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Re: Does "Hell" Really Exist Or It Was Invented By Religion? by Dtruthspeaker: 3:51pm On Jan 13, 2022

advanceDNA:
Since the beginning of time, scaring people with an imaginary or unseen punishment has never stopped people from doing wrong...

people have always done evil.....so ur assumption is a bit on the side of fallacy..

Exactly as the presence of death (capital punishment) does not stop people doing the evil they planned on doing.

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Re: Does "Hell" Really Exist Or It Was Invented By Religion? by Dtruthspeaker: 4:07pm On Jan 13, 2022

LordReed:
I didn't mention creator in this dialogue. The question was can you be good without believing in hell. Many people believe in your god but not hell so are you of the opinion that such people cannot be good?

Man can no longer be all good for by his parental defect, he comes with evil in his soul Exactly as the Bible showed.

And that is why no man is Holy for holy is a person who is all good and who will do good with and without punishment of any kind.

Re: Does "Hell" Really Exist Or It Was Invented By Religion? by LordReed(m): 4:15pm On Jan 13, 2022

Dtruthspeaker:
Man can no longer be all good for by his parental defect, he comes with evil in his soul Exactly as the Bible showed.

And that is why no man is Holy for holy is a person who is all good and who will do good with and without punishment of any kind.

"All good" is only applicable to your mythical god, it is not a quality we look for in real humans.

Re: Does "Hell" Really Exist Or It Was Invented By Religion? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:22pm On Jan 13, 2022

LordReed:
"All good" is only applicable to your mythical god, it is not a quality we look for in real humans.

The problem is how humans define GOOD and how God defines it.
From the way Jesus lived his life everyone will say Jesus is good, but he himself said:
“Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except one, God" Luke 18:18

From Jesus' comment the word GOOD has a deeper meaning that the way humans view it! undecided

Re: Does "Hell" Really Exist Or It Was Invented By Religion? by Horus(m): 4:24pm On Jan 13, 2022

cornelboy:
There are a lot of reasons to believe that hell (a place of suffering after death) doesn't exist:
° in the old testament (OT) God never warned the children of Israel bout any possibility of suffering after death. He didn't mention hell to any of the patriarchs and prophets rather God gave them physical punishment.
When did the penalty of sin changed from death to hell fire?

° if hell is really a place of punishment to warn people about, why didn't Paul, Peter and other apostles emphasize on it? Why didn't they mention it in their Epistles or book of Acts?

°Hell fire is one of Roman Catholic dogmas.... probably invented to coerce people to convert to Christianity and increase church revenue

The concept of hell and a devil with a pitchfork standing in front of an open furnace, are all things put in your minds by religious leaders for their own personal monetary gain. The more you believe in their concept of hell, the more frightened you become and the more you will pay with money for the religious leaders to forgive your sins and redeem your souls

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Re: Does "Hell" Really Exist Or It Was Invented By Religion? by Dtruthspeaker: 4:28pm On Jan 13, 2022

LordReed:
"All good" is only applicable to your mythical god, it is not a quality we look for in real humans.

That's why we Christians are different. WE KNOW WE SHOULD HEAD THERE for it was our Original out of Factory Settings and Configuration!

Re: Does "Hell" Really Exist Or It Was Invented By Religion? by Image123(m): 4:52pm On Jan 13, 2022

LordReed:
So you think the only reason to behave well is because of belief in hell?

Did he mention ONLY?

Re: Does "Hell" Really Exist Or It Was Invented By Religion? by LordReed(m): 4:52pm On Jan 13, 2022

Dtruthspeaker:
That's why we Christians are different. WE KNOW WE SHOULD HEAD THERE for it was our Original out of Factory Settings and Configuration!

You've been heading there for 1960+ years without reaching there.

Re: Does "Hell" Really Exist Or It Was Invented By Religion? by LordReed(m): 4:53pm On Jan 13, 2022

Image123:
Did he mention ONLY?

I asked a question.

Re: Does "Hell" Really Exist Or It Was Invented By Religion? by LordReed(m): 4:54pm On Jan 13, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
The problem is how humans define GOOD and how God defines it.
From the way Jesus lived his life everyone will say Jesus is good, but he himself said:
“Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except one, God" Luke 18:18

From Jesus' comment the word GOOD has a deeper meaning that the way humans view it!

Yeah sure, that's why "all good" only applies to mythical beings.

Re: Does "Hell" Really Exist Or It Was Invented By Religion? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:56pm On Jan 13, 2022

LordReed:
Yeah sure, that's why "all good" only applies to mythical beings.

If you asked a misinformed churchgoer what Jesus meant by that statement they will just get the whole thing more complicated that's why i don't believe they know anything about Jesus! undecided

Re: Does "Hell" Really Exist Or It Was Invented By Religion? by Image123(m): 4:57pm On Jan 13, 2022

LordReed:
I asked a question.

It's a needless question. People make decisions every day based on either reward or consequences. There are people who are motivated either way.

Re: Does "Hell" Really Exist Or It Was Invented By Religion? by LordReed(m): 5:12pm On Jan 13, 2022

Image123:
It's a needless question. People make decisions every day based on either reward or consequences. There are people who are motivated either way.

Your opinion. My conversation with them has achieved it's purpose.

Re: Does "Hell" Really Exist Or It Was Invented By Religion? by LordReed(m): 5:13pm On Jan 13, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
If you asked a misinformed churchgoer what Jesus meant by that statement they will just get the whole thing more complicated that's why i don't believe they know anything about Jesus!

Ok.

Re: Does "Hell" Really Exist Or It Was Invented By Religion? by Niflheim(m): 6:08pm On Jan 13, 2022

Depends on which HELL we are talking about.

HINDU MYTHOLOGY: 28 hells(fictional)

SCANDINAVIAN MYTHOLOGY: 2 hells(non existent)

BIBLE: 1 hell(imaginary)

JEHOVAH'S WITNESS: 1 hell(real, a place where they will deny a woman life saving blood transfusion and watch her die)

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Re: Does "Hell" Really Exist Or It Was Invented By Religion? by Image123(m): 7:00pm On Jan 13, 2022

LordReed:
Your opinion. My conversation with them has achieved it's purpose.

Of course.

Re: Does "Hell" Really Exist Or It Was Invented By Religion? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:01pm On Jan 13, 2022

LordReed:
You've been heading there for 1960+ years without reaching there.

1) First, you can not say I have not reached there because you are not The Judge at the Reach Finish Line. grin

2) It is my journey and I sure did enjoy my trip, so you have no say in it grin

Re: Does "Hell" Really Exist Or It Was Invented By Religion? by LordReed(m): 7:34pm On Jan 13, 2022

Dtruthspeaker:
1) First, you can not say I have not reached there because you are not The Judge at the Reach Finish Line.

2) It is my journey and I sure did enjoy my trip, so you have no say in it

Please lie that you are "all good". LoL

BTW the you was referring to the whole of Christianity not you personally.

Re: Does "Hell" Really Exist Or It Was Invented By Religion? by cornelboy(op): 1:27am On Jan 14, 2022

Horus:
The concept of hell and a devil with a pitchfork standing in front of an open furnace, are all things put in your minds by religious leaders for their own personal monetary gain. The more you believe in their concept of hell, the more frightened you become and the more you will pay with money for the religious leaders to forgive your sins and redeem your souls

you no lie bro

Re: Does "Hell" Really Exist Or It Was Invented By Religion? by cornelboy(op): 1:33am On Jan 14, 2022

AllahIsSatan:
You'll find out eventually. Just hope that it won't be too late for you by then.

Not believing in hell fire doesn't stop me from doing good or not believing in the one true God YHWH and Jesus Christ whom He sent as the messiah. It's essential to know both of them for our salvation.

Re: Does "Hell" Really Exist Or It Was Invented By Religion? by cornelboy(op): 1:41am On Jan 14, 2022

Kobojunkie:
■ Eternal damnation(aka Hell) is of God's New Covenant (Jesus Christ) and not of His Old Covenant (YHWH)

■ The epistles where written by the apostles as their individual digest of the Gospel and not as a replacement to the Gospel, God's Truth, which Jesus Christ delivered to you.

■ Jesus Christ Himself warned you severally of eternal damnation (Hell) being the final end of those who in the Kingdom of God who refuse to obey Him.

lol you mean hell was created when Christ came and it's of the new covenant? Your wrong my brother.
The word Jesus use in those verses wasn't hell but rather Gehenna in Greek which describes a place just outside Jerusalem where carcasses and refuses are dumped and dumped

[color=#000000] perhaps this Isaiah verse will give you some insight
Isaiah 66:24
[24]And as they go out, they will see
    the >>dead bodies<< of those who have rebelled against me.
>>For the worms that devour them will never die, <<
   >> and the fire that burns them will never go out. <<
All who pass by
    will view them with utter horror.”[/color]

Also Gehenna is parallel to lake of fire mentioned in the book of revelations

Re: Does "Hell" Really Exist Or It Was Invented By Religion? by Kobojunkie: 1:51am On Jan 14, 2022

cornelboy post=1093499971. [color=#006600:
lol you mean hell was created when Christ came and it's of the new covenant? Your wrong my brother. [/color]
The word Jesus use in those verses wasn't hell but rather Gehenna in Greek which describes a place just outside Jerusalem where carcasses and refuses are dumped and dumped

2. [color=#000000] perhaps this Isaiah verse will give you some insight Isaiah 66:24. [24]And as they go out, they will see
    the >>dead bodies<< of those who have rebelled against me.
>>For the worms that devour them will never die, <<
   >> and the fire that burns them will never go out. <<
All who pass by
    will view them with utter horror.”[/color]

3. Also Gehenna is parallel to lake of fire mentioned in the book of revelations

1. I never said anything about Hell being created when Jesus Christ showed up, so I am not certain whose comment you got that idea from since it ain't mine. undecided

Instead, Jesus Christ came to you offering the Kingdom of God inside of which eternal reward(typically referred to as Heaven) and eternal damnation(typically referred to as Hell) both reside. Jesus Christ neither used the Greek words you mentioned to reference these locations in His Kingdom in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 where He proclaimed their existence. undecided

2. The verse in Isaiah does not change any of what Jesus Christ made clear of the place of eternal damnation (typically referred to as Hell of the New Covenant) in His teachings . undecided

3. The Lake of Fire is a reference made by John to the place of eternal damnation which Jesus Christ pointed in His teachings- Matthew 25 vs 41 - 46 undecided

Re: Does "Hell" Really Exist Or It Was Invented By Religion? by cornelboy(op): 1:54am On Jan 14, 2022

Dtruthspeaker:
If you look carefully, also you would see that it is only in what you wrongly call old testament that He said "He would heal the land".

It is not for nought we sing He is the Unchangeable Change

They did!
2 Peter 3:7. Jude verse 3. Hebrews10:28-29.

Jude 1:3
[3]Dear friends, I had been eagerly planning to write to you about the salvation we all share. But now I find that I must write about something else, urging you to defend the faith that God has entrusted once for all time to his holy people.
what's your point here

Nothing also in Hebrew 10:28-29
But verse 27 says:
Hebrews 10:27
[27]There is only the terrible expectation of God’s judgment and the raging fire that will consume his enemies.

Lemme ask you a question, when fire consumes something, won't it burn it out completely?

2 Peter 3:7
[7]And by the same word, the present heavens and earth have been stored up for fire. They are being kept for the day of judgment, when ungodly people will be destroyed.
They will be destroyed not burn forever.
There's not even mention of hell in the verse you gave
I used New living translation...

Re: Does "Hell" Really Exist Or It Was Invented By Religion? by cornelboy(op): 2:05am On Jan 14, 2022

Ihuomanice1:
Read Revelation 22 verse 1-end

Una still never understand?
Revelation 20:13-15
[13]The sea gave up its dead, and death and the grave gave up their dead. And all were judged according to their deeds.
[14]Then >>death<< and >> hell (grave)<< were thrown into >>the lake of fire<<. This lake of fire is the second death.
[15]>>And anyone whose name was not found recorded in the Book of Life<< was thrown into the >>lake of fire<<.

Really you guys literally believe that death and grave or hell too will burn inside lake of fire? No!
The lake of fire symbolically represents eternal destruction. Like death and hell will be no more!
This thing no hard to comprehend na

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Re: Does "Hell" Really Exist Or It Was Invented By Religion? by cornelboy(op): 2:10am On Jan 14, 2022

advanceDNA:
What’s your point...??
No punishment after death??
Do as you like??

No the purpose of salvation is not to burn in hell but to have eternal life.
The wicked won't burn in hell as well but rather they will be destroyed forever
Hell was invented by roman Catholic church o

Re: Does "Hell" Really Exist Or It Was Invented By Religion? by cornelboy(op): 2:14am On Jan 14, 2022

Jokerman:
Lake of fire exist.

The torment there is what is described as "Hell"

Lake of fire is symbolic not literal man.

Revelation 20:14
[14]Then death and hell (grave) were thrown into the lake of fire. This lake of fire is the second death.

Death and hell no fit burn na. But they will be no more. They will be eternally destroyed.

Re: Does "Hell" Really Exist Or It Was Invented By Religion? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:43am On Jan 14, 2022

cornelboy:
Jude 1:3
[3]Dear friends, I had been eagerly planning to write to you about the salvation we all share. But now I find that I must write about something else, urging you to defend the faith that God has entrusted once for all time to his holy people.
what's your point here

Jude verse 23, I missed typing "2" in "23".
"And others, save with fear, pulling them out of the Fire;" which fire?

cornelboy:
Nothing also in Hebrew 10:28-29
But verse 27 says:
Hebrews 10:27
[27]There is only the terrible expectation of God’s judgment and the raging fire that will consume his enemies.

Lemme ask you a question, when fire consumes something, won't it burn it out completely?

That's not the question, you asked. So now you are changing post!

And thank God you saw "raging fire that will consume" which was in answer to the question you asked.

And without going much into this, do you real-eyes that you are talking about God and His Power?

Do you think that if God says "you shall die forever, do you think there would be an end to your dying?

Is it not that men sink in the sea? yet The Lord made Peter walk with Him upon it

Fear God O! Whatever He says He will Do, WILL CERTAINLY BE DONE!

cornelboy:
...There's not even mention of hell in the verse you gave
I used New living translation...

Oh, I believe that you were referring to hell as the worsest thing that can destroy a man which people call hell fire or hell for short which is also known as the lake of fire, which is what I responded to.

But if you are looking for hell, the little small one that is not a good place to be, then the Warning of Jesus Christ about it in Mathew 10:28 should be sufficient.

Re: Does "Hell" Really Exist Or It Was Invented By Religion? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:49am On Jan 14, 2022*

LordReed:
Please lie that you are "all good". LoL..

You are still not The Judge so I have no duty whatsoever to answer you. grin

No Road as Always! grin

Re: Does "Hell" Really Exist Or It Was Invented By Religion? by Barristter07: 10:01am On Jan 14, 2022

Kobojunkie:
■ Eternal damnation(aka Hell) is of God's New Covenant (Jesus Christ) and not of His Old Covenant (YHWH)

■ The epistles where written by the apostles as their individual digest of the Gospel and not as a replacement to the Gospel, God's Truth, which Jesus Christ delivered to you.

■ Jesus Christ Himself warned you severally of eternal damnation (Hell) being the final end of those who in the Kingdom of God who refuse to obey Him.

Provide proof.