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Barristter07:
Whatever happen to the Beast , happen to Devil and his people. So it's of real concern. Unless you want to tell me you don't believe in revelation 20:10

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ told you that the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches) are lies, an abomination where the Truth of God is concerned.

So your claim is not simply bullsheet but also an admission of sorts that you no longer believe in God and His Truth, Jesus Christ.

Kobojunkie:
1. Where exactly do you have Jesus Christ making this claim of yours to restore the earth back to the initial purpose of God?

2. You don't believe God when He says He will put new Spirit in those who belong to Him - Ezekiel 36 vs 26 - and you don't believe Jesus Christ when He declared that all those who will enter into the Kingdom of God will have to first become born-again(a birth of the Spirit kind) - John 3 vs 1 - 8 ?

3. So you are saying here that you don't believe what Jesus Christ Himself taught His disciples would take place when He returns - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 ? This Truth of God is lie to you?

4. So it never occurred to you that Jesus Christ's own disciples were Israelites and and the 120 who where there on the day of Pentecost representated, you guessed it, Israel?

You need to be careful what delusions you cling to. Jesus Christ told you that Israel (Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) will be there at the table in His Kingdom, along with those from the Gentile nations. God Is a faithful God and His Covenant with Israel is an everlasting thing.

All the righteous men of Old, will all of them, be offered a chance to sit at God's table in His Kingdom. If you think for one second that the musings of some group can change that, then all you do is reveal you don't believe in God But in the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches).

Kobojunkie:
1. Where exactly do you have Jesus Christ making this claim of yours to restore the earth back to the initial purpose of God?

2. You don't believe God when He says He will put new Spirit in those who belong to Him - Ezekiel 36 vs 26 - and you don't believe Jesus Christ when He declared that all those who will enter into the Kingdom of God will have to first become born-again(a birth of the Spirit kind) - John 3 vs 1 - 8 ?

3. So you are saying here that you don't believe what Jesus Christ Himself taught His disciples would take place when He returns - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 ? This Truth of God is lie to you?

4. So it never occurred to you that Jesus Christ's own disciples were Israelites and and the 120 who where there on the day of Pentecost representated, you guessed it, Israel?

You need to be careful what delusions you cling to. Jesus Christ told you that Israel (Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) will be there at the table in His Kingdom, along with those from the Gentile nations. God Is a faithful God and His Covenant with Israel is an everlasting thing.

All the righteous men of Old, will all of them, be offered a chance to sit at God's table in His Kingdom. If you think for one second that the musings of some group can change that, then all you do is reveal you don't believe in God But in the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches).

Kobojunkie:
1. Where exactly do you have Jesus Christ making this claim of yours to restore the earth back to the initial purpose of God?
John 5:28-29
"[28]Don’t be so surprised! Indeed, the time is coming when all the dead in their graves will hear the voice of God’s Son,
[29]and they will rise again. Those who have done good will rise to experience eternal life, and those who have continued in evil will rise to experience judgment."
Where will those that have done good experience eternal life heaven or new earth paradise?
29The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it.

Did Jesus promise that every believer will inherit the kingdom of God?

2. You don't believe God when He says He will put new Spirit in those who belong to Him - Ezekiel 36 vs 26 - and you don't believe Jesus Christ when He declared that all those who will enter into the Kingdom of God will have to first become born-again(a birth of the Spirit kind) - John 3 vs 1 - 8 ?

Revelation 5:9, 10
9And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, for you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought people for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,10and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.”
If every righteous and good people goes to heaven who will they rule over on earth?

Revelation 14:1-4
14Then I saw, and look! the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who have his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads.2I heard a sound coming out of heaven like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder; and the sound that I heard was like singers who accompany themselves by playing on their harps.3And they are singing what seems to be a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders, and no one was able to master that song except the 144,000, who have been bought from the earth.4These are the ones who did not defile themselves with women; in fact, they are virgins. These are the ones who keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes. These were bought from among mankind as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb,
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Bro actually you still have a lot to learn, go study and see these truths yourself. The 144000 are only the ones that will be resurrected to God's kingdom.
The rest of us remains in our grave unconscious till Jesus comes back and we'll be resurrected

3. So you are saying here that you don't believe what Jesus Christ Himself taught His disciples would take place when He returns - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 ? This Truth of God is lie to you?

Matthew 25:46
[46]“And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life
Romans 6:23
[23]For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord.
The punishment of sin is death not suffering in hell after death or judgement.

4. So it never occurred to you that Jesus Christ's own disciples were Israelites and and the 120 who where there on the day of Pentecost representated, you guessed it, Israel?

You need to be careful what delusions you cling to. Jesus Christ told you that Israel (Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) will be there at the table in His Kingdom, along with those from the Gentile nations. God Is a faithful God and His Covenant with Israel is an everlasting thing.

All the righteous men of Old, will all of them, be offered a chance to sit at God's table in His Kingdom. If you think for one second that the musings of some group can change that, then all you do is reveal you don't believe in God But in the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches).

cornelboy:
I presume you understand now that the people of old you talk about are still in the grave and the will be raised up when the king comes back. John 5:28-28.
Also the 144000 are not just Israelites but people from every race. Revelations 14:1-4

Niflheim:
Depends on which HELL we are talking about.

HINDU MYTHOLOGY: 28 hells(fictional)

SCANDINAVIAN MYTHOLOGY: 2 hells(non existent)

BIBLE: 1 hell(imaginary)

JEHOVAH'S WITNESS: 1 hell(real, a place where they will deny a woman life saving blood transfusion and watch her die)

cornelboy:
Jehovah witnesses don't believe in any form of hell. Who tell you this one.
But it's true they don't engage in blood transfusion and it's biblical.

Abeg make ona confirm something before spreading rumors.

cornelboy:
There are a lot of reasons to believe that hell (a place of suffering after death) doesn't exist:
° in the old testament (OT) God never warned the children of Israel bout any possibility of suffering after death. He didn't mention hell to any of the patriarchs and prophets rather God gave them physical punishment.
When did the penalty of sin changed from death to hell fire?

° if hell is really a place of punishment to warn people about, why didn't Paul, Peter and other apostles emphasize on it? Why didn't they mention it in their Epistles or book of Acts?

°Hell fire is one of Roman Catholic dogmas.... probably invented to coerce people to convert to Christianity and increase church revenue

Hismasterpiece:
Read this post https://www.nairaland.com/6711638/very-false-christian-belief-afterlife i hope it helps

Hismasterpiece:
Read this post https://www.nairaland.com/6711638/very-false-christian-belief-afterlife i hope it helps

Kobojunkie:
The statement in bold is not biblical. Blood transfusions didn't were very much a novel idea even during the time of the Old Testament people.

cornelboy:

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God’s View of Blood
Blood is vital. Without it, none of us could live. As the Creator, God has the right to say how blood may be used. What has he said about blood? Can it be eaten or transfused? And how can you make good decisions on this matter?
1. What is Jehovah’s view of blood?Jehovah told his worshippers in Bible times: “The life of every sort of flesh is its blood.” (Leviticus 17:14) To Jehovah, blood represents life. Since life is a sacred, or holy, gift from God, blood is also sacred.
2. What use of blood does God forbid?Jehovah commanded his pre-Christian worshippers not to eat blood. (Read Genesis 9:4 and Leviticus 17:10.) He confirmed this command when the governing body instructed Christians to “keep abstaining . . . from blood.”​—Read Acts 15:28, 29.What does it mean to abstain from blood? If a doctor told you to abstain from alcohol, you would not drink it. But would you eat foods that contained it or have alcohol injected into your veins? Obviously not. Likewise, God’s command to abstain from blood means that we should not drink blood or eat meat that has not been bled. Nor should we eat any food to which blood has been added.
What about the medical use of blood? Some procedures clearly violate God’s law. These include the transfusion of whole blood or any of its main components​—red cells, white cells, platelets, and plasma. Other medical procedures may not be a clear-cut violation of God’s law. For example, some procedures involve the use of fractions of one of the main components of blood. Other procedures involve the use of a person’s own blood. When weighing these options, each of us must make a personal decision.​—Galatians 6:5.

To all the non-Jewish brothers in the city of Antioch and in the countries of Syria and Cilicia.

Kobojunkie:
1. God only said the life is in the blood.... he never said blood is sacred.

But God commanded them not to eat blood. Taking blood into our via any means (eating, transfusing or drinking) violates God's law.

2a.
. God’s law as given in the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy applies only to those who have the blood of Jacob coursing through their veins - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20. You, a gentile have absolutely no right or claim to anything that is of that law, unless ofcourse the delusion is strong with you and you somehow believe God to be incompetent on some level.

I never said God approves blood transfusion. Every christian be it Jews or gentiles are more under the law.
What are you proving bro?

2b. Where God said "do nor eat", He meant "do not eat" - as in ingest and then pass out in faeces, the byproducts of eating human blood - so your claim that your blood transfusions are biblical is false, unless again, the delusion is strong with you and believe God to be incompetent on some level.

Don't you read my posts everything i have been saying is that eating blood or transfusing it or drinking it or taking it into the body via any means violates God law.

2c. Jesus Christ, God's New Law extended to Gentiles,instead decreed that in the Kingdom of God, it isn't what you eat that makes you unclean, essentially making it OK for His followers to eat just about anything edible, including blood. So, unless again, the delusion is strong with you and you believe God to be incompetent on some level, you would.understand that the New Law is what your life ought to be based on as one who claims to belong to the Kingdom of God, and not of Canaaan.

Lol so na blood you wan de eat now. Actually at the end of the post, i said " it all comes to personal choice". If you like eat blood or inject am into your body na you own wahala be that. But for me i won't eat it.

2d. God cannot contradict His own Truth, and no human has authority to change that which God has decreed in His Law.

Yes God commanded us not to eat blood. You can't change it for me. Lol.

Knowing this, and considering the volatile relations between the Jews of the time and nonJews, what the disciples did in Acts 15, was prescribe some of the same laws God had given to the foreigners among His people of the Old Covenant, to help Christians living in the region coexist in peace with their majority Jewish neighbors of the time.
If you had infact read and digested Acts 15 by yourself, you would have maybe easily figured this out on your own. The ruling was clearly meant for those who lived in the indicated area, and not for those who lived outside of the zone.

But since it seems the delusion is strong with you, you let others process what is written while you consume what is their vomit at the end of it all.

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Jesus Christ is God's Law in the Kingdom of God and the only agreement by which God has welcomed all of us Gentiles to Him through. If you chose instead to bow to other masters , then surely you know that what you cling to is not of God but of the prescriptions of men.

cornelboy:
1. The emphasis i added is to show that the 144000 are not just Israelites but from saints all over the world.
Did you also notice that the 144000 are in heaven with Jesus. Therefore it's logical to say they resurrected with a different body like Jesus before they could be in heaven. "For flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of God".

2. You see that the 144000 are those Jesus promised that they will be with him in his kingdom. And before entering the kingdom they would be born or baptized by the holy spirit.
Note that only born agains are qualified for God's kingdom but not all of them will be choosen cos only 144000 are needed.

cornelboy:
Your points are contradicting and that shows how confused you are.

Kobojunkie:
1. Nothing of what is written in Revelations 14 vs 1 - 4 says any of what you claim of the 144,000 not being of Israel. According to Jesus Christ, those who belong to Him of Israel - those who are sealed - with rule with Him over the rest of Israel for a millenia so it is not illogical at all to realize that they be with Him where He is to do so. There resurrection does not change what Jesus Christ said of them.

2. Neither does Revelation 5 vs 9 - 10 agree with your assertion. The song instead speaks of all the Poeple(Jews and Gentiles combined) who were saved by the sacrifice made by Jesus Christ, not John's list of 144,000 who are, again, only jews.

As for born-agains, even those who will end up in the place of eternal damnation are born-again and they come from, all tribes of the earth. So that group does not help you in any way or form.

Kobojunkie:
Why not point out the supposed contradiction then? I definitely want to see how you find the Word of God Himself contradictory.

cornelboy:
1. What did Jesus mean when he said in his model prayer "let your kingdom come", "let your will be done on earth"?
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2. When was this Kingdom (God's kingdom) created or when will it be created?
3. Who are those that will rule with Jesus as kings?
Are they only Israel? What bout the gentiles that served God with their life?
4. Didn't revelation 5:9-10 show that people bought by Jesus blood are made priests and kings ?

5. Didn't revelation 14:1-4 also suggest to you that the 144000 are the ones bought from mankind, from the earth to be kings?
Are these things hard to comprehend?

6. Aside the 144000 which other people will enter God's kingdom? Is there any?

7. God purpose for man was to have dominion over the earth and multiply and live eternally on earth.
Has God's plan for man changed?
Does eternal life means a life in heaven?

8. Psalm 37:29
Will this verse come true or God was lying?
Psalm 37:11 KJV.

cornelboy:
There's no point doing that bro. Just read your comments yourself.

Kobojunkie:
One thing I avoided doing in my comment to you is attempt in any way to insert my personal delusions in to what is clearly written and expressed in scripture. Again, if you have any actual evidence of a contradiction, I challenge you to make it known or acknowledge you have no evidence to offer.

cornelboy:
Are you saying abstaining blood transfusion is evil or a sin?
I told you it's personal choice bro.
If you like you can eat blood.

Kobojunkie:
Sin is as defined in God's Law and nowhere in all 613 commandments of the Old Covenant, neither in all the almost 100 commandments of the New Covenant, did God decree blood transfusions a sin. There is nothing evil or sinful about blood transfusions and there is also nothing holy/sacred of your blood.

And what is stated here is not a personal belief but of scripture.

The point is if God commanded us against eating blood in any form, do you think he will accept injecting blood into our body?
I have told you many times, it's personal choice. If you like eat blood or have blood transfused into you

Kobojunkie:
Sin is as defined in God's Law and nowhere in all 613 commandments of the Old Covenant, neither in all the almost 100 commandments of the New Covenant, did God decree blood transfusions a sin. There is nothing evil or sinful about blood transfusions and there is also nothing holy/sacred of your blood.

And what is stated here is not a personal belief but of scripture.

cornelboy:
1. The point is if God commanded us against eating blood in any form, do you think he will accept injecting blood into our body?

2. I have told you many times, it's personal choice. If you like eat blood or have blood transfused into you

cornelboy:
1. Bro must you comment on peoples post? If you need to won't you read well before responding? What are you arguing over, what's your point?

2. I only asked if abstaining from any form blood intakes to body like blood transfusion is a sin or evil practice by the Jehovah witnesses. But check your response, you were saying another thing entirely.

Kobojunkie:
1. Argue? I am here to proclaim the Truth of Jesus Christ.

2. It is antiChrist to follow the doctrines and commandments of men in the name of God. It is sin to add commandments of any kind to God's Law. So, yes, what the JW do is sin against God, and thus evil in the sight of God.

cornelboy:
1. When did God's sight turn to your sight?
Pls for the last time go and proclaim elsewhere. You get problem o aswear.

2. We say we no want blood transfusion, no be by force na.
Abi blood transfusion don de part of the tem commandments.
Abeg leave this page alone you are unwanted. I'm serious.

Kobojunkie:
My advice is for you to go and study more.
Isaiah 9:6 says "a government will be on Jesus shoulder".
What did Jesus mean when he said in his model prayer "let your kingdom come", "let your will be done on earth"?

Daniel 2 .....interpretation of Nebuchadnezzar's dream

44“In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever, 45 just as you saw that out of the mountain a stone was cut not by hands, and that it crushed the iron, the copper, the clay, the silver, and the gold. The Grand God has made known to the king what will happen in the future. The dream is true, and its interpretation is trustworthy.”

When was this Kingdom (God's kingdom) created or when will it be created?
Who are those that will rule with Jesus as kings?
Are they only Israel? What bout the gentiles that served God with their life?

Didn't revelation 5:9-10 show that people bought by Jesus blood are made priests and kings ?
Didn't revelation 14:1-4 also suggest to you that the 144000 are the ones bought from mankind, from the earth to be kings?
Are these things hard to comprehend?
Aside the 144000 which other people will enter God's kingdom? Is there any?


God purpose for man was to have dominion over the earth and multiply and live eternally on earth.
Has God's plan for man changed?
Does eternal life means a life in heaven?

Psalm 37:29
29The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it.

Will this verse come true or God was lying?

Psalm 37:11 KJV
But the meek shall inherit the earth, And shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.

I believe that when the kingdom of God comes to earth and restores everything, everyone on earth then will live eternally in abundance of peace, no more evil death sickness or pain...

cornelboy:
Where your comment on this?

cornelboy:
1. What did Jesus mean when he said in his model prayer "let your kingdom come", "let your will be done on earth"?
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2. When was this Kingdom (God's kingdom) created or when will it be created?
3. Who are those that will rule with Jesus as kings?
Are they only Israel? What bout the gentiles that served God with their life?
4. Didn't revelation 5:9-10 show that people bought by Jesus blood are made priests and kings ?

5. Didn't revelation 14:1-4 also suggest to you that the 144000 are the ones bought from mankind, from the earth to be kings?
Are these things hard to comprehend?

6. Aside the 144000 which other people will enter God's kingdom? Is there any?

7. God purpose for man was to have dominion over the earth and multiply and live eternally on earth.
Has God's plan for man changed?
Does eternal life means a life in heaven?

8. Psalm 37:29
Will this verse come true or God was lying?
Psalm 37:11 KJV.

Kobojunkie:
1. The Kingdom of God didn't exist to men before Jesus Christ, God's New Covenant agreement, was revealed to men. So, thy Kingdom come makes reference to the fact that men now have access to the Kingdom of God through Jesus Christ. I don't understand why you need to convolute that simple detail.

2. It doesn't matter to me when it was created... what matters instead is when God granted access to the Kingdom to men, this happened when Jesus Christ died.

3. According to Jesus Christ, in Matthew 19 vs 28, upon His return, those who will be ruled over are those who belong to the 12 tribes of Israel, and this by His followers.

4. All of the righteous are heirs of the Kingdom of God and yes we are all of us called as prophets and priests in the New Covenant - We preach the New Covenant and we baptize those who are saved in His name. But we are not become Israelites nor are we made a part of John's list of 144,000 as a result of being kings and priests.

5. The 144,000, established by John, refers to John's list and that list has been clearly defined as consisting only of those who are sealed by God of the 12 tribes of Israel of His New Covenant. So everywhere where that list is referenced, the core detail remains the same. When you realize this,you would see how Revelations 14 vs 1 - 4 says absolutely nothing of what you claim.

Ofcourse, John's list aren't made up of Aliens but humans who are of the 12 tribes of Israel to rule over those of the 12 tribes - Matthew 19 vs 28

6. Possibly some of the jews they will rule over will also enter into God's Kingdom at the end, along with Gentiles.

7. God never said His purpose for mankind was an eternal purpose, so let's stop injecting our delusions in this. What we instead know is that God created man, a mortal being from his birth and put him to work as steward of this here earth.

God's plan was for men to rule over the earth - that is a part of God's promise in His eternal Covenant to those of the blood of Israel- Forever in the land of Israel - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20.

Then God sent Jesus Christ to reward men with a Kingdom not of this world - the Kingdom of God. Eternal life which belongs to both those of the Old Covenant, and also those of the New Covenant, will be spent where God has promised. For those of us in God's New Covenant, Jesus Christ makes clear what awaits us in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46

8. For explanation of what is written in Psalm 37 vs 29 and Psalm 37 vs 11, visit again God's Old Covenant promise to those of the blood of Jacob coursing through their veins in Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20. The author of Psalm 37 was simply echoing God's promise His people isreal.