TheRealestGuy:


The average Igbo man goes about his business and respects the indigenes of the land. He goes about adding value to any society where he finds himself and also assimilate as much as possible.

The Igbos who do what you said are idiots and not a significant number when you compare to the ones who don't.

So I maintain that it is not a good enough reason to perpetually refrain Igbos from steering the affairs of a country where they are a major ethnic group (one of 4 or 5).

No one is perpetually refraining anyone
You have every right to CONTEST
You have a right to ask a woman to marry you and


She has a right to choose someone else

What is so difficult to understand about that

Randerl:
This WEEK, Good 5 days Monday to Friday is Sit-at-Home in the South East.

We dont want that to happen at the national using the security architecture to enforce a federal Sit@Home policy.

my brother making an Igbo a Nigeria president is a very dangerous adventure we can't even imagine at the moment. Considering what is happening in South East. Regarding this their Biafra and sit at home saga.

SINCE 2015, YORUBA HAVE OCCUPIED VP, SPEAKER HOUSE OF REPS, CHIEF OF DEFENCE STAFF AND VARIOUS OTHER GOVERNMENT APPOINTMENT UNDER BUHARI.



YORUBA PRODUCE PRESIDENT IN 1999 UNTIL 2007.



YET, WE HAVE NOT HEARD ONE COMPLAIN FROM THE IGBOS.




NOW COMPARE TO YORUBA COMPLAIN THAT FOLLOWED GEJ PRESIDENCY ABOUT APPOINTMENT GIVEN TO IGBOS.

TheRealestGuy:


Fair enough.

But remember that if the lopsidedness continues, the cow that you're milking can be targeted and its udder cut off (using wicked policies).

Cheers anyways.

Lmao the more they cut it the more independent Igbo nation become ...win win no matter what

Which policy can they do ..we can shift from production to importing smoothly ask erisco ...sha dangote tomatoes never die ...u can't fight Igbo man n win ...

Ibeto is coming back strong he just rearranging his production capacity ...his wealth stored abroad ...what can dey do now
.. nothing

I will be ignoring the few assholes who came here with hate and bile in their hearts.

If you have good reasons or fears please engage in a civil manner and let's discuss.

sirp9898:

Whether it is u or not start the campaign against insults in nairaland and Nigeria

You should try a career in comedy.

TheRealestGuy:
I ask this question cos it is bewildering and quite shocking to see the reactions of a lot of Nigerians whenever the question of an Igbo presidency is brought up.

Bear in mind that historically, Igbos have voted for a Yoruba man for presidency (Obasanjo in '99 & '03), an Ijaw man (GEJ in '11) as well as twice for core Fulani men (Yar'adua and Atiku). Therefore, any accusations of hate of other tribes by Igbos is laughable and obviously untrue.

Furthermore, Igbos can arguably be said to be the most integrated ethnic group in Nigeria since there's no LGA or Town in the country where you won't find a sizable number Igbo people most likely engaging in business, paying taxes and adding their quota to the economic and social development of the state.

Now I know the issue of the 1966 coup might come up but remember that this was a military affair which cannot be blamed on the average Igbo man and that the coup plotters weren't solely of Igbo origin. Also, those involved in the coup have written several books as to the reason why it was carried out (e.g. Why We Struck by Col. Ademoyega) hence, ruling out any idea that it was an ethnic cleansing.

Finally, it is on record that an Igbo officer was the one who foiled the coup and arrested the officers involved (even though he could have handled it much better by meting out justice asap). Also, if the 1966 coup were to be the reason for the irrational distrust, haven't Igbos paid the more than enough price for Nzeoguwo and Co's mistakes?

Last thing I can think of is that they are afraid that an Igbo president will push for referendum to be reinserted into the constitution. Question is how is that a negative thing? Remember that the right to self determination is something that every progressive country should have and in a democracy, all discussions no matter how sensitive must be allowed as that is how a democracy matures - it is tested continuously.

EDIT: Issues of being boastful and denigrating to other Nigerians in towns and cities where Igbos conduct their businesses have come up. While I agree that the average Igbo man's big ego is a weakness that can cause him to be disliked by others, I do not believe it is a cogent enough reason to perpetually refuse to give them a chance at steering the affairs of a country where they form one of the major ethnic groups.


So I'm asking directly - If you're one of those vehemently opposing the idea of an Igbo president, can you give a good/cogent reason for this decision?

I think there is a massive sense of victimhood among the Igbos. Everything is about people 'doing something to them' The simple truth is there is nothing remarkable about the fact that an Igbo person has not yet won the presidential election in NIgeria since 1999. If we look at from the angle of the 6 geo political zones, it is not only the SE that have not produced a president, the same is the case for the NC and NE.

The SW took a strategic choice to align with the SW and it paid off for them. The SE did the same and aligned with the NE in 2019 but it did not pay off. If Atiku and Peter Obi had won in 2019, the SE would not be complaning today. Politics is a zero sum game, you win or you loose. The Igbo should stop taking it personal, stop being emotional and instead look to build the right aliances that will get them what they want.

We cannot pretend that this did not happen

https://www.nairaland.com/745731/yoruba-marginalization-elders-met-jonathan

Lets put it this way.

Do you know how most Ghanaian feel about Nigeria.

How South African feel about Nigeria.?

It's all because of the Igbos.

An average Igbo man is a winner
Dominant without boundaries
Money maker
Must excell


All these attract Envy

aribisala0:
We cannot pretend that this did not happen

https://www.nairaland.com/745731/yoruba-marginalization-elders-met-jonathan

THE BITCH IS STILL CRYING.



PLEASE, CRY ME A RIVER.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDZ5y8TvIqo

mrvitalis:

Lmao the more they cut it the more independent Igbo nation become ...win win no matter what

Which policy can they do ..we can shift from production to importing smoothly ask erisco ...sha dangote tomatoes never die ...u can't fight Igbo man n win ...

Ibeto is coming back strong he just rearranging his production capacity ...his wealth stored abroad ...what can dey do now
.. nothing

Lol.

Truth is the Igbos man's work ethics and business acumen is something that needs to be emulated across board.

Igbos try to turn every situation, no matter how bad, to an advantage.

That said, I believe Igbos need to be more modest and less egotistical so as to accommodate other Nigerians whose cultures and values are very different to theirs.

Cheers.

Only yoruba muslims reject Igbo presidency due to greed.

bjdon:


I think there is a massive sense of victimhood among the Igbos. Everything is about people 'doing something to them' The simple truth is there is nothing remarkable about the fact that an Igbo person has not yet won the presidential election in NIgeria since 1999. If we look at from the angle of the 6 geo political zones, it is not only the SE that have not produced a president, the same is the case for the NC and NE.

The SW took a strategic choice to align with the SW and it paid off for them. The SE did the same and aligned with the NE in 2019 but it did not pay off. If Atiku and Peter Obi had won in 2019, the SE would not be complaning today. Politics is a zero sum game, you win or you loose. The Igbo should stop taking it personal, stop being emotional and instead look to build the right aliances that will get them what they want.

First I will ignore your victimhood statement as it lacks any substance.

As for the main body of your comment, you have a very good point although using Atiku as an example is way off cos I'm talking about other ethnicities actually voting an Igbo man for president.

And when I'm talking here it's from the angle that of the three major ethnic groups in Nigeria, an Igbo man has never been elected president in the history of Nigeria.

I agree to an extent that maybe it does depend on political alliances and strategy but that does not give the whole picture.

Using your Atiku example, do you think Obi would have garnered more than a few thousand votes in the North if here were to be the one running for President and Atiku his vice?

With the north, it appears to be because of the first coup of 1966 that was seen as an attempt by Igbos to dominate Nigeria politically by killing other tribes’ leaders, while protecting theirs. This of course is wrong as it cannot be attributed to the Igbos as a people, but some Igbo officers made that very indefensible and costly error. This resulted in the coup (that was said to have been initially welcomed by most Nigerians) being eventually tagged as an Igbo coup after more facts emerged.

Also, Azikiwe had in the past eulogized how Igbos were born to lead Africa. Ahmadu Bello had clarified that the northern region will not allow Igbo domination in their region, hence the back and forth suspicion by both tribes.

Every other factor appears to be additional. For instance, the counter coup was said to have been accelerated by Aguiyi Ironsi’s collapse of the regional governments into a central one. The northern officers and politicians were said to have seen that action as another attempt by Igbos to dominate the north especially since they were not as educated to occupy most of senior positions in central civil service. This may have have exacerbated the quota system that was to later impact the Nigerian civil service, and the entire nation abysmally.

Bottom line is that there is palpable suspicion from and against the Igbos ever since the first coup, and counter coups, that led to killings of major northern leaders, mass killings of Igbos, and eventually the civil war.

With other tribes, Igbos appear to remain bitter about the events of the civil war and their losses. So they continue to verbally assault other tribes that were seen as having contributed to their loss of the war, most especially the Yorubas, and other tribes that supported the Federal Military Government of Yakubu Gowon. This has made every other tribe in Nigeria a potential enemy of the Igbos.

More recently, the unrest and activities of armed groups in the southeast and their attacks of security operatives continue to suggest all sorts about the real intentions of the Igbos.

Perhaps Igbos must be willing to forgive and accept the forgiveness of other tribes to douse the animosity and enable them to be voted to lead the nation.

TheRealestGuy:
I ask this question cos it is bewildering and quite shocking to see the reactions of a lot of Nigerians whenever the question of an Igbo presidency is brought up.

Bear in mind that historically, Igbos have voted for a Yoruba man for presidency (Obasanjo in '99 & '03), an Ijaw man (GEJ in '11) as well as twice for core Fulani men (Yar'adua and Atiku). Therefore, any accusations of hate of other tribes by Igbos is laughable and obviously untrue.

Furthermore, Igbos can arguably be said to be the most integrated ethnic group in Nigeria since there's no LGA or Town in the country where you won't find a sizable number Igbo people most likely engaging in business, paying taxes and adding their quota to the economic and social development of the state.

Now I know the issue of the 1966 coup might come up but remember that this was a military affair which cannot be blamed on the average Igbo man and that the coup plotters weren't solely of Igbo origin. Also, those involved in the coup have written several books as to the reason why it was carried out (e.g. Why We Struck by Col. Ademoyega) hence, ruling out any idea that it was an ethnic cleansing.

Finally, it is on record that an Igbo officer was the one who foiled the coup and arrested the officers involved (even though he could have handled it much better by meting out justice asap). Also, if the 1966 coup were to be the reason for the irrational distrust, haven't Igbos paid the more than enough price for Nzeoguwo and Co's mistakes?

Last thing I can think of is that they are afraid that an Igbo president will push for referendum to be reinserted into the constitution. Question is how is that a negative thing? Remember that the right to self determination is something that every progressive country should have and in a democracy, all discussions no matter how sensitive must be allowed as that is how a democracy matures - it is tested continuously.

So I'm asking directly - If you're one of those vehemently opposing the idea of an Igbo president, can you give a good/cogent reason for this decision?

aribisala0:
We cannot pretend that this did not happen

https://www.nairaland.com/745731/yoruba-marginalization-elders-met-jonathan

Indeed. In testimony to the fact that Igbos are deliberately and proudly bigoted, you will never see even one of them express shame and contrition against such an open and disgusting show of raw hatred against other Nigerians because of their ethnic origin.

Yet this same people go everywhere to demand equitable treatment from others they will never voluntarily offer on their own turf.

On that thread, a people who claim to be marginalised are directly demanding the marginalisation of others.

Only mumu Yorubas will never work out what/who Igbos are.

SlyDev:
Igbos by default are not political leader and administrator material. People easily overwhelmed with emotions are not to be trusted with power.

Igbos are getting elected into political posts in Canada, UK, USA, Finland, Poland, Italian Senate etc by white people who are 5000% above your ewedu muslim I.Q.

Is there anybody in your lineage who can smell such achievement in the next 300 years of your miserable alamala generation?

TheRealestGuy:


Lol.

Truth is the Igbos man's work ethics and business acumen is something that needs to be emulated across board.

Igbos try to turn every situation, no matter how bad, to an advantage.

That said, I believe Igbos need to be more modest and less egotistical so as to accommodate other Nigerians whose cultures and values are very different to theirs.

Cheers.

Truth is this being loud and egotistic is how are e motivate ourselves ...it gingers we Igbos but other people find it intimidating

We can't because of them and stop motivating ourselves na

We see hustling as war against poverty and when u go for war you brag beat your chest to keep you motivated then you show off to gingers your comerades that it's a war that can be won

How others see it is their bleeping business

The day they stop buying or patronising our business because of it then we go reason am ...the hate and envy they increase money


Hate Igbo all u want ..when you won build house , repair car, eat , buy dress , phone , ...some how somehow u go still give Igbo man your money tell am thank you on top

hammer567:
THIS IS NOW OLD AND OUT-DATED AFONJA PROPAGANDA.



THE PRESIDENCY OF 2023, CAN ONLY COME FROM THE SE REGION, OTHERWISE GOOD BYE NIGERIA.

op,is this how to market a candidate or promote people to vote for U?

Do u think bullying n threatening people can get u anything

9gerian:
With the north, it appears to be because of the first coup of 1966 that was seen as an attempt by Igbos to dominate Nigeria politically by killing other tribes’ leaders, while protecting theirs. This of course is wrong as it cannot be attributed to the Igbos as a people, but some Igbo officers made that very indefensible and costly error. This resulted in the coup (that was said to have been initially welcomed by most Nigerians) being eventually tagged as an Igbo coup after more facts emerged.

Also, Azikiwe had in the past eulogized how Igbos were born to lead Africa. Ahmadu Bello had clarified that the northern region will not allow Igbo domination in their region, hence the back and forth suspicion by both tribes.

Every other factor appears to be additional. For instance, the counter coup was said to have been accelerated by Aguiyi Ironsi’s collapse of the regional governments into a central one. The northern officers and politicians were said to have seen that action as another attempt by Igbos to dominate the north especially since they were not as educated to occupy most of senior positions in central civil service. This may have have exacerbated the quota system that was to later impact the Nigerian civil service, and the entire nation abysmally.

Bottom line is that there is palpable suspicion from and against the Igbos ever since the first coup, and counter coups, that led to killings of major northern leaders, mass killings of Igbos, and eventually the civil war.

With other tribes, Igbos appear to remain bitter about the events of the civil war and their losses. So they continue to verbally assault other tribes that were seen as having contributed to their loss of the war, most especially the Yorubas, and other tribes that supported the Federal Military Government of Yakubu Gowon. This has made every other tribe in Nigeria a potential enemy of the Igbos.

More recently, the unrest and activities of armed groups in the southeast and their attacks of security operatives continue to suggest all sorts about the real intentions of the Igbos.

Perhaps Igbos must be willing to forgive and accept the forgiveness of other tribes to douse the animosity and enable them to be voted to lead the nation.

Very good commentary on the discuss at hand.

So in other words there needs to be a sort of national reconciliation so that all sides can air their grievances and perhaps find some sort of healing, and we can all move one from the bitter events of 1966 and beyond?

I also think it is worth mentioning that even before 1966 that there have been quite a few riots that resulted in Igbos in particular and southerners in general being target for violence. Hence, I'm of the opinion that the animosity and suspicions most likely predate the events of 1966.

Also, the fact that BH, whose intentions are somewhat similar to IPOB (both sects are somewhat accepted by some of the people in the regions where they operate and both want a country of their own) exists in the core north did not make other Nigerians not to vote core Yaradua or Buhari, who by the way seems to be sympathetic to Fulani bandits.

mrvitalis:

Truth is this being loud and egotistic is how are e motivate ourselves ...it gingers we Igbos but other people find it intimidating

We can't because of them and stop motivating ourselves na

We see hustling as war against poverty and when u go for war you brag beat your chest to keep you motivated then you show off to gingers your comerades that it's a war that can be won

How others see it is their bleeping business

The day they stop buying or patronising our business because of it then we go reason am ...the hate and envy they increase money


Hate Igbo all u want ..when you won build house , repair car, eat , buy dress , phone , ...some how somehow u go still give Igbo man your money tell am thank you on top

Look, I'm a bona-fide Igbo man to be clear.

This is where we need to learn from other ethnic groups, especially Yoruba. We have to learn to modify our behaviours to accommodate others. This doesn't mean you're changing for anyone but is a way of winning people over.

This egotistical attitude leads us nowhere and only attract more disaffection that quite frankly we have had enough of.

I rest my case.

Correct!

TheRealestGuy:


Very good commentary on the discuss at hand.

So in other words there needs to be a sort of national reconciliation so that all sides can air their grievances and perhaps find some sort of healing, and we can all move one from the bitter events of 1966 and beyond?

I also think it is worth mentioning that even before 1966 that there have been quite a few riots that resulted in Igbos in particular and southerners in general being target for violence. Hence, I'm of the opinion that the animosity and suspicions most likely predate the events of 1966.

Also, the fact that BH, whose intentions are somewhat similar to IPOB (both sects are somewhat accepted by some of the people in the regions where they operate and both want a country of their own) exists in the core north did not make other Nigerians not to vote core Yaradua or Buhari, who by the way seems to be sympathetic to Fulani bandits.

LLiKYekoba:




Igbos are getting elected into political posts in Canada, UK, USA, Finland, Poland, Italian Senate etc by white people who are 5000% above your ewedu muslim I.Q.

Is there anybody in your lineage who can smell such achievement in the next 300 years of your miserable alamala generation?

Odoyo. For everything you claim Igbos are doing, Yorubas are factually doing same a 100 times bigger and better. We have factually established this reality, to death, on Nairaland.

For any nation or people, human resources is King. The fact that Igbo human resources is largely ignorant, unexposed, dishonest, duplicitous and unrefined is the reason the bragaddocious noise of Igbos never match the reality we know about you people from your wretched 5 Stated that are the traditional home of Igbos in the world.

Igbos are the only people I know in the world who do not appreciate that charity must begin at home for a people who want to be taken seriously.

You leave your pathetic, barren and hopeless land ,you are unable to develop optimally, to scavenge for opportunities everywhere worldwide.

Even a child can tell that you people are fraudsters.

TheRealestGuy:


You're definitely not worth engaging on such a serious topic.

I thought I was discussing with a normal human being.

Now run along.

it example of abornalmity .Acting on credible intelligence, operatives in Edo state on Friday 14th January 2022, intercepted a trailer coming from Onitsha and going to Yauri in Kebbi State. A thorough search of the truck led to the discovery of psychotropic substances concealed under legitimate goods. The drugs seized include: 394,480 capsules and 3,000 tablets of Tramadol weighing 83.707kg; Exol-5: 647,500 tablets weighing 203.315kg; Diazepam: 12,500 tablets weighing 2.05kg; Bromazepam: 1,500 tablets weighing 0.45kg; Codeine based Syrup: 999 bottles weighing 134.865kg; Pentazocine injections: 4,000 ampoules weighing 16.64kg.

Aufbauh:
The simple reason is that we've seen through their actions and words that they're are Democratic in nature.
They have shown over the time that they lack most of the Democratic tendencies to govern a multiethnic and multi religious country like Nigeria.

Again we don't really know what they want going by their disposition. Today it's Biafra or death, then tomorrow it's Nigeria president.

Also they are the least patriotic tribe in Nigeria to be entrusted the highest office of the nation.

We want them all...we want Nigeria president and we also want a Biafran country...

We can have the full bakery instead of a loaf of bread...

WE WANT THEM ALL



...

TheRealestGuy:


First I will ignore your victimhood statement as it lacks any substance.

As for the main body of your comment, you have a very good point although using Atiku as an example is way off cos I'm talking about other ethnicities actually voting an Igbo man for president.

And when I'm talking here it's from the angle that of the three major ethnic groups in Nigeria, an Igbo man has never been elected president in the history of Nigeria.

I agree to an extent that maybe it does depend on political alliances and strategy but that does not give the whole picture.

Using your Atiku example, do you think Obi would have garnered more than a few thousand votes in the North if here were to be the one running for President and Atiku his vice?

I think an Igbo man can do very well in the North, if he has a good VP candidate AND has built a network of influential supporters. I admit it won't be easy, the legacy of 1966 still runs VERY deep in the North, but time has moved on, and Buhari has been such a massive failure to the extent that many northerners are now ready to vote for anyone who is going to provide competent leadership.
My further advice to the SE, is to focus on the PDP. ACP will never give the ticket to the SE, it's either going to the SW or staying in the North. PDP is a diffrent matter. The SE have paid their dues in that party and can rightly demand that's its now their turn. They should make it clear to the North, that if the PDP ticket is zoned to the North, the SE will NOT vote PDP in 2023.

It's actually envy that they have allowed to turn into hate and fear of the igbo man the only solution still remains either restructuring or the outright division of nigeria any other thing is just prosponing the evil day cause it's very obvious to even the blind that the three major ethnic groups in nigeria will always be suspicious of each other and can never trust themselves even in a million years time.

bjdon:


I think an Igbo man can do very well in the North, if he has a good VP candidate AND has built a network of influential supporters. I admit it won't be easy, the legacy of 1966 still runs VERY deep in the North, but time has moved on, and Buhari has been such a massive failure to the extent that many northerners are now ready to vote for anyone who is going to provide competent leadership.
My further advice to the SE, is to focus on the PDP. ACP will never give the ticket to the SE, it's either going to the SW or staying in the North. PDP is a diffrent matter. The SE have paid their dues in that party and can rightly demand that's its now their turn. They should make it clear to the North, that if the PDP ticket is zoned to the North, the SE will NOT vote PDP in 2023.

Don't understand why you're talking about PDP and APC when the fact remains that most Nigerians, especially northerners, seem to abhor even the idea of an Igbo man being president, maybe the issue of 1966 is the reason but is it good enough?

Time will tell as it does for all things.

JOemmy:
It's actually envy that they have allowed to turn into hate and fear of the igbo man the only solution still remains either restructuring or the outright division of nigeria any other thing is just prosponing the evil day cause it's very obvious to even the blind that the three major ethnic groups in nigeria will always be suspicious of each other and can never trust themselves even in a million years time.

I don't know.about envy but I agree with the remaining parts of your statement.

It seems either a national reconciliation or return to regionalism will be a viable solution to the suspicions and distrust of Igbos by other ethnic groups. I believe this distrust isn't mutual as you inferred because Igbos have voted northerners and westerners time and time again.

pointblank247:
Lets put it this way.

Do you know how most Ghanaian feel about Nigeria.

How South African feel about Nigeria.?

It's all because of the Igbos.

An average Igbo man is a winner
Dominant without boundaries
Money maker
Must excell


All these attract Envy

Here we go again


The same nonsense expecting different results

Lalasticlala what do think?

I believe its high time this discussion is had let's even understand what people's fears are.

It is clear from the thread so far that most of the fears are irrational/unfounded or outright rubbish.

SlyDev:
Igbos by default are not political leader and administrator material. People easily overwhelmed with emotions are not to be trusted with power.

You are writing out of deep hatred not based on raw facts igbos have occupied and are still holding powerful positions all over the world than even in nigeria if the civilized nations can find igbos qualified to occupy such powerful offices why then should it be very difficult for an Igbo person to govern a third world country like nigeria which has been ranked as the poverty capital of the whole world? The reason is simply because of dirty suicidal ethnic politics that has been used against the igbos for years that's why the solution of nigeria's endless problems still remains either restructuring or outright division because it's obvious we can never trust ourselves.