samuelson06:


I don't know why you keep talking about King Solomon. Look, if God never wanted the writings of Solomon to be there, it wouldn't have been there. No part of the Bible was inspired by man's thoughts.

Regardless of how how canal a chapter or verse of the scripture may appear, it was for a purpose and God made no mistake about it. When you begin to ascribe a certain scripture to the writer, you take God out of the equation.

The Holy Bible is one and whole and it's all about God. God alone is responsible for it. It's clearly written that men were carried along by the spirit of God to write the Bible. Don't bring in any complications. Forget about how a chapter or verse may sound to you.

Grandmeister:

You're being emotional and that doesn't help. Burglary is a crime and those who engage in it are punished under the law but does that mean we should not secure our homes? Stealing is bad and punishable under the law but does that mean you can just keep your phone on the table in a public place and go take a piss? Many of us are more conscious of our material belongings than our health and safety! There is no amount of arrest or prosecution that will stop evil men and women from existing on this earth. Not until Christ comes...so what do you to keep yourself safe? We've been burning thieves and robbers in Nigeria and yet theft and robbery still persists! Better be safe than be another statistics. Even if the police finds the killer the girl has already been killed.

magicminister:



Listen, please don’t ever tag me again if you’re not going to make sense!

derecho:
I'm not digressing o...by the way what do you mean by the bolded?That that scripture is outdated?
The issue,friend, is what training entails for a child. Just like saying, if a good teacher teaches a child, he won't assimilate and that he/she would deliberately go and fail. The child would most likely fail if he/she wasn't taught or didn't understand.
Sure there'll be temptations but a proper training makes many of them a non-issue.For example, there are kids who will NEVER deliberately become armed robbers or hired killers. There is a reason it's easier to find terrorists amongst people trained in a certain way.
Many of us would have been cultists if not that we were shown the Truth early and we received grace too.
Evil communication corrupts good manners...and He that walks with the wise will be wise.

Lest I forget, sending you to the right schools, raising you in the right neighborhood,parents living by example,choice of the place of worship etc would greatly influence a child.

The stats is commonsensical na.

In the past, most Nigerians were honest.Was it because they were not capable of stealing or corrupt practices? No....but because it was a norm.A good name meant so much then.Parents instilled those values-Not a church ting.
Everything changed when making money took the place of spending quality time with family and leaving your children to be trained by people who care less about your kids...

Show me a trained child, who is a good ethical hacker who wants to be a yahoo boy?
Something would need to happen to his psyche to condescend.

Summary,
A child who knows the difference between jollof beans and fresh faeces would NEVER opt for the latter.
As parents we need divine wisdom to train our children. We just can't give what we don't have.



oh my God are you serious
So you’ve never heard of peer pressure or influence?
So you’re saying that nobody doing yahoo Now was ever good?
So everyone who steals now was always bad?
Well, let me give you an instance, a lot of our popular musicians started singing in the church. (Ie, it is Considered a good character) Along the line they started doing secular music
Do you have an answer to that?

You said in the past “most Nigerians were honest” , No doubts
Everything i have said so far is centered on the present society, i base what i say on the current situation not the past...
You talked about the yahoo boy thing,
It still brings you back to everything I’ve said earlier, you can train a child all you want, at the end of the day, the child might decide to dumb all your teachings and training...

You said in the past people were honest
Well i have a quick question, why do you think people are no longer that honest?

is it that parents no longer train their children in the right part? They answer is they do, but the society is not what it used to be true or false.

People have drifted from good teachings
We have priests who rape church members
We have ministers who use church members for rituals
Some of these people started out with the right training and teachings
True or false
It’s a no brainer... the answer is true.

derecho:
I'm not digressing o...by the way what do you mean by the bolded?That that scripture is outdated?
The issue,friend, is what training entails for a child. Just like saying, if a good teacher teaches a child, he won't assimilate and that he/she would deliberately go and fail. The child would most likely fail if he/she wasn't taught or didn't understand.
Sure there'll be temptations but a proper training makes many of them a non-issue.For example, there are kids who will NEVER deliberately become armed robbers or hired killers. There is a reason it's easier to find terrorists amongst people trained in a certain way.
Many of us would have been cultists if not that we were shown the Truth early and we received grace too.
Evil communication corrupts good manners...and He that walks with the wise will be wise.

Lest I forget, sending you to the right schools, raising you in the right neighborhood,parents living by example,choice of the place of worship etc would greatly influence a child.

The stats is commonsensical na.

In the past, most Nigerians were honest.Was it because they were not capable of stealing or corrupt practices? No....but because it was a norm.A good name meant so much then.Parents instilled those values-Not a church ting.
Everything changed when making money took the place of spending quality time with family and leaving your children to be trained by people who care less about your kids...

Show me a trained child, who is a good ethical hacker who wants to be a yahoo boy?
Something would need to happen to his psyche for him to condescend.People want to be better.If the parents have been able to show their ward a more excellent way, THEY'D NOT DEPART FROM IT for a useless ignoble way of life.

No one said it's rocket science. That's why I reminded you that parents are caretakers and must get the map for each child. I also mentioned the spiritual side.



Summary,
A child who knows the difference between jollof beans and fresh faeces would NEVER opt for the latter.
As parents we need divine wisdom to train our children. We just can't give what we don't have.

derecho:
I find it difficult to sift ur response. Every thing is within the quote.

derecho:
I find it difficult to sift ur response. Every thing is within the quote.

Alohaa:

oh my God are you serious
So you’ve never heard of peer pressure or influence?
So you’re saying that nobody doing yahoo Now was ever good?
So everyone who steals now was always bad?
Well, let me give you an instance, a lot of our popular musicians started singing in the church. (Ie, it is Considered a good character) Along the line they started doing secular music
Do you have an answer to that?

You said in the past “most Nigerians were honest” , No doubts
Everything i have said so far is centered on the present society, i base what i say on the current situation not the past...
You talked about the yahoo boy thing,
It still brings you back to everything I’ve said earlier, you can train a child all you want, at the end of the day, the child might decide to dumb all your teachings and training...

You said in the past people were honest
Well i have a quick question, why do you think people are no longer that honest?

is it that parents no longer train their children in the right part? They answer is they do, but the society is not what it used to be true or false.

People have drifted from good teachings
We have priests who rape church members
We have ministers who use church members for rituals
Some of these people started out with the right training and teachings
True or false
It’s a no brainer... the answer is true.

Alohaa:


By the boldes i mean
People have/can/will drift from good training regardless of what the passage says...


Let me say something about your summary
Smokers are likely to die young is written in every cigarette pack, they smokers see it but they don’t care...
So let me apply it to your analogy, someone who eats shit does so cause he wants, not because he doesn’t know what’s right....

A sinner knows he is sinning
But he does it anyways...

derecho:


You raised many questions but they shouldn't be difficult if you are a Christian.
Let me start this way,
Why is your child not the one influencing his peers?
I believe you know the answer about moral training now and in the past.No need to waste time on that.

Singing in the church means nothing. There are people who sing in the church who will never veer into secular music BECAUSE they know what they are doing.By the way, going to church or working in church doesn't make you a Christian.

Those turning Yahoo boys were not convinced it was bad, they only parroted it until the true test came.If you are convinced that killing humans for rituals is evil, for example, you'll not want to do it even if everyone is doing it.You'd rather opt for an alternative.

Same thing with right teachings. It's about conviction. It's just like saying, I'll now come and say there's no God because of some unfavorable circumstance.Some things are settled from experience not because someone told you.
Training helps you experience things.For example, I am more likely to believe prayers are useless if I HV never seen God intervene when I pray.If all I know is someone forcing me to pray, why won't I abandon prayers when I don't have a relationship with God.

Alohaa:




So what you’re saying is people can’t go through proper training and then turn bad

What I understand is, you’re trying to justify the unjustifiable...

Good people can influence bad people
And bad people can influence good people
It’s vice versa

Hahahahaha
What do you mean by were not convinced?
Even the pastors aren’t convinced ?
Even the priest?
C’mon who are we kidding?
There’s a moral decadence in our society, it can eat through any form of training, except that child is strong and has the grace of God...
No amount of parental guidance can tame a child that doesn’t want to be tamed...

In the decades long gone, singing in the church was considered a good character
Going to church was also considered good character
But not any more, you can’t fault it.

Decades ago dreadlocks was considered an abomination
Today people are embracing it...
Society changes, ours including...

No matter how exposed someone is to “right teachings”
They can chose not to follow it
Children grow up and chose their own parts...

Some were born in christian families When they grew up they became atheist etc

Good teachings” even the earliest people where with Jesus Christ, but not all of them accepted him...


So please, people can go through all the right teachings and training and still become whatever they want...

Grandmeister:

OK keep screaming and putting up hastags on social media against rapists and ritualists see if that will do Jack shyt.

derecho:


There are somethings you've not grasped.
For you to think every pastor/priest is convinced speaks volume.
One thing is clear, that verse is inerrant. If you want to know what it means to be convinced, read and digest what Paul meant by "I am fully persuaded... That nothing can separate me from the love of Christ"
You should have asked yourself why others are not yielding.
Like I said, understanding matters.

If you studied your Bible, you'll know that many not accepting Jesus then was foretold.
Finally, if you train your child well, he'll turn out right..

derecho:

You seem to mix issues.
So someone just wants to eat shit because he wants to eat shit? Funny u

Every man is prone to immorality but some are know/understand the consequence better than others.Where they weak, they ask for grace and flee but the foolish one rages on and is destroyed.
Let me ask you,
If you are sure you'll die if you entered a car, will you enter it?
Many of us misbehave because we believe there's a second chance.
It's our level of understanding and knowledge that's shown when we are tested.

The smoker ting don't believe what's written on those packs.

Do you remember the days of Ebola or what's the name of that pandemic that the Liberian brought into Nigeria?
How many Nigerians played with it like COVID-19?
Nigerians don't fear COVID-19 because they are not convinced. That's what happens when the training you gave ur ward is not believable. If you as a parent are lying or having extramarital affairs, why would ur ward believe you?
There's what gives authority to you as a parent-Leading by example

A sinner that is sinning, still does so because he hasn't tasted of the grace that empowers him to say NO to sin.
Some of those sins may be an avoidable addiction

magicminister:


Don’t worry! I’ll keep screaming with same energy when they come for your mother and sister and daughters and the people you love.
Keep encouraging rubbish!!! On no account should they victims of such heinous crimes be blamed!

If you don’t understand my perspective, then there’s no point having any conversation with you.

chaloskyx:
she was into runs she knew the risks and was prepared to face the consequence unfortunately the consequence was death rip. to other runs girls out there be content with your lifestyle stop selling yourselves for money

Cokahot:
But the suspect was apprehended, and exhibit found on him include a bloodstained cloth,her bags,personal effects. S whr did the yahoo boy see all those na.oponu

Alohaa:


People that smoke, why do they smoke?
People that steal, why do they do it?


Lol
You’re just throwing logic upandan...
You do know that there are people who don’t believe in God? And things work out for them just fine...

You’re the one mixing everything up
Cause my argument still is
The Bible passage you quoted is true, but not entirely true in our current society...
There are people who after going through the best teachings and trainings, they go out and forge their own part...
Judas at a point was a follower of Christ
At the end of the day, he forged his own part despite everything he has seen...

Stop making it sound like it doesn’t happen
It does happen...

Alohaa:



Even peter denied Christ.
Even John peter used a sword to cut someone’s ear off...
Situation changes people, it’s as simple as it is.

Answer my question please

Are there people who have turned away from the teachings despite being trained and taught in the right part?

iswallker:




sneaking to a party is not the same thing as being a runs gal - shes exposed to quite a lot of danger in the later case and she knows it

derecho:


I don't know how versed you are with scriptures. But let me assume you know the scriptures fairly well.Ever read of kings serving God but "not with a perfect heart"?
The peter you mentioned, what happened to him when he repented?

Change is normal but could mean improvements too.
Humans are naturally inclined to evil but a good trainer with God's help prunes those inclinations.

I asked why is it that everyone doesn't choose to change negatively? Why ?
A person who fully understands the danger of going the wrong way, will never try it.
For people to change negatively, something went wrong somewhere. That's why I obliged you less than 20% (for those who choose to become tearaway) and a possibility of over 90% for people that were properly trained.

If training your child doesn't yeild good behavior/character why waste time?

derecho:
Fine is subjective friend.BTW we aren't talking about things working out fine, we are talking about deliberately training a child to live right.
Why people smoke/steal isn't within the discuss.

Except you are trying to suggest that proper home training is useless and it is the child who decidescwhat he likes.