Ileke-IdI:

I wasn't addressing the population stats, but the possible reason why people locate to Lagos.

Why don't you think the state is overpopulated tho? People from older older generations have not left, they've simply had offsprings who've had offsprings and who will continue to have offsprings while more people keeps moving in.

It's like denying the fact that Miami is not currently "overpopulated", thanks to Hispanic immigration.

[size=4pt]Dont sleep  lol[/size]

Kobojunkie:

Just because you SEE a lot of people in an area, does not then mean it is OK for you to conclude the area is OVERPOPULATED. It is that simple

Kobojunkie:

The same Lagos is building to attract investors, and tourists. Does an OVERPOPULATED state do that? The same state has yet to release numbers validating any claim of it's inability to handle the population growth -- rather it is promoting itself to MEGA-CITY status -- essentially saying COME PEOPLE COME ---.

Ileke-IdI:

Are you kidding me?

Are you trying to assume that Lagos is not possibly populated? Have we had any catastrophic incident that might have decrease Lagos' population? What do you expect when basically almost everyone locate to Lagos for opportunity?

Ileke-IdI:

Someone should post the # of voters from each state and compare it to Lagos'. I understand that Voting population is not the same thing as the population overall, it might not be a substantial evidence, but it can help make a favorable guesstimation.

Kobojunkie:

I don't understand your logic at all. Are you assuming that because there has not been a drastic reduction in population, we should assume Lagos is overpopulated? Not everyone is located in Lagos or has relocated to Lagos.

Kobojunkie:

. Last I checked, the country still has over 130 million people that are still not in Lagos.

Again, increase in number of voters has little to do with overpopulated. Population growth is an EXPECTED PHENOMENON especially when you have an area more developed and open than other metropolitan areas, something Lagos has represented from way back when the State was first created.

Shanghai is about the most populated city in the world today. It is NOT overpopulated, even with the high population density. The city continues to build and expand, and hopes to remain the most populous city for decades to come. Should we then conclude that because it is so densely populated, it is OVERPOPULATED?

GAR3TH:

There is no such thing as over population, the word you guys should be looking for is sustainability.

Ileke-IdI:

No. That's not what I'm assuming. Reread my post.

Hmm, seem like we're both assuming here, koboj.

Do those 130 million Nigerians need to be in Lagos for us to ponder on the possible overpopulation status of Lagos?

Ileke-IdI:

Actually it does. To vote in a state, you must be an official resident of that  state with a consistent tax payment (correct me, if I'm wrong). A state with less population would not boast of a voting population a state with higher population would boast of.

Ileke-IdI:

Of course population growth is an expected phenomenon, that's not what we're discussing. We understand the factors et all. We're actually looking it how Lagos might possibly be over populated because of the way it's development has drawn so many crowd.

Ileke-IdI:

Last time I checked, Shanghai is not Lagos.

And btw, Shanghai is considered overpopulated.

dayokanu:

Ileke idi

You are wanted here.

See your video online

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-695286.0.html

dayokanu:

Miss Ogun Sounds like you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch=/v/sfeOY2xF27w&NR=1

odumchi:

Since when did a few Miles of Rail cost $150M??

O boy you have to stop thinking like an American and think like an African, no wonder USA is in so much debt, 150M for a few lines of rail? cmon.
Nigeria doesn't need to import a single thing other than the actual train itself. Local iron from Enugu can be smelted and used to produce Steel for the rails, and maybe wood from nearby Cameroun can be imported at a cheap price. This project will defibately put millions back to work since men will be needed as haulers, carpenters, blacksmiths and laborers. Such a project should cost no more than N1Billion ($100M).
It would be a great boost to local economies as armies of cooks and peddlers would be required to feed the masses of laborers and will surely create permanent jobs.

Kobojunkie:

I am not making any assumptions apart really. I simply saying that in a country of 150 million or there abouts, you cannot simply conclude that a state is OVERPOPULATED just because you observe that there are more people living within a certain area of the state. Lagos is a state with a population recorded last at approximately 17 million. Unless the state itself DECLARES it is OVERPOPULATED, you cannot DO THAT of your own.
Number of Voters is not DECIDING factor when it comes to whether a state is OVER POPULATED OR NOT.  It is possible to have a low population of non-voters to Voters ratio. You do not say that because a state has 2 million voters, then it means the state is OVER POPULATED. That is not how it works.



For the umpteenth time, what you see happening to Lagos today, happened back 200 years ago, back to the times of the first Lagosians/Aworis etc(which ever came first).

When you have an area that is bustling with trade, there is that tendency that population trends like these will be observed for a long time to come. That is part reason why we have government, and local governments to help manage the influx, and use it to the BENEFIT of the town/state. Lagos has little other resources except for it's population to work with. And it can do great things with it, if it wanted to.
Na wa oo . . . when did you decide Shanghai is overpopulated? The same Shanghai that has lifted it's one-child policy only recently, so that people can have more kids? Na wa ooo

LeoMax:

To reduce the population of Lagos

1. Increase Tenement rates and Consumer income taxes.
2. Destroy the swamps and build recreational Parks there.
3. Close the borders and regulation entry into the state.
4. Pass legislations stipulating birth to 3 kids per family.
5. Offer all dwellers of Lagos State for 10yrs a State Citizenship Passports.
6. Make it mandatory that all felons who are non-Lagosians are transferred to their State prisons once arrested and banned from entrying Lagos

LeoMax:

To reduce the population of Lagos

1. Increase Tenement rates and Consumer income taxes.
2. Destroy the swamps and build recreational Parks there.
3. Close the borders and regulation entry into the state.
4. Pass legislations stipulating birth to 3 kids per family.
5. Offer all dwellers of Lagos State for 10yrs a State Citizenship Passports.
6. Make it mandatory that all felons who are non-Lagosians are transferred to their State prisons once arrested and banned from entrying Lagos

Kobojunkie:

Look, what I see people doing here, with these unsubstantiated claims of overpopulation/population pressure, is attempting to create a sort of excuse/rationale for why Government in Lagos should not be held responsible for the continued level of decay in the state, even after 12 years of supposed development.

This is a State has yet to officially complain of overpopulation -- I mean this is a state that boasts of the highest GDP in much of west Africa today, all thanks to the population. The same state continously flaunts it's MEGACITY projects -- projects geared towards making Lagos the largest in the world, right? Well, guess what, when you go for world status megacity, population increase follows. You can't have it in isolation.

So, if the state is not complaining, we need to stop with the fear-mongering and learn to deal with known facts.

Kobojunkie:

[size=13pt]Look, what I see people doing here[/size], with these unsubstantiated claims of overpopulation/population pressure, is attempting to create a sort of excuse/rationale for why Government in Lagos should not be held responsible for the continued level of decay in the state, even after 12 years of supposed development. 

Mariory:

It appears you didn't read or understand the article behind this thread.

Kobojunkie:

[size=16pt]Look, what I see people doing here, with these unsubstantiated claims of overpopulation/population pressure[/size], is attempting to create a sort of excuse/rationale for why Government in Lagos should not be held responsible for the continued level of decay in the state, even after 12 years of supposed development.

[size=16pt]This is a State has yet to officially complain of overpopulation[/size] -- I mean this is a state that boasts of the highest GDP in much of west Africa today, all thanks to the population. The same state continously flaunts it's MEGACITY projects -- projects geared towards making Lagos the largest in the world, right? Well, guess what, when you go for world status megacity, population increase follows. You can't have it in isolation.

[size=16pt]So, if the state is not complaining[/size], we need to stop with the fear-mongering and learn to deal with known facts.

In order to reduce pressure on the state, it is important that governments across the country embrace good governance.

Lagos is renowned to be very accommodating and liberal; it is an open secret that a good percentage of the patients that use the health facilities in the state come from neighbouring states. Lagos, indeed, is one of the states where residency, ethnic and political divides are not considered for people to enjoy the dividends of democracy.

This is, however, coming at a price: the enormous population that troops into the State from all over the world has far- reaching consequences on infrastructures in the state.

The presence of people from diverse walks of life is partly responsible for the prosperity of Lagos. It is ironic, however, that the prosperity of Lagos has also brought a huge pressure on the state as its sheer human population puts serious pressure on infrastructure in the state.

odumchi:

Since when did a few Miles of Rail cost $150M??

O boy you have to stop thinking like an American and think like an African, no wonder USA is in so much debt, 150M for a few lines of rail? cmon.
Nigeria doesn't need to import a single thing other than the actual train itself. Local iron from Enugu can be smelted and used to produce Steel for the rails, and maybe wood from nearby Cameroun can be imported at a cheap price. This project will defibately put millions back to work since men will be needed as haulers, carpenters, blacksmiths and laborers. Such a project should cost no more than N1Billion ($100M).
It would be a great boost to local economies as armies of cooks and peddlers would be required to feed the masses of laborers and will surely create permanent jobs.

Kobojunkie:

Look, the population has always been there . . .  the trend the same . . . the only factor that has remained same all this time is slowness in government's ability to catch up with demand. With megacity dreams must also come mega-city abilities to provide for infrastructural needs, and at mega-city pace.

Kobojunkie:

I know you are a do-or-die defender of Fashola, the man, and so I don't think it is in your benefit to continue these shoddy attempts, by your person, to score one for your man by pretending to dispute that which you have obviously not taken time to understand.

a) After a Census, it is Not rocket science that data collected is used to plan development for states and nation as a whole. Data from the last census, data was utilized during the last voter registration process, the elections, and even when states allocate funds(even with all the corrupt, the data is considered at some level). Even the World bank takes advantage of the same population data. So, no, use of data in developmental planning is no novel idea.

b) Population trends have always existed independent of the levels of infrastructural development. The one is not dependent on the other. That the population trend has remained about as expected for a long time now, is no rationalization for continued decay in infrastructure, and it certainly is not reason enough for why the decay cannnot be tackled at speeds possible today, compared to decades ago.

c) A megacity is a city with an official population level at at least 10 (mega) million. According to Lagos State, the City itself is not at 10 million -- if you visit the Lagos state site, you would know that the official figure still being provided is the ~7million figure out there. 

Seriously, you need to learn to READ UP ON DISCUSSIONS before you jump in at the end thinking you are the brightest in the room for that. This is the umpteenth time I am having to tell you this.