Maybe you should save me the stress by pointing out the verses that say GOD created evil.

kingxsamz:


Your bible says otherwise, lol.
Maybe you should read it once in a while.

cornelboy:
1. Satan was created by God as a good Angel but he chose to turn bad.

2. God didn't create evil, men did. That's why God regretted that he created man.

3. God's law are there to guide us against harming or doing evil to others.

1. Where did you get the story in bold from abeg?

2. Where in scripture are you told that man created evil?

Also, you do understand that if man created evil then by implication that means God is not then the creator of ALL things?

And if God is not the creator of ALL things, then He is just one of many creators(man being one of them according to you) and so He cannot hold the title of God of ALL creations nor of God over ALL.

3. God never said that is what His Law is meant for, this since there are also curses and punishments included within His Law to ensure those who transgress His Law are duly punished.

cornelboy:
Maybe you should save me the stress by pointing out the verses that say GOD created evil.

Isaiah 45:7. "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

You don't know about Satan's rebellion and how Michael and his angels defeated him and his angels right?

I should ask you, where you get your ideas from?
Did God create the smartphone your using?
Did got create the internet?
Did God create robots?

God initial purpose for earth was for peace to reign, eternal life etc.. but man fell, then sin and evil came to the world.

Kobojunkiee:
1. Where did you get the story in bold from abeg?

2. Where in scripture are you told that man created evil?

Also, you do understand that if man created evil then by implication that means God is not then the creator of ALL things?

And if God is not the creator of ALL things, then He is just one of many creators(man being one of them according to you) and so He cannot hold the title of God of ALL creations nor of God over ALL.

3. God never said that is what His Law is meant for, this since there are also curses and punishments included within His Law to ensure those who transgress His Law are duly punished.

Kobojunkiee:
God is the creator of All things..... good and evil alike. Even Satan was created by God. Man is not a creator.

Satan was created for what? He was created to be the devil?

cornelboy:
1. You don't know about Satan's rebellion and how Michael and his angels defeated him and his angels right?

2. I should ask you, where you get your ideas from?
Did God create the smartphone your using?
Did got create the internet?
Did God create robots?

3. God initial purpose for earth was for peace to reign, eternal life etc.. but man fell, then sin and evil came to the world.

1. Where did you get this story of yours from is what I asked you.

2. Man invented those things and manufactured them, not from thin air, but using already created raw materials. A farmer does not claim He created the crops on His farm because you planted seeds.

So back to my question, where in scripture are you told that man created evil?

Also, you do understand that if man created evil then by implication that means God is not then the creator of ALL things?

And if God is not the creator of ALL things, then He is just one of many creators(man being one of them according to you) and so He cannot hold the title of God of ALL creations nor of God over ALL.

3. I didn't ask you what you assume God's initial purpose for the earth was, so please try to pay attention. God never said that is what His Law is meant for, this since there are also curses and punishments included within His Law to ensure those who transgress His Law are duly punished. Even the law given by God to Adam included punishment for transgression which we are all familiar since we are all of us born into the curse that resulted from Adam's transgression, revealing God's Law from the beginning included a check for evil.

cornelboy:
Satan was created for what? He was created to be the devil?

You continue to assume at at some point in his existence, Satan morphed from his original programming and my question to you remains where do you this idea or storyline from?

Isaiah 45:7 NLT
[7]I create the light and make the darkness.
I send good times and bad times.
    I, the lord, am the one who does these things.

If you read the Torah well, you would understand that God punished the Israelites whenever they go astray so that they could turn back to Him.

They easily forget God and He would send bad times to them to correct them. It could be in form of famine or other nations raiding their land or outbreak of disease....


But generally when it comes to doing evil, man is the source of evil not God.

I heard a news about a 14 years boy behead his girlfriend for money ritual and do you blame God for that?

God gave us commandments about loving others. If everyone obeys God today, i think the evils we'll be dealing with are death, sickness and all that.

Mind you, a time is coming where the world will be in abundance of peace. No death, suffering, sickness struggling, famine, pain, any form of evil...

kingxsamz:

Isaiah 45:7. "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

Kobojunkiee:
You continue to assume at at some point in his existence, Satan morphed from his original programming and my question to you remains where do you this idea or storyline from?

Where did yours come from?

cornelboy:
Where did yours come from?

But that was your claim... not mine.

cornelboy:
Satan was created by God as a good Angel but he chose to turn bad.

So I am asking to know the source of your claim.

Oh man invented those things but man didn't invent evil right?
When Cain killed Abel, it was God that invented it huh?
When David took Uriah's wife and killed him in battlefront, God invented it right?

When God told Adam not to eat out of the treethat he will die if he did but he eventually disobeyed God and he died, God invented it right?

You've forgot about man's free will to choose from good and bad?

Kobojunkiee:
1. Where did you get this story of yours from is what I asked you.

2. Man invented those things and manufactured them, not from thin air, but using already created raw materials. A farmer does not claim He created the crops on His farm because you planted seeds.

So back to my question, where in scripture are you told that man created evil?

Also, you do understand that if man created evil then by implication that means God is not then the creator of ALL things?

And if God is not the creator of ALL things, then He is just one of many creators(man being one of them according to you) and so He cannot hold the title of God of ALL creations nor of God over ALL.

3. I didn't ask you what you assume God's initial purpose for the earth was, so please try to pay attention. God never said that is what His Law is meant for, this since there are also curses and punishments included within His Law to ensure those who transgress His Law are duly punished. Even the law given by God to Adam included punishment for transgression which we are all familiar since we are all of us born into the curse that resulted from Adam's transgression, revealing God's Law from the beginning included a check for evil.

The bible bro

Kobojunkiee:
But that was your claim... not mine. So I am asking to know the source of your claim.

cornelboy:
The bible bro

Where in your Bible is this story of yours from?

cornelboy:
1a. Oh man invented those things but man didn't invent evil right?
1b. When Cain killed Abel, it was God that invented it huh?
1c. When David took Uriah's wife and killed him in battlefront, God invented it right?

2. When God told Adam not to eat out of the treethat he will die if he did but he eventually disobeyed God and he died, God invented it right?

3. You've forgot about man's free will to choose from good and bad?

1a. Where is it written that evil was invented, or even created by man abeg? Why not answer to the claims you yourself made?.

1b. Where do you read that Cain "invented" murder?
1c. Where do you read that David "invented" such killings?

2. Are you insinuating that even though Adam was given a choice between Good (obedience) and Evil (disobedience), that by choosing disobedience Adam "invented" Evil?

3. I didn't forget this at all. I am still waiting on you to show where exactly you read in scripture that man "invented" or even "created" evil. This since Evil is that which is against God's direct commandments to man.

Kobojunkiee:
1a. Where is it written that evil was invented, or even created by man abeg? Why not answer to the claims you yourself made?.

1b. Where do you read that Cain "invented" murder?
1c. Where do you read that David "invented" such killings?

2. Are you insinuating that even though Adam was given a choice between Good (obedience) and Evil (disobedience), that by choosing disobedience Adam "invented" Evil?

3. I didn't forget this at all. I am still waiting on you to show where exactly you read in scripture that man "invented" or even "created" evil. This since Evil is that which is against God's direct commandments to man.

No human or angel was programmed, we all have freewill and reasoning

Kobojunkiee:
You continue to assume at at some point in his existence, Satan morphed from his original programming and my question to you remains where do you this idea or storyline from?

cornelboy:
Isaiah 45:7 NLT
[7]I create the light and make the darkness.
I send good times and bad times.
    I, the lord, am the one who does these things.

If you read the Torah well, you would understand that God punished the Israelites whenever they go astray so that they could turn back to Him.

They easily forget God and He would send bad times to them to correct them. It could be in form of famine or other nations raiding their land or outbreak of disease....


But generally when it comes to doing evil, man is the source of evil not God.

I heard a news about a 14 years boy behead his girlfriend for money ritual and do you blame God for that?

God gave us commandments about loving others. If everyone obeys God today, i think the evils we'll be dealing with are death, sickness and all that.

Mind you, a time is coming where the world will be in abundance of peace. No death, suffering, sickness struggling, famine, pain, any form of evil...

This one na long story.
I already showed you the verse.
It says he creates evil, right there.

cornelboy:
No human or angel was programmed, we all have freewill and reasoning

Really? Where did you read all of this from?

cornelboy:

What?
Here again are the questions I asked you?

1a. Where is it written that evil was invented, or even created by man abeg? Why not answer to the claims you yourself made?.

1b. Where do you read that Cain "invented" murder?
1c. Where do you read that David "invented" such killings?

2. Are you insinuating that even though Adam was given a choice between Good (obedience) and Evil (disobedience), that by choosing disobedience Adam "invented" Evil?

3. I didn't forget this at all. I am still waiting on you to show where exactly you read in scripture that man "invented" or even "created" evil. This since Evil is that which is against God's direct commandments to man.

Kobojunkiee:
What?
Here again are the questions I asked you?

1a. Where is it written that evil was invented, or even created by man abeg? Why not answer to the claims you yourself made?.

1b. Where do you read that Cain "invented" murder?
1c. Where do you read that David "invented" such killings?

2. Are you insinuating that even though Adam was given a choice between Good (obedience) and Evil (disobedience), that by choosing disobedience Adam "invented" Evil?

3. I didn't forget this at all. I am still waiting on you to show where exactly you read in scripture that man "invented" or even "created" evil. This since Evil is that which is against God's direct commandments to man.

Kobojunkiee:
Really? Where did you read all of this from?

cornelboy:

Please try to read what is written in that book without injecting your outside delusions in so you can better understand what is written out for you to understand.

According to scripture, God is the one and only creator of ALL things - good and evil - and He created it all by His power. His Law given to man includes blessings and curses, to reward those who do good and punish those who do Evil. Both Good and Evil are well within His Jurisdiction and controlled by Him, the one who created ALL things. That is the general narrate from both biblical and extra biblical scripture to date.

You clearly don't understand the Bible.
You don't know how God dealt with His chosen people
Who were the audience of prophet Isaiah then?
Who did God bring bad times to?

kingxsamz:


This one na long story.
I already showed you the verse.
It says he creates evil, right there.

cornelboy:
You clearly don't understand the Bible.
You don't know how God dealt with His chosen people
Who were the audience of prophet Isaiah then?
Who did God bring bad times to?

Please stop!

Genesis 6:5
[5]The lord observed the extent of human wickedness on the earth, and he saw that everything they thought or imagined was consistently and totally evil.

Kobojunkiee:
What?
Here again are the questions I asked you?

1a. Where is it written that evil was invented, or even created by man abeg? Why not answer to the claims you yourself made?.

1b. Where do you read that Cain "invented" murder?
1c. Where do you read that David "invented" such killings?

2. Are you insinuating that even though Adam was given a choice between Good (obedience) and Evil (disobedience), that by choosing disobedience Adam "invented" Evil?

3. I didn't forget this at all. I am still waiting on you to show where exactly you read in scripture that man "invented" or even "created" evil. This since Evil is that which is against God's direct commandments to man.

cornelboy:

Genesis 6:5
[5]The lord observed the extent of human wickedness on the earth, and he saw that everything they thought or imagined was consistently and totally evil.

So is this the verse from where you get your idea that men "invented" or even "created" evil?

kingxsamz:

And the wickedness of ordering adults to slaughter children and babies specifically.
So there you go.

This is you shooting the ball out of the stadium (Out of Point). The issue is "and lead us not into temptation" and not "ordering adults to slaughter ..."

kingxsamz:

The foolishness of deliberately leaving harmful substances to test/tempt ignorant or inexperienced folks, even though you're omniscient.

The rightfulness of the all knowingness of God is already irrebutably proven by the billions of people who are already living and surviving all the harmful substances eg oceans, snakes, drunkenness, over eating, excess sex, excess play, excess work etc

So as I said earlier billions of people have passed the exams but pikin wey dey always fail exam na im dey always complain say "I no like exam. The exam no pure".

Did God put the evil in their mind?

Kobojunkiee:
So is this the verse from where you get your idea that men "invented" or even "created" evil?

cornelboy:
Did God put the evil in their mind?

Does God need to put Evil in the minds of anyone to begin with?

Look at Adam! All God did was give him a choice between good and evil. Did God need to put evil in Adam's mind to cause Adam to chose evil?

How did evil come to the world?

God didn't give him option between good and evil, he only told him not to eat of the tree.
It was the devil and man disobedience that brought evil to the earth!

Kobojunkiee:
Does God need to put Evil in the minds of anyone to begin with?

Look at Adam! All God did was give him a choice between good and evil. Did God need to put evil in Adam's mind to cause Adam to chose evil?

cornelboy:
1. How did evil come to the world?

2. God didn't give him option between good and evil, he only told him not to eat of the tree.
It was the devil and man disobedience that brought evil to the earth!

1. The same way good came into the world.

2. Really?

16 The Lord God gave him this command: “You may eat from any tree in the garden.
17 But you must not eat from the tree that gives knowledge about good and evil. If you eat fruit from that tree, on that day you will certainly die!” - Genesis 2 vs 16 vs 17

Doesn't that read as though an if .....else ....conditional, options?

Earlier you had mentioned something about "freewill" , so are you trying to tell us that instead God tried to force Adam to doing His Will then?

Go sit down baba.
1 Timothy 4:4
[4]Since everything God created is good, we should not reject any of it but receive it with thanks.

Evil came from man.

Kobojunkiee:
1. The same way good came into the world.

2. Really?
Doesn't that read as though an if .....else ....conditional, options?

Earlier you had mentioned something about "freewill" , so are you trying to tell us that instead God tried to force Adam to doing His Will then?