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Re: A Fatherless Man With Two Completely Different Genealogy by AntiChristian: 9:31am On Feb 25, 2022 |
GreatAxeMan: Bring the Bible verse that says Joseph copulated with Mary to give birth to Jesus. Cos that's the only way they can be related by blood! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: A Fatherless Man With Two Completely Different Genealogy by GreatAxeMan: 10:25am On Feb 25, 2022 |
Our God is not limited like Allah. God genetically made Jesus a descendant of David by divine command, not copulation. Even DNA is subject to God's will. I can understand why as a Muslim you will be obsessed with copulation since it was your prophet's favourite activity apart from plagiarizing the Bible! AntiChristian: |
Re: A Fatherless Man With Two Completely Different Genealogy by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:26pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
AntiChristian: I said "according to the Jewish custom" so you may find it wrong but amongst the Jews when a woman is married, whatever child comes out of her womb is her husband's responsibility unless the man reject such a child. But from the story Joseph claimed Jesus that's why all those living in their neighbourhood back then regarded Jesus as the son of the carpenter! Matthew 13:55 Matthew is a Jew so he surely understand their custom before leaking Jesus' genealogy to Joseph's ancestral lineage! |
Re: A Fatherless Man With Two Completely Different Genealogy by mhmsadyq(m): 4:04pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
GreatAxeMan: Interesting! |
Re: A Fatherless Man With Two Completely Different Genealogy by Kobojunkie: 6:38pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
GreatAxeMan:Can you please show scriptural backing for the claim you have there in bold? 2. Yes, the Messiah was promised from the house of David but we also know that He didn't come from the loins of Joseph. So what other connection could there be to the house of David that was not explored? 3. Both parents or His mother? Since scripture has it that it was His mother that His human aspect was derived from instead. God is True and His Word, Jesus Christ, is Truth. So it makes no sense to try to concoct lies, no matter the situation, in what is a vain attempt at defending God's Truth. God does not need men to defend Him in any way so discard this idea that doing so is some form of loyalty to Him... God is not moved by such vain ideas. |
Re: A Fatherless Man With Two Completely Different Genealogy by AntiChristian: 8:21am On Feb 26, 2022 |
GreatAxeMan: Where did God said he genetically made Jesus a descendant of David. You guys can lie for Christ o! Where did your God say all these in the Bible mentioning genetics and DNA? |
Re: A Fatherless Man With Two Completely Different Genealogy by AntiChristian: 8:24am On Feb 26, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: So Matthew and Luke linked two different genealogy from Joseph to David for Jesus who really has no biological father. How is this correct? Even if Matthew used the Jewish custom as you claim why didn't Luke use the same custom? This will never add up! |
Re: A Fatherless Man With Two Completely Different Genealogy by AntiChristian: 8:49am On Feb 26, 2022 |
PastorMIsBack: But it also didn't claim he had any father but only mother! Bring the proofs he had a father connected to him by blood as to proffer him two different genealogies as given in OP? |
Re: A Fatherless Man With Two Completely Different Genealogy by GreatAxeMan: 1:09pm On Feb 26, 2022 |
Simple. Why does Jesus have two lineages if David's genetic root was not supernaturally and divinely planted into His DNA? AntiChristian: |
Re: A Fatherless Man With Two Completely Different Genealogy by Kobojunkie: 1:11pm On Feb 26, 2022 |
GreatAxeMan:Probably directly through His mother. |
Re: A Fatherless Man With Two Completely Different Genealogy by cornelboy(f): 1:50pm On Feb 27, 2022 |
AntiChristian: We all know that Jesus was conceived without copulation. He had an earthly father Joseph the husband of Mary. Mary had other sons aside Jesus. He didn't need to be his biological father before he could father him. |
Re: A Fatherless Man With Two Completely Different Genealogy by AntiChristian: 6:19am On Mar 01, 2022 |
cornelboy: Jesus wasn't connected biologically to Joseph so how was he connected genealogically to David by two separate family trees? |
Re: A Fatherless Man With Two Completely Different Genealogy by AntiChristian: 6:20am On Mar 01, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: The mother was never mentioned in the two genealogies! Joseph was mentioned in both! |
Re: A Fatherless Man With Two Completely Different Genealogy by Kobojunkie: 6:39am On Mar 01, 2022 |
AntiChristian:So? |
Re: A Fatherless Man With Two Completely Different Genealogy by cornelboy(f): 9:20am On Mar 01, 2022 |
If you don't get it forget about. The Koran is there for you to deal with. Have you seen my post about Satan revealing part of Koran to Mohammed? And how your prophet was bewitched? AntiChristian: |
Re: A Fatherless Man With Two Completely Different Genealogy by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:00pm On Mar 01, 2022 |
AntiChristian: Are you sure? "Jacob became father to Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ" Matthew 1:16 |
Re: A Fatherless Man With Two Completely Different Genealogy by AntiChristian: 1:37pm On Mar 01, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: The Genealogy was unrelated to Mary but to her husband. Was Mary mentioned as part of the genealogy? |
Re: A Fatherless Man With Two Completely Different Genealogy by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:42pm On Mar 01, 2022 |
AntiChristian: I have explained to you but it seems you're not reading with keen interest to get the answer to your question. Matthew mentioned "Mary" because he was referring to Mary's genealogy not Joseph's that is why some names along with line did not correlate with that of Luke's account! |
Re: A Fatherless Man With Two Completely Different Genealogy by AntiChristian: 1:54pm On Mar 01, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: No it wasn't related to Mary! Eliud was the father of Eleazar, Eleazar the father of Matthan, Matthan the father of Jacob, and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. Matthew 1:15-16 Jesus Himself was about thirty years old when He began His ministry. He (Jesus) was regarded as the son of Joseph, the son of Heli, the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melchi, the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph Luke 3:23-23 |
Re: A Fatherless Man With Two Completely Different Genealogy by AntiChristian: 1:56pm On Mar 01, 2022 |
AntiChristian: Off-points! You can create a thread for that since if you can't decipher the blunder above! cornelboy: |
Re: A Fatherless Man With Two Completely Different Genealogy by cornelboy(f): 2:00pm On Mar 01, 2022 |
I have created it already na. I'm surprised you didn't see it. AntiChristian: |
Re: A Fatherless Man With Two Completely Different Genealogy by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:01pm On Mar 01, 2022 |
AntiChristian: Matthew was talking about the tradition of the Jews which states that your son in-law become your son due to marriage! 1 Like |
Re: A Fatherless Man With Two Completely Different Genealogy by AntiChristian: 2:19pm On Mar 01, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Where did Matthew state that? And how come two different genealogy and only Joseph and David is same while others are different? |
Re: A Fatherless Man With Two Completely Different Genealogy by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:47pm On Mar 01, 2022 |
AntiChristian: Joseph and Mary were both descendants of King David but one descended through Solomon (son of David) Matthew 1:6 While the other from Nathan (son of David) Luke 3:31 |
Re: A Fatherless Man With Two Completely Different Genealogy by cornelboy(f): 2:48pm On Mar 01, 2022 |
What are the names of David's sons? AntiChristian: |
Re: A Fatherless Man With Two Completely Different Genealogy by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:05pm On Mar 01, 2022 |
@ AntiChristian You can go through the genealogy again to be sure of what i'm saying, you will notice that from Abraham to David corresponds but from David down the line is where the difference is. So both Joseph and Mary are descendants of King David but their ancestors differs from the time of David as one descended through Solomon while the other descended through Nathan. Thanks for the interest you're showing in our book (Bible) |
Re: A Fatherless Man With Two Completely Different Genealogy by AntiChristian: 3:06pm On Mar 01, 2022 |
cornelboy: Questions are not to be answered with Questions in a sane society! Where did Matthew state that? And how come two different genealogy and only Joseph and David is same while others are different? |
Re: A Fatherless Man With Two Completely Different Genealogy by AntiChristian: 3:08pm On Mar 01, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: This is a lie! Never was that stated in that Luke verse Jesus Himself was about thirty years old when He began His ministry. He (Jesus) was regarded as the son of Joseph, the son of Heli, the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melchi, the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph Luke 3:23-24 |
Re: A Fatherless Man With Two Completely Different Genealogy by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:14pm On Mar 01, 2022 |
AntiChristian: Of course nah, we are saying the same thing. Jesus was REGARDED as the son of the man who raised him. So Luke's account is about Joseph's genealogy! |
Re: A Fatherless Man With Two Completely Different Genealogy by AntiChristian: 3:19pm On Mar 01, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Both account is for Joseph! None is for Mary! |
Re: A Fatherless Man With Two Completely Different Genealogy by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:20pm On Mar 01, 2022 |
AntiChristian: Please don't give yourself BP over this matter! Matthew's gospel account targeted prophecies and one of those prophecies say a "virgin will give birth to a son" so Matthew is relating that to Mary through her husband who is considered the son of Mary's father due to marriage. Luke is a physician so he focused on physics that's why he maintained that even though Joseph is not the biological father of Jesus but he was known in the society back then as Jesus' father! |
Re: A Fatherless Man With Two Completely Different Genealogy by AntiChristian: 3:23pm On Mar 01, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse:No BP! It's evident you are telling lies sir! |
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