AntiChristian:

No BP!

It's evident you are telling lies sir!

AntiChristian:

This is a lie! Never was that stated in that Luke verse

Jesus Himself was about thirty years old when He began His ministry. He (Jesus) was regarded as the son of Joseph, the son of Heli, the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melchi, the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph Luke 3:23-24

Kobojunkie:
The authors of the Gospels were jews and so felt to follow Jewish traditions when penning down his genealogy. However, in the same Gospels, we already learn that His birth did not follow Jewish tradition in any way or fòrm.

MaxInDHouse:


Are you married?

Are you a son of your in-laws due to marriage?

AntiChristian:

Yes.
I am a son to my father only!

Son-in-law has no blood relations...

AntiChristian:
So Jesus had not biological father, [b]why does the Bible give him two different genealogy to a fatherless man just to hook him up to David?[/b]

AntiChristian:


Questions are not to be answered with Questions in a sane society!

Where did Matthew state that?

And how come two different genealogy and only Joseph and David is same while others are different?

cornelboy:
Jesus did that in the Bible. He answered question with question.

King David had how many sons?

AntiChristian:


And you are not Jesus? Except if you wish to die on the cross abi na stake being killed by the government.

cornelboy:


I need to die on stake before i obey his commandments and follow his perfect lifestyle

AntiChristian:


You said Jesus answered question with question. And i ask if you can die like Jesus!

This your response no follow at all!

cornelboy:


We are saying the same thing.
Must i die on a stake before doing what he did?

AntiChristian:


Yes, you should either follow him in everything than chose whatever suits your whims! When you can't answer a question then you use style to divert the question away.

cornelboy:
Jesus'sacrificial death is very significant and it's for all mankind.
If i die no one will remember me.

I was testing your knowledge on the Bible.
Are both Nathan and Solomon the sons of David?
If you don't answer my question, there's no way you could understand my answer to your question.

AntiChristian:


Jesus will die for himself just as everyone dies for themselves.



Yes they are both sons of David.

cornelboy:
Eventually everyone will die. People that had died didn't die for themselves. They died because of Adam disobedience to Jehovah God.

Man was initially created to live forever on earth and multiply on it and dominate it forever.

Jehovah God sent Jesus to restore that perfect in the garden of Eden by laying down his life.

Only those who believe in Jehovah and His Messiah and follow their commandments will have eternal life on earth!

Note; Jesus knew his purpose all along even before he was born. Unlike Mohammed that was going from cave to cave before some God 'jam' him.

Adam disobeyed God and will answer for his disobedience alone. His sin was not transferred to me. Sin is not hereditary!

That mean God never had a plan when he created man. Or did His plan failed?

Jesus was no more than a Prophet. Many Prophet came before him. God won't support human rituals.

This even has no basis in the Bible you carry about. Where did Jesus ever say this?

So where is the proof for these? Same Jesus that was asked about the hour that said he does not know it.

AntiChristian:

cornelboy:


God intention was not to create us and then die but to live forever.
But through Adam's sin mankind inherited death.

That means that Jehovah God had plans for us but man himself failed and God still has plans for us, that's why Jesus was sent and he's still coming back.

Jesus is more than a prophet. Most prophet even testify of him.
God is against human rituals.

It's all there

Yeah he said that he doesn't know the hour, only his Father in heaven knows.
He also said he was with before the foundation of the world.

Are you saying God made a mistake or His plan failed?

Was this why God regretted in the Bible?

He is a messenger and Prophet. Which Prophet testify of him by his name?
If God sent his son to die for humans then he's supporting rituals.

That means his knowledge is limited. So he is not divine but human.
Where did he said he was with before the foundation of the world?

AntiChristian:

cornelboy:


The God of Israel warned Man that if he eats of the fruit of the tree, he will die instead of dominating the earth forever. We are not robots or programmed. We humans have free will.
It's Man that failed and God will do everything to restore earth to it original purpose.
Jesus came so that we could have eternal life and also the perfect life Adam lost.

He's coming back in his glory to fulfill God's will for earth.

If you knew God regretted Bible, you should also know why He did.

The name was given to Jesus right before he was conceived. No prophets knew his name. But all their prophecies point to him.

You should know that from the story of Abraham and his son Isaac. Moses recieved instructions on how to carry out animal sacrifice for forgiveness of sin and all that.

Is Gabriel that supposedly revealed the Koran to Mohammed human or divine?

Many verses in the bible explicitly say that he had a preexistence and was even with God from the beginning before the universe was made.

Did he know everything Allah know?

AntiChristian:
Jesus too was human and will be questioned on the last day by his Lord too.

Yeah, he's coming back to Judge you deviants!

Kobojunkie:
Not trying to hold brief for the one you are debating there but who exactly will question Jesus Christ on this last day you speak of?

AntiChristian:

The one he called his Lord and God.

Kobojunkie:
Please walk us through the events of this "last day" you speak of so we understand at what point Jesus is to be questioned and by whom.

AntiChristian:
Shebi you believe your Jesus said "Eli Eli lama Sabachthani"

It is that same Eli that will question him on the last day!

Kobojunkie:
Why would God want to question Jesus Christ though? I mean why do you assume Jesus Christ will be questioned by God?

Also, my request again was please walk us through the events of this "last day" you speak of so we understand at what point Jesus is to be questioned and by whom and why? There is no scripture to your claim and rightly so, hence the reason why I ask that you regale us with the details of your claim.

AntiChristian:
Our Scripture says so in Qur'an 5 !

116. And (remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): “O ‘Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: ‘Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah?’ ” He will say: “Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours, truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden and unseen.

117. “Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allah) did command me to say: ‘Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.’ And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a Witness to all things. (This is a great admonition and warning to the Christians of the whole world).

118. “If You punish them, they are Your slaves, and if You forgive them, verily You, only You are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise .”

119. Allah will say: “This is a Day on which the truthful will profit from their truth: theirs are Gardens under which rivers flow (in Paradise) – they shall abide therein forever. Allah is pleased with them and they with Him. That is the great success (Paradise).

God warned Adam not "Man". "Man" is different from Adam. Adam sinned and faced the consequences of his actions on his own.
Jesus too was human and will be questioned on the last day by his Lord too.

Yeah, he's coming back to Judge you deviants!

My own God is above regretting. It is only someone who makes mistakes in his works that regrets. How can God who knows everything regret? Does that even make any sense?

The Prophecy mentions that he would be called Immanuel but he was called Jesus. Prophecy dey lie?

You mean Jehovah specifically told Moses to kill cattle for sins to be forgiven?

Angels are not human.

Which verses states exactly this?

No one know all things except Allah, our creator, the Cherisher and Sustainer of all things that exists

AntiChristian:

AntiChristian:


Shebi you believe your Jesus said "Eli Eli lama Sabachthani"

It is that same Eli that will question him on the last day!

GreatAxeMan:
Just out of curiosity, whose word is to be trusted in revelation of Divine Truth?

Is it a confirmed liar, or is it someone who NEVER sinned?

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AntiChristian:


Hypocrisy is when you accepted the above about Jesus and reject that Jesus is the servant of Allah from the meaning and Tafsir of Qur'an 19:30.

Allah made Jesus as He willed. That does not mean he is God.
And that does not remove the fact that he will be questioned on the last day....

cornelboy:


When i mentioned Man [capitalized] i meant Adam.
We dont need to drag this, just stay on what is on your Koran.

Jesus had a preexistence, he was an angel before coming to the world as a man through miraculous birth and he ascended to heaven after death and resurrection to be the King of God's kingdom.

Yeah we are deviant because we are the ones following his commandments and teachings and emulating him. Use common sense.

Hmm....do you really think your god is above mistakes?

Why did he command you to show kindness to your parents no matter what in some verses and said the direct opposite in other verses?

Man brought evil upon himself. The blame is on Man not God.

Or did your perfect and all wise God create human beings to be full of evil, fight wars, die, sick, suffer and oppress one another?

Another prophecy said he will be called mighty God, everlasting Father, prince of peace, wonderful counsellor.
Just say it if you wanna learn.

It's all there in the book of Leviticus.

Jesus was an angel.
He's currently in heaven.
Your Mohammed has rotten in his grave.

From the Koran or the bible?

Your god is an imagination of Mohammed