Manlikechoba:


Was enjoying ur analysis until you made mention of somethings .... same thing goes to everyone, you that spoke,you also read it in ur own media or read it somewhere, same as him that read from another author... y'all weren't there,so stop saying things like you were there...where you in Libya or how old were you when it started,or where you in power to know all that you've said... let Libyans tell us about their country... and I know very well that you know nothing about ur own country... all these energies should be used in knowing your country and solving problems of the country... must we wait for government? Did u develop 24hrs electricity for ur home talk more of ur street... make yourself useful and leave another country alone... you read,same as others read... u never get visa to Libya, nor were you there during Gaddafi's regime....

how do one learn if not from the experience of others? Yes, I read and watch events from both sides of events and that has helped me personally and in making my own judgements.

Cos it happened in Libya which isn't my country should not make me less concerned, but that it happened close to my country should make me more concerned cos either way, and in the end the ripple effect will get to me or worse similar thing might happen here.

How will I then respond?

Ramon92:


how do one learn if not from the experience of others? Yes, I read and watch events from both sides of events and that has helped me personally and in making my own judgements.

Cos it happened in Libya which isn't my country should not make me less concerned, but that it happened close to my country should make me more concerned cos either way, and in the end the ripple effect will get to me or worse similar thing might happen here.

How will I then respond?

The little prob I have with peeps like you is the rush to denigrate anyone that tends to tilt towards being Pro-West, you guys are quick to rebuff them saying they get their news from western media (who you’ve termed propagandists) but fail to acknowledge the fact that you get your news from some form of media that other can also give names to.

In the issue of international politics, emotions have a lot more to influence than facts and this is something that’s applicable to everyone, whether pro-west or pro-east.

On Libya and Gaddafi, the reality is that the indigenous Libyan people took up arms against gaddafi, just because they’re supported by NATO doesn’t change the fact that the Libyan people led the fight against Gaddafi - Until a pro-east analyst accept this irrefutable fact about Libya, I won’t take the person serious.

joyandfaith:


Any sit-tight president is fool. And if you think you are the best as a leader to rule your country, you are paranoid. There would always be opposition and a reasonable leader shouldn’t crush opposition leaders. Gaddafi was a fool and paranoid. How many years did he spend as a ruler? How did he become persident? Election? Keep on enjoying propaganda from Eastern media

You haven't done any research on the living standards of Libyans prior to the ouster of Ghaddafi.

HolarQD:


The little prob I have with peeps like you is the rush to denigrate anyone that tends to tilt towards being Pro-West, you guys are quick to rebuff them saying they get their news from western media (who you’ve termed propagandists) but fail to acknowledge the fact that you get your news from some form of media that other can also give names to.

In the issue of international politics, emotions have a lot more to influence than facts and this is something that’s applicable to everyone, whether pro-west or pro-east.

On Libya and Gaddafi, the reality is that the indigenous Libyan people took up arms against gaddafi, just because they’re supported by NATO doesn’t change the fact that the Libyan people led the fight against Gaddafi - Until a pro-east analyst accept this irrefutable fact about Libya, I won’t take the person serious.

exactly...pro-eastern guys tend to paint everything west as bad meanwhile their eastern countries aren't anything good themselves.

HolarQD:


The little prob I have with peeps like you is the rush to denigrate anyone that tends to tilt towards being Pro-West, you guys are quick to rebuff them saying they get their news from western media (who you’ve termed propagandists) but fail to acknowledge the fact that you get your news from some form of media that other can also give names to.

In the issue of international politics, emotions have a lot more to influence than facts and this is something that’s applicable to everyone, whether pro-west or pro-east.

On Libya and Gaddafi, the reality is that the indigenous Libyan people took up arms against gaddafi, just because they’re supported by NATO doesn’t change the fact that the Libyan people led the fight against Gaddafi - Until a pro-east analyst accept this irrefutable fact about Libya, I won’t take the person serious.

Who led the fight? A CIA agent from benghazi that has always been anti Ghaddafi

Some nairalanders are mumus.

How can anyone support a tyrant like ghadaffi who ruled Libya with an iron fist?

Didn't y'all notice the jubilation that followed his death?

A man who ruled for over 42 years and didn't want to step down.

Women get killed if they dare get disvirgined,no free speech no human rights regard.

Nairalanders matter tire me.
Libya is a rich country and would still have been prosperous with or without ghadaffi,he's no genius.

Kabongo1:


You haven't done any research on the living standards of Libyans prior to the ouster of Ghaddafi.

He did well as president in first decade. Then he began talking about pan-arab nation. Later, he talked about pan-africanism. He was losing focus. He started arming militant groups in Chad. A good leader should plan for his succession. I don't believe in sit-tight leader. The end is not always nice.
How many cars are they producing in Libya? How many inventions and innovations were made by libyan scientists during his tenure as leader.
He plotted coup. He removed the king and made himself an emperor.

CoronaVirusPro:


And same you will not pick a visa to China, North Korea or Russia. You detest Westerners but won’t immigrate to those countries.

Please don’t tell me you are in Russia or North Korea at the moment.

Ignorance is not an excuse.
It's easier to pass through the eye of a needle than to get a visa to these countries you mentioned.
This NL is full with kids.

Ramon92:
Exactly, because that's what they told you and you believed. The fact is Gaddafi was loved by Libyans, don't let media tell you otherwise.

1. Gaddafi didn't allow Western companies access to Libyan oilfields, maintaining they belonged to the Libyan people and the country was on its way to becoming a great nation. (go read more about Libya under him)..
Furthermore, he didn't hide his disgust for westerners cos all their deals are exploitative which is true.

2. He was championing for a united Africa, that we can take care of ourselves without outside influence - to the extent that he proposed a United central bank for Africa (something similar to world Bank, but only to serve African interests).

3. Together with Nigerian and Malian governments, they rejected the US siting a full military base in sub Saharan Africa (similar bases springing up in NATO states for example)..

All these and more subtle tactics were single handedly challenged by Libya and angered the US. That's why they created and funded boko haram, the rebellion you mentioned and other terror groups across the Sahara lines as a future pretext for invasions - similar to how they did in the middle East (Osama bin Laden).

What other justification did they have to invade Libya? The result is there to see.

What I'm certain is that any leader the US and allies say is bad/dictator, such a leader is actually serving the interests of his people/country and a threat to their aim of global domination..

FACT!!!!

CoronaVirusPro:


Few, mostly desperate Nigerian!

Who goes to those countries if not desperation! North Korea u said? That slum! North Korea and Russia is not abroad. It’s just advanced version of Lagos state

@seun how do you get members on this site? It's getting more frustrating to find intelligent minds to have a debate with.

ednut1:
Opportunity presented itself and the west took advantage. Ghadaffi too should have been smarter. Must he rule for ever He killed himself

You don't have sense. The queen of England, how many years she is on power?

Kabongo1:


Who led the fight? A CIA agent from benghazi that has always been anti Ghaddafi

Hear yourself, so if CIA agent starts a fight other non-CIA Libyans are not interested in, why didn’t they stop the fight and protect their so much liked and revered leader Gaddafi?

Whether you accept it or not, Libyans were the ones that revolted against Gaddafi and the West only supported it because it suits their foreign policy in regards to Libya and Gaddafi

Ramon92:

As a concerned African, I'm only interested in why our continent is in this way and how we got into this mess. That's why I go back in history to know what's up and as this thread is about how a good leader that meant well for his fellow Africans is been vilified by the same westerns that portray themselves as saints and saviours.

I don't care what the Chinese or Russians do to protect their sovereignty if they feel their actions is necessary. If you like, kiss their ass and eat their shiit, the fact remains that nobody outside Africa will give a damn about Africans when the real shit eventually happens.

About Gaddafi and western hypocrisy, here are some excerpts of how Iran became a pariah state in the eyes to of the world and how it's similar to what's happening right before our eyes.

History will always repeat itself if we don't learn. Kindly correlate the events with Google as well, research more and make your own judgement..

Bro Wat up loaded, I am finding it very difficult to read

If it is a book , pls what is the title or d link to read it online

juman:
Go and read again.
He was not killed by westerners, but killed by his people.

By the help of wish ppl, I think u need to read about what happened before making a comment

May shango strike america for the death of this man. May 350 million Americans burn in hell for the suffering libyans are going through today. May Obama and his wife both die from leprosy

CoronaVirusPro:


And same you will not pick a visa to China, North Korea or Russia. You detest Westerners but won’t immigrate to those countries.

Please don’t tell me you are in Russia or North Korea at the moment.

ogun kill you and visa. Thunder strike your generation with madness. If I fit you them go use axe divide your head into two. Bastard a fool!

soundOsonic:


You don't have sense. The queen of England, how many years she is on power?

next time apply sense before you quote me apply sense. Does the queen have any constitutional power or make any political decisions U mumu

joyandfaith:


He did well as president in first decade. Then he began talking about pan-arab nation. Later, he talked about pan-africanism. He was losing focus. He started arming militant groups in Chad. A good leader should plan for his succession. I don't believe in sit-tight leader. The end is not always nice.
How many cars are they producing in Libya? How many inventions and innovations were made by libyan scientists during his tenure as leader.
He plotted coup. He removed the king and made himself an emperor.

After his death, how many cars have they produced or how many inventions and innovations have they made

Wayne4uall:


After his death, how many cars have they produced or how many inventions and innovations have they made

If he was that a good leader, he ruled for 40 years and Libya cannot boast any innovation and invention. Socialism is a disease.

Brexxit:
Some nairalanders are mumus.

How can anyone support a tyrant like ghadaffi who ruled Libya with an iron fist?

Didn't y'all notice the jubilation that followed his death?

A man who ruled for over 42 years and didn't want to step down.

Women get killed if they dare get disvirgined,no free speech no human rights regard.

Nairalanders matter tire me.
Libya is a rich country and would still have been prosperous with or without ghadaffi,he's no genius.

That was a plot the west wanted us to believe. Is stupidly unfortunately that the citizenry of Libya also feel for this trap.

He might have had his side but wasn't what they portrayed him to be.

joyandfaith:


If he was that a good leader, he ruled for 40 years and Libya cannot boast any innovation and invention. Socialism is a disease.

May be u are right but most Europe countries with invention are not better than Libya with no invention,
Libya had no external debt and its reserves amounted to $150 billion which it has been frozen up till date

CoronaVirusPro:


Here that Anybody can insult the president on TV and nothing will happen.

Imagine Nairaland was in China or North Korea, Seun would have been killed or locked up in Jail

Can you criticize the Russia, Chinese or North Korean government on TV and still be within their country? It’s a suicide mission!

You don’t talk against the government in those nations.

Go and insult bubu…. Sowore is enjoying is freedom of speech at the moment

Wayne4uall:



May be u are right but most Europe countries with invention are not better than Libya with no invention,
Libya had no external debt and its reserves amounted to $150 billion which it has been frozen up till date

There was increasing external debt from late 80. Gaddafi, Mugabe would have been in league of Nelson Mandela, Julius Nyerere, Nkrumah if he did not hold on to power for a long time-40 years. Those European nations do not have resources of Libya but priorities human resources to be relevant in the world.

Wayne4uall:

Bro Wat up loaded, I am finding it very difficult to read

If it is a book , pls what is the title or d link to read it online

Confessions of an Economic hitman by John Perkins

He is sponsoring terrorists and was involve in genocide that nearly wiped out a town in Lybia.

joyandfaith:

There was increasing external debt from late 80. Gaddafi, Mugabe would have been in league of Nelson Mandela, Julius Nyerere, Nkrumah if he did not hold on to power for a long time-40 years. Those European nations do not have resources of Libya but priorities human resources to be relevant in the world.

Libya was debt free under gadafi , u need to make ur findings b4 coming online to say way u don’t know

By the time of his killing, Libya had the highest GDP per capita and life expectancy on the continent. Fewer people lived below the poverty line than in the Netherlands


Gaddati carried out the world's largest irrigation
X project, known as the Great Man- Made River project, to
make water readily available throughout the desert
country.
If this is called "Dictatorship'
" I wonder what type of
Leadership Democrats have.

joyandfaith:


He was killing his own people. There was rebellion against him. The truth is you have to be friendly with your family and neighbours. If you don't enemies will get at you.

That's what the western media propaganda want you to believe, and it's a pity that you are one of those who believe that rubbish

Naughtysex:
That's what the western media propaganda want you to believe, and it's a pity that you are one of those who believe that rubbish

What about Eastern propaganda? Nonsense

Wayne4uall:
Libya was debt free under gadafi , u need to make ur findings b4 coming online to say way u don’t know

By the time of his killing, Libya had the highest GDP per capita and life expectancy on the continent. Fewer people lived below the poverty line than in the Netherlands


Gaddati carried out the world's largest irrigation
X project, known as the Great Man- Made River project, to
make water readily available throughout the desert
country.
If this is called "Dictatorship'
" I wonder what type of
Leadership Democrats have.

Good gdp per capita doesn't mean the country is debt free. Gaddafi was so stupid to cling on to power for 40 years . Stupid man! Mandela handed over power after 4 years. What a wise man!

joyandfaith:

What about Eastern propaganda? Nonsense

Correcting a brainwashed bingo is a waste of time.

tonididdy:

Ignorance is not an excuse.
It's easier to pass through the eye of a needle than to get a visa to these countries you mentioned.
This NL is full with kids.

The usual gibberish!

So Russian and Chinese visa is difficult to get. Just say you’re not intuned on how to go about it

Elderly man without sense!

tonididdy:


@seun how do you get members on this site? It's getting more frustrating to find intelligent minds to have a debate with.

Elderly man!

Who was fvcking craving to debate with you

Get back into your sty