AntiBMC:
Let's see if the lawless fed govt will accept their loss.

This is a great victory actually... the next thing that needs to be tackled is State policing...and then from there, regional or State’s resource control.

What loss? No be Federal law makers still pass the law? No one is quarreling, there was a lacuna in the law, & the appropriate institution meant to address it just did?

buckeyemedia:
What loss? No be Federal law makers still pass the law? No one is quarreling, there was a lacuna in the law, & the appropriate institution meant to address it just did?

Lacuna in law that lasted for how long again? Where were you with this ur big grammar then? If Wike had nuh done something about it....we won't be here. The so-called lawmakers would have kept looking the other way. It's a loss for those who have been benefiting from the so-called ”lacuna in law".

qekng40:
Wike 2 - 0 FG

Wike 3 - 0 FG actually

Federal High Court, 1
Appellate Court, 2
National Assembly, 3


We de wait for senior Bros to sign am into law.

Deadlytruth:


https://www.nairaland.com/6763977/vat-collection-why-wont-brothers

Note where Wike himself said in the report as follows:


The issue of VAT did not start from Rivers State alone,” Mr Wike said. “It started in Lagos State. Lagos challenged it in the Supreme Court. Unfortunately, Supreme Court said, look, you wouldn’t have sued the Federal Government, what you should have done was to sue the agency. We (Rivers) came up to sue the agency that you are not entitled to VAT.

You can hear it from the horse's (Wike's) mouth that Lagos started it and that the Rivers people took lessons from the outcome of the attempt made by Lagos. Please recall that Wike is a Barrister.

This should end this silly back and forth once and for all. The take away should be, when right thinking governors work together, anything is possible. Look at what just two states were able to accomplish in tandem. Imagine if half of Nigeria’s governors were like them. Nigeria will fly.

Nigerian men and lawmakers putting the women down. If this is an exclusive Yoruba national assembly, all those laws supporting women will pass. Go to any yoruba religious groups, you will find women leaders (Iya Ijo or Iya Adinni). In commerce, you will find Iya-loja or Iya-laje. In yoruba royal court, you will find Iyalode. And in Yoruba cosmology, you will find the Iyami's, the owners of the night. If you don't give them their due, you are doomed.

Nothing will work in any society where women are subjugated or put down. The Yoruba spiritual oral record by Orunmila told us what happened in the early days of creation of the earth. Olodumare sent down some divinities to come and make the earth habitable before the creation of humans. The male divinities neglected the only female divinity (Osun) in the team because in their mind they assumed because she is a female energy, her presence or input was not needed. Osun represents water. Without water there can be no life. So, when they all got to earth to perform the various tasks, nothing worked right. After all the failures, they returned and complained to Olodumare that nothing has worked for them in their assignment on earth. Then Olodumare ask them where is the female divinity (Osun) that was to join them on the assignment, they responded that they did not invite her because they assumed that her input is not required, being a female energy. Olodumare send them to go and beg Osun for forgiveness. She accepted their request for forgiveness, and returned to earth with them to work on the assignment Olodumare gave them. From then everything worked for them.

The lesson here is that nothing will work in Nigeria except our women are accorded their due. You men think you are strong? I pity you. We are in this state because foreign religions and colonialism taught us to subjugate our women (at least in Yorubaland). In Yoruba tradition, women are still accorded their rightful due. "Meji meji la da ile-aiye", meaning "the world is created in duality". Man and woman, positive and negative, good and bad. It's all intended to achieve balance. It must not lay too heavily on either side.

Look at Rwanda as a good example. I am a man myself. So far a woman behave herself, just as any individual, she must get her rightful due. We know that not all women can perform "magic" because the possibility of them performing well is high. We had a good example in Dora Akinyuli, and still in Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala. More opportunities for women mean more brilliant female achievers in government.

omohayek:

To the extent that the change in VAT collection finally starts to force these miserable excuses for "states" to start relying on taxes from their own citizens instead of FG handouts, this is actually a huge victory for accountability. There's nothing like knowing it's your taxes (and not "free" money from Abuja) that are on the line to get citizens engaged and paying close attention to what their governors are up to.

My worry about States collecting VAT is how will VAT deductions be actualized or enforced when it occurs?

I want to know your opinion. I am not sure here

Ecne:

Wike 3 - 0 FG actually
Federal High Court, 1 Appellate Court, 2 National Assembly, 3
We de wait for senior Bros to sign am into law.

Yeah, you gerrit!

grandstar:


My worry about States collecting VAT is how will VAT deductions be actualized or enforced when it occurs?

I want to know your opinion. I am not sure here

I don't see why we can't emulate the American example. Sales taxes are levied at the state level there, with each state setting its own rate (some not levying sales tax at all), and yet the IRS is still able to treat sales tax deductions across all the states in a uniform manner.

https://www.bankrate.com/taxes/sales-tax-deduction/

https://www.irs.gov/credits-deductions/individuals/use-the-sales-tax-deduction-calculator

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_taxes_in_the_United_States

The main thing is that to file a claim for the deduction, one actually has to file a tax return in the first place, which most Nigerians still don't do. Personally, I see any measure which stimulates an increase in the number of registered taxpayers as a good thing, as too much of the Nigerian economy still lies outside of the formal sector. I think this will be worthwhile even if it means a lot of poor people who currently pay nothing are forced to at least make the effort of declaring how they survive from day to day, whether by filing returns themselves or getting someone else to do so on their behalf.

Nobody likes to pay taxes, but the disconnect between taxation and government revenue is behind so much of what is wrong with Nigeria's governance in the first place. If most state and federal revenues came from VAT and personal income tax, the tendency to view high office (especially the presidency) as a means of tribal "chopping" on a "turn by turn" basis would surely decrease drastically, and people would start to pay more attention to what politicians plan to do with power rather than merely where they are from, as now it would no longer be a matter of awuff "national cake" springing without effort out of the Niger Delta's oil or from Lagos business and port taxes, but of each voter's own personal blood and sweat being frittered away, and mostly by their own local politicians to boot.

Deadlytruth:

[b]I will advise you to go study pre-independence parliament proceedings to understand how the people of the present SE and SS robbed themselves of working seaports against the Yoruba people's push for what could have proliferated seaports in those areas. [/b]Most SE and SS people are not very versed in pre-independence political history of Nigeria hence accuse Yorubas of all their rather self inflicted woes.

Do you have any source you can share with me on the bolded?

Parachoko:
Do you have any source you can share with me on the bolded?

Very many.

Wine for president...;DHisbah can now break the whole bottles... There business, their trash!!!..

Deadlytruth:

You are not correct. Lagos State started it far before Rivers ever dreamt of it. See a news as regards Lagos State and VAT war as at 2014.

Lagos State loses VAT case against FG
https://pwcnigeria.typepad.com/tax_matters_nigeria/2014/04/lagos-state-loses-vat-case-against-the-federal-government-.html

talking about something n not following d due process is called WAILING. Lagos was wailing b4.Rivers took action.

ExplorationHub:


https://punchng.com/fg-loses-out-nass-affirms-states-power-to-collect-vat/

ABEG SOMEBDY SHOULD PLS EXPLAIN THE ELECTRIVITY BILL PASSED DT STATE STATE IS ALLOWED TO GENERATE TRANSMIT ELECTRIVITY IN AREAS COVERED BY NATIONAL GRID.THE BILL IS KIND OF CONFUSING DOES IT MEAN STATE CAN NOW BRING INVESTOR TO power light in their state but with FG GOVT APPROVal

ajl:
Nigerian men and lawmakers putting the women down. If this is an exclusive Yoruba national assembly, all those laws supporting women will pass. Go to any yoruba religious groups, you will find women leaders (Iya Ijo or Iya Adinni). In commerce, you will find Iya-loja or Iya-laje. In yoruba royal court, you will find Iyalode. And in Yoruba cosmology, you will find the Iyami's, the owners of the night. If you don't give them their due, you are doomed.

Nothing will work in any society where women are subjugated or put down. The Yoruba spiritual oral record by Orunmila told us what happened in the early days of creation of the earth. Olodumare sent down some divinities to come and make the earth habitable before the creation of humans. The male divinities neglected the only female divinity (Osun) in the team because in their mind they assumed because she is a female energy, her presence or input was not needed. Osun represents water. Without water there can be no life. So, when they all got to earth to perform the various tasks, nothing worked right. After all the failures, they returned and complained to Olodumare that nothing has worked for them in their assignment on earth. Then Olodumare ask them where is the female divinity (Osun) that was to join them on the assignment, they responded that they did not invite her because they assumed that her input is not required, being a female energy. Olodumare send them to go and beg Osun for forgiveness. She accepted their request for forgiveness, and returned to earth with them to work on the assignment Olodumare gave them. From then everything worked for them.

The lesson here is that nothing will work in Nigeria except our women are accorded their due. You men think you are strong? I pity you. We are in this state because foreign religions and colonialism taught us to subjugate our women (at least in Yorubaland). In Yoruba tradition, women are still accorded their rightful due. "Meji meji la da ile-aiye", meaning "the world is created in duality". Man and woman, positive and negative, good and bad. It's all intended to achieve balance. It must not lay too heavily on either side.

Look at Rwanda as a good example. I am a man myself. So far a woman behave herself, just as any individual, she must get her rightful due. We know that not all women can perform "magic" because the possibility of them performing well is high. We had a good example in Dora Akinyuli, and still in Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala. More opportunities for women mean more brilliant female achievers in government.

WAT WOMEN NEEDNOW IS FIRST LADY REFORM DT MAKES OUR FIRST LADIES AT FG,STATE ND LG TO HANDLE GIRL SCH.WOMEN ND CHILDREN HOSPITAL ACROSS D NATION.DT WILL HELP GIRL CHILD EDUCATION ND STOP CHIRLD MORTALITY ND POLIO ONCE ND FOR ALL.DT BILLS IS LIKE FIGHTING FOR POLITICIANS WIFE MISTRESS TO TAKE SEAT IN D N ASSEMBLY ND NT D COMMON WOMEN IN NIGERIA

betshopagent:
talking about something n not following d due process is called WAILING. Lagos was wailing b4.Rivers took action.

Which dictionary told you that? Haven't you read where Wike himself gave the credit to Lagos State? Or you know Wike more than he knows himself?

Gradually we re getting there.

Deadlytruth:


Exactly. No pro-restructuring bill scaled through under Saraki Senate. He used all his powers as Senate president to oppose the executive not even for genuine public interest but for political ends. Imagine a bill as simple as devolution of powers to states failed under Saraki. Another bill on social security for the aged failed as Saraki himself argued that the Nigerian government doesn't yet have the resources to sustain such program. Saraki was a waste honestly.

But really, where is the money for Social Security for aged when we are spending N3trln on subsidy!!? Meanwhile there is subsidy also in electricity and railway.

COMPAQ:


But really, where is the money for Social Security for aged when we are spending N3trln on subsidy!!? Meanwhile there is subsidy also in electricity and railway.

Where is the money being used to finance the jumbo allowances of federal lawmakers coming from? If Saraki had done his humanly possible best to let the social security bill become law, it would have forced the government to be more accountable in the way subsidy and other wasteful policies are being funded hence free up money for social security and more fundamentally impactful policies. Imagine a situation whereby we return fully to 70% resource control by the federating units as was being done in the first republic; with just 30% revenue at the center, after paying salaries of soldiers and federal police, there will be virtually nothing left for the FG to waste on, bogus legislature allowances, subsidies, amnesty to Boko Haram and militia groups in general, etc. hence the FG would be compelled to judiciously utilize funds at the center while the states would be compelled to partner together to build refineries to the disappearance of the need for subsidy.

Deadlytruth:
He is explaining to you that Wike studied the judgement given in the case of Lagos and used it as a guide in his own suit. If Lagos had not set the precedent, Wike wouldn't have had any judgement to use as a guide hence would have lost too.

Yes, I understand better now.
Thanks.

garfield1:
The lawan led nass is better than the saraki led nass... it means the VAT is on the concurrent list

They didn't touch it....they left it at status quo.

For now the FG has been operating the VAT like it's on the Exclusive List.