plaetton:

I am an athiests, so there is no christian perspective on what I have written, ]

Heaven and Hell are not christian perspectives?

plaetton:

I am an athiests, so there is no christian perspective on what I have written, and also, have not stated them be absolute facts, just conjectures from the little we know about energy and how energy interacts.

So you took E= MC2 and warped it to fit your preconceived ideas about the universe and conciousness. 

plaetton:

Quantum physics is new area that promises to show more light, mathematical and quantifiable knowledge ,about things that have , hitherto , been religated to the realms of spiritual and religious mysteries.
That was my main point.

Who are these Quantum Physicists that are concerned or trying to "shed light" on spiritual and religious mysteries.

What are the ideas of Quantum Physics?
Energy is not continuous, but comes in small but discrete units. 1
The elementary particles behave both like particles and like waves. 2
The movement of these particles is inherently random. 3
It is physically impossible to know both the position and the momentum of a particle at the same time. The more precisely one is known, the less precise the measurement of the other is.4
The atomic world is nothing like the world we live in.

Where do the spiritual/ religious mysteries fit in?

plaetton:

I wonder why you need the protiens of dead animals to survive. If the proteins were as dead as the animals, of what use would it be to your body?.

What is your point? We are nourished by eating meat? So I should thank the steak on my plate before eating it? You must have been watching Avatar too.

plaetton:

Aside from gamma rays, we are exposed to a whole slew of both benign and harmful radiation from the sun and all over the universe. Do you deny this?

What does this have to do with your "soul"?

plaetton:

Studies have noticed a graphical corrolation between sun-spot radiation cycles and fertility, famine, wars and even the rise and fall of civilisations.

Source?

plaetton:

UEG or UQFC , doesn't matter.Dont be too hung up the nomencleture. A rose by any other name is still a rose.

Those Conjecture Roses.

1-the soul is melanin. it dies with the body
2-the spirit has existed before you are born and is recycled into a new body every 3rd or 4th generation. inbetween reincarnations it is at rest with the lord ecclesiastes 12 vs 7
3-a soul is 'physical' while spirit is spiritual
4-only humans have soul. some more than others (whites have less soul). animals have no soul

buzugee:

1-the soul is melanin. it dies with the body

You have a point there!!!! That's why they say black people got SOUL!!!!!!!
A skin pigment (substance that gives the skin its color). Dark-skinned people have more melanin than light- skinned people.

buzugee:

2-the spirit has existed before you are born and is recycled into a new body every 3rd or 4th generation. inbetween reincarnations it is at rest with the lord ecclesiastes 12 vs 7

Crack is Whack!!!

buzugee:

3-a soul is 'physical' while spirit is spiritual

I don't think you know the meaning of the word "Physical".

buzugee:

4-only humans have soul. some more than others (whites have less soul). animals have no soul

Can't argue with that!

buzugee:

4-only humans have soul. some more than others (whites have less soul). animals have no soul

its not just whites. i have done considerable research and according to my theory, all mixed peoples have less soul. the more mixed, the lesser the soul. ofcourse there is a connection of the materialistic body with the immaterialistic soul. or else they would never have existed together. the same applies to animals (the hybrid ones). that is why AAs and whites seem to have lesser soul.

Martian:

You have a point there!!!! That's why they say black people got SOUL!!!!!!!
A skin pigment (substance that gives the skin its color). Dark-skinned people have more melanin than light- skinned people.

Crack is Whack!!!

I don't think you know the meaning of the word "Physical".

Can't argue with that!

physical can be seen. you can see melanin.

buzugee:

physical can be seen. you can see melanin.

And we have a winner. Melanin is the soul.
I quit. lol

PAGAN 9JA:

its not just whites. i have done considerable research and according to my theory, all mixed peoples have less soul. the more mixed, the lesser the soul. ofcourse there is a connection of the materialistic body with the immaterialistic soul. or else they would never have existed together. the same applies to animals (the hybrid ones). that is why AAs and whites seem to have lesser soul.

Nairaland.

PAGAN  9JA:

its not just whites. i have done considerable research and according to my theory, all mixed peoples have less soul. the more mixed, the lesser the soul. ofcourse there is a connection of the materialistic body with the immaterialistic soul. or else they would never have existed together. the same applies to animals (the hybrid ones). that is why AAs and whites seem to have lesser soul.

if you say so  

@martian:

Dont get too excited. We are all here to offer perspectives.
What are your perspectives on soul , spirit and god?

Martian:

And we have a winner. Melanin is the soul.
I quit. lol

plaetton:

@martian:
Dont get too excited. We are all here to offer perspectives.

I'm not excited,  I'm here laughing to myself reading all the differenct perspectives. Uyi brought the topic back up anyway, I didn't.

plaetton:

What are your perspectives on soul , spirit and god?

Soul- what early thinkers thought powered the human body. Keep in mind  that these people also thought the heart was the organ that performed the brain's functions. It was probably made up as a placebo to deal with death and a way for humans to overcome loss and non existence.

Spirit- Same as soul

God- The entity primitive people used to describe the causes of natural phenomena that they were ignorant of. The psychological placebo humans use to deal with their existential crisis.

1)Lightning and Thunder? The Gods must be mad, lets sacrifice a chicken.
2)Flood? Lets go to the river and appease the river goddess
3)Earthquakes?-We better sacrifice a virgin.

When Aten didn't understand nuclear fussion, he thought the sun was a diety that gave a damn about him. You don't think the sun gives a damn about you, do you?

mazaje:

Pretending to know what you don't and making things as you go is the name of the game

Okay.

mazaje:
. . . Back in the days the ancient men that created the religions and gave us the concept of the soul all thought that reasoning, emotions and thoughts all come from the heart based on the simple fact that when you are anxious, tensed, angry or agitated you heart beats faster . . .

Agreed. I reserve a measure of doubt though.

mazaje:
They didn't know that the human brain is responsible for thought, reasoning and emotions and controls all functions of the body both voluntary and involuntary. . . .

I agree it controls voluntary & involuntary body functions. But thoughts, reasoning, & emotions aren't a function of the brain. They are expressed through a brain, note that. This is why AI isn't impossible & this is particularly why we know how people thought way back. They found a material means of preserving their thoughts eg in hieroglyphics, in cuneiform, as folklores or myths etc. Put simply, even if there were no brains at all thoughts, emotions & reasoning exist. Consider these questions:

* When you were but a zygote in your mum's womb, yet to have a brain, did thoughts, reasoning etc cease to exist ?
* Do you even know when you started thinking ?
* What are the earliest memories of yourself as a child ? What was doing the preserving your brain or an intangible you ?

mazaje:
LMAO while reading what Jenwitemi and Uyi Iredia have written. . . .

I dey laff 

Martian:

Is the Universal Energy Grid (UEG) the same as Jenwitemi's Unified Quantum Field of Conciousness (UQFC) ?

You like science abi ! Google 'Boltzmann brain problem'

Uyi Iredia:

You like science abi ! Google 'Boltzmann brain problem'

And??
I hope you don't expect a discussion about something cosmologists themselves are skeptical about and can't even articulate themselves.

Are you now going to take this and stretch and distort it into some absurd concoction of superstitious conjectures?

This bizarre picture is the outcome of a recent series of calculations that take some of the bedrock theories and discoveries of modern cosmology to the limit. Nobody in the field believes that this is the way things really work, however. And so in the last couple of years there has been a growing stream of debate and dueling papers, replete with references to such esoteric subjects as reincarnation, multiple universes and even the death of spacetime, as cosmologists try to square the predictions of their cherished theories with their convictions that we and the universe are real. The basic problem is that across the eons of time, the standard theories suggest, the universe can recur over and over again in an endless cycle of big bangs, but it’s hard for nature to make a whole universe. It’s much easier to make fragments of one, like planets, yourself maybe in a spacesuit or even — in the most absurd and troubling example — a naked brain floating in space. Nature tends to do what is easiest, from the standpoint of energy and probability. And so these fragments — in particular the brains — would appear far more frequently than real full-fledged universes, or than us. Or they might be us.
Alan Guth, a cosmologist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who agrees this overabundance is absurd, pointed out that some calculations result in an infinite number of free-floating brains for every normal brain, making it “infinitely unlikely for us to be normal brains.” Welcome to what physicists call the Boltzmann brain problem, named after the 19th-century Austrian physicist Ludwig Boltzmann, who suggested the mechanism by which such fluctuations could happen in a gas or in the universe. Cosmologists also refer to them as “freaky observers,” in contrast to regular or “ordered” observers of the cosmos like ourselves. Cosmologists are desperate to eliminate these freaks from their theories, but so far they can’t even agree on how or even on whether they are making any progress.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/15/science/15brain.html?pagewanted=all

Martian:

Just another idea from an era when people thought the earth was the center of the universe.

An idea exists. The earth could well have been the center of the universe. Consider this: I think of a pink unicorn. I proceed to materialize this thought by drawing it. I take it a step further by sculpting it. I proceed yet again by using contraptions to make a  unicorn that can move, run etc. I go much farther by using plausible genetic engineering methods to make a[b] pink unicorn replete with horns & hooves which can reproduce[/b]. Which of these pink unicorns is the real one ?

Martian:
What?

What's your problem with my statement ?

Martian:
Now the soul is a schism? Schism between who or what?
So the spirit doesn't like the body and it turns into a soul?

No. The soul is a spirit in a context the material world. Think of it the spirit like say, the code in the mind of a programmer & the soul as the code as on the hard disk. Any programmer knows that the implementation of a program is impeded by materials. The dilemma of the soul is simple. It is a spirit limited by the context therein which it exists. This context is Nature a posteriori. Consider this: A color-blind person is known to see only black & white, does this mean that colors don't exist ?

Martian:
I beg to defer. I love watching Animal shows and you can't tell me that Solo the Lion doesn't have a soul. What is good enough for man is good enough for lions.

I will agree animals have souls, if you agree that computers, stones, viruses, bacteria & sponges have souls. Just so you know, the sponge is an animal, not a plant.

Martian:
Souls have no location anyway. You said it.

Yeah ! It has no location in the same way logic, beauty & reason have no physical location.

Martian:
And after reading your definitions, this is how much sense they made to me.
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It is only a person with sense that can note senselessness. Just so you know, the text you typed could jolly well be a cipher.

Martian:
Just more assumptions, afterall this is Metaphysics

I hope you know the study of Physics is based on the metaphysical, to the extent that, it is based on the human mind.

Martian:

And??
I hope you don't expect a discussion about something cosmologists themselves are skeptical about and can't even articulate themselves.

Are you now going to take this and stretch and distort it into some absurd concoction of superstitious conjectures?

Absurdity is a logical construct. Define absurdity. I pointed out Boltzmann's Brain so you know the absurdity to be seen in science. How can nothing fluctuate & give rise to a universe with brains ?

@Martian:
As per your earlier request for source, there are several sources, but here is just one of the many.



Tags: Borderlands, Borderlands 2000 1/4, Cycle 23, James Borges, solar, sun, sunspots
.Article by James Borges, originally published in Journal of Borderland Research (Vol. LVI, No. 1, 2000, First Quarter)

The recent Solar Maximum gives us a wonderful opportunity to observe the Sun in action. Borderland Sciences has been investigating the relationship of the Sun and human behaviour for many years, and we are quite confident that we can predict behaviours based on sunspot fluctuations over very short and long durations within the Solar Cycle of 11 years. Historically, research has been conducted to link the 11 year cycle of the sun to changes in human behavior and society. The most famous research had been done by professor A.L. Tchijevsky, a Russian scientist, who presented a paper to the American Meteorological Society at Philadelphia in the late 19th century. He prepared a study of the history of mass human movement compared to the solar cycle, beginning with the division of the Solar cycle into four parts: 1) Minimum sunspot activity; 2) increasing sunspot activity; 3) maximum sunspot activity; 4) Decreasing sunspot activity. He then divided up the agitation of mass human movements into five phases:

1.provoking influence of leaders upon masses
2.the “exciting” effect of emphasized ideas upon the masses
3.the velocity of incitability due to the presence of a single psychic center
4.the extensive areas covered by mass movements
5.Integration and individualization of the masses
By these comparisons he constructed an “Index of Mass Human Excitability” covering each year from 500 B.C. to 1922 A.D. He investigated the histories of 72 countries in that period, noting signs of human unrest such as wars, revolutions, riots, expeditions and migrations, plus the number of humans involved. Tchijevsky found that fully 80% of the most significant events occurred during the years of maximum sunspot activity. He maintained that the “exciting” period may be explained by an acute change in the nervous and psychic character of humanity, which takes place at sunspot maxima.

Tchijevsky discovered that the solar minimum is the lag period when repression is tolerated by the masses, as if they lacked the vital energy to make the needed changes. He found that during the sunspot maximum, the movement of humans is also at its peak. Tchijevsky’s study is the foundation of sunspot theory on human behavior, and as Harlan True Stetson, in his book Sunspots and Their Effects (available from BSRF), stated, “Until, however, someone can arrive at a more convincing excitability quotient for mass movements than professor Tchijevsky appears yet to have done, scientists will be reluctant to subscribe to all the conclusions which he sets forth.” Stetson did acknowledge that the mechanism by which ultraviolet radiation is absorbed was still a puzzle biologists had to solve.

The mechanism behind the stimulation of human behavior is still a mystery, but the theories of Georges Lakhovsky may shed some light. He considered his book, “The Secret of Life” (reprinted by BSRF), the extension of a scientific hypothesis of a new theory of life. The Sun is one of Earth’s primary sources of cosmic radiation. While the Sun does produce its own radiations, solar winds actually capture passing cosmic dust and radiation and blow it into the earth’s atmosphere. While it may seem frightening to some, this can actually be considered the Primal Vibration that sets the cells vibrating with Vital Force. This is the Prana, that Cosmic Breath, which is meant to vitalize man, and is the source for our evolution.

Dr. George Crile, a distinguished American surgeon, studied the sun in light of its radiant energy. In the ‘Preliminary Remarks’ to Lakhovsky’s The Secret of Life, Professor d’Arsonval quotes Crile: “It is clear that radiation produces the electrical current which operates adaptively the organism as a whole, producing memory, reason, imagination, emotion, the special senses, secretions, muscular action, the response to infection, normal growth, and the growth of benign tumours and cancers, all of which are governed adaptively by the electric charges that are generated by the short wave or ionizing radiation in protoplasm.”

He felt that the entire energy system of living beings is controlled by radiant energy and electrical forces. D’Arsonval points out that Lakhovsky and Crile found that living cells are electrical cells functioning as system of generators, inductance lines, and insulators. The underlying mechanism is the oscillating circuit. An oscillating circuit is a circuit containing inductance and capacity, which when supplied energy from an external source, is set in electrical vibration and oscillates at its natural frequency. D’Arsonval explains further that a conductor is said to possess inductance if a current flowing through it causes a magnetic field to be set up round it. The capacity of a condenser of an isolated body is a measure of the charge of the quantity of electricity it is capable of storing. From such a circuit, energy is readily given off in the form of waves. According to Lakhovsky, the nucleus of a living cell may be compared to an electrical oscillating circuit. The nucleus consists of tubular filaments, chromosomes, mitochondria, made up of insulating material and filled with a conducting fluid containing all the mineral salts found in sea water. These filaments are thus comparable to oscillating circuits endowed with capacity according to a specific frequency.

The cosmic radiation from the Sun is a blessing of Vital Force. As Lakhovsky has postulated, it is the cosmic radiations that give the cells their vibrant oscillations. While the sunspot maxima is occurring, the solar flares and the subsequent geo-magnetic reactions effect the many subtle reactions that take place within our bodies at the atomic level. It has been theorized that this has a direct relationship to the metabolism of the body. We know it is the subtle magnetism of positive and negative charges that pulls certain particles across membranes in cells to produce energy. These magnetic exchanges result in the stimulation of enzymes and the production of energy like ATP. The increase of penetrating waves during a solar storm causes an excitation in these electro-chemical reactions within the body. Tchijevsky also identified correlations between changes in solar magnetic activity with biological processes. In light of Lakhovsky’s theory in his own words, “…with the aid of elementary analogies, that the cell, essential organic unit in all living beings, is nothing but an electromagnetic resonator, capable of emitting and absorbing radiations of very high frequency.” A plausible mechanism is provided to understanding the stimulating effects the radiation from the Sun has on human behavior. In an abstract entitled “Automated Experiment on Macro-fluctuation Monitoring” Bruns A.V.& Visolimsky B.M. also find a close relationship with the solar activity and bio-chemical reactions. “Phenomenologically obtained data could be treated like an effect of the surface (controlled by solar activity) on the physico-chemical kinetics. This effect was realized, evidently through the mechanisms close to nuclear magnetic resonance in geomagnetic field.” In another historical study Suitbert Ertel writes in his article “Synchronous Bursts of Activity in Independent Cultures; Evidence for Extraterrestrial Connections” that evidence has been reported suggesting a link between historical oscillations of scientific creativity and solar cyclic variation. Eddy’s discovery of abnormal secular periods of solar inactivity (Maunders minimum type) offered the opportunity to put the present hypothesis to a crucial test. Using time series of flourish years of creators in science, literature, and painting (A.D. 600-1800) It was found as expected:

1.Cultural flourish curves show marked discontinuities (bursts) after the onset of secular solar excursions synchronously in Europe and China;
2.during periods of extended solar excursions, bursts of creativity in painting, literature, and science succeeded one another with lags of about 10-15 years;
3.The reported regularities of cultural output are prominent throughout with eminent creators. They decrease with ordinary professionals. The hypothesized extraterrestrial connection of human culture has thus been strengthened.
The evidence seems to show that during the maxima of sunspot activity human behavior is stimulated.

There is some Russian research that shows an increase in cardiac problems during sunspot maxima. The solar activity probably sets off a preexisting condition and no one is suggesting that people will drop dead in the streets. We could see the stress of solar activity on the biology of living things as an evolutionary agent weeding out the old and sick and strengthening those who can resonate with its radiations. In his ‘Preliminary remarks to Lakhovsky’s The Secret of Life the Professor d’Arsonval gives several examples of research done in the last hundred years that shows the most malefic effects from solar activity come at the sunspot minima. He notes from the British Medical Journal, March 7th & 14th of 1936 that both Colonel C.A. Gill and Dr. Conyers Morrel found increases in pandemics of deadly diseases during the period of minimal sunspot activity. In Gill’s study he showed that every pandemic of malaria since sunspot records were taken had occurred when sunspot numbers were lowest. Similar trends were observed in East Africa and elsewhere with Yellow fever epidemics since 1800 occur during the sunspot minima. Dr. Conyers Morrel also finds that, “…waves of epidemic diseases covering considerable periods exhibit a very close correspondence with the phases of sunspot periods. Diphtheria, Typhus, and Dysentery seemed to prosper when there was an absence of solar activity. We also see an increase in disease in Solco W. Tromp’s study. Without the stimulation from the Sun human health seems to diminish. The immune system seems to grow unresponsive during the solar lull and diseases can more easily gain a foothold in the body. Not only human health but Life itself seems hampered by the lack of solar activity. William Hershel wrote in 1801, “It seems probable analyzing the period between 1650 and 1713, and judging by the normal yields of wheat, that a scarcity of vegetation occurred whenever the sun appeared to be free from spots.” The depressed state of metabolism and lack of food in agricultural centers may have seemed very inviting to the Mongols. Goncharov, in an abstract on the “Asian Nomadic Invasions and Solar Cycles”, aid, “From the 4th to the 16th centuries the Central Asian Steepe was the cradle of the series of great nomadic tribal invasions into agricultural regions of Europe, China, and South Asia. Those invasions had similar features. They arose in middle latitudes and recurred every 160-220 years – exactly after solar abatements.”



References
Moore, Carol, Sunspot Cycles and Activist Strategy, http://www.kreative.net/carolmoore/sunspot-article.html
Lakhovsky, Georges, The Secret of Life, BSRF, 1985
Petersen, William, Man, Weather, Sun, John Anderson Publishing Company, Chicago, 1947
Stetson, Harlan True, Sunspots in Action, The Ronald Press Company, New York, 1947
Stetson, Harlan True, Sunspots and Their Effects, McGraw-Hill, New York, 1937
Botezat-Antonescu, L., Predeanu I., “Possible Heliogeophysical Influence on Human Health in Romania” (Abstract), Relations of Biological and Physicochemical Processes with Solar Activity and Other Environmental Factors, 1993
Breus T.K., Halberg F. and Cornelissen G., “Effect of the Solar Activity on the Physiological Rhythms of Human Being” (Abstract), Relations of Biological and Physicochemical Processes with Solar Activity and Other Environmental Factors, 1993
Ertel, Suitber, Solar Activity and Bursts of Human Creativity, http://www.knowledge.co.uk/frontiers/sf067p17.html
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Goncharov, G.G., “Asian Nomads Invasions and Solar Cycles” (Abstract), Relations of Biological and Physicochemical Processes with Solar Activity and Other Environmental Factors, 1993

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Uyi Iredia:

An idea exists. The earth could well have been the center of the universe. Consider this: I think of a pink unicorn. I proceed to materialize this thought by drawing it. I take it a step further by sculpting it. I proceed yet again by using contraptions to make a  unicorn that can move, run etc. I go much farther by using plausible genetic engineering methods to make a[b] pink unicorn replete with horns & hooves which can reproduce[/b]. Which of these pink unicorns is the real one ?

None of them, only my Leprechaun is real.

Uyi Iredia:

What's your problem with my statement ?

No problem at all, it made sense just like your idea about pink unicorns.

Uyi Iredia:

No. The soul is a spirit in a context the material world. Think of it the spirit like say, the code in the mind of a programmer & the soul as the code as on the hard disk. Any programmer knows that the implementation of a program is impeded by materials. The dilemma of the soul is simple. It is a spirit limited by the context therein which it exists. This context is Nature a posteriori. Consider this: A color-blind person is known to see only black & white, does this mean that colors don't exist ?

Actually, a soul turns into a Body Thetan. This context is Nature a posteriori. Ask Tom Cruise.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_thetan

Uyi Iredia:

I will agree animals have souls, if you agree that computers, stones, viruses, bacteria & sponges have souls. Just so you know, the sponge is an animal, not a plant.

Rocks and even the sh#t i took this morning have souls. Everything has a soul. Matter of fact, there are free souls floating around that are not impeded by bodies.There's one behind you now!
And just so you know, the Dog is an animal, not a fruit.

Uyi Iredia:

Yeah ! It has no location in the same way logic, beauty & reason have no physical location.

Logic, beauty and reason are all subjective and prone to the beliefs and philosophical leanings of the person that has to use logic and reason or judge beauty. Just like a "soul" and what it means depends on the spiritual or religious leanings of whoever is trying to convince himself that he has one. It has no location (according to you) because it doesn't exist.

Uyi Iredia:

It is only a person with sense that can note senselessness. Just so you know, the text you typed could jolly well be a cipher.

Of course its a cipher. A cipher for 348267409YOU852@#%$$$^#^*(*&T%UY#%$&^&**T*&ARE%#%^#DFGH$^^#%**AN^%*(ARE$$$^$%##$$%%%A^^JACK$^^%$&$%$&$&Bottom%$@#$#%$%$%$#%%^$%$&%^.

Uyi Iredia:

I hope you know the study of Physics is based on the metaphysical, to the extent that, it is based on the human mind.

Where? Convenant University?

Uyi Iredia:

Absurdity is a logical construct. Define absurdity. I pointed out Boltzmann's Brain so you know the absurdity to be seen in science. How can nothing fluctuate & give rise to a universe with brains ?

I don't think science or scientists are infallible and I pointed out that your Strawman Boltzmann brain is not a hypothesis that is really been taken seriously but you chose to ignore that and say, "Define absurdity". Why don't you use a dictionary?

My definitions of absurdity are Uyi Iredia, Boltzmann's brain and Boltzmann's floating nutsack.

This bizarre picture is the outcome of a recent series of calculations that take some of the bedrock theories and discoveries of modern cosmology to the limit. Nobody in the field believes that this is the way things really work

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/15/science/15brain.html?pagewanted=all

Martian:

None of them, only my Leprechaun is real.

It really doesn't matter. I can draw your leprachaun you know.

Martian:
No problem at all, it made sense just like your idea about pink unicorns.

Good ! You are making sense now.

Martian:
Actually, a soul turns into a Body Thetan. This context is Nature a posteriori. Ask Tom Cruise.

Not the soul really since as I said it has no location. I think something more realistic is that a soul comes from 2 other souls. Those souls evolved from nothing.

Martian:
Rocks and even the sh#t i took this morning have souls.

Yes, I agree. After all rocks tell us the age of the earth, they allow us build houses on them, they don't complain when we search them for treasures. We can as well worship rocks, agreed ?

Martian:
Everything has a soul. Matter of fact, there are free souls floating around that are not impeded by bodies.

Where did you get the idea that there a souls floating around ? I simply treated the idea of souls as a real thing.

Martian:
There's one behind you now!

Unfortunately, it's invisible & intangible.

Martian:
And just so you know, the Dog is an animal, not a fruit.

Said who ? The dog is the slave of a taskmaster, it is food for Calabar people & man's best friend at the same time. Grouse !

Martian:
Logic, beauty and reason are all subjective and prone to the beliefs and philosophical leanings of the person that has to use logic and reason or judge beauty.

Yes, but they objectively exist even though, no one man has seen logic or beauty. They simply say things are logical or beautiful.

Martian:
Just like a "soul" and what it means depends on the spiritual or religious leanings of whoever is trying to convince himself that he has one.

No ! I have said the soul is a schism of the spirit in the material world. When you can see the soul for what it is a nothing that amounts to something, you'll begin to get the idea. Mr Martian, are you your brain, I am speaking to neurological patterns in your brain, or you ?

Martian:
It has no location (according to you) because it doesn't exist.

No ! It exists. It simply exists without having no physical location. The way the picture in your hard drive has no physical location. The thing is your computer sees a bunch of electromagnetical 1's & 0's and represents it as a picture. You can delete the picture in the hard drive whilst the picture still exists, ni .

Martian:
Of course its a cipher. A cipher for 348267409YOU852@#%$$$^#^*(*&T%UY#%$&^&**T*&ARE%#%^#DFGH$^^#%**AN^%*(ARE$$$^$%##$$%%%A^^JACK$^^%$&$%$&$&Bottom%$@#$#%$%$%$#%%^$%$&%^.

Yeah, call me the jackass kangoroo or Leo Luster. My name means 'respect' though. I salute you !

Martian:
Where? Convenant University?

Not convenant !Covenant University. Everybody says the study of physics is dependent on a non-tangible, non-existent mind. Do you agree ?

Uyi Iredia:

It really doesn't matter. I can draw your leprachaun you know.

Good ! You are making sense now.

Not the soul really since as I said it has no location. I think something more realistic is that a soul comes from 2 other souls. Those souls evolved from nothing.

Yes, I agree. After all rocks tell us the age of the earth, they allow us build houses on them, they don't complain when we search them for treasures. We can as well worship rocks, agreed ?

Where did you get the idea that there a souls floating around ? I simply treated the idea of souls as a real thing.

Unfortunately, it's invisible & intangible.

Said who ? The dog is the slave of a taskmaster, it is food for Calabar people & man's best friend at the same time. Grouse !

Yes, but they objectively exist even though, no one man has seen logic or beauty. They simply say things are logical or beautiful.
No ! I have said the soul is a schism of the spirit in the material world. When you can see the soul for what it is a nothing that amounts to something, you'll begin to get the idea. Mr Martian, are you your brain, I am speaking to neurological patterns in your brain, or you ?

No ! It exists. It simply exists without having no physical location. The way the picture in your hard drive has no physical location. The thing is your computer sees a bunch of electromagnetical 1's & 0's and represents it as a picture. You can delete the picture in the hard drive whilst the picture still exists, ni .

Yeah, call me the jackass kangoroo or Leo Luster. My name means 'respect' though. I salute you !

Not convenant !Covenant University. Everybody says the study of physics is dependent on a non-tangible, non-existent mind. Do you agree ?

Ok, continue to dicuss with your mates at convenant Covenant "University" about these ideas and maybe discuss it with your christian leaders and they can use some of the tithes and offerings to help genetically engineer your pink unicorn. You bore me with your faux education lol.

Uyi Iredia:

[s]No ! I have said the soul is a schism of the spirit in the material world. When you can see the soul for what it is a nothing that amounts to something, you'll begin to get the idea[/s]. Mr Martian, are you your brain, I am speaking to neurological patterns in your brain, or you ?

This is the only sensible thing you've said. I wonder that too, but I don't have the necessary skills or background to do the research so I rely on findings of neuroscientists and read them to see if they are making sense AND how they come to their conclusions. Even they don't know the nature of conciousness at this time and the last person I'll take serious concerning the brain is a christian yapping about souls.

Martian:

This is the only sensible thing you've said. I wonder that too, but I don't have the necessary skills or background to do the research so I rely on findings of neuroscientists and read them to see if they are making sense or not. Even they don't know the nature of conciousness and the last person I'll take serious concerning the brain is a christian yapping about souls.

So we can agree that the only brains which exist are: i) the brains of people who died, ii0 the brains which are living & dying & iii) the brains of the next generation, do you agree ?

Uyi Iredia:

So we can agree that the only brains which exist are: i) the brains of people who died, ii0 the brains which are living & dying & iii) the brains of the next generation, do you agree ?

Martian:

the last person I'll take serious concerning the brain is a christian yapping about souls.

I. Don't.Give.A.F#ck.About.What.You.Think.About.ANYTHING.

Martian:

I don't think science or scientists are infallible and I pointed out that your Strawman Boltzmann brain is not a hypothesis that is really been taken seriously but you chose to ignore that and say, "Define absurdity". Why don't you use a dictionary?

My definitions of absurdity are Uyi Iredia, Boltzmann's brain and Boltzmann's floating nutsack.

This bizarre picture is the outcome of a recent series of calculations that take some of the bedrock theories and discoveries of modern cosmology to the limit. Nobody in the field believes that this is the way things really work

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/15/science/15brain.html?pagewanted=all

You just defined absurdity without using a dictionary, mr wise guy ? So the scientists don't believe in the Boltzmann's theories they profess to know, abi ? I say scientists are dullards.

Martian:

I. Don't.Give.A.F#ck.About.What.You.Think.About.ANYTHING.

So your so called challenge amounts to: I. Don't.Give.A.F#ck.About.What.You.Think.About.ANYTHING. I hope you don't give a Bleep about heaven, Jeebus or 'Martians & Goblins'.