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To All God-believers by onetrack(m): 9:42pm On Jul 07, 2015
Believers in god are always saying that atheists will call on some god if they feel they are about to die (like a plane that starts to crash). My question for you is this:

Say you start choking on a piece of meat. Will you ask someone to help you remove the piece of meat from your throat or will you ask them to pray for you? Simple answer is all that is needed.

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Re: To All God-believers by podosci(m): 9:44pm On Jul 07, 2015
When they have malaria, do they go to the doctor or do they go to the church?
Re: To All God-believers by Nobody: 9:47pm On Jul 07, 2015
This must really be a big issue for u! Okay lemme ask you. You walk thru a desert and along the way u meet a well furnished building in the middle of the desert, well furnished and functioning. Would u conclude that it fell from the sky or that someone actually took time to design and construct that building and he had something in mind for constructing it in a desert.

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Re: To All God-believers by DonCortino: 9:53pm On Jul 07, 2015
vfactor:
This must really be a big issue for u! Okay lemme ask you. You walk thru a desert and along the way u meet a well furnished building in the middle of the desert, well furnished and functioning. Would u conclude that it fell from the sky or that someone actually took time to design and construct that building and he had something in mind for constructing it in a desert.
very dumb analogy. go to the desert in uae n see spring coming out of the ground, forest in the dersert, ponds in dersert (all man made).
So to the very dumb analogy u gave, i will conclude that someone took his time to design it!
Re: To All God-believers by johnydon22(m): 10:04pm On Jul 07, 2015
vfactor:
This must really be a big issue for u! Okay lemme ask you. You walk thru a desert and along the way u meet a well furnished building in the middle of the desert, well furnished and functioning. Would u conclude that it fell from the sky or that someone actually took time to design and construct that building and he had something in mind for constructing it in a desert.
And how did the concept of design relate to the topic exactly

again how can you reconcile your analogy of a house which is an inanimate structure with the universe which is biological..?
The universe is biological so your analogy of a house is totally flawed and childish. .

Get a right thread for that next time
Re: To All God-believers by Nobody: 10:05pm On Jul 07, 2015
DonCortino:

very dumb analogy. go to the desert in uae n see spring coming out of the ground, forest in the dersert, ponds in dersert (all man made).
So to the very dumb analogy u gave, i will conclude that someone took his time to design it!

Good! Every reasonable person would conclude that!

Now so far, no other planet can sustain life like planet earth, at least non that science has discovered. In fact our earth is like a well furnished building in a lifeless desert, when compared to our solar system and milky way galaxy. We have food to sustain us, water, air and other beautiful sceneries we enjoy; sunsets, beaches, etc. Water cycle, oxygen/carbon dioxide cycle, etc.

Would it be reasonable to conclude that all these came along by chance? Or was it not designed and constructed by someone, who had a purpose in mind, just like the magnificent buildings in the desert? Give an answer and you would see that analogy is not so dumb, rather u jumped into hurried, premature conclusion.

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Re: To All God-believers by Nobody: 10:08pm On Jul 07, 2015
johnydon22:

And how did the concept of design relate to the topic exactly

again how can you reconcile your analogy of a house which is an inanimate structure with the universe which is biological..?
The universe is biological so your analogy of a house is totally flawed and childish. .

Get a right thread for that next time

From where does the biological come? From where does intelligence start? When does a lifeless protein molecule become a living cell? Why hasn't it happen again?
Re: To All God-believers by Nobody: 10:11pm On Jul 07, 2015
So how come i can't create a new thread? Everytime i post a thread Seun sends me back to the 'new post' page
Re: To All God-believers by johnydon22(m): 10:12pm On Jul 07, 2015
vfactor:


From where does the biological come? From where does intelligence start? When does a lifeless protein molecule become a living cell? Why hasn't it happen again?
As far as we have observed and proven. . . Biological comes from the biological... Your mum is a biological entity from whence came you another biological entity.

And what exactly are you implying to be intelligent?....

You definitely need basic biology and please stop derailing the thread. .
Re: To All God-believers by Nobody: 10:13pm On Jul 07, 2015
johnydon22:
As far as we have observed and proven. . . Biological comes from the biological... Your mum is a biological entity from whence came you another biological entity.

And what exactly are you implying to be intelligent?....

You definitely need basic biology and please stop derailing the thread. .

So how did the first biological come about?

By the way the title said to all God-believers. So how am I derailing the thread?

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Re: To All God-believers by johnydon22(m): 10:14pm On Jul 07, 2015
onetrack:
Believers in god are always saying that atheists will call on some god if they feel they are about to die (like a plane that starts to crash). My question for you is this:

Say you start choking on a piece of meat. Will you ask someone to help you remove the piece of meat from your throat or will you ask them to pray for you? Simple answer is all that is needed.
Exactly

[size=16]You are chocking and on the verge of dying; i have two options.
(a)Give your CPR or (b) Pray for you..[/size]

which do you prefer cheesy
Re: To All God-believers by DonCortino: 10:16pm On Jul 07, 2015
vfactor:


Good! Every reasonable person would conclude that!

Now so far, no other planet can sustain life like planet earth, at least non that science has discovered. In fact our earth is like a well furnished building in a lifeless desert, when compared to our solar system and milky way galaxy. We have food to sustain us, water, air and other beautiful sceneries we enjoy; sunsets, beaches, etc. Water cycle, oxygen/carbon dioxide cycle, etc.

Would it be reasonable to conclude that all these came along by chance? Or was it not designed and constructed by someone, who had a purpose in mind, just like the magnificent buildings in the desert? Give an answer and you would see that analogy is not so dumb, rather u jumped into hurried, premature conclusion.


i already did and d dumbness still stands.
Re: To All God-believers by Greatfes17: 10:17pm On Jul 07, 2015
explain more
Re: To All God-believers by johnydon22(m): 10:19pm On Jul 07, 2015
vfactor:


So how did the first biological come about?
What then do you mean by first biological?… If you can mention to me what the first biological matter is then i will tell you how it came about smiley

By the way the title said to all God-believers. So how am I derailing the thread?
Yes you are because the question is totally different from this whole junk of flawed analogy you threw in from no where
Re: To All God-believers by Nobody: 10:20pm On Jul 07, 2015
DonCortino:

i already did and d dumbness still stands.


I asked another questions and u didn't answer!

I was expecting that u would smart enough to engage in a conversation on God, creation, science and evolution. But u are as dogmatic as the blind church goers we have around.

I am a christian, but one who have done so after considering both creation and evolution, science and the bible. And I can prove my convictions using any of them!

And I was hoping you would do same rather than typing gibberish
Re: To All God-believers by johnydon22(m): 10:22pm On Jul 07, 2015
Greatfes17:
explain more

[size=16]You are chocking and on the verge of dying; i have two options.
(a)Give your CPR or (b) Pray for you..[/size]
which do you prefer?
Re: To All God-believers by Nobody: 10:23pm On Jul 07, 2015
johnydon22:
What then do you mean by first biological?… If you can mention to me what the first biological matter is then i will tell you how it came about smiley

Yes you are because the question is totally different from this whole junk of flawed analogy you threw in from no where


Like u mentioned I come from my parents and my parents from there parents. Where did our foreparents come from?


If u re open minded enough u would get my analogy.
Re: To All God-believers by johnydon22(m): 10:26pm On Jul 07, 2015
vfactor:



Like u mentioned I come from my parents and my parents from there parents. Where did our foreparents come from?
From their fore parents too


If u re open minded enough u would get my analogy.
which i have seen and addressed more than a hundred times. . i am very familiar with your line of thought
Re: To All God-believers by DonCortino: 10:26pm On Jul 07, 2015
vfactor:



I asked another questions and u didn't answer!

I was expecting that u would smart enough to engage in a conversation on God, creation, science and evolution. But u are as dogmatic as the blind church goers we have around.

I am a christian, but one who have done so after considering both creation and evolution, science and the bible. And I can prove my convictions using any of them!

And I was hoping you would do same rather than typing gibberish
undecided
Re: To All God-believers by Nobody: 10:29pm On Jul 07, 2015
johnydon22:
From their fore parents too

which i have seen and addressed more than a hundred times. . i am very familiar with your line of thought


So that means human have no beginning? We just appeared an started reproducing.?


Taaa make una go sitdon. Una be conditional atheist, people wey become atheist cos of hardship. I am looking for real grounded and logical atheist!
Re: To All God-believers by johnydon22(m): 10:35pm On Jul 07, 2015
vfactor:

So that means human have no beginning? We just appeared an started reproducing.?
It only means your fore bears had ancestors

Taaa make una go sitdon. Una be conditional atheist, people wey become atheist cos of hardship. I am looking for real grounded and logical atheist!
Hahahahaha abi, check my picture well. . .my life is comfortably beautiful. . . whoever reads your post can see you are still a toddler to the world of logic and reason... Do you need a lesson? wink
Re: To All God-believers by Nobody: 11:02pm On Jul 07, 2015
johnydon22:
It only means your fore bears had ancestors
Hahahahaha abi, check my picture well. . .my life is comfortably beautiful. . . whoever reads your post can see you are still a toddler to the world of logic and reason... Do you need a lesson? wink
hahahaha....victory is from God alone @ ur pix. See johnny see God.



Btw, which institution is that?
Re: To All God-believers by johnydon22(m): 11:08pm On Jul 07, 2015
krattoss:
hahahaha....victory is from God alone @ ur pix. See johnny see God.



Btw, which institution is that?
Lol thats the barracks basketball court na. . . the army slogan there shouldn't stop me from taking a nice pretty picture naaa grin
Re: To All God-believers by UyiIredia(m): 11:51pm On Jul 07, 2015
johnydon22:

And how did the concept of design relate to the topic exactly

again how can you reconcile your analogy of a house which is an inanimate structure with the universe which is biological..?
The universe is biological so your analogy of a house is totally flawed and childish. .

Get a right thread for that next time

It is your conclusion that is foolish. Houses are far less complex than living things and yet they are designed how much more life. BTW the universe isn't biological, that term applies to living things only.
Re: To All God-believers by Brown47: 11:52pm On Jul 07, 2015
vfactor:
This must really be a big issue for u! Okay lemme ask you. You walk thru a desert and along the way u meet a well furnished building in the middle of the desert, well furnished and functioning. Would u conclude that it fell from the sky or that someone actually took time to design and construct that building and he had something in mind for constructing it in a desert.

how does this answer or relate to the question asked. Answer his question before you give him urs.
Re: To All God-believers by UyiIredia(m): 11:53pm On Jul 07, 2015
onetrack:
Believers in god are always saying that atheists will call on some god if they feel they are about to die (like a plane that starts to crash). My question for you is this:

Not all do that. Many of them do and I'm not one of them

onetrack:
Say you start choking on a piece of meat. Will you ask someone to help you remove the piece of meat from your throat or will you ask them to pray for you? Simple answer is all that is needed.

I'll ask for someone's help. So what ?
Re: To All God-believers by johnydon22(m): 11:57pm On Jul 07, 2015
UyiIredia:


It is your conclusion that is foolish. Houses are far less complex than living things and yet they are designed how much more life. BTW the universe isn't biological, that term applies to living things only.
And somehow an even more complex entity like god doesn't require a designer?. . . talk about comedy...

Organic matters are known to reproduce on their own, house can't because they are inanimate....

Again comparing an organic matter to an inanimate object shows exactly who the foolish one is here
Re: To All God-believers by Brown47: 11:58pm On Jul 07, 2015
vfactor:



So that means human have no beginning? We just appeared an started reproducing.?


Taaa make una go sitdon. Una be conditional atheist, people wey become atheist cos of hardship. I am looking for real grounded and logical atheist!

So that means God have no beginning? He just appeared out of nowhere?
Re: To All God-believers by UyiIredia(m): 12:14am On Jul 08, 2015
johnydon22:

And somehow an even more complex entity like god doesn't require a designer?. . . talk about comedy...

Organic matters are known to reproduce on their own, house can't because they are inanimate....

Again comparing an organic matter to an inanimate object shows exactly who the foolish one is here

This really doesn't work out for you. I can spin it against you by asking why somehow a complex universe and even more complex life don't have a designer. I would tell you that designer doesn't have to be complex, being non-physical it isn't composed of various parts. Finally, I can simply assert that this even-more complex entity always existd just as you assume of the complex universe.

So you see, this really is not an good argument at all, unless you are dishonest.

By the way, saying houses are inanimate, or that 'organic matter are known to reproduce' doesn't help your case. It simply shows how much more complex living things are compared to houses.
Re: To All God-believers by UyiIredia(m): 12:15am On Jul 08, 2015
Brown47:

So that means God have no beginning? He just appeared out of nowhere?
No, God is eternal. He has always existed.
Re: To All God-believers by Brown47: 12:19am On Jul 08, 2015
UyiIredia:

No, God is eternal. He has always existed.
then begining of human existance was outside time.
Re: To All God-believers by UyiIredia(m): 12:24am On Jul 08, 2015
Brown47:

then begining of human existance was outside time.
Why do you say that ?

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