JuanDeDios:

Hehehe. I see you've gone far. Ok, I'll bite, starting with the Trinity.

New International Version
Ps 45:6: "Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom."

Who is referred to in this Bible verse?

thinkmoney:

Like many prophecies in psalms, it applies to two persons. First is David then by extension Jesus who is the eternal king from the line of David.
The right translation for that however is; "God is your throne forever and ever". It indicates that the kingship is divine and it will last till time indefinite. See also psalm 89:29.
Besides the bible itself states that there are many gods. Satan is a god, the angels were called gods, moses was called a god and the pharisees were also called gods. God is a title like king. It means powerful one. Jesus is a mighty god, John 1:1,2. But there is to us one God ALMIGHT, Jehovah; "yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live." 1 Corinthians 8:6.

Janosky:


The Catholic Church Jerusalem Bible Psalms 45:6 will help you out,Sir.
This is the authentic genuine rendition of Psalms 45:6.
"Thy throne given of God/ God is your throne" similar to saying "God is your Strength or your strength is from God."

The Masoretic Text is far older than any Trinitarian rendition of Psalms 45:6 in English Bibles.

Also, Luke 1:31-33 confirmed the authenticity of the Masoretic Text of Psalms 45:6.
The Screenshots sheds more light on this verse.

Shalom.

JuanDeDios:

The talk about "many gods" is just being half-clever here. The text says "O God", not "gods". The main point I see here is that the NWT ("the right translation" to you) renders Ps 45:6 differently.

Now, how about John 1:1? What do you say about the fact that JW inserts an article "and the Word was a god" even though there was none in the original text ("and the word was God"?

JuanDeDios:

We're using the Jerusalem Bible now? Thinkmoney, let's see if this man still relies on the Jerusalem Bible in his response to my last post.
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JuanDeDios:


That should fault my argument that the JW use advanced tricks and mind techniques and not sound logic .

Janosky:

Oga, did the Catholic Church new Jerusalem Bible contradict your rendition of Psalms 45:6-7?
Oga, did the Hebrew/ Jewish Masoretic Text (older than any of your Trinitarian rendition of Psalms 45:6-7) in agreement with the Catholic Church New Jerusalem Bible?

Oga, say the truth abeg you
Thank you Janosky. You really helped to make things clear here.
Are you a witness. I am not anyways, but I see they are the closest to how the bible described the organisation of God will look like.




Bros, your claim is not true.
Is the truth you confirmed at Psalms 45:6-7 of the Jewish Masoretic Text & New Jerusalem Bible (supported by Luke 1:32 & 1 chronicles 29:23) approved by the Trinitarian Catholic hierarchy not sound logic to your heart & mind?

Oga, just tell Nairaland you have made up your mind to believe Trinity when genuine evidence of Psalms 45:6-7 is against it.
Shikena!

JuanDeDios:

The talk about "many gods" is just being half-clever here. The text says "O God", not "gods". The main point I see here is that the NWT ("the right translation" to you) renders Ps 45:6 differently. (Note that almost every transaction, including the KJV, disagree with the JW translation here).

Now, how about John 1:1? What do you say about the fact that JW inserts an article "and the Word was a god" even though there was none in the original text ("and the word was God"?

JuanDeDios:

The talk about "many gods" is just being half-clever here. The text says "O God", not "gods". The main point I see here is that the NWT ("the right translation" to you) renders Ps 45:6 differently. (Note that almost every transaction, including the KJV, disagree with the JW translation here).

Oga, you want to hear the truth?
Did any Jew say their human king is "O God" ?
NEVER!!!
Rather,( @1 Chronicles 29:23, Luke 1:32) the king's throne is from God.
That is the long & short of Psalms 45:6-7.

Your Trinitarian mentors rendition "O God" is NOT the genuine Hebrew text of Psalms 45:6-7.
I have shown you the Screenshots evidences that most Trinitarian devotees & translators DISAGREE with your rendition "O God."
Yet, you love to argue against the truth.

JuanDeDios:


Now, how about John 1:1? What do you say about the fact that JW inserts an article "and the Word was a god" even though there was none in the original text ("and the word was God"?

Greek Theos mean "a god"/"God".(screenshot).
@ John 1:1, your fellow Trinitarian devotees REMOVED definite article "the/ho/tov" @ John 1:1 because they loved Trinity more than the Bible truth.
But they NEVER removed the same definite article @ Acts 12:22-23, John 14:1, John 4:24, Bill Mounce Greek Interlinear.

thinkmoney:

Ok, @Janosky have given a very logical and sincere response using other translations that are traditionally leaning towards trinity.
You see, Devil is crafty and powerful. He has been using many means to fight and obscure the truth in the bible. Some translations possibly due to limited knowledge or even mischief, have in some areas confused the message of the bible. Some where written hundreds of years ago and have not given diligent consideration to how language changes overtime. This translations need serious updating.
There are much more older bible versions though that are in the original, hebrew, aramaic and Greek languages. Diligent study of theses texts and the traditions, culture and language style of the time they record, shows that the bible have no contradictions whatsoever. They are consistent with the message that Jesus is a lesser partner of God the father. Jesus depended on him for power and authority. Jesus begged him to make the gloom fate pass over. Jesus trusted him to raise him back up. Jesus explicitly said he is lesser than him. Jesus even told Satan that this almighty God is the only one worthy of worship. Satan couldn't have tempted this God the father...with what? He dey madt?

thinkmoney:
Thank you Janosky. You really helped to make things clear here.
Are you a witness. I am not anyways, but I see they are the closest to how the bible described the organisation of God will look like.

Janosky:

Janosky is a JEHOVAH'S witness.

Shalom.

Janosky:


Well said!
Christendom have suppressed the Bible truth in favor of Trinity GIBBERISH.

Trinitarian devotees believed that Jesus Christ is archangel Michael before the advent of King James version in 1611.

Examine the Screenshots.

meemee:


And so how does Christians quoting the bible out of context by seeing themselves as Christ's disciples?

thinkmoney:

I have. Thanks

effort1:


Focus on what we are discussing and stop acting as if you've been defeated.

Blood transfusion is not a sin and doesn't contravene the scriptures.

It only becomes a sin when you eat blood. Blood transfusion doesn't involve eating blood. You people misinterprete the scriptures and propagate your misinterpretation.

Janosky:


Oga,When medical surgeon perform Surgery on your mouth & you take in nutrients through your veins, are you feeding/eating?

Oga, your claim is FALSE.
Hebrews 11:17-19 & Hebrews 5:7-8, Obedience to God comes at a hefty price.
It calls for faith like Abraham & Jesus Christ.

Janosky:


Oga,When medical surgeon perform Surgery on your mouth & you take in nutrients through your veins, are you feeding/eating?

Oga, your claim is FALSE.
Hebrews 11:17-19 & Hebrews 5:7-8, Obedience to God comes at a hefty price.
It calls for faith like Abraham & Jesus Christ.

Janosky:


Oga,When medical surgeon perform Surgery on your mouth & you take in nutrients through your veins, are you feeding/eating?

Oga, your claim is FALSE.
Hebrews 11:17-19 & Hebrews 5:7-8, Obedience to God comes at a hefty price.
It calls for faith like Abraham & Jesus Christ.

effort1:


Focus on what we are discussing and stop acting as if you've been defeated.

Blood transfusion is not a sin and doesn't contravene the scriptures.

It only becomes a sin when you eat blood. Blood transfusion doesn't involve eating blood. You people misinterprete the scriptures and propagate your misinterpretation.

effort1:


What you guys are doing is not obedience to God. It is ignorance. The digestive enzymes destroyed blood components and send them out as waste products.

Blood is not nutrient. Nutrient enter into the body, but blood does not because the blood you eat is a waste product.

johnw47:



adding nutrients to blood intravenously is not feeding/eating
feeding/eating is when food in put in the mouth is chewed and swallowed

giving blood intravenously is not feeding/eating blood

just like giving penicillin intravenously is not feeding/eating penicillin


you so dum aren't you oh lost fraud jw janosky,
and then you say his claim that "blood transfusion doesn't involve eating blood", is false
you false jw's cannot stop lying all over the place, can you:

effort1:


That is nutrient. Blood is not a nutrient. The components of nutrients don't get destroyed by digestive enzymes in the gut, but the components of blood get destroyed by digestive enzymes in the gut. So, blood you take by mouth goes into the large intestine where you can remove it at the toilet.

That is why you can't get HIV by tasting Hiv-infected blood.

Stop misquoting the Bible

Janosky:

This topic pass your level of comprehension.
I have no response to your daftness.

Janosky:


Does penicillin contain nutrients?

"Blood plasma also contains electrolytes, vitamins and nutrients such as glucose and amino acids.29 Aug 2019
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › books
What does blood do? - InformedHealth.org "

I beg you in the name of Jesus Christ, carry your LYING & luminous stupidity outta this thread.

Janosky:

I beg you in the name of Jesus Christ, carry your LYING & luminous stupidity outta this thread.

MacANDIES:



I'm sorry for the nuisance you keep producing.
An abandoned idiot is better than you.