I once saw it somewhere -paradox of some sort. Omnipotent means all powerful.
Can an omnipotent being - all powerful, make a box that he cant lift?

YES? If he can't lift a box he create, that means he's not omnipotent.

NO? If he cannot create a box he cant lift, that also means hes not omnipotent, because there's still something he can't do.

One of the reason why i kick people with my rain boot


Damn... nasty... I’m out of here

I guess logic is religion's Kryptonite

MaDaRa01:
I once saw it somewhere -paradox of some sort. Omnipotent means all powerful.
[s]Can an omnipotent being - all powerful, make a box that he cant lift?

YES? If he can't lift a box he create, that means he's not omnipotent.

NO? If he cannot create a box he cant lift, that also means hes not omnipotent, because there's still something he can't do.[/s]

God's Power exists OVER all of His creation .I.e. His power and sovereignty rules over each and every one of His creation. That is what it means to say God is omnipotent or Almighty.

So, God as an omnipotent being cannot create a being more powerful than He neither can He be overcome by His own creation.

Kobojunkie:
God's Power exists OVER all of His creation .I.e. His power and sovereignty rules over each and every one of His creation. That is what it means to say God is omnipotent or Almighty.

So, God as an omnipotent being cannot create a being more powerful than He neither can He be overcome by His own creation.

so you admit there is something God cannot do?

Melovar:
so you admit there is something God cannot do?

What do you mean by that? There are lots that God cannot do. God cannot, for instance, tell a lie. He also cannot contradict Himself. ....

Kobojunkie:
What do you mean by that? There are lots that God cannot do. God cannot, for instance, tell a lie. He also cannot contradict Himself. ....

Going by this, that means God isn't omnipotent then. Seeing as there are some things he cannot do

MaDaRa01:
I once saw it somewhere -paradox of some sort. Omnipotent means all powerful.
Can an omnipotent being - all powerful, make a box that he cant lift?

YES? If he can't lift a box he create, that means he's not omnipotent.

NO? If he cannot create a box he cant lift, that also means hes not omnipotent, because there's still something he can't do.

Yea I've researched on this too, it's called the omnipotent paradox.

If God creates the stone and can't lift it, it means there's something he can't do which is lifting that stone, and if cant create a stone that he cant lift, it also means there's something he can't do which is "creating a stone he cant lift:
It's a paradox so dont expect any clear answers on it.
Personall I feel it shows there's no such thing as an omnipotent being

suicidesheep:
Going by this, that means God isn't omnipotent then. Seeing as there are some things he cannot do

Not really! It means that the understanding men who wrote of His omnipotence had is different from the understanding you lot have and use of the word. God is Omnipotence, as used in scripture, boils down to sovereignty/control over His creation.

Kobojunkie:
Not really! It means that the understanding men who wrote of His omnipotence had is different from the understanding you lot have and use of the word. God is Omnipotence, as used in scripture, boils down to sovereignty/control over His creation.

Omnipotence has one meaning: able to do any and all things. God doesn't has his own special form of omnipotence, if not then you're saying he's nigh-omnipotent

suicidesheep:
Omnipotence has one meaning: able to do any and all things. God doesn't has his own special form of omnipotence, if not then you're saying he's nigh-omnipotent

Able to do any and all things within the context of His Law to men.

God is able to do all things but He cannot lie, for example.

Kobojunkie:
Able to do any and all things within the context of His Law to men.

God is able to do all things but He cannot lie, for example.

if the context of his law are the limit, then there are limits to his omnipotence.

Maybe its time you use a different word instead of omnipotence like pseudo-omnipotence

Sisora:
if the context of his law are the limit, then there are limits to his omnipotence.

Maybe its time you use a different word instead of omnipotence like pseudo-omnipotence

Yes, those limits are as defined by Him. Our very understanding of who God is is as defined by His Laws and it is from those laws we gather that He is all powerful within the limits defined by Him in His Law/agreement with us.

You decide then. Omnipotence in the Bible context means omnipotence as defined by God Himself.

[s]

MaDaRa01:
I once saw it somewhere -paradox of some sort. Omnipotent means all powerful.
Can an omnipotent being - all powerful, make a box that he cant lift?

YES? If he can't lift a box he create, that means he's not omnipotent.

NO? If he cannot create a box he cant lift, that also means hes not omnipotent, because there's still something he can't do.

[/s]

Kobojunkie:
Able to do any and all things within the context of His Law to men.

God is able to do all things but He cannot lie, for example.

Then he isn't omnipotent as there as so many things he can't do.
Lets not deviate from what OP said.

The paradox "can an omnipotent being create a rock it cannot create". In this case the omnipotent being is God

Kobojunkie:
Yes, those limits are as defined by Him. Our very understanding of who God is is as defined by His Laws and it is from those laws we gather that He is all powerful within the limits defined by Him in His Law/agreement with us.

You decide then. Omnipotence in the Bible context means omnipotence as defined by God Himself.

I dont know what information you're trying to pass on here. Can you clarify

suicidesheep:
Then he isn't omnipotent as there as so many things he can't do.

Ok.

suicidesheep:
I dont know what information you're trying to pass on here. Can you clarify

His Omnipotence is as defined by God, not men.

Kobojunkie:
Yes, those limits are as defined by Him. Our very understanding of who God is is as defined by His Laws and it is from those laws we gather that He is all powerful within the limits defined by Him in His Law/agreement with us.

You decide then. Omnipotence in the Bible context means omnipotence as defined by God Himself.

you keep making too many incoherent mistakes.

First off, our understanding and the meaning of the word 'omnipotence' is not defined by God or by his laws.

Omnipotence is concept proposed by the human mind and in the context of the language it means absolute power.

When God says to a human that he is omnipotent, he does not need to say "oh but my omnipotence is within these limits" once there's a boundary then it's no longer omnipotence in the true sense of the word.

Secondly, omnipotence is not defined Biblically. It is a word in human language that describes a concept. Much the same as omnipresence which is ever present.

The concept of omnipotence can be renamed again and again but it is still the same concept which means 'all powerful'. So if you say he's omnipotent, you don't need to put it in the context of the Bible.

Sisora:
you keep making too many incoherent mistakes.

1. First off, our understanding and the meaning of the world omnipotence is not defined by God or by his laws. Omnipotence is human and in the context of the language it means absolute power.

2. When God says to a human that he is omnipotent, he does not need to say "oh but my omnipotence is within these limits" once there's a boundary then it's no longer omnipotence in the true sense of the word.

3. Secondly, omnipotence is not defined Biblically. It is a word in human language that describes a concept. Much the same as omnipresence which is ever present.

4. The concept of omnipotence can be renamed again and again but it is still the same concept which means 'all powerful'. So if you say he's omnipotent, you don't need to put it in the context of the Bible.

1. Wrong! The understanding drawn from scriptural context is not as defined by men.

Pay attention! The OP asked if God is omnipotent or not, hence the reason why we consider that which was in fact declared by God in this.

2. Actually, God defined His own omnipotence with limits... this is what He told humans.

3. Omnipotence is a word that is typically directly related in ways to the word "Almighty" used in reference to God, in scripture.

4. No matter how many times you rename or change it, so long as attempts are at using it in reference to God, it would be folly to ignore God's definition of His Almightiness, why? Because the knowledge we have of Him is that He has defined for us within the context of His Laws to us.

Kobojunkie:
1. Wrong! The understanding drawn drawn scriptural context is not as defined by men. Pay attention! The OP asked if God is omnipotent or not, hence the reason why we consider that which was in fact declared by God in this.

2. Actually, God defined His own omnipotence with limits... this is what He told humans.

3. Omnipotence is a word that is typically directly related in ways to the word "Almighty" used used reference to God in scripture.

4. No matter how many times you renamed or change it, so long as attempts are at using it in reference to God, it would be folly to ignore God's definition of His Almightiness, why? Because the knowledge we have of Him is that He has defined for us within the context of His Laws to us.

sir, are you a bible scholar? Because there are many things in the bible that are simply unclear. Take for instance the old and new testaments contradict each other sometimes...

MaDaRa01:

sir, are you a bible scholar? Because there are many things in the bible that are simply unclear. Take for instance the old and new testaments contradict each other sometimes...

I am not a Bible scholar. I am simply someone who happens to process the information presented in scripture as it is written. Additionally, I ama follower of Jesus Christ as in I trust and Obey Him since He is God's Law to us.

Indeed there are some contradictions since the book was, after all, written by humans over different peoples and each with different perspectives. But it is the same God that is written to have spoken to most of them and His Character and Words aren't of confusion or contradictions.

Kobojunkie:
1. Wrong! The understanding drawn from scriptural context is not as defined by men.

Pay attention! The OP asked if God is omnipotent or not, hence the reason why we consider that which was in fact declared by God in this.

2. Actually, God defined His own omnipotence with limits... this is what He told humans.

3. Omnipotence is a word that is typically directly related in ways to the word "Almighty" used in reference to God, in scripture.

4. No matter how many times you rename or change it, so long as attempts are at using it in reference to God, it would be folly to ignore God's definition of His Almightiness, why? Because the knowledge we have of Him is that He has defined for us within the context of His Laws to us.

Your no. 2
Omnipotence with limit isn't omnipotence. That is a contradictory statement.

suicidesheep:
Your no. 2
Omnipotence with limit isn't omnipotence. That is a contradictory statement.

It might contradict your sense of it, but it is as defined in scripture in reference to Almighty God and His Law.

Kobojunkie:
1. Wrong! The understanding drawn from scriptural context is not as defined by men.

Pay attention! The OP asked if God is omnipotent or not, hence the reason why we consider that which was in fact declared by God in this.

This is wrong. As every other thing you said after it

The op asked if God is omnipotent not omnipotent according to his laws. For all we know the op could be a Muslim asking the question, would you then tell him God is only omnipotent within the pages of the Bible but once he's taken out then he's powerless?

When a man tells me that he is omnipotent and expects me to believe him, the first thing that comes to my mind is "does he have absolute power?"

Once he said "yes I have absolute power but..." then he is no longer omnipotence because of that but.

Omnipotence makes no room for conditions or criteria or factors. You either have absolute power to do anything or you are limited. There's no absolute power according to this boundary

Like I said, omnipotence is a concept wherein a person or thing has the power to do everything. It makes no room for limitation according to any rules or laws.

Sisora:
This is wrong. As every other thing you said after it

The op asked if God is omnipotent not omnipotent according to his laws.

The Words "Omnipotent" is the same word "Almighty" used in scripture.

Kobojunkie:
The Words "Omnipotent" is the same word "Almighty" used in scripture.

seems thinking gives you headaches so you avoid doing it huh

The debate is not about the synonyms of omnipotence.

It's about if God has the power to do everything since we describe him as omnipotent or almighty.

Sisora:
It's about if God has the power to do everything since we describe him as omnipotent or almighty.

The word "Almighty" isn't necessarily a synonym of the word "omnipotent" and Webster there applies it as a direct definition.

A look at the etymology of the word "omnipotent" will reveal even more of the link to that defined in scripture as if Webster attempts to explain to you.

Kobojunkie:
The word "Almighty" isn't necessarily a synonym of the word "omnipotent" and Webster there applies it as a direct definition.

A look at the etymology of the word "omnipotent" will reveal even more of the link to that defined in scripture as if Webster attempts to explain to you.

this is becoming irritating

We all know the meaning of omnipotence. We all know the meaning of almighty.

The question is does God qualify to be called omnipotent which means he has absolute power to do anything even when there are things he cannot do?

Geez

You don't even understand the question and you've been busy gallivanting and typing nonsense

suicidesheep:


Then he isn't omnipotent as there as so many things he can't do.
Lets not deviate from what OP said.

The paradox "can an omnipotent being create a rock it cannot create". In this case the omnipotent being is God

This is a very stupid paradox because, being and omnipotent God would mean that His creation can not be bigger than Him. Even humans who are not omnipotent has total control over their own creations. They can make toy cars that can fit in a pocket, and can still make real cars that are hard to lift up.

How did evolution start?

Sisora:
this is becoming irritating
We all know the meaning of omnipotence. We all know the meaning of almighty.

The question is does God qualify to be called omnipotent which means he has absolute power to do anything even when there are things he cannot do?

Again, The word "Almighty" isn't necessarily a synonym of the word "omnipotent" and Webster there applies it as a direct definition.

A look at the etymology of the word "omnipotent" will reveal even more of the link to that defined in scripture as if Webster attempts to explain to you.