Emusan:


If not because you're delusional the name "Jesus" appeared more than two times in Rev 22 yet you claimed it's not Jesus talking.

Besides, the person speaking in Revelation 22:13 says He is "The First and The Last"
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Emusan:


Didn't Jesus called Himself the first and the Last in the same Revelation 1:17:18?

JaNosenses the lying liar JWs like his father the Devil
I know it's a great pain to you and your father the Devil that Jesus called Himself The First and the last, the beginning and the ending

sagenaija:
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Why did you ignore verse 16? Do you see why I say that you guys are being disingenuous?
What is in verse 16?
How did the book of Revelation start in chapter 1?
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sagenaija:

Who is coming according to Revelation 1:7?
.

sagenaija:

Who is Revelation 22:12 saying is coming?
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sagenaija:

Another person than Revelation 1:7?

sagenaija:

Who is the First and the Last in Revelation 1: 17?
Is he not the same one who said in the very next verse: ”I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever!"?

Open your eyes!
We can see who is deluded now.

Emusan:


Did Jehovah claim to be A GOD?

ole...
!

Emusan reads Deuteronomy 10:17, (Jehovah is the God "ho Theos" in John 1:1) to answer his question.
Yet , the only thing his Sense could think of is "Ole"
Deluded 3 deities devotees

Emusan:


That's nice!

So the Father isn't Lord of Lords and King of Kings

Emusan:

Emusan : Jesus is the God of gods.
Jesus the First and the last, the beginning and the ending John 1:1, Rev 1:17-18, Rev 22:13

You need more!

sagenaija:
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When you are asked a very simple question and you have to go through a rigmarole to answer, that simply betrays your intention.
Did you also notice how you phrased some of your statements? E.g. "The Owner of the Revelation is coming through His son...." Coming through his son.
eyes.

John 7:16, Jesus said:
My message is NOT my own,it comes from God who sent me"

God Jehovah sent Jesus to say "I am coming".
Jesus is coming on behalf of his God/ Father.

Oga, your Bible says Receive Sense, drop your delusion in the dustbin.

sagenaija:


Janosky, Revelation 22:16 starts with "I, Jesus, ...." So the identity of the person speaking from verse 12 is clear. The identity of the one "coming soon" is clear..

Your claim in Rev 22:12 is faulted by Jesus.

John 5:43, Jesus says " I have come in the name of my Father."
Oga, Revelation 1:1, Jehovah God gave Revelation to Jesus.
Psalm 62:12, Jehovah gives the reward at Rev 22:12.
Oga,na your Bible talk am.

sagenaija:


The identity of the one who said in verse 13 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." is clear.

Because you want to force your dogma on any passage that conflicts with it you necessarily have to go through your roundabout way of trying to force your delusion on others.

Oga , open your Bible to Isaiah 44:6 & Revelation 22:13-14 , You will RECEIVE SENSE
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last"

Do you observe that Revelation 22:13 is a copy of Isaiah 44:6 & Revelation 4:8?
Jehovah God is the Alpha and Omega there.
Shikena !

sagenaija:
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Revelation 1:13-15 describes the person Apostle John saw. But that person went on to make a statement in verses 17-20. He said, "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. [b]I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! [/b]And I hold the keys of death and Hades."

Janosky, who was dead and is now alive? Who describes himself here as the First and the Last?

sagenaija:
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Do you find this description used again in Revelation 22:13?

sagenaija:
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It is one thing to brainwash yourself with your dogma. It quite another thing to think that the rest of us would be taking in by JW's propaganda. Open your eyes.

Oga, you are throwing tantrums as if your Bible begins and ends with Revelation.

There is no dogma in the holy scriptures.
No Trinity dogma in your Bible.

Oga, carry your delusion outta this thread jare.

sagenaija:
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Janosky, The issue is not Rev. 1:1. The issue is not John 7:16. The issue is simple; who is speaking in the portions I referred to? And what did he say about himself? Is that hard for you to grasp?

Let's for a moment use your logic. You said, "God Jehovah sent Jesus to say "I am coming".
Jesus is coming on behalf of his God/ Father."
When Jesus said, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." Are you saying that God Jehovah asked him to say that on his behalf? So he couldn't be clearer but will require Janosky to help us understand his mind to show us that Jesus didn't actually say that of himself but was only a mouthpiece for God.

Oga, did your own Revelation Bible begin from verse 8?

Oga, study Revelation 1:1 & receive SENSE.
Revelation 1:1 = John 7:16
This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him"

Trinitarians superglued to delusion

sagenaija:
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Are you saying that God Jehovah asked him to say that on his behalf? So he couldn't be clearer but will require Janosky to help us understand his mind to show us that Jesus didn't actually say that of himself but was only a mouthpiece for God. When Jesus said "These are the words of the Son of God....." in Rev. 2:18 he didn't actually mean that those are his personal words, according to Janosky, he was speaking on behalf of God. Note that in the same chapter he mentions "my Father". Elsewhere he talks about "my God". But according to Janosky, he chose not to be clear in Rev. 22. It would require the " spiritual insight" of Janosky to explain it to use. It will require this deep to explain to us that when Jesus said ”I Jesus" he didn't really mean himself but was pointing to someone else.

You can see where your sense has taken you. I guess you are excited about your spiritual insight. Congratulations!

Janosky:
Emusan LIAR shame on you emitting falsehood.
Revelation 14:12, Revelation1;1 & 22:13-15, Did Jehovah God give Command and Revelation to Jesus?
YES !!

None of the scripture here ever say Jehovah gave COMMAND to Jesus

Lying liar! When will you out your father the Devil to shame for once over this your numerous lies?

Jesus Christ is like a Minister reading the President's letter to Citizens Forum & in paragraph 13 reads "I am Alpha & Omega".
Who is that "Alpha & Omega" in the President's Letter?
Not the Minister, Jesus.
Your Trinity mentors robbed your Sense.

[b]Emusan must you always emit your foolishness on this forum?
Is Protos /eshatos @ Revelation 1:17 (screenshots proof) the same as Alpha and Omega?

Emusan,Come back here and emit more FALSEHOOD

Janosky:
Oga, did your own Revelation Bible begin from verse 8?

Oga, study Revelation 1:1 & receive SENSE.
Revelation 1:1 = John 7:16
This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him"

Trinitarians superglued to delusion

Emusan:


Deluded JaNosenses

So why didn't the Angel accept the worship from John since it's Jehovah word and not another person?
Always spewing nonsense.

Revelation 22:10 & Revelation 3:12,Acts 3:13, according to your Bible,,i both Jesus and that angel servants of the God of Abraham?
Yes.

Mr LIENUS @Revelation 22:10 & Revelation 3:12 & Acts 3:13, whom do both of them Worship?

Emusan LIENUS

sagenaija:
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Janosky would like us to take John 7:16 on its face value. The question to you then is do you believe John 10:30? When Jesus said, "I and the Father are One.”
John 10:30 do you believe it? Do you accept that he is as much Jehovah as the Father? Do you accept that from that statement they are one in essence and nature? Or are you going to look for how to reinterpret this to make it fit into your dogma? Will you use the same way you used in interpreting the John7:16 passage to interpret this one?

You should be able to see how you guys tie yourselves up in knots when you refuse to be straightforward.

they may be one as we are one"

Oga, Do you accept that he (Jesus) & the disciples is as much Jehovah as the Father?
Do you accept that from that statement of Jesus @ John 17:22,they are one in essence and nature?

Trinity delusion robbed your Sense.
Your claim on John 10:30 is not true.
More so, screenshot John 10:33 and 1Corinthians 8:4-5 PROVEN Jesus is a god. (Psalm 82:6 confirm)
Your Trinity mentors DUBIOUSLY put big letter G @ John 10:33.
Dubious lots.
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Emusan:


None of the scripture here ever say Jehovah gave COMMAND to Jesus

Lying liar! When will you out your father the Devil to shame for once over this your numerous lies?



Oponu oniro oshi.

Rev 22 Jesus called Himself "Alpha and Omega, the first and the last"

I know your father the Devil is still angry with that statement.

Throughout the Revelation Jesus is the ONLY one saying HE IS COMING, in fact your lying organization agreed that Jesus had COME not Jehovah


So Alpha and Omega Is different from FIRST AND THE LAST

Oma se oooo, yet the deluded JaNosenses will be parading himself up and down on this forum as a Greek and Hebrew scholar.

But the same Protos and eschatos was used in Rev 22:13

Oni ro ole.



The lying liar JaNosenses like his father the Devil.

johnw47:



[s][s]Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool


lost fraud jw janosky

Yehovah says: "I am the first, and I am the last"
Isa 44:6  Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.



revelation chapter 22 verse 7 onward is about the second coming of Christ
and it is Christ speaking:[/s]
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Rev 22:7  Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

Rev 22:12  And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 
Rev 22:13  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 

Rev 22:16  I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
 

He, the One which has been speaking these things say's "surely I come quickly", and john affirms that Jesus is He, the One who has been speaking these things:
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Rev 22:20  He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. 
Rev 22:21  The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.


lost fraud jw janosky, you are already lost so these next verses won't stop you from doing the twist once more on God's word:

Rev 22:18  For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 
Rev 22:19  And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.



rev 4:8, Father comes invisibly in Jesus is not the topic
it's who is speaking which is the topic, and you are doing
a pathetic job at denying Jesus words:

1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father

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Janosky:

John W & IBERIBEISM

Janosky:

John W & IBERIBEISM

sagenaija:
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Again, you avoid the issue that is being pointed out to you and run off at a tangent to some unrelated things.
In John 10:30 Jesus said, "I and the Father are One.”
Focus on this statement of Jesus. What does it tell you? In your own words simply tell us what you think that statement means. Is that too hard for you to do? Or do you prefer to sound complicated and sophisticated to make yourself feel good about the knowledge you think you have?
For once avoid all the attacks and tell us what that statement is saying.

MaxInDHouse:

Both are in agreement even though one need to always bend to the opinion of the other! Luke 22:42

Janosky:
John 12:49= Revelation 1:1.
International Version
For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken.

New Living Translation
I don’t speak on my own authority. The Father who sent me has commanded me what to say and how to say it.


Trinity delusion made you guys REFUSE TO RECEIVE SENSE.
Just jejely continue in your folly

sagenaija:

Trying to do damage control? You need to try harder.
Is it really so difficult for you guys to simply exegete one verse?
If like you started off with "both are in agreement" (I'm not suggesting that that is the correct interpretation of that verse) then what is the point of "one needs to always bend to the opinion of the other"? If they are in agreement in the first place which other opinion is one bending to? Do you see why I say that you guys end up tying yourselves in knots? Being in agreement means having the same opinion. That does not call for one bending to "another" opinion. Attempt another answer. This time focus on the verse. What is it saying? What clear message can you see from it?

sagenaija:

Trying to do damage control? You need to try harder.
Is it really so difficult for you guys to simply exegete one verse?
If like you started off with "both are in agreement" (I'm not suggesting that that is the correct interpretation of that verse) then what is the point of "one needs to always bend to the opinion of the other"? If they are in agreement in the first place which other opinion is one bending to? Do you see why I say that you guys end up tying yourselves in knots? Being in agreement means having the same opinion. That does not call for one bending to "another" opinion. Attempt another answer. This time focus on the verse. What is it saying? What clear message can you see from it?

Janosky:

Revelation 22:10 & Revelation 3:12,Acts 3:13, according to your Bible,,i both Jesus and that angel servants of the God of Abraham?
Yes.

Mr LIENUS @Revelation 22:10 & Revelation 3:12 & Acts 3:13, whom do both of them Worship?

Emusan LIENUS

Emusan:


I only ask simple question but see how this deluded JaNosenses is ranting up and down.

Why did the Angel didn't accept the worship from John since it's Jehovah word?

The answer you want is in Revelation 22:9 but Emusan loves Trinity Delusion more than the Bible .
"But he said, “No, don’t worship me. I am a servant of God, just like you and your brothers the prophets, as well as all who obey what is written in this book. Worship only God!”

Revelation 22:9 is Jehovah's word transmitted through the angel @Revelation 22:1-15.

Emusan LIENUS REFUSES to RECEIVE SENSE.

sagenaija:
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At the end of the day, your words betray you.
You rant about how you are the best of people and organization but what you spew out of your mouths shows something else.

I am not asking about the relationship between the humanity of Christ and the Father or any of the other issues you bring up to cloud the main issue. All I asked is to tell us what John 10:30 means when Jesus said, "I and the Father are One.”

It is easy to see that you are stuck when your translation doesn't change words for you and when you are confronted with a direct challenge to your dogma. You still end up on a merry-go-round because you can't reconcile the truth of that verse with your dogma. The next immediate fallback for you guys then becomes name-calling and attacks.

Your first attempt failed woefully because you cannot claim it means they are in agreement and still talk about a different opinion. You can't confuse clear-minded people with your convoluted use of words. That's why I said you should try again. Unfortunately, your second attempt truly exposed you. You simply don't want to accept what that verse is clearly saying. You then end up explaining other conjured-up verses you bring up rather than the one in question. You've only complicated things for yourself. But we know that you are stubborn so you'll still fight on.