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Jesus preached and acted on what was revealed to him. There's no evidence Jesus wrote anything down but he spoke it.

Yet Allah told Muhammad to ask Christians if he is confused, so how will Christians who are not alive when Jesus came will know Jesus message if Allah didn't ask Jesus to memorize and write it down?

Allaah says in His Book (interpretation of the meaning): “And (remember)

Who is Allah talking to here to REMEMBER, Muhammad or was not alive or Christians who were not alive that time?

when ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), said: ‘O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allaah unto you, confirming the Tawraat [(Torah) which came] before me, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad.’ But when he (Ahmad, i.e. Muhammad) came to them with clear proofs, they said: ‘This is plain magic’”[l[al-Saff 61:6]

This is from Quran, where was Jesus PROPHESIED the come of Muhammad from the Injeel?

Give me an authentic proof that Matthew wrote the book of Matthew and Moses wrote the Pentateuch?

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The Injeel were words that were transmitted from Jesus to whoever he preached to or influenced during his time on Earth.

But there's no Injeel today because Allah didn't command its memorization nor the writing in hard copy. So how will people who are not alive during the time of Jesus till Muhammad came knows guide by the Injeel?

Injeel means Gospel which means "Good News" what is the GOOD NEWS all about?

The Bible contains some portions of the Injeel and the bulk of it are additions written by known and unknown people.

The twisting mouth has started. When you don't know the actual Injeel Jesus preached but can say Bible contained PORTIONS OF IT, how come?

If Jesus didn't write it down nor instructed his disciples to memorize it, then nobody will give attention to those words.

“And He (Allah) will teach him [‘Isa] the Book and Al-Hikmah (i.e. the sunnah, the faultless speech of the Prophets, wisdom), (and) the Tawrat and the Injil.” [Al ‘Imran 3:48]
The Injeel was meant to be preached and it was so.

Yet you claimed the Bible contains PORTIONS OF IT, so who pen THOSE PORTIONS DOWN, the disciples who Jesus didn't instructed to do so or someone who was not alive when Jesus came?

The Injeel revealed to Jesus is lost.

It will only LOST if it was transmitted to a hard copy, you don't LOST what didn't exist. By Jesus not wrote the Injeel down nor asked his disciples to memorize it means the Injeel wasn't exist at all

The Injeel was for the lost sheep of Israel as Jesus preached. It is not for others!

When you didn't even know the content of the Injeel

So in the whole Bible, what you have about Jesus for age 1 to just before 30yrs is just an argument in the temple?

At 12 years, Yes and it's because Bible isn't about Jesus Biography but His mission on earth to save MANKIND.

How faulty can this be?

Nothing is faulty here! Bible details the needed background that needs to be known about Him as the Messiah the savior of the World.

AntiChristian:


Chai! I don't know you're this ignorant!

Esau and "Eesa!

So was Esau given birth to by Maryam?
The Qu'ran is not a story book that has all names as well as all evils mentioned.

Was Esau sent to you as a Nigerian? The Holy spirit has misguided this lot.

Can you explain why your Bible didn't record much of Jesus' 1year old to 29 year old?

So tell us the arabic equivalent of Esau if you say its not eesa.

Here is another confusion in your holy book that misconstrues Mary for Miriam in the excerpt below:

Dawood, in a note to Quran 19:28, where Mary the Mother of Jesus is referred to as the "Sister of Aaron", and Aaron was the brother of Mary sister of Moses, states: "It Appears that Miriam, Aaron's sister, and Maryam (Mary), mother of Jesus, were according to the Koran, one and the same person."

OLAADEGBU:

So tell us the arabic equivalent of Esau if you say its not eesa.
Here is another confusion in your holy book that misconstrues Mary for Miriam in the excerpt below:

Of course there are lots of inconsistencies in the way Muhammad taught his disciples what he learned from the Catholic Church. But one thing is sure:
Muslims do have a way of calling Esau, my own senior brother was named "Isshau" which means "Esau" in Arabic!

RoyalDiadems:


Who were Mohammed's witnesses regarding his claims on the divinity of the quoran.

His witnesses were his companions who wrote/transmitted the Qur'an and Ahadith.
The Qur'an was written down and completely memorized by many during the lifetime of the Prophet.

How can someone come 600yrs after a person and claim he has knowledge of the lives and times of the person more than those who ate and slept with him?

This is possible as evidence abound that the Bible as it is today was not written in the Lifetime of Jesus. And much part of the Bible have uncertain authors. For example, Apostle Matthew can not have written Matthew 9:9 which includes his name. Also, Moses could not have written his obituary in one of the Pentateuch! And Paul was not even a disciple of Jesus during his time on earth, so how could his account/letters be among your scriptures.

So Muhammad's account is the truth as he was guided by the same Angel sent from the same God to other Prophets before him.

Emusan:


Yet Allah told Muhammad to ask Christians if he is confused, so how will Christians who are not alive when Jesus came will know Jesus message if Allah didn't ask Jesus to memorize and write it down?

Before you finish laughing, can you tell us where Allah specifically told Muhammad to ask Christians and what are the context of those verses

Who is Allah talking to here to REMEMBER, Muhammad or was not alive or Christians who were not alive that time?

The Qur'an is a reminder to all of us!

This is from Quran, where was Jesus PROPHESIED the come of Muhammad from the Injeel?

The Injeel is lost. So how will i know where Jesus prophecied about Muhammad? But Jesus definitely spoke about it to people.

It's Available online...

Bring an authentic proof that Matthew wrote the book of Matthew and Moses wrote the Pentateuch from your online source?

But there's no Injeel today because Allah didn't command its memorization nor the writing in hard copy. So how will people who are not alive during the time of Jesus till Muhammad came knows guide by the Injeel?

The copies of what Jesus preached was written by some of his disciples. This was common as there were teachers of the Injeel just as there were Torah teachers too.

Injeel means Gospel which means "Good News" what is the GOOD NEWS all about?

It is the revelation from Allah Jesus preached to his people of Israel.

The twisting mouth has started. When you don't know the actual Injeel Jesus preached but can say Bible contained PORTIONS OF IT, how come?

From the definition of Injeel, it is the spoken words of Jesus which was revealed to him. It is unlike the Bible written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, etc. The Bible contains some spoken words of Jesus and plenty other items written about him.

If Jesus didn't write it down nor instructed his disciples to memorize it, then nobody will give attention to those words.

Bring your evidence to prove this?

Yet you claimed the Bible contains PORTIONS OF IT, so who pen THOSE PORTIONS DOWN, the disciples who Jesus didn't instructed to do so or someone who was not alive when Jesus came?

Disciples are like students so why can't they write those things down? And all Jesus met the 5000 and other thousands people must have written things directly from him.

It will only LOST if it was transmitted to a hard copy, you don't LOST what didn't exist. By Jesus not wrote the Injeel down nor asked his disciples to memorize it means the Injeel wasn't exist at all
When you didn't even know the content of the Injeel

This has been answered. Jesus's spoken word is not what was written by people about Jesus.

At 12 years, Yes and it's because Bible isn't about Jesus Biography but His mission on earth to save MANKIND.

About 90% if not more of the New testament Matthew, Mark, Luke and John is about the Biography of Jesus (Birth to death, etc).
The others are mainly letters from Paul and others.

Nothing is faulty here! Bible details the needed background that needs to be known about Him as the Messiah the savior of the World.

Everything is faulty and you know it.

Rashduct4luv:


His witnesses were his companions who wrote/transmitted the Qur'an and Ahadith.
The Qur'an was written down and completely memorized by many during the lifetime of the Prophet.



This is possible as evidence abound that the Bible as it is today was not written in the Lifetime of Jesus. And much part of the Bible have uncertain authors. For example, Apostle Matthew can not have written Matthew 9:9 which includes his name. Also, Moses could not have written his obituary in one of the Pentateuch! And Paul was not even a disciple of Jesus during his time on earth, so how could his account/letters be among your scriptures.

So Muhammad's account is the truth as he was guided by the same Angel sent from the same God to other Prophets before him.

Who was there when Mohammed received the scriptures of the quoran?

Moses does not have to write the Pentateuch himself. He has scribes who can pen down on his order. The account of his death could then be reported by the same people. This principle is observed throughout the Bible.

Mathew 9:9 does not disqualify Mathew as the Writer of the book bearing his name. The mode of writing is similar to that of John. However, at the end of his book, John clarified himself, whereas Mathew did not:

John 21:24
This is the dis beciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true.

Mohammed only plagiarized and modified parts of the Bible. His account is riddled with falsehood.

OLAADEGBU:


So tell us the arabic equivalent of Esau if you say its not eesa.

'Eesa is the Arabic equivalent of Yeshua in Hebrew. And the Qu'ran righly says 'Eesa son of Maryam. No Arabic equivalent of Esau in the Qu'ran as he wasn't mentioned by name.

Here is another confusion in your holy book that misconstrues Mary for Miriam in the excerpt below:

It's not in anyway a confusion for us. No one knows Miriam that much in Islam.
It was a comparison of godly people. No more no less.

Mary has a son without father! Not Miriam!

The Angel visit Mary not Miriam!

Even we have a chapter of Mary not Miriam in the Qu'ran.

So quit bringing lies from your holy spirit here to cajole us. You're not guided at all .

MaxInDHouse:


Of course there are lots of inconsistencies in the way Muhammad taught his disciples what he learned from the Catholic Church. But one thing is sure:
Muslims do have a way of calling Esau, my own senior brother was named "Isshau" which means "Esau" in Arabic!

Where did they get that name from since it's not from the Qur'an, is it the general arabic equivalent or it was just translated personally?

AntiChristian:


'Eesa is the Arabic equivalent of Yeshua in Hebrew. And the Qu'ran righly says 'Eesa son of Maryam. No Arabic equivalent of Esau in the Qu'ran as he wasn't mentioned by name.

Esau (Issa) cannot be Yeshua (Jesus) because both have different birth certificates.

AntiChristian:


It's not in anyway a confusion for us. No one knows Miriam that much in Islam.
It was a comparison of godly people. No more no less.

Mary has a son without father! Not Miriam!

The Angel visit Mary not Miriam!

Even we have a chapter of Mary not Miriam in the Qu'ran.

So quit bringing lies from your holy spirit here to cajole us. You're not guided at all .

If the Qur'anic Mary had a brother named Aaron then this Issa of yours cannot possibly be the Jesus (Yeshua) or Mary of the New Testament Bible.

See the excerpts again:

Dawood, in a note to Quran 19:28, where Mary the Mother of Jesus is referred to as the "Sister of Aaron", and Aaron was the brother of Mary sister of Moses, states: "It Appears that Miriam, Aaron's sister, and Maryam (Mary), mother of Jesus, were according to the Koran, one and the same person."

OLAADEGBU:

Where did they get that name from since it's not from the Qur'an, is it the general arabic equivalent or it was just translated personally?

Muslims use both the Qu'ran and several other writings known as hadiths so unlike the Christians they don't rely on the Qur'an alone that's why some are killing people to support their God and prophet while others condemn such acts, when you see this know that it's the differences in the hadiths that's the root cause!

RoyalDiadems:


Who was there when Mohammed received the scriptures of the quoran?

Many people where witnesses to some the revelation as there were scribes writing down/memorising the Qur'an. His wife Khadijah, Aaishah, Waraqah ibn Nawfal (a Christian) and many of his companions! Can you tell us who were the eyewitness Matthew, Mark, Luke, John others got their account from? I know Jesus didn't write the New testament. And it's doubtful others wrote it.

Moses does not have to write the Pentateuch himself. He has scribes who can pen down on his order. The account of his death could then be reported by the same people. This principle is observed throughout the Bible.

Can you mention the names of the Scribes? how was the Pentateuch preserved from generation to generation? Who were the copyists? What were the names of the compilers of the Bible Books? Why are there many translations of the Bible? Why does some Bible have 73 Books while most others 66? Can you mention the names of those who partake in the council of nicea and what were the conclusions as regard the Bible?

Mathew 9:9 does not disqualify Mathew as the Writer of the book bearing his name. The mode of writing is similar to that of John. However, at the end of his book, John clarified himself, whereas Mathew did not:

Matthew 9:9
The Calling of Matthew
As Jesus went on from there, he saw a man named Matthew sitting at the tax collector’s booth. “Follow me,” he told him, and Matthew got up and followed him.

The verse should have been like this:
As Jesus went on from there, he saw me (Matthew) sitting at the tax collectors Booth. "Follow me," he told me and i got up and followed him.

John 21:24
This is the dis beciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true.

And who are the "We" that are testifying to what John wrote?

Mohammed only plagiarized and modified parts of the Bible. His account is riddled with falsehood.

He would have been a superman to have done that. Your Bible was compiled as it is today after the Qur'an.
Can you explain how an unlettered man did that without google in just 23 years?

Rashduct4luv:


Many people where witnesses to some the revelation as there were scribes writing down/memorising the Qur'an. His wife Khadijah, Aaishah, Waraqah ibn Nawfal (a Christian) and many of his companions! Can you tell us who were the eyewitness Matthew, Mark, Luke, John others got their account from? I know Jesus didn't write the New testament. And it's doubtful others wrote it.

YES! Not a single word of Jesus' message was penned down while he was alive on earth but he said:

“I still have many things to say to you, but you are not able to bear them now. However, when that one comes, the spirit of the truth, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own initiative, but what he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things to come" John 16:12-13

So it was after his resurrection that God used His Holy Spirit to anoint them {Act 2:1-4} and they began to remember everything Jesus taught them, inconsistencies are due to reports they got from different disciples who happens to be eyewitnesses of the events where the writer is not present himself.

Take for instance the gospel account of John was written in the year 98 c.e after he has written the final last of the Bible.
WHY?
In his record John made us to understand that Jesus said something but it was misinterpreted among the first century Christians so it's like John's account was to correct that misconception as well as to pen down things he himself remembered! John 21:20-25

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OLAADEGBU:


Esau (Issa) cannot be Yeshua (Jesus) because both have different birth certificates.

Abeg can you show us the birth certificates and inform us where it was issued?

Where is your proof that Esau is same as 'Eesa?

The [Arab] Christians call the Prophet of Allah ‘Eesaa Yasoo‘; in Hebrew the name is Yeshua. This name was common among the Israelite tribes, such as Yashoo‘ ibn Noon (Yeshua ben Nun – Joshua son of Nun) and Yoosha‘ the servant of Moosaa (peace be upon him), who became a Prophet after him (peace be upon him).

Shaykh Rasheed Rida (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
The name ‘Eesa is an Arabised form of the name Yashoo‘ (Yeshua), with a transposition of letters, altering the letter sheen to seen. This often happens in words that are transmitted from Hebrew to Arabic. The letter seen in the words al-maseeh (messiah) and Moosa is a sheen in Hebrew (mashiach and Moshe), as is the final letter in the word shams (sun, which in Hebrew is shemesh). End quote.
Tafseer al-Manaar (3/251)

If the Qur'anic Mary had a brother named Aaron then this Issa of yours cannot possibly be the Jesus (Yeshua) or Mary of the New Testament Bible.

See the excerpts again:

Dawood, in a note to Quran 19:28, where Mary the Mother of Jesus is referred to as the "Sister of Aaron", and Aaron was the brother of Mary sister of Moses, states: "It Appears that Miriam, Aaron's sister, and Maryam (Mary), mother of Jesus, were according to the Koran, one and the same person."

"Sister of Aaron" may either mean that Mary had a brother of the name of Aaron, or it may mean that she belonged to the family of Prophet Aaron. The first meaning is supported by a tradition of the Holy Prophet and the second is plausible because that is supported by the Arabic idiom. But we are inclined to the second meaning, for the wording of the said tradition does not necessarily mean that she actually had a brother named Aaron. The tradition as related in Muslim, Nasa'i, Tirmizi, etc. says that when the Christians of Najran criticized the Quranic version of stating Mary as the sister of Aaron before Hadrat Mughirah bin Shu`bah, he was not able to satisfy them, because Prophet Aaron had passed away centuries earlier. When he presented the problem before the Holy Prophet, he replied, "Why didn't you say that the Israelites named their children after their Prophets and other pious men?" That is, "You could have answered their objection like this as well."

MaxInDHouse:


YES! Not a single word of Jesus' message was penned down while he was alive on earth but he said:

“I still have many things to say to you, but you are not able to bear them now. However, when that one comes, the spirit of the truth, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own initiative, but what he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things to come" John 16:12-13

So what has the spirit of truth informed anyone in the last 2000 years and how can we prove the declaration?

So it was after his resurrection that God used His Holy Spirit to anoint them {Act 2:1-4} and they began to remember everything Jesus taught them, inconsistencies are due to reports they got from different disciples who happens to be eyewitnesses of the events where the writer is not present himself.

Any proof to support this?

Take for instance the gospel account of John was written in the year 98 c.e after he has written the final last of the Bible.
WHY?
In his record John made us to understand that Jesus said something but it was misinterpreted among the first century Christians so it's like John's account was to correct that misconception as well as to pen down things he himself remembered! John 21:20-25

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You mean John was written tens of years after Jesus left? No wonder he penned down what he remembered and whatever he doesn't remember nko?

Rashduct4luv:
So what has the spirit of truth informed anyone in the last 2000 years and how can we prove the declaration?

According to that book called (Bible) the God who claimed He Created everything wants us to live forever on this planet as our permanent destination {Psalms 115:16} so the earth belongs to fleshy creatures while the heavens (spirit realms) was designed for spirit life.
But if God will get the praise He deserves from the living then there should be love, joy and peace permeating the earth. So God promised that He will use His Holy Spirit to gather people from all the nations of the earth under one umbrella {Isaiah 2:2} then they will start using His words to teach themselves {Isaiah 2:3} and the result of this will be people resolving all their racial disparities among themselves, diverting their resources into the production of food and information materials, forgoing racism, politics and military services so they won't think of building destructive weapons against their fellowman! Isaiah 2:4
Well right from the year 1914 a group known today as JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES claimed Jesus returned in their midst and started teaching them to correct all the blunders in RELIGION.
Of course no right thinking person will swallow such story but then this group has since then being improving in everything written in that Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 even today people globally know Jehovah's Witnesses as the most peaceful and peaceloving group. Matt 15:14-16; 7:16-18
It's just as if their members from different countries throughout the world are speaking the same language as they all have the same line of thought! John 17:22
So if you ask me what the spirit has informed anyone since 2000 years ago, i can say the JWs are living example of the fact that the Holy Spirit Jesus promised is REAL!

Any proof to support this?

The accounts themselves shows that each writer saw different events and that's what they penned down. It's when each of them wants to conclude the story that they needed to ask eyewitnesses and don't forget they did not sit down in just one place rather each of them penned his own account based on what he remembered and what he heard from eyewitnesses.

You mean John was written tens of years after Jesus left? No wonder he penned down what he remembered and whatever he doesn't remember nko?

Whatever Matthew did not remember Mark will pen down, and whatever Luke did not remember John will that's how the story was completed.
The true God said in His law:

“No single witness may convict another for any error or any sin that he may commit. On the testimony of two witnesses or on the testimony of three witnesses the matter should be established" Deuteronomy 19:15

So the true God made sure that at least not one not two not three but FOUR WITNESSES in the first century penned down what they knew about His only begotten Son Jesus of Nazareth!

Mat you have PEACE!

Rashduct4luv:


Many people where witnesses to some the revelation as there were scribes writing down/memorising the Qur'an. His wife Khadijah, Aaishah, Waraqah ibn Nawfal (a Christian) and many of his companions! Can you tell us who were the eyewitness Matthew, Mark, Luke, John others got their account from? I know Jesus didn't write the New testament. And it's doubtful others wrote it.

Can you mention the names of the Scribes? how was the Pentateuch preserved from generation to generation? Who were the copyists? What were the names of the compilers of the Bible Books? Why are there many translations of the Bible? Why does some Bible have 73 Books while most others 66? Can you mention the names of those who partake in the council of nicea and what were the conclusions as regard the Bible?



Matthew 9:9
The Calling of Matthew
As Jesus went on from there, he saw a man named Matthew sitting at the tax collector’s booth. “Follow me,” he told him, and Matthew got up and followed him.

The verse should have been like this:
As Jesus went on from there, he saw me (Matthew) sitting at the tax collectors Booth. "Follow me," he told me and i got up and followed him.

And who are the "We" that are testifying to what John wrote?

He would have been a superman to have done that. Your Bible was compiled as it is today after the Qur'an.
Can you explain how an unlettered man did that without google in just 23 years?

1. You can already see the flaws. Mohammed has access to the Bible, and many literate people were around him. These so called witnesses look like conspirators to me.

Now. Let me explain certain things to you about the Bible.

First, Jesus didn't institute any religion. His followers simply referred to themselves as disciples. It was unbelievers who named them Christians, meaning 'Christlike'. They did the things Jesus did and exhibited godly characters like Him, hence, the people called them Christians.

Now, since there was no religion, there also was no need to create a religious book. Each of the new testament books were written by the authors as letters to friends, group of friends or churches. The subject of the writings was to clarify the thoughts about whom Jesus is or what followers of Christ must do to live a godly life.

Many of those books were written in the midst of severe persecutions. For instance, Most of Paul's letters were written while he was in prison. He wrote 2Timithy at a time when he was sentenced to death.

John wrote the book of Revelation while he was left to die on the Island of Patmos, far away from all known civilizations.

Each individual author wrote the truth as they knew it. Their writings are considered God breathed because they were moved by His Holy Spirit to write them. That doesn't mean they wrote what God dictated. They wrote by inspiration. Their knowledge, experiences and personal thoughts are used by God to bless others. God still uses people's knowledge and experiences to bless others today.

Now, did any prophet of Israel serve Allah? No! Otherwise, Moses would then have introduced Allah to the Israelites. Then, Judaism would be practice Allah worship. Allah is actually an idol. It's one of the 366 idols of Mecca. Mohammed's father was its priest, and so Mohammed elevated his father's idol. An ex-muslim made a clarification in the video below:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk66U-IMI9g

There are so many flaws in the quoran that proves that Allah isn't God. You only need to be conversant with Israel's history, and science and then read the quoran with an open mind to detect the lies.

Now, the Bible sure has different English translations because the original languages of the Bible - Hebrew and Greek are both complex languages. English on the other hand is always evolving. Each Bible verse says the same things in a different way to give more meaning and understanding to the reader.

Some Bibles have more books because some Christians believe that all collected pieces of writings claiming to be God's word are Devine, while some Christians believe that some books were written by Charlatans. Hence, such books were removed.

Now, who wrote the Book of Matthew? Mathew himself did. He wrote it as a Biography of Jesus, and so he did all his best not to draw attention to himself.

The Book of John was written and endorsed by church leaders as a compilation of Jesus' works. The witnesses who testified to its truth were Jesus' disciples who read and verified the writings.

RoyalDiadems:


1. You can already see the flaws. Mohammed has access to the Bible, and many literate people were around him. These so called witnesses look like conspirators to me.

I see no flaw! How many of the companions were literate? How many of them know the Torah or Injeel? Truth would always look false to whom is inclined to falsehood. Stop making claims you can't substantiate with proofs.

Now. Let me explain certain things to you about the Bible.

First, Jesus didn't institute any religion. His followers simply referred to themselves as disciples. It was unbelievers who named them Christians, meaning 'Christlike'. They did the things Jesus did and exhibited godly characters like Him, hence, the people called them Christians.

You have confirmed Jesus didn't start Christianity. It was actually named by unknown individuals who were faithless. So if Jesus didn't institute any religion, why did you institute a religion name by non-christians? Christianity is the religion named by disbelievers!

Now, since there was no religion, there also was no need to create a religious book. Each of the new testament books were written by the authors as letters to friends, group of friends or churches. The subject of the writings was to clarify the thoughts about whom Jesus is or what followers of Christ must do to live a godly life.

Jesus started no religion, wrote no book, told nobody to write your Bible. It is evident that Mark and Luke were not even disciples.

It is Common knowledge that the compilers of the Bible Books are unknown. Many people wrote many things as to what they thought happened and some changed it to how they wanted it to have happened. How can Paul's letters be in circulation before the four Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John? Paul that did not even meet Jesus physically had to write about 14 out 27 Books of the New Testament! This shows how dubious the Bible authors are! Even the author of Hebrews is debatable. Mark was written about 40 yrs after Jesus.
Even if you were to write the story of your best friend 40 years after he died, i bet you'll certainly write "nonsense".

Many of those books were written in the midst of severe persecutions. For instance, Most of Paul's letters were written while he was in prison. He wrote 2 Timithy at a time when he was sentenced to death.

Of whose business is all this? 2 Timothy was written close to about 70yrs Jesus died. It still amaze me why Mark's Book was the first Gospel written about 40yrs after Jesus and Paul's letter was much around earlier.

John wrote the book of Revelation while he was left to die on the Island of Patmos, far away from all known civilizations.

John's revelation was almost the last of the Bible to be written close to 100CE. That's why it contains much incredible stories and descriptions.

Each individual author wrote the truth as they knew it. Their writings are considered God breathed because they were moved by His Holy Spirit to write them. That doesn't mean they wrote what God dictated. They wrote by inspiration. Their knowledge, experiences and personal thoughts are used by God to bless others. God still uses people's knowledge and experiences to bless others today.

Luke has exposed you already that they wrote from eyewitness account and no Holy Spirit was involved. Many people wrote. Some had to select what they want you to believe. Who were the eyewitnesses? How trustworthy are they?
Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught. Luke 1:1-4

Now, did any prophet of Israel serve Allah? No! Otherwise, Moses would then have introduced Allah to the Israelites. Then, Judaism would be practice Allah worship. Allah is actually an idol. It's one of the 366 idols of Mecca. Mohammed's father was its priest, and so Mohammed elevated his father's idol. An ex-muslim made a clarification in the video below:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk66U-IMI9g

So you have to rely on what an ex-muslim says? Can i relate what an ex-Christian say to you?
All Prophets serve Allah in whatever language they speak to their people. The God Moses introduced to the Israelite is Allah. It is not Jesus + Father + Spirit= One. No Prophet preached this anywhere even in the whole Bible.

The same lies Christian peddle that Allah is an idol. Even the description of Allah in the Qur'an is enough to prove you a liar. You just copy all what some Christians say without sense. Arabs were idolators and no idol was ever named Allah. All their gods have names.
But they still believed in Allah as the supreme God without representation. How can you lie that Muhammad elevated his father's idol to Allah? So why would Muhammad say his father will be in Hell? You are a liar!

There are so many flaws in the quoran that proves that Allah isn't God. You only need to be conversant with Israel's history, and science and then read the quoran with an open mind to detect the lies.

Bring it and let us disprove you! I will definitely be glad to expose your Holy Spirit as a liar here.

Now, the Bible sure has different English translations because the original languages of the Bible - Hebrew and Greek are both complex languages. English on the other hand is always evolving. Each Bible verse says the same things in a different way to give more meaning and understanding to the reader.

Some Bibles have more books because some Christians believe that all collected pieces of writings claiming to be God's word are Devine, while some Christians believe that some books were written by Charlatans. Hence, such books were removed.

Now, who wrote the Book of Matthew? Mathew himself did. He wrote it as a Biography of Jesus, and so he did all his best not to draw attention to himself.

The Book of John was written and endorsed by church leaders as a compilation of Jesus' works. The witnesses who testified to its truth were Jesus' disciples who read and verified the writings.

God is not the author of confusion!

ifiokjohn:
@AntiChristian I'm still awaiting your answer oh.
If Muhammad was the one the Disciples were expecting.
How come he came 600 years after they were dead?
Who was comforting the Disciples in the period Muhammad hadn't come?
How did Muhammad help the Disciples remember all Jesus said when he died 600 years before they came?...who was he then helping to remember?
When u answr this truthfully and critically you will know it couldn't have been ur dear Prophet

They claim the Bible is corrupt yet still use it to authenticate their religion and Mohammed's prophethood.
Funny people

cornelboy:

They claim the Bible is corrupt yet still use it to authenticate their religion and Mohammed's prophethood.
Funny people

I asked them this question..they all ran.

One said Jesus was speaking clearly to the future Disciples not those present

Rashduct4luv:
I see no flaw! How many of the companions were literate? How many of them know the Torah or Injeel? Truth would always look false to whom is inclined to falsehood. Stop making claims you can't substantiate with proofs.

You have confirmed Jesus didn't start Christianity. It was actually named by unknown individuals who were faithless. So if Jesus didn't institute any religion, why did you institute a religion name by non-christians? Christianity is the religion named by disbelievers!

Jesus started no religion, wrote no book, told nobody to write your Bible. It is evident that Mark and Luke were not even disciples.

It is Common knowledge that the compilers of the Bible Books are unknown. Many people wrote many things as to what they thought happened and some changed it to how they wanted it to have happened. How can Paul's letters be in circulation before the four Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John? Paul that did not even meet Jesus physically had to write about 14 out 27 Books of the New Testament! This shows how dubious the Bible authors are! Even the author of Hebrews is debatable. Mark was written about 40 yrs after Jesus.
Even if you were to write the story of your best friend 40 years after he died, i bet you'll certainly write "nonsense".

Of whose business is all this? 2 Timothy was written close to about 70yrs Jesus died. It still amaze me why Mark's Book was the first Gospel written about 40yrs after Jesus and Paul's letter was much around earlier.


John's revelation was almost the last of the Bible to be written close to 100CE. That's why it contains much incredible stories and descriptions.



Luke has exposed you already that they wrote from eyewitness account and no Holy Spirit was involved. Many people wrote. Some had to select what they want you to believe. Who were the eyewitnesses? How trustworthy are they?
Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught. Luke 1:1-4



So you have to rely on what an ex-muslim says? Can i relate what an ex-Christian say to you?
All Prophets serve Allah in whatever language they speak to their people. The God Moses introduced to the Israelite is Allah. It is not Jesus + Father + Spirit= One. No Prophet preached this anywhere even in the whole Bible.

The same lies Christian peddle that Allah is an idol. Even the description of Allah in the Qur'an is enough to prove you a liar. You just copy all what some Christians say without sense. Arabs were idolators and no idol was ever named Allah. All their gods have names.
But they still believed in Allah as the supreme God without representation. How can you lie that Muhammad elevated his father's idol to Allah? So why would Muhammad say his father will be in Hell? You are a liar!

Bring it and let us disprove you! I will definitely be glad to expose your Holy Spirit as a liar here.

God is not the author of confusion!

Man, stop deceiving yourself, or may I say, avoid getting deceived.

All the writers of the Bible are well known people. Mark was a cousin of Barnabas, a companion of Paul. Luke was a disciple of Paul, and a popular doctor in his day.

As I said, almost all writers of the Bible didn't write for religious purposes. They wrote only to provide guidance and education to their audiences. They wrote the truth as they knew it and died for it, even denying the opportunity to recant and be spared of martyrdom. This is quiet different from Mohammed who singlehandedly penned down a book about another nation's prophets and history with all plagiarism while passing it off as a revelation from God. This is a clear attempt to deceive people and block them from accessing the truth.

Islam was founded mainly to attack the gospel of salvation that Jesus brought. If there had been no Christianity, believe you me, there wouldn't have been anything called Islam!

The whole frame of the quoran is a distortion of Israel's history and Christian beliefs. You Muslims even believe that Mohammed had a better grip on Israel's history and prophets than the Israelites themselves. Isn't that delusional?

Did you just blasphem against the Holy Ghost, saying the Holy Ghost lies? That's an unforgiveable sin. It's between you and God.

But, I'll tell you that you cannot disparage the Holy Ghost without disparaging the quoran because most of the writings in the quoran were taken from the Bible. Some quranic writings were even plagiarized word for word. Moreso, in the begining of Mohammed's early deceptive ministry, he directly instructed you his followers to hold the 'People of the Book (Christians and Jews)' in high esteem.

You can't know the truth until you read the Bible and quoran with a mind devoid of biases.

I can pull out so many fallacies including historic and scientific blunders from the Quran that completely erodes its claims on divinity.

Search the truth and hold it firmly once you find it.

May the Lord have mercy on your soul.

RoyalDiadems:


Man, stop deceiving yourself, or may I say, avoid getting deceived.

I am aware and not deceived.

All the writers of the Bible are well known people. Mark was a cousin of Barnabas, a companion of Paul. Luke was a disciple of Paul, and a popular doctor in his day.

Who is Luke? Who is Mark from the Bible? I keep asking you to mention the names of the compilers of your Bible from the first time it was compiled. Who were the copyists from generations gone by? Why was Paul's letter first in circulation before the first four Gospels? All this are shrouded in mystery.

As I said, almost all writers of the Bible didn't write for religious purposes. They wrote only to provide guidance and education to their audiences. They wrote the truth as they knew it and died for it, even denying the opportunity to recant and be spared of martyrdom.

Not really! Many people were writing and they too decided to write based on what they heard others say and write. We all know that the Gospel writers copied one another. It is clear in the four Gospels.

This is quiet different from Mohammed who singlehandedly penned down a book about another nation's prophets and history with all plagiarism while passing it off as a revelation from God. This is a clear attempt to deceive people and block them from accessing the truth.

Stop telling lies. Muhammad was unlettered. He had scribes who wrote for him. And the revealed Qur'an was learnt by heart by him and thousands during his life time.

Islam was founded mainly to attack the gospel of salvation that Jesus brought. If there had been no Christianity, believe you me, there wouldn't have been anything called Islam!

On the contrary, it was to correct the divinity of Jesus which Jesus never claim even in the Bible as it is today. There's nothing like the Gospel of Salvation. All na film trick.

The whole frame of the quoran is a distortion of Israel's history and Christian beliefs. You Muslims even believe that Mohammed had a better grip on Israel's history and prophets than the Israelites themselves. Isn't that delusional?

Foolishness is claiming all those Biblical things happened in Israel and they are more Muslim than Christian. It seems the Islamic narration is correct and better.

Did you just blasphem against the Holy Ghost, saying the Holy Ghost lies? That's an unforgiveable sin. It's between you and God.

But, I'll tell you that you cannot disparage the Holy Ghost without disparaging the quoran because most of the writings in the quoran were taken from the Bible. Some quranic writings were even plagiarized word for word. Moreso, in the begining of Mohammed's early deceptive ministry, he directly instructed you his followers to hold the 'People of the Book (Christians and Jews)' in high esteem.

The Holy Spirit does not exists as you claim. Which sin are you talking about? Na your Bible that one dey? All the trash you have been saying about Muhammad and Allah on our thread are not between you and God? Look at the nonsense Holy Spirit guided you to lie again? You are being controlled by a devil called Holy spirit. Why tell lie again that our Prophet was deceptive?

You can't know the truth until you read the Bible and quoran with a mind devoid of biases.

I know the truth already.

I can pull out so many fallacies including historic and scientific blunders from the Quran that completely erodes its claims on divinity.

Fallacies and blunders that the Holy spirit inspired you in lies that is based on bias and prejudice. If you suffer impotence today na Muslims cause am.

Search the truth and hold it firmly once you find it.

May the Lord have mercy on your soul.

Islam is the truth and every other way is falsehood. Jesus is a Muslim and will return as a Muslim obeying the tenets of Islam.

Rashduct4luv:
I am aware and not deceived. No

Who is Luke? Who is Mark from the Bible? I keep asking you to mention the names of the compilers of your Bible from the first time it was compiled. Who were the copyists from generations gone by? Why was Paul's letter first in circulation before the first four Gospels? All this are shrouded in mystery.


Not really! Many people were writing and they too decided to write based on what they heard others say and write. We all know that the Gospel writers copied one another. It is clear in the four Gospels.

Stop telling lies. Muhammad was unlettered. He had scribes who wrote for him. And the revealed Qur'an was learnt by heart by him and thousands during his life time.

On the contrary, it was to correct the divinity of Jesus which Jesus never claim even in the Bible as it is today. There's nothing like the Gospel of Salvation. All na film trick.

Foolishness is claiming all those Biblical things happened in Israel and they are more Muslim than Christian. It seems the Islamic narration is correct and better.

The Holy Spirit does not exists as you claim. Which sin are you talking about? Na your Bible that one dey? All the trash you have been saying about Muhammad and Allah on our thread are not between you and God? Look at the nonsense Holy Spirit guided you to lie again? You are being controlled by a devil called Holy spirit. Why tell lie again that our Prophet was deceptive?

I know the truth already.

Fallacies and blunders that the Holy spirit inspired you in lies that is based on bias and prejudice. If you suffer impotence today na Muslims cause am.

Islam is the truth and every other way is falsehood. Jesus is a Muslim and will return as a Muslim obeying the tenets of Islam.

My God! Mohammed did a thorough work of deception on you.

Your only remedy is to rid your mind of all biases and ask God to reveal Himself to you. I did this in 1995, 4 years after this, I met Jesus.

Luke was a follower of Paul who also had a close rapport with Peter. He was a renown physician in his day. Mark was a cousin of Barnabas. Barnabas was one of the 120 disciples of Jesus as well as a companion of Paul. All these are found in the Act of Apostles. ( Acts 12:12; 15:37, Colossians 4:14).

If the gospel writers copied each other, then, they would have written word for word, and all views would have been the same. However, the theme of each book differs. The writing styles are different. And details about events were painted differently in terms of view point.

The only eye witness of Jesus was John. Mathew was an eyewitness too but he came much later in Jesus' ministry. So many events had taken place in Jesus ministry before he was involved. Man, you have been fed with lies to even call Jesus a Muslim. The real Jesus of Nazareth is obviously different from the Islamic Jesus.

Paul wrote letters directly to people to correct wrong views and provide instructions. So, why would his letters not be in: early circulation? The gospel writers wrote the gospels many years after they have walked with the resurrected Jesus. Just as a few of us are walking with Him today.

Hahaha! The word Islam or Allah never existed in Israelis vocabulary! How could any of Israel's prophets or the Lord Jesus Himself be a Muslim?

So, Jesus was a Muslim and it took Allah over 500yrs to come and announce that to the world! Jesus had 120 disciples when he was on earth, and none of them ever mentioned Allah or Islam. They never even heard of any Allah or Islam.

I just pity you. The deception of Islam is very obvious! You only need to overcome spiritual blindness for you to see!

In Like 24, Jesus prophesied that Israel would face war after His departure, and that the war would scatter them into all nations. He added that infidels would come and dwell in Jerusalem:

"And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the infidels, until the times of the infidels be fulfilled."

Tell me who are dwelling in Jerusalem today. Muslims, of course. According to Jesus, those Muslims are infidels!

Do not forget that Allah has already confessed to you that he is the best of deceivers:

Sura 3:54
But they were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive, for Allah is the best of deceivers

Sura 7:99
Are they then secure from Allah's deception? None deemeth himself secure from Allah's deception

RoyalDiadems:


My God! Mohammed did a thorough work of deception on you.

This is the kind of human i see when i see those preaching in the bus. They pretend to be good but in reality mean you worst the most! Of what purpose is it if i say Jesus did a thorough deception on you? of cos, Muslims believe Jesus existed. He preached the message sent him by Allah and this message is what is corrupted in your Bible nowadays.

Your only remedy is to rid your mind of all biases and ask God to reveal Himself to you. I did this in 1995, 4 years after this, I met Jesus.

What color is Jesus? How does he look like? Hope he's not that same Jesus actor? Abeg, next time keep your delusions to yourself. If you have a spirit that is worthwhile you won't have been making so much mistakes here.

Luke was a follower of Paul who also had a close rapport with Peter. He was a renown physician in his day. Mark was a cousin of Barnabas. Barnabas was one of the 120 disciples of Jesus as well as a companion of Paul. All these are found in the Act of Apostles. ( Acts 12:12; 15:37, Colossians 4:14).

If the gospel writers copied each other, then, they would have written word for word, and all views would have been the same. However, the theme of each book differs. The writing styles are different. And details about events were painted differently in terms of view point.

The only eye witness of Jesus was John. Mathew was an eyewitness too but he came much later in Jesus' ministry. So many events had taken place in Jesus ministry before he was involved. Man, you have been fed with lies to even call Jesus a Muslim. The real Jesus of Nazareth is obviously different from the Islamic Jesus.

Paul wrote letters directly to people to correct wrong views and provide instructions. So, why would his letters not be in: early circulation? The gospel writers wrote the gospels many years after they have walked with the resurrected Jesus. Just as a few of us are walking with Him today.

I asked you the names of the copyists, compilers, writers, connonizers, preservers and revisers of the Bible from generations to generation from Genesis? Name them!

Hahaha! The word Islam or Allah never existed in Israelis vocabulary! How could any of Israel's prophets or the Lord Jesus Himself be a Muslim?

So, Jesus was a Muslim and it took Allah over 500yrs to come and announce that to the world! Jesus had 120 disciples when he was on earth, and none of them ever mentioned Allah or Islam. They never even heard of any Allah or Islam.

I just pity you. The deception of Islam is very obvious! You only need to overcome spiritual blindness for you to see!

In Like 24, Jesus prophesied that Israel would face war after His departure, and that the war would scatter them into all nations. He added that infidels would come and dwell in Jerusalem:

"And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the infidels, until the times of the infidels be fulfilled."

Tell me who are dwelling in Jerusalem today. Muslims, of course. According to Jesus, those Muslims are infidels!

The word "Islam" won't exist as it is an Arabic word. Stop the tomfoolery. I am amazed that those who claim to have the Holy Spirit are so dumb than the most foolish atheist. Of what purpose then is the higher spirit you claim to have?

We say all those who obey Allah submitting to him alone are Muslims. All Prophets are Muslims. But you are looking for Islam/Muslim in the Bible as if "Christianity" and "Judaism" are found in the Bible as religions!

As for Jerusalem that you brought Like 24 (which is actually Luke 21:24) was a lie.
Pulpit Commentary
Verse 24 of Luke 21. - And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations. It is computed that 1,100,000 Jews perished in the terrible war when Jerusalem fell (A.D. 70). Renan writes of this awful slaughter, "that it would seem as though the whole (Jewish) race had determined upon a rendezvous for extermination." Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles. After incredible slaughter and woes, Titus, the Emperor Vespasian's son, who commanded the Roman armies, ordered the city (of Jerusalem) to be razed so completely as to look like a spot which had never been inhabited (Josephus, 'Bell. Jud.,' v. 10. § 5).

Do not forget that Allah has already confessed to you that he is the best of deceivers:

Sura 3:54
But they were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive, for Allah is the best of deceivers

Sura 7:99
Are they then secure from Allah's deception? None deemeth himself secure from Allah's deception

Qur'an 3:54 Allah is described in the best possible manner suitable to His majesty for as He is not comparable to anyone.
Sahih International: And the disbelievers planned, but Allah planned. And Allah is the best of planners.

Pickthall: And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers.

Yusuf Ali: And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah.

Shakir: And they planned and Allah (also) planned, and Allah is the best of planners.

Muhammad Sarwar: The unbelievers plotted and God planned, but God is a much better planner;

Mohsin Khan: And they (disbelievers) plotted [to kill 'Iesa (Jesus) ], and Allah planned too. And Allah is the Best of the planners.

Arberry: And they devised, and God devised, and God is the best of devisers.

Qur'an 7:99
Sahih International: Then did they feel secure from the plan of Allah ? But no one feels secure from the plan of Allah except the losing people.

Pickthall: Are they then secure from Allah's scheme? None deemeth himself secure from Allah's scheme save folk that perish.

Yusuf Ali: Did they then feel secure against the plan of Allah?- but no one can feel secure from the Plan of Allah, except those (doomed) to ruin!

Shakir: What! do they then feel secure from Allah's plan? But none feels secure from Allah's plan except the people who shall perish.

Muhammad Sarwar: Did they consider themselves secure from the retribution of God? No one can have such attitude except those who are lost.

Mohsin Khan: Did they then feel secure against the Plan of Allah. None feels secure from the Plan of Allah except the people who are the losers.

Arberry: Do they feel secure against God's devising? None feels secure against God's devising but the people of the lost.

Rashduct4luv:
This is the kind of human i see when i see those preaching in the bus. They pretend to be good but in reality mean you worst the most! Of what purpose is it if i say Jesus did a thorough deception on you? of cos, Muslims believe Jesus existed. He preached the message sent him by Allah and this message is what is corrupted in your Bible nowadays.

What color is Jesus? How does he look like? Hope he's not that same Jesus actor? Abeg, next time keep your delusions to yourself. If you have a spirit that is worthwhile you won't have been making so much mistakes here.

I asked you the names of the copyists, compilers, writers, connonizers, preservers and revisers of the Bible from generations to generation from Genesis? Name them!



The word "Islam" won't exist as it is an Arabic word. Stop the tomfoolery. I am amazed that those who claim to have the Holy Spirit are so dumb than the most foolish atheist. Of what purpose then is the higher spirit you claim to have?

We say all those who obey Allah submitting to him alone are Muslims. All Prophets are Muslims. But you are looking for Islam/Muslim in the Bible as if "Christianity" and "Judaism" are found in the Bible as religions!

As for Jerusalem that you brought Like 24 (which is actually Luke 21:24) was a lie.
Pulpit Commentary
Verse 24 of Luke 21. - And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations. It is computed that 1,100,000 Jews perished in the terrible war when Jerusalem fell (A.D. 70). Renan writes of this awful slaughter, "that it would seem as though the whole (Jewish) race had determined upon a rendezvous for extermination." Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles. After incredible slaughter and woes, Titus, the Emperor Vespasian's son, who commanded the Roman armies, ordered the city (of Jerusalem) to be razed so completely as to look like a spot which had never been inhabited (Josephus, 'Bell. Jud.,' v. 10. § 5).



Qur'an 3:54 Allah is described in the best possible manner suitable to His majesty for as He is not comparable to anyone.
Sahih International: And the disbelievers planned, but Allah planned. And Allah is the best of planners.

Pickthall: And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers.

Yusuf Ali: And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah.

Shakir: And they planned and Allah (also) planned, and Allah is the best of planners.

Muhammad Sarwar: The unbelievers plotted and God planned, but God is a much better planner;

Mohsin Khan: And they (disbelievers) plotted [to kill 'Iesa (Jesus) ], and Allah planned too. And Allah is the Best of the planners.

Arberry: And they devised, and God devised, and God is the best of devisers.

Qur'an 7:99
Sahih International: Then did they feel secure from the plan of Allah ? But no one feels secure from the plan of Allah except the losing people.

Pickthall: Are they then secure from Allah's scheme? None deemeth himself secure from Allah's scheme save folk that perish.

Yusuf Ali: Did they then feel secure against the plan of Allah?- but no one can feel secure from the Plan of Allah, except those (doomed) to ruin!

Shakir: What! do they then feel secure from Allah's plan? But none feels secure from Allah's plan except the people who shall perish.

Muhammad Sarwar: Did they consider themselves secure from the retribution of God? No one can have such attitude except those who are lost.

Mohsin Khan: Did they then feel secure against the Plan of Allah. None feels secure from the Plan of Allah except the people who are the losers.

Arberry: Do they feel secure against God's devising? None feels secure against God's devising but the people of the lost.

Lol. You'll know of what colour Jesus is on the day you meet Him. If you don't meet Him here, you'll meet Him in the hereafter.

There isn't a single Muslim in the history of Israel. No one faces Mecca to pray. No one uses beads to pray. No one does ablution. None of the prophets know anyone called Allah. There's no Muslim in the history of Israel. Allah is not God, and I can prove it to you from your Quran.

Asking me the name of the copyists and compilers just shows how ignorant you are.

I already made you know in a previous post that the books of the Bible were not initially written for religious purposes. Genesis to Deuteronomy was written as a constitution and historical records for Israel's Theocratic government. So, you can't be talking of copysts when you're talking about books that concern an entire nation. They were not seen as religious books by the generations that wrote them. Subsequent generations adopt the books as religious books only after a religious pattern had been formed among the people. So, such books would naturally be copied by multiple persons and handed down from generation to generation. All nations have such books detailing their founding history and nationhood. For Israel, what they have is the Old Testament Bible.

Forget about all the deceptive translations that are intended to mislead people away from the original import of the Arabic texts. Makr, according to all Arabic dictionaries mean Deception. You can't argue with the books. Even wikislam translated that verse as deception. It says "Allah is the best deceiver.". I have attached wikislam and Arabic dictionary images of the definition below for your perusal. You can also confirm from your Arabic dictionaries.

All those words such as Plan, Scheme, Devise and Retribution have their own Arabic words which is not makr.

Plan in Arabic is Khuta.

Devise in Arabic is aibtukir.

Scheme in Arabic is mukhatat.

Retribution in Arabic is alqasas.

How makr is now translated into so many other words apart from its original meaning is baffling. A very sinister attempt to obscure the truth of that verse from the scrutiny of non Arabic readers.

Yeah, Jesus spoke about the war that would consume Jerusalem as recorded by Luke. He said gentiles/infidels would thread down Jerusalem until the time of the gentiles is fulfilled. This particular prophesy of Jesus does not require any argument because once the time of the gentiles is over, the original owners of the land shall repossess it. The time of the gentiles is gradually phasing out. If those people scattered abroad as Jesus said they would do. If they became a nation again as Jesus said they would (after 2000yrs of scattering abroad, they became a nation again in 1948), then the remaining parts of the prophecy would be fulfilled. No need to argue about that. And for your information, the time of the gentiles has been running since Titus took over the city.

It's easy to be so tied to the religion your father put into your hands. You need to take a brief walk away and ask God to lead you aright in order to find the truth.

Hell is not a sweet place to be.

By the end of time , light shall come to you

AntiChristian:
We will refer to Jesus as ‘Eesa throughout this article.

I will like to inform you that among what a Muslim must ''believe in'' is to believe in the Prophets as stated in the authentic Islamic texts. This Prophets includes Ibrahim (Abraham), Musa (Moses), Isma'eel (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Yaqoob (Jacob), Ayyob (Job), Yoonus (Jonah), Haroon (Aaron), Sulaiman (Solomon), Dawud (David), Idrees (Enoch), Dhul Kifl (Isaiah), Lut (Lot), Zakariyya (Zachariah), Ilyaas (Elijah), Al-Yasa (Elisha), Yahya (John), 'Eesa (Jesus) and Muhammad (Peace be upon them all). And the knowledge of their numbers belongs to Allah only! We believe all of them were sent by Allah to certain set of people. Some were given Inspired Books like Torah (Musa), Zabur (Dawud) Injeel ('Eesa), Qur'an (Muhammad), etc.

The beliefs of a Muslim towards ‘Eesa ibn Maryam (Jesus the son of Mary – peace be upon him).

1. Muslims do believe in ‘Eesa as a Prophet, a messenger and a noble slave of Allah sent to the children of Israel to call them to believe in Allah alone and to worship Him alone.

2. ‘Eesa was never a god or the son of God as the Christians claim.

3. We believe that Allaah supported him with miracles that proved he was speaking the truth. Many Prophets before him did miracles. The miracles includes ‘Eesa speaking while he was still in the cradle, breathing in to a clay bird making it turn to a live bird, healing the blind & lepers, quickening the dead, etc. All this happens solely with the permission of Allah.

4. We believe ‘Eesa has no father and his mother Maryam was a virgin. This is similar to Adam who has no father or Mother and Hawa (Eve) who has no mother but was created from Adam (peace be upon them both).

5. We believe that he permitted to the Jews some of the things that had been forbidden to them.

6. We believe that he did not die and his enemies the Jews did not kill him, rather Allaah saved him from them and raised him up to heaven alive.

7. We believe that he told his followers of the coming of our Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

8. We believe that he will come back down at the end of time, and will disprove the claim of his enemies the Jews that they killed him, and will disprove the claim of the Christians that he is God or the son of God, and he will not accept anything from them but Islam.

9. Then he will die and the Muslims will offer the funeral prayer for him and bury him.

These are the beliefs of a Muslim towards ‘Eesa ibn Maryam (peace be upon him) as founded in the Books of Islam.

We ask Allaah to make us steadfast in faith and to cause us to die as believers.
May the Peace and blessings of Allaah be upon all the Prophets and all those who follow their Sunnah till the day of recompense!

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Beyhiodie:
By the end of time , light shall come to you

Let's wait till then!

hmmm How powerful are the manipulations of the forces against men to blind their understanding from Light.., May His mercy shine on you with great deliverance.Amen ...

AntiChristian:


Let's wait till then!

Beyhiodie:
hmmm How powerful are the manipulations of the forces against men to blind their understanding from Light.., May His mercy shine on you with great deliverance.Amen ...

Na forces you keep fighting from your birth in Christianity till you die. Forces don't die. Na Christians dey die.

you are a victim of random opinion and large ignorance about what you claim to know. You no longer deserve my time , all the best with you

AntiChristian:


Na forces you keep fighting from your birth in Christianity till you die. Forces don't die. Na Christians dey die.

Beyhiodie:
By the end of time , light shall come to you

Islam is the light of the world. We already have the light!

AntiChristian:


After you cut out all my questions which you can't answer till you die you now want me to answer you right?

Why are you cutting out my response?

Oro pesi je ni. Brother, no one will answer you o.

ifiokjohn:
bless you bro.
Na so I dey with some of them for one WhatsApp group.. Christian Muslims debate group and I dey finish them. U can give me your number so I can add you up

hmm