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Re: Is Islam God Only Understand Arabic by wis3(m): 10:46pm On May 27, 2022 |
TenQ:You brought about Zakir Naik and Late Ahmed Deedat. Are they the authors of the Quran? Are they one of Allah's prophets? Your arguments are invalid. |
Re: Is Islam God Only Understand Arabic by DonroxyII: 10:58pm On May 27, 2022 |
Kobojunkie:I don't post to your satisfaction because you are mentally insatiable ... It comes with the Psychos: Who is hell bent on giving a Nymph Orgasm on every Session I post to educate people who may need one or two Enlightenment about the Op and that's all: See you around |
Re: Is Islam God Only Understand Arabic by TenQ: 11:11pm On May 27, 2022 |
haekymbahd:The old Hebrew DID not have diacritical marks and vowels too AND it did not result to different accents. Even then, what you are saying is that errors came into the Qur'an because there were no diacritical marks. Such like as in Yoruba Language (Aja=dog, Aja=roof) are errors that came in because of lack of diacritical marks. So, how can you then argue a changeless Qur'an when diacritical marks could change the meaning of words? Ask natural Arab speakers, they will disagree with you on this If two or more Muslims read your so called versions of the Quran you wouldn't detect the difference you will only detect it when you see it written down because the Quran was written down in the approved accents with diacritical marksThis is what your sheikhs sell to you because they assume you don't understand Arabic. Christian Prince is of Arab dissent and he disgraces such narratives like this above. But still yet, it exposed the standard Islamic Narrative that the Qur'an had been perfectly preserved even to the diacritical marks. We all now know that this is a FALSE statement. You make it seem like the only problem is the diacritical marks: How about extra words? Qur'an 57:24 Between Warsh and Hafs version, there is an extra word. (The meaning is not totally changed however, but there is an extra Word) where According to Hafs=Allah is the self sufficient According to Warsh=Allah the self Sufficient SAME verse, two different meanings! If there is just one extra word, the Qur'an cannot claim to be perfectly preserved to the diacritical marks! |
Re: Is Islam God Only Understand Arabic by TenQ: 11:23pm On May 27, 2022 |
wis3:I told you about the Meaning of the Glorious Qur'an (as my first hardcopy English Qur'an which led me away from Islam) I told you I read all the books of Ahmed Deedat! Apparently, you didn't know Ahmed Deedat (a South African Muslim) I assumed you will know Zakir Naik and I introduced him as a disciple of Ahmed Deedat! You discountenanced the bolded which reported the version of the Qur'an I read to speaking about Ahmed Deedat and Zakir Naik AS IF I introduced them as writing the Qur'an. That is a DISHONEST attitude. A Taqqiyya on your part EXCEPT you can show where I connected either of them to the Qur'an. Why did you not mention Marmaduke Pickthall, the author of the meaning of the glorious Qur'an? Can you show where I connected either Ahmed Deedat or Zakir Naik to the Qur'an? |
Re: Is Islam God Only Understand Arabic by haekymbahd(m): 11:28pm On May 27, 2022 |
TenQ:The moment you realized the Quran was revealed orally to Muhammad and he wasn't given a book you doubt will become clear.... The written Quran was typed and you can't rule the fact that there may be typo error. The Quran is what is being recited and not what is written. Your problem is that you think the Quran written down is the Quran revealed by Allah. Quran itself means recitation and there are approved dialects and accents.... What Muslims are saying is that the Quran being recited today is the same as was being recited at the time of the prophet not what is written down because those recitation (dialect and accents) can be traced back to the prophet himself.. |
Re: Is Islam God Only Understand Arabic by TenQ: 11:42pm On May 27, 2022 |
haekymbahd:No sir. The reason why the memories of the Sahab could not be relied upon indefinitely was that many of those who had memorized the Qur'an were dying in jihad. Those who hadn't died were forgetting some ayahs and surahs. This necessitated the compilation of the Qur'an in written form. The moment Uthman made a codex, the Qur'an ceased being a recitation to a written book. The moment Uthman distributed the codex, it makes it final. Are there other recitations of the Qur'an you accept other than that which has been preserved in written form? Typo error in the Qur'an? I am surprised at you because you have deviated away from the standard Islamic Narrative. The standard Islamic Narrative believe that the Qur'an is perfect preserved to the last dot (unlike the bible). Anyway, small small we shall arrive at the whole truth! |
Re: Is Islam God Only Understand Arabic by haekymbahd(m): 12:09am On May 28, 2022 |
TenQ:Uthman never added diacritical marks to his codex. He sent written Qurans to different provinces accompanied with Readers to teach the recitation of the Quran. The Quran was eventually written down in each Qiraat of the readers he sent to teach the Quran which can be traced back to the prophet.. All of the accepted qirāʾāt follow three basic rules: 1. Conformity to the consonantal skeleton of the ʿUthmānic muṣḥaf. 2. Consistency with Arabic grammar. 3. Authentic chain of transmission. Those qirāʾāt that fall short of these conditions are shādhdh (anomalous/irregular). Any Arabic Quran that doesn't conform with this above are not accepted. |
Re: Is Islam God Only Understand Arabic by AntiChristian: 6:28am On May 28, 2022 |
SIRTee15: I went to Google? So you are an Angel monitoring me when I visited the Google? The Qu'ran never muddle up anything. Everything needed for us is clear in the Qu'ran. And as i said before, your rants has no benefit to you or anyone. How does the name of Mary's father concern me or you in this thread? And Maryam is Mary and is different from Miriam! |
Re: Is Islam God Only Understand Arabic by mhmsadyq(m): 6:38am On May 28, 2022 |
DonroxyII: Jazakallahu khairan. Most times these christians already have their own answers to questions they ask about Islam. We shouldn't give answers to please any christian. I love your reply! |
Re: Is Islam God Only Understand Arabic by mhmsadyq(m): 6:40am On May 28, 2022 |
DonroxyII: Thank you. 1 Like |
Re: Is Islam God Only Understand Arabic by mhmsadyq(m): 6:46am On May 28, 2022 |
TenQ: You aren't seeking for the truth. You are seeking for information to win arguments online and on NL. That, you will always find what suit your delusions. |
Re: Is Islam God Only Understand Arabic by mhmsadyq(m): 6:49am On May 28, 2022 |
DonroxyII: Jazakallahu Khairan. 1 Like |
Re: Is Islam God Only Understand Arabic by mhmsadyq(m): 6:51am On May 28, 2022 |
haekymbahd: At this point, i think you should ignore him. |
Re: Is Islam God Only Understand Arabic by mhmsadyq(m): 6:55am On May 28, 2022 |
wis3: Forget about him. They have their answers before asking questions. Let him win, that is why he argues. It cannot change your Islam. |
Re: Is Islam God Only Understand Arabic by Lawag3: 8:06am On May 28, 2022 |
wis3: The Quran contradicts itself |
Re: Is Islam God Only Understand Arabic by Lawag3: 8:08am On May 28, 2022 |
wis3: Please take two different versions of the bible and compare them most of them have the same message the same meaning |
Re: Is Islam God Only Understand Arabic by wis3(m): 8:17am On May 28, 2022 |
Lawag3:They're not thesame https://www.compellingtruth.org/difference-old-new-testament.html |
Re: Is Islam God Only Understand Arabic by Lawag3: 8:20am On May 28, 2022 |
haekymbahd: This is the problem I have with you Moslems from the Quran I have read the book is a book of confusion. I have been told by a sheikh to that Allah replaced some verses with more suitable verses. You are trying to say Allah was confused on what to write down in his book |
Re: Is Islam God Only Understand Arabic by Lawag3: 8:24am On May 28, 2022 |
wis3: Explain to me more I really want to know why you think that they are not the same |
Re: Is Islam God Only Understand Arabic by TenQ: 8:55am On May 28, 2022 |
mhmsadyq:[s]I don't need to tell lies in a faceless forum like this. Moreover, deceit or deception is a very Serious sin especially if it is done in the name of God in Christianity. [/s] Ahmed Deedat's books got me interested in Islam. I counted the cost. I knew my parents will be hurt if I converted into Islam BUT I knew that they would not disown me not stop paying my tution. My major problem thanks to Ahmed Deedat was Trinity. I wanted to serve God truly and then of it has to be Islam, so be it. But thereafter, in seeking for for knowledge in Islam, I knew that so many things were wrong. Islam truely sent me back to Christ! |
Re: Is Islam God Only Understand Arabic by wis3(m): 9:00am On May 28, 2022 |
Lawag3:
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Re: Is Islam God Only Understand Arabic by wis3(m): 9:03am On May 28, 2022 |
TenQ:Like you were ever a Muslim to begin with Keep lying to yourself inugo |
Re: Is Islam God Only Understand Arabic by wis3(m): 9:07am On May 28, 2022 |
TenQ:This clearly explains why alot of Christians are easily brainwashed by pastors. There are about 3billiion Muslims all over the world and you'd use Ahmed Deedat who wasn't even a Prophet the validate you claims Clearly you're just arguing for arguments sake |
Re: Is Islam God Only Understand Arabic by TenQ: 9:22am On May 28, 2022 |
haekymbahd:You are repeating the same thing all over again. It is NOT about whether you accept a Qur'an's rendition or not. It is about the fact that other Qur'ans are in existence. This means that there are other Quranic scriptures unlike what the standard Islamic Narrative says. The Islamic narratives say The Qur'an is perfectly preserved down to the diacritical marks .... Unlike the bible where you have KJV, NIV, NWT etc. The Qur'an is ONE. The problem of you Muslims is even higher-up: your problem is selecting between Arabic Qurans based on some set rules than selecting between TRANSLATIONS still based on these rules. My issue with Islam is that EVEN THOUGH your Scholars had known this TRUTH for ages, they kept on selling false narratives to the Muslim community! The ease at which your scholars tell lies to promote Islam is disturbing. I once read up a hadith (I can't remember which one now, I would have posted it here) which was a watered down real rendition in Arabic. A native Christian Arab speaker brought it to my notice and on Google checking, he was correct and the translation was being deceptive. Can we defend God with lies? I can hardly trust English translations of either the Qur'an or the hadiths now. Sometimes I have to do word checks with Google translate. This in my opinion is a bad strategy for defending God. |
Re: Is Islam God Only Understand Arabic by TenQ: 9:34am On May 28, 2022 |
wis3:Your comprehension of English is Appalling! Ahmed Deedat's books led me to Islam. Reading the Qur'an by myself led me back to Christ. What could be more explicitly stated than that. |
Re: Is Islam God Only Understand Arabic by TenQ: 9:36am On May 28, 2022 |
wis3:I was never a Muslim although I almost recited the Shahada! I never ever claimed to have been a Muslim. Any one who cares for the truth will find it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V73m8RPIIg |
Re: Is Islam God Only Understand Arabic by haekymbahd(m): 10:26am On May 28, 2022 |
Lawag3:There is no confusion the confusion only arise in your brain. Aren't you confused when some of the law of the old testament were not valid in new testament hence you called them ceremonial law. The most important thing to understand about abrogationis that it is never for statements. It is only for commands. What that means is nowhere in the Quran did it ever say ‘X is Y’ and then later that verse was abrogated. What can and did get abrogated was commands such as ‘Do X’. Commands are not statements of facts thus them changing is not a contradiction. In accordance with simple logic, sometimes commands have to change because of a change in circumstance. A command made for a time of persecution is not always useful or applicable in a time of safety and power. This is why abrogation is used. So, it is the differing and changing circumstances that necessitates differing commands. The question will be true if we know that God Almighty sent down the abrogated verses while He did not know that He will change it in the future. But this is not the case. Indeed, the abrogated verses were sent down by God while these verses were time limit. It means that, according to the situation of the people and community, God sent down these verses and then He changed these time limit verses with abrogating verses. |
Re: Is Islam God Only Understand Arabic by SIRTee15: 10:33am On May 28, 2022 |
AntiChristian: You can't answer that question because u dont know. Even top Islamic scholars dare not attempt. Honest ones admitted it was a mistake in the koran. In Arabic, both Miriam and Mary are called Maryam. There's no distinct name for Miriam. Mohammed confused both names and attributed some of Miriam's identity to Mary. Imran is the father of Moses, Aaron and Mirian. Joachim is the father of Mary and never had a brother called Aaron. That was a blunder in your koran. The above is very important because it destroys the credibility of the koranic version of Jesus Christ. The koran confused Jesus' mother with someone who had lived 1500 years before her. Yet u want us to believe what koran say about Jesus. Isa is not Jesus Christ, they are 2 different characters. |
Re: Is Islam God Only Understand Arabic by haekymbahd(m): 10:47am On May 28, 2022 |
TenQ:So reciting the Quran with different accent to you means there are other Qurans. You are impling that when an Hausa man and a Yoruba Man recite the same verse of the Quran they are reciting different Quran because of their accent. Sometimes accent might change the meaning of word when translated that is the main reason their are rules guiding the acceptance of this and not all Qiraat are accepted... Don't get it twisted when we say christians are using different version of bible this is what Muslims mean read the preface of RSV bible and understand better to christians it is not a matter of accent but dubious translations to support one doctrine over another. It is the same reason why Jehovah witnesses might have had to produce their own version of the bible they might have understood that the author of KJV was a trinitarian christian which will have an effect on his translation of the bible... Preface to the Revised Standard Version (2nd ed., 1971) The Revised Standard Version of the Bible is an authorized revision of the American Standard Version, published in 1901, which was a revision of the King James Version, published in 1611. The first English version of the Scriptures made by direct translation from the original Hebrew and Greek, and the first to be printed, was the work of William Tyndale. He met bitter opposition. He was accused of willfully perverting the meaning of the Scriptures, and his New Testaments were ordered to be burned as “untrue translations.” He was finally betrayed into the hands of his enemies, and in October 1536, was publicly executed and burned at the stake. Yet Tyndale’s work became the foundation of subsequent English versions, notably those of Coverdale, 1535; Thomas Matthew (probably a pseudonym for John Rogers), 1537; the Great Bible, 1539; the Geneva Bible, 1560; and the Bishops’ Bible, 1568. In 1582, a translation of the New Testament, made from the Latin Vulgate by Roman Catholic scholars, was published at Rheims. The translators who made the King James Version took into account all of these preceding versions; and comparison shows that it owes something to each of them. It kept felicitous phrases and apt expressions, from whatever source, which had stood the test of public usage. It owed most, especially in the New Testament, to Tyndale. The King James Version had to compete with the Geneva Bible in popular use; but in the end it prevailed, and for more than two and a half centuries no other authorized translation of the Bible into English was made. The King James Version became the “Authorized Version” of the English-speaking peoples. The King James Version has with good reason been termed “the noblest monument of English prose.” Its revisers in 1881 expressed admiration for “its simplicity, its dignity, its power, its happy turns of expression ... the music of it cadences, and the felicities of its rhythm.” It entered, as no other book has, into the making of the personal character and the public institutions of the English-speaking peoples. We owe to it an incalculable debt. Yet the King James Version has grave defects. By the middle of the nineteenth century, the development of Biblical studies and the discovery of many manuscripts more ancient than those upon which the King James Version was based, made it manifest that these defects are so many and so serious as to call for revision of the English translation. The task was undertaken, by authority of the Church of England, in 1870... http://www.bible-researcher.com/rsvpreface.html |
Re: Is Islam God Only Understand Arabic by mhmsadyq(m): 2:32pm On May 28, 2022 |
TenQ: I still don't think you truely seek for knowledge. You only seek for validation for your doubts in christianity. There are many materials on youtube and other media, even on NL, questioning the christianity and it beliefs. Do you agree with any of these damaging videos and literatures? |
Re: Is Islam God Only Understand Arabic by DonroxyII: 3:00pm On May 28, 2022 |
mhmsadyq:Welcome Sir: Wa Iyakum! |
Re: Is Islam God Only Understand Arabic by TenQ: 3:43pm On May 28, 2022 |
mhmsadyq:You were not part of my history, so how can you know? If I had recited the Shahada then, would your conclusion still be this? It's obvious to me that you've never read any of Ahmed Deedat's books. Why Should I want to become a Muslim to validate Christianity? Does this statement of yours make meaning to you? The flaws were obvious to me as I began to read the Qur'an: I was forced to slow down what would have been a hasty decision on my part. On my voyage to becoming a Muslim, the Qur'an sent me back to Christ ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V73m8RPIIg |
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