compton11:
Hadith in this world are more than that.

Some are fake, fabricated, unreliable.

deceit sounds like Yahweh handiwork.


how come are they disputing,all Muslims believe he didn't die.

But that ain't the case,I asked how judasi died according to Bible.

We are saying the same thing. Almost HALF your hadiths are fabricated. 2000 lies is not a joke.


How come all Christians can say how Jesus died but Muslims are confused about the same question.
If Muslims are asked what happened to Jesus, you'll hear as many excuses as they are.

They are in dispute about what happened to Jesus as they can't explain it. Some say it was Judas that was crucified, others say one random man was crucified, the rest are confused according to Allah desire.

compton11:
the toward has to be a place where sun goes down.

So how do sun goes down there?

Effect of slamming heads on the ground while memorising verses without thinking!
Read the scripture again!


At least we have proved that your Allah does not know beyond what the average Arab man knew 1200 years ago

Truvelisback:
Nice one.

Let me give you an example of gross Islamic lies even in the translation of the Qur'an.



Qur'an 33:56
إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ وَمَلَـٰٓئِكَتَهُۥ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى ٱلنَّبِىِّ ۚ يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ صَلُّوا۟ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلِّمُوا۟ تَسْلِيمًا


Do you know what it says?
It says Allah and his angels pray for Mohammed.

Check out يُصَلُّونَ in Google translate you'll get

يُصَلُّونَ= they pray
يُصَلُّونَ= pray
يُصَلُّونَ= worship
يُصَلُّونَ= say a prayer

Look at the Muslims translation into English

Here are five different English translations
Qur'an 33:56
Indeed, Allāh confers blessing upon the Prophet, and His angels [ask Him to do so]. O you who have believed, ask [Allāh to confer] blessing upon him and ask [Allāh to grant him] peace.
— Saheeh International

Qur'an 33:56
Surely, Allah and His angels send blessings to the Prophet. O you who believe, do pray Allah to bless him, and send your Salām (prayer for his being in peace) to him in abundance.
— Mufti Taqi Usmani

Qur'an 33:56
God and His angels bless the Prophet - so, you who believe, bless him too and give him greetings of peace.
— Abdul Haleem

Qur'an 33:56
Allah and His angels bless the Prophet. 1 Believers, invoke blessings and peace on him.2
— Tafheem-ul-Quran - Abul Ala Maududi

Qur'an 33:56
Lo! Allah and His angels shower blessings on the Prophet. O ye who believe! Ask blessings on him and salute him with a worthy salutation.



Ask them where they got the word bless/blessing? It doesn't exist.


To clear doubts,
صَلُّوا۟ = send blessings



Islam is a Religion of DECEIT and DECEPTION

TenQ:

Let me give you an example of gross Islamic lies even in the translation of the Qur'an.



Qur'an 33:56
إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ وَمَلَـٰٓئِكَتَهُۥ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى ٱلنَّبِىِّ ۚ يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ صَلُّوا۟ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلِّمُوا۟ تَسْلِيمًا


Do you know what it says?
It says Allah and his angels pray for Mohammed.

Check out يُصَلُّونَ in Google translate you'll get

يُصَلُّونَ= they pray
يُصَلُّونَ= pray
يُصَلُّونَ= worship
يُصَلُّونَ= say a prayer

Look at the Muslims translation into English

Here are five different English translations
Qur'an 33:56
Indeed, Allāh confers blessing upon the Prophet, and His angels [ask Him to do so]. O you who have believed, ask [Allāh to confer] blessing upon him and ask [Allāh to grant him] peace.
— Saheeh International

Qur'an 33:56
Surely, Allah and His angels send blessings to the Prophet. O you who believe, do pray Allah to bless him, and send your Salām (prayer for his being in peace) to him in abundance.
— Mufti Taqi Usmani

Qur'an 33:56
God and His angels bless the Prophet - so, you who believe, bless him too and give him greetings of peace.
— Abdul Haleem

Qur'an 33:56
Allah and His angels bless the Prophet. 1 Believers, invoke blessings and peace on him.2
— Tafheem-ul-Quran - Abul Ala Maududi

Qur'an 33:56
Lo! Allah and His angels shower blessings on the Prophet. O ye who believe! Ask blessings on him and salute him with a worthy salutation.



Ask them where they got the word bless/blessing? It doesn't exist.


To clear doubts,
صَلُّوا۟ = send blessings



Islam is a Religion of DECEIT and DECEPTION

hmmmm, so, which general type of Koran are they using?

sagenaija:
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You can see from your post the quagmire of Islam. Nothing is straightforward. Nothing is clear.
This again confirms what I always say - ISLAM SPEAKS FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE MOUTH. There is no issue in Islam that you wouldn't find an opposite or contradictory position, making it easy for any Moslem to choose which or what to believe.

A hadith is classified as sahih. Obviously, some Islamic scholar or scholars did that. Some other ones come up with some new rules and decide that the classification by the first group is not "authentic" enough.
Now, when you have multiple rules what happens is that it gives room for any kind of interpretation and application. This is Islam. It claims to be a CLEAR guidance to mankind yet it is nothing but clear.

With TALES FROM ARABIA like this Zul-Qarnain story ask yourself the question, "What guidance is in this story for me?"

Recall that Al-Bukhari had to disregard over 98% of the hadiths he went through. Even the ones he eventually compiled have almost half of it duplicated.

It is all these issues that make some of you run to become ”koran only” Moslems. Even then the issues are not resolved. The Koran says "he found it set in a spring of murky water...." Notice again the following:
1. He found it. It did not say 'he saw it' which could be interpreted by you guys as his personal view. What is 'found'?
2. It set in a. What is 'it set in a?
So, you can see that there is really no way to get around the fact that something is not quite right here.
3. The sun rises and sets every day. Why did the Koran present this story as if there is something special in 'discovering' where the sun sets? It was a 'mystery' that the writer of the Koran thought he wanted to reveal the answer to the 7th century Arabians. Unfortunately, that betrayed his ignorance. Despite that 21st century Moslems are still looking for how to justify the justifiable.

You are the one with the issue you just want to attack Islam hence you closed your sence of reasoning.

Also could you not see the setting of the sun means evening i.e it was talking about time when the sun was setting.

Meaning by the time Zulqornain got to the spring of muddy water was at the evening time (sun set) and near it he saw some people.

When humans use the word sun set or sunrise what do they mean are they not describing time. Do sun really set or rise?


Qur’an 18:86
“Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found (wajada) it set in a spring of murky water: ....


It could also mean west or east since he Zul qornain was traveling so it could mean when reached the west.

Since sun sets in the west and rises in the east.

Look at the bible verse below

Deuteronomy 11
30 Are they not beyond the Jordan, west of the road, where the sun goes down, in the land of the Canaanites living in the Arabah opposite Gilgal, beside the oaks or terebinths of Moreh?


Where does the sun goes down kindly answer this do sun go down in the land of the cannanites?


It seems it is only when people use your bible for you that is when you start reason cos you already have your preconceived answers no matter the explanation you will still to argue.

You forgot that the word sun rise and sunset or sun goes down are just figurative expression more like a metaphor because the sun never set nor rise of nor goes down or up but you are taking it literally just because everyone is attacking Islam you also want to be part.

Allah SWT said:

"It is not allowable for the sun to reach the moon, nor does the night overtake the day, but each, in an orbit, is swimming."
(QS. Yaseen 36: Verse 40)

Truvelisback:
hmmmm, so, which general type of Koran are they using?

They claim that the use just one Arabic Qur'an but less than 15% of them understand Arabic. So, they are at the mercy of their Islamic scholars who are prolific liars!

haekymbahd:
You are the one with the issue you just want to attack Islam hence you closed your sence of reasoning.
Also could you not see the setting of the sun means evening i.e it was talking about time when the sun was setting.
Meaning by the time Zulqornain got to the spring of muddy water was at the evening time (sun set) and near it he saw some people.
When humans use the word sun set or sunrise what do they mean are they not describing time. Do sun really set or rise?
Qur’an 18:86
“Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found (wajada) it set in a spring of murky water: ....
It could also mean west or east since he Zul qornain was traveling so it could mean when reached the west.
Since sun sets in the west and rises in the east.
Look at the bible verse below
Deuteronomy 11
30 Are they not beyond the Jordan, west of the road, where the sun goes down, in the land of the Canaanites living in the Arabah opposite Gilgal, beside the oaks or terebinths of Moreh?
Where does the sun goes down kindly answer this do sun go down in the land of the cannanites?
It seems it is only when people use your bible for you that is when you start reason cos you already have your preconceived answers no matter the explanation you will still to argue.
You forgot that the word sun rise and sunset or sun goes down are just figurative expression more like a metaphor because the sun never set nor rise of nor goes down or up but you are taking it literally just because everyone is attacking Islam you also want to be part.
Allah SWT said:
"It is not allowable for the sun to reach the moon, nor does the night overtake the day, but each, in an orbit, is swimming."
(QS. Yaseen 36: Verse 40)

You are doing two things here. First, you're refusing to directly explain how Mohamed's explanation of the Koran verse fits your comments. You have avoided that. Second, you are quoting another verse to draw attention away from the core verse that has issues.

I asked you to explain some words and phrases in the verse in question. You have not done that. When you say, 'it could...', 'he could be', etc you're simply speculating.

That portion did not say 'setting of the sun', 'sunset', or similar phrases. It says 'set in'. If I say "The stone went into a pool of water” will you say that is the same as " The stone went towards a pool of water"? Sunset is different from 'the sun set in'. Here it is again: "he found it set in a spring of murky water...."

While sunset can refer to the time when the sun was setting, the word 'in' found in this verse has to do with location.

Also, if it is possible to determine defective, inauthentic, bogus, or false hadiths why hasn't Islam spared us the trouble by expunging them from its books and coming up with a CLEAN version for all to use. Does the FACT that they exist not in itself complicate things for Islam? What can you trust? Which can you trust? How can you even be sure that an isnad that will make you classify a hadith as "authentic" is not FAKED?

sagenaija:
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You are doing two things here. First, you're refusing to directly explain how Mohamed's explanation of the Koran verse fits your comments. You have avoided that. Second, you are quoting another verse to draw attention away from the core verse that has issues.

I asked you to explain some words and phrases in the verse in question. You have not done that. When you say, 'it could...', 'he could be', etc you're simply speculating.

That portion did not say 'setting of the sun', 'sunset', or similar phrases. It says 'set in'. If I say "The stone went into a pool of water” will you say that is the same as " The stone went towards a pool of water"? Sunset is different from 'the sun set in'. Here it is again: "he found it set in a spring of murky water...."

While sunset can refer to the time when the sun was setting, the word 'in' found in this verse has to do with location.

Also, if it is possible to determine defective, inauthentic, bogus, or false hadiths why hasn't Islam spared us the trouble by expunging them from its books and coming up with a CLEAN version for all to use. Does the FACT that they exist not in itself complicate things for Islam? What can you trust? Which can you trust? How can you even be sure that an isnad that will make you classify a hadith as "authentic" is not FAKED?

Answer this first

Look at the bible verse below
Deuteronomy 11
30 Are they not beyond the Jordan, west of the road, where the sun goes down, in the land of the Canaanites living in the Arabah opposite Gilgal, beside the oaks or terebinths of Moreh?

Where does the sun go down kindly answer this do sun go down in the land of the cannanites?


When you say sun rise, sun set, sun goes up, sun goes down is it a figurative expression (metaphor) or not?

Does the sun rise, set, go up or go down?




When 7 or more narrates the same incident and only one have a narration that is odd from the rest will you take that as authentic or not why did you christians disregard the other gospel books and select only 4?

TenQ:

Effect of slamming heads on the ground while memorising verses without thinking!
Read the scripture again!


At least we have proved that your Allah does not know beyond what the average Arab man knew 1200 years ago

why are u pained?

Toward the down of the sun has to be town or city.

How do sun go down there?

TenQ:

We are saying the same thing. Almost HALF your hadiths are fabricated. 2000 lies is not a joke.

and we ain't that worry cos our core belief is Qur'an that is from Allah.

TenQ:

How come all Christians can say how Jesus died but Muslims are confused about the same question.
If Muslims are asked what happened to Jesus, you'll hear as many excuses as they are.

even there was contradictions in Matthew,mark ,Luke and John about his crufiction!



.

TenQ:

They are in dispute about what happened to Jesus as they can't explain it. Some say it was Judas that was crucified, others say one random man was crucified, the rest are confused according to Allah desire.

on that judasi stuff,how did he died?

haekymbahd:
Answer this first

Look at the bible verse below
Deuteronomy 11
30 Are they not beyond the Jordan, west of the road, where the sun goes down, in the land of the Canaanites living in the Arabah opposite Gilgal, beside the oaks or terebinths of Moreh?
Where does the sun go down kindly answer this do sun go down in the land of the cannanites?
When you say sun rise, sun set, sun goes up, sun goes down is it a figurative expression (metaphor) or not?
Does the sun rise, set, go up or go down?
When 7 or more narrates the same incident and only one have a narration that is odd from the rest will you take that as authentic or not why did you christians disregard the other gospel books and select only 4?

This is where the Koran affects your brains negatively. Let me show you what I mean.

That verse does not stand alone. Therefore, you must look at it in its CONTEXT. The sun is not what that portion is talking about. The sun is only used as a 'signpost' if you would, to the SUBJECT of that portion.

That portion started earlier in the verses before this, talking about the land God is giving to the children of Israel. It continues in the verse you stated to say that the mountains mentioned earlier are "beyond the Jordan, west of the road, where the sun goes down, in the land of the Canaanites"

So, the sun going down here is a description of the direction of where those initially mentioned places are. Again, the SUBJECT is not the sun. It is the places referred to earlier.

NOTICE that it DID NOT say "where the sun goes into" or anything to that effect. What it is saying is in effect "toward the setting sun”.

In the case of the Koran what we see is: "he found it set in a spring of murky water...."
Notice: 'found it' and 'in a spring'. These are locational, not directional, or reference to time. Do you get it?

compton11:
and we ain't that worry cos our core belief is Qur'an that is from Allah.


even there was contradictions in Matthew,mark ,Luke and John about his crufiction!



.
on that judasi stuff,how did he died?

Let me help you with only one point since we have agreed that Allah thinks the sun set IN the murky waters AND the Sun rises upon a people that have been protected by Allah from its harshness.

Judas hung himself and his entrails burst open on falling from his heights.

If you think the bible says anything different too bad.


Unfortunately, Allah and Muslims cannot be trusted to know anything of factual nature!

compton11:
why are u pained?

Toward the down of the sun has to be town or city.

How do sun go down there?

Head slammers are the ones in pains and we know why!



Let me give you an example of gross Islamic lies even in the translation of the Qur'an.



Qur'an 33:56
إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ وَمَلَـٰٓئِكَتَهُۥ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى ٱلنَّبِىِّ ۚ يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ صَلُّوا۟ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلِّمُوا۟ تَسْلِيمًا


Do you know what it says?
It says Allah and his angels pray for Mohammed.

Check out يُصَلُّونَ in Google translate you'll get

يُصَلُّونَ= they pray
يُصَلُّونَ= pray
يُصَلُّونَ= worship
يُصَلُّونَ= say a prayer

Look at the Muslims translation into English

Here are five different English translations
Qur'an 33:56
Indeed, Allāh confers blessing upon the Prophet, and His angels [ask Him to do so]. O you who have believed, ask [Allāh to confer] blessing upon him and ask [Allāh to grant him] peace.
— Saheeh International

Qur'an 33:56
Surely, Allah and His angels send blessings to the Prophet. O you who believe, do pray Allah to bless him, and send your Salām (prayer for his being in peace) to him in abundance.
— Mufti Taqi Usmani

Qur'an 33:56
God and His angels bless the Prophet - so, you who believe, bless him too and give him greetings of peace.
— Abdul Haleem

Qur'an 33:56
Allah and His angels bless the Prophet. 1 Believers, invoke blessings and peace on him.2
— Tafheem-ul-Quran - Abul Ala Maududi

Qur'an 33:56
Lo! Allah and His angels shower blessings on the Prophet. O ye who believe! Ask blessings on him and salute him with a worthy salutation.



Ask Muslims where they got the word bless/blessing? It doesn't exist.


To clear doubts,
صَلُّوا۟ = send blessings



Islam is a Religion of DECEIT and DECEPTION

sagenaija:
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In the case of the Koran what we see is: "he found it set in a spring of murky water...."
Notice: 'found it' and 'in a spring'. These are locational, not directional, or reference to time. Do you get it?

He found it (sun) set (evening) in a spring of murky water..


When you say sun set what does it mean isn't it a description of time and a figurative expression.

e.g Call my number when the sun is set in Nigeria because the sun is set in Nigeria does not mean it is set in other countries (location) at that particular point in time.


He found it (sun) set in spring of muddy water (he got to the spring of muddy water at sun set i.e evening) that doesn't mean someone else can't find it set elsewhere.

The description of the setting of the sun is relative to the location (spring of muddy water) of dhul qornain thats why the word he found it was used ..

sagenaija:
So, the sun going down here is a description of the direction of where those initially mentioned places are. Again, the SUBJECT is not the sun. It is the places referred to earlier.

Deuteronomy 11
30 Are they not beyond the Jordan, west of the road, where the sun goes down, in the land of the Canaanites living in the Arabah opposite Gilgal, beside the oaks or terebinths of Moreh?


So you saw this bible verse as description of location but the Quranic verse isn't a description of time (setting of the sun i.e evening)

Setting of the sun might also mean west which describes location.

TenQ:

Head slammers are the ones in pains and we know why!



Let me give you an example of gross Islamic lies even in the translation of the Qur'an.



Qur'an 33:56
إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ وَمَلَـٰٓئِكَتَهُۥ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى ٱلنَّبِىِّ ۚ يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ صَلُّوا۟ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلِّمُوا۟ تَسْلِيمًا


Do you know what it says?
It says Allah and his angels pray for Mohammed.

Check out يُصَلُّونَ in Google translate you'll get

يُصَلُّونَ= they pray
يُصَلُّونَ= pray
يُصَلُّونَ= worship
يُصَلُّونَ= say a prayer

Look at the Muslims translation into English

Here are five different English translations
Qur'an 33:56
Indeed, Allāh confers blessing upon the Prophet, and His angels [ask Him to do so]. O you who have believed, ask [Allāh to confer] blessing upon him and ask [Allāh to grant him] peace.
— Saheeh International

Qur'an 33:56
Surely, Allah and His angels send blessings to the Prophet. O you who believe, do pray Allah to bless him, and send your Salām (prayer for his being in peace) to him in abundance.
— Mufti Taqi Usmani

Qur'an 33:56
God and His angels bless the Prophet - so, you who believe, bless him too and give him greetings of peace.
— Abdul Haleem

Qur'an 33:56
Allah and His angels bless the Prophet. 1 Believers, invoke blessings and peace on him.2
— Tafheem-ul-Quran - Abul Ala Maududi

Qur'an 33:56
Lo! Allah and His angels shower blessings on the Prophet. O ye who believe! Ask blessings on him and salute him with a worthy salutation.



Ask Muslims where they got the word bless/blessing? It doesn't exist.


To clear doubts,
صَلُّوا۟ = send blessings



Islam is a Religion of DECEIT and DECEPTION

As you have become an Islamic scholar kindly differentiate between du'a and salat?

haekymbahd:
As you have become an Islamic scholar kindly differentiate between du'a and salat?

Salat= Salat is how Muslims show both their physical and spiritual submission to Allah.
Dua = Prayers or Supplication to Allah

So, can you also truthfully interpret this Arabic word يُصَلُّونَ to English?

haekymbahd:
He found it (sun) set (evening) in a spring of murky water..
When you say sun set what does it mean isn't it a description of time and a figurative expression.
e.g Call my number when the sun is set in Nigeria because the sun is set in Nigeria does not mean it is set in other countries (location) at that particular point in time.
He found it (sun) set in spring of muddy water (he got to the spring of muddy water at sun set i.e evening) that doesn't mean someone else can't find it set elsewhere.
The description of the setting of the sun is relative to the location (spring of muddy water) of dhul qornain thats why the word he found it was used ..
Deuteronomy 11
30 Are they not beyond the Jordan, west of the road, where the sun goes down, in the land of the Canaanites living in the Arabah opposite Gilgal, beside the oaks or terebinths of Moreh?
So you saw this bible verse as description of location but the Quranic verse isn't a description of time (setting of the sun i.e evening)
Setting of the sun might also mean west which describes location.

You are unwilling to SEE the error in the Koran, plain and simple.

I asked you some questions to help you but you have apparently not looked at them because you know that they will show up the Koran for what it is.

What do you understand by "he found it"?
If someone told you ”I found the sun set in a forest of iroko trees” would you take that to mean that he was in a forest of iroko trees when the sun set? Certainly not. The meaning is clear.

What I'm saying is that the way a sentence is made determines its interpretation or how it is understood. You cannot make other statements where the subject is different or the predicate is differently used and you want to put the understanding of that sentence on another.

The verse of the Koran is talking about the sun. It is not talking about other things IN RELATION to the sun.

The Koran claims to be clear. Why would it then take haekymbahd having to 'fill in the gaps' for us to understand it?

Look at that verse again. Koran 18:86 - "Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of dark mud......."
The first part of the verse already talked about "he reached the setting of the sun". And you want us to think that the second part of the verse is repeating the same thing? Haba!
So to you, 'he found it set in' means 'he got to the spring'. That is what we call[b] THE MAGIC OF ISLAMIC RE-INTERPRETATION[/b]. Next time I'm sure when 'stone' is mentioned you can attempt to convince us that it actually means 'water' not stone.

TenQ:


Salat= Salat is how Muslims show both their physical and spiritual submission to Allah.
Dua = Prayers or Supplication to Allah

so which of the 2 truly means prayer in your own understanding forget about google..

Do Muslims actually make Du'a to Muhammad or Praise Muhammad?

That was why it was opened to different interpretations and based on context..

TenQ:

So, can you also truthfully interpret this Arabic word يُصَلُّونَ to English?

From your explanation do you think Salat is the right word for prayer in English?


From your definition Salat seems like Praise while Du'a looks like prayer?


English does not have the right word for Salat.. You can go to Google it doesn't matter.

Allah and his Angels didn't pray (make Du'a) to Muhammad but send praises upon him?

haekymbahd:
so which of the 2 truly means prayer in your own understanding forget about google..

Do Muslims actually make Du'a to Muhammad or Praise Muhammad?

That was why it was opened to different interpretations and based on context..


From your explanation do you think Salat is the right word for prayer in English?


From your definition Salat seems like Praise while Du'a looks like prayer?


English does not have the right word for Salat.. You can go to Google it doesn't matter.

Allah and his Angels didn't pray (make Du'a) to Muhammad but send praises upon him?

It is like saying that there is a difference between prayers and supplications instead of treating them as synonyms.

Salat is NOT praise. Salat is how a Muslim show his physical and spiritual submission to Allah. When you are called for salat, what are you called upon to do?

The Qur'an did not use the word Dua BUT يُصَلُّونَ.

يُصَلُّونَ can only mean "they pray" or can you prove it means something else?

TenQ:

It is like saying that there is a difference between prayers and supplications instead of treating them as synonyms.

Salat is NOT praise. Salat is how a Muslim show his physical and spiritual submission to Allah. When you are called for salat, what are you called upon to do?

The Qur'an did not use the word Dua BUT يُصَلُّونَ.

يُصَلُّونَ can only mean "they pray" or can you prove it means something else?

well according to the Quran there is difference between du'a and salat they were used in different scenerio

Allah SWT said:

هُنَالِكَ دَعَا زَكَرِيَّا رَبَّهُۥ  ۖ قَالَ رَبِّ هَبْ لِى مِنْ لَّدُنْكَ ذُرِّيَّةً طَيِّبَةً  ۖ إِنَّكَ سَمِيعُ الدُّعَآءِ
"At that, Zechariah called upon his Lord, saying, My Lord, grant me from Yourself a good offspring. Indeed, You are the Hearer of supplication."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 38)

The main difference between Prayer and Supplication is that Prayer is bending down before God to thanks and praise God, whereas Supplication is a special prayer for a humble request.

Prayer is the praise of God. Supplication is to put a humble request before God.

Allah never told Muslims nor did he supplicate or make Dua to/for muhammad but to make salawat (praise or confer blessing upon muhammad) so the translation of the Quran isn't wrong.


When one prays yet not making any supplication (du'a) what is the person actually doing?

Kindly differentiate between prayer and supplication?

Truvelisback:
How come u know much abt the Koran? Are u a Muslim?

Don't be deceived. He copies all those seemingly falsehood from an antislamic website. They're many of them online.

Holy spirit is not involved at the moment.

haekymbahd:
well according to the Quran there is difference between du'a and salat they were used in different scenerio

Allah SWT said:

هُنَالِكَ دَعَا زَكَرِيَّا رَبَّهُۥ  ۖ قَالَ رَبِّ هَبْ لِى مِنْ لَّدُنْكَ ذُرِّيَّةً طَيِّبَةً  ۖ إِنَّكَ سَمِيعُ الدُّعَآءِ
"At that, Zechariah called upon his Lord, saying, My Lord, grant me from Yourself a good offspring. Indeed, You are the Hearer of supplication."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 38)

And I gave you the difference
1. Salat= Worship
2. Dua= Supplication

But the issue is NOT about Salat or Dua but the Arabic word يُصَلُّونَ
Meaning : " they pray!".

Qur'an 33:56
إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ وَمَلَـٰٓئِكَتَهُۥ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى ٱلنَّبِىِّ ۚ يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ صَلُّوا۟ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلِّمُوا۟ تَسْلِيمًا

The highlight in yellow means "they pray" no other thing.

Can you see how your Scholars deceive you!?

haekymbahd:

The main difference between Prayer and Supplication is that Prayer is bending down before God to thanks and praise God, whereas Supplication is a special prayer for a humble request .

Prayer is the praise of God. Supplication is to put a humble request before God.

Allah never told Muslims nor did he supplicate or make Dua to/for muhammad but to make salawat (praise or confer blessing upon muhammad) so the translation of the Quran isn't wrong.


When one prays yet not making any supplication (du'a) what is the person actually doing?

Kindly differentiate between prayer and supplication?

See how you follow the deceptions you learned from the Qur'an.

You said,
Prayer is bending down!?
Then you said,
Then prayers is praise to God!?

Only a clown would believe this.

Again, I present
Qur'an 33:56
إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ وَمَلَـٰٓئِكَتَهُۥ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى ٱلنَّبِىِّ ۚ يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ صَلُّوا۟ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلِّمُوا۟ تَسْلِيمًا


What is the words in yellow highlight?

AntiChristian:


Don't be deceived. He copies all those seemingly falsehood from an antislamic website. They're many of them online.

Holy spirit is not involved at the moment.

Antichristian knows himself very well . He is not as ignorant as both haekymbahd and compton11 in the problems in the Qur'an, so he had stayed off (which was wise of him). But since he had invited himself, I therefore throw a challenge to him (and both haekymbahd and compton11) if they will tell the TRUTH.

Can you please translate the following Arabic words (not from within the Qur'an) to English is you can?

1. لا، إنهم يُصلون لكي يتم قيادتهم

2. يَصلّونَ كُلّ يوم هم لا يَحصَلونَ عَلى مرضى

3. إنهم يصلون من أجل الموت، ولكن لقد حكم عليهم بالعيش متألمين الى الابد

Please what is Yasiluwn (يصلون)?
Can we substitute "confers blessings) in any of the three sentences above?

Then please translate
Qur'an 33:56
إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ وَمَلَـٰٓئِكَتَهُۥ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى ٱلنَّبِىِّ ۚ يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ صَلُّوا۟ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلِّمُوا۟ تَسْلِيمًا


Only if you LOVE the TRUTH!

CC: Truvelisback:
See how they lie

TenQ:

Head slammers are the ones in pains and we know why!



Let me give you an example of gross Islamic lies even in the translation of the Qur'an.



Qur'an 33:56
إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ وَمَلَـٰٓئِكَتَهُۥ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى ٱلنَّبِىِّ ۚ يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ صَلُّوا۟ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلِّمُوا۟ تَسْلِيمًا


Do you know what it says?
It says Allah and his angels pray for Mohammed.

Check out يُصَلُّونَ in Google translate you'll get

يُصَلُّونَ= they pray
يُصَلُّونَ= pray
يُصَلُّونَ= worship
يُصَلُّونَ= say a prayer

Look at the Muslims translation into English

Here are five different English translations
Qur'an 33:56
Indeed, Allāh confers blessing upon the Prophet, and His angels [ask Him to do so]. O you who have believed, ask [Allāh to confer] blessing upon him and ask [Allāh to grant him] peace.
— Saheeh International

Qur'an 33:56
Surely, Allah and His angels send blessings to the Prophet. O you who believe, do pray Allah to bless him, and send your Salām (prayer for his being in peace) to him in abundance.
— Mufti Taqi Usmani

Qur'an 33:56
God and His angels bless the Prophet - so, you who believe, bless him too and give him greetings of peace.
— Abdul Haleem

Qur'an 33:56
Allah and His angels bless the Prophet. 1 Believers, invoke blessings and peace on him.2
— Tafheem-ul-Quran - Abul Ala Maududi

Qur'an 33:56
Lo! Allah and His angels shower blessings on the Prophet. O ye who believe! Ask blessings on him and salute him with a worthy salutation.



Ask Muslims where they got the word bless/blessing? It doesn't exist.


To clear doubts,
صَلُّوا۟ = send blessings



Islam is a Religion of DECEIT and DECEPTION

oga what happened to my question?

TenQ:

Let me help you with only one point since we have agreed that Allah thinks the sun set IN the murky waters AND the Sun rises upon a people that have been protected by Allah from its harshness.

while Bible let us know sun set in one specific city.

TenQ:


Judas hung himself and his entrails burst open on falling from his heights.

Evidence of that from the Bible

TenQ:


If you think the bible says anything different too bad.

many many different that Bible say

TenQ:


Unfortunately, Allah and Muslims cannot be trusted to know anything of factual nature!

so Yahweh that is know as father of rumor and deceit should be trusted?

TenQ:

And I gave you the difference
1. Salat= Worship
2. Dua= Supplication

But the issue is NOT about Salat or Dua but the Arabic word يُصَلُّونَ
Meaning : " they pray!".

Qur'an 33:56
إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ وَمَلَـٰٓئِكَتَهُۥ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى ٱلنَّبِىِّ ۚ يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ صَلُّوا۟ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلِّمُوا۟ تَسْلِيمًا

The highlight in yellow means "they pray" no other thing.

Can you see how your Scholars deceive you!?




See how you follow the deceptions you learned from the Qur'an.

You said,
Prayer is bending down!?
Then you said,
Then prayers is praise to God!?

Only a clown would believe this.

Again, I present
Qur'an 33:56
إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ وَمَلَـٰٓئِكَتَهُۥ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى ٱلنَّبِىِّ ۚ يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ صَلُّوا۟ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلِّمُوا۟ تَسْلِيمًا


What is the words in yellow highlight?



Antichristian knows himself very well . He is not as ignorant as both haekymbahd and compton11 in the problems in the Qur'an, so he had stayed off (which was wise of him). But since he had invited himself, I therefore throw a challenge to him (and both haekymbahd and compton11) if they will tell the TRUTH.

Can you please translate the following Arabic words (not from within the Qur'an) to English is you can?

1. لا، إنهم يُصلون لكي يتم قيادتهم

2. يَصلّونَ كُلّ يوم هم لا يَحصَلونَ عَلى مرضى

3. إنهم يصلون من أجل الموت، ولكن لقد حكم عليهم بالعيش متألمين الى الابد

Please what is Yasiluwn (يصلون)?
Can we substitute "confers blessings) in any of the three sentences above?

Then please translate
Qur'an 33:56
إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ وَمَلَـٰٓئِكَتَهُۥ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى ٱلنَّبِىِّ ۚ يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ صَلُّوا۟ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلِّمُوا۟ تَسْلِيمًا


Only if you LOVE the TRUTH!

CC: Truvelisback:
See how they lie

You are so ignorant yet claiming to be a scholar.


Salah itself doesn't mean prayer
The word “salah” literally means “to come close and near”. It is used in the Quran for prayers as well as for blessings.

Through our salah or prayers, we try to come closer to Allah with submission and surrender. Allah also draws near to His Prophets and the Believers through His blessings.


When Salah is used for human it means getting close to Allah through prayers and worship.

When Salah is used for Allah it means Allah getting close to human through love and blessings..



they arrive

ستفسدين كل شيء لو تواجدتِ هنا عندما يصلون
But if you will ruin everything find when they arrive here

عندما يصلون هنا لن يكون هناك فرصة
Once they arrive here, there'll be no chance


arriving

نحن عندنا سيّاح يصلون يوم الجمعة.
We've got tourists arriving on Friday.

pray
انهم يصلون فقدان الايمان يتحول الى يأس
They pray, grant thou, lest faith turn to despair.

لا استطيعُ الانتظار لرؤيتهم يصلون ويمشون حولي بحرية
I can't stand to see them pray and walking around so free.

TenQ:

Salat= Salat is how Muslims show both their physical and spiritual submission to Allah.

This was the definition of Salah you gave do you think it actually means prayer
you don't need google for this (it is more like the way Muslims get closer to Allah).


The translation of the Quran wasn't wrong in any way..

I laughed so much that I almost fell from my chair because of your ignorance. I am sure if you see the bible translated to Arabic for arab christians, you will bring it here that you have seen a new version of the Quran simply because the alphabets are Arabic.

Note that while the Quran is revealed in Arabic, it is not everything that has arabic letters that is the Quran. I am sure you are one of those fanatics that said muslims are islamising Nigeria because of the arabic alphabets used on the Naira note. I wont be suprised because someone once claimed that Muslims wrote the Quran on Nigerian naira.

Coming back to the screen shots you attached, I recognise that it is from the qunut supplication. Muslims ofcourse supplicate to Allah in Arabic, English and whatever language that they understand. There are supplications that were taught by the prophet for different muslim dayto day activities.

You can check on Husnil Muslim for more information.

The buttom line is that the screen shots you attached are from Husnil Muslim. a book that contains different supplications that the prophet taugt muslims and was documented. It is not the Qur'an because the Quran is the word of God not the words of the prophet or any human while Husnil Muslim is majorly the teachings of the prophet.

below is the transliteration and the translation of one of the screen shots you attached.

Transliteration:

Allahumma iyyaka na’budu wa laka nusalli wa nasjudu wa ilayka nas’a wa nahfidu narju rahmataka wa nakhsha adhabaka inna adhabaka bilkuffari mulhiq.


Translation:

O Allah, we worship You only and pray to You and prostrate ourselves before You, and we run towards You and serve You, and we hope to receive Your mercy, and we fear Your punishment. Surely, the disbelievers will receive Your punishment.

alfarouq:
I laughed so much that I almost fell from my chair because of your ignorance. I am sure if you see the bible translated to Arabic for arab christians, you will bring it here that you have seen a new version of the Quran simply because the alphabets are Arabic.

Note that while the Quran is revealed in Arabic, it is not everything that has arabic letters that is the Quran. I am sure you are one of those fanatics that said muslims are islamising Nigeria because of the arabic alphabets used on the Naira note. I wont be suprised because someone once claimed that Muslims wrote the Quran on Nigerian naira.

It's obvious you didn't read through else you would not come up with this extremely LAME excuse for the Qur'an

There are at present more than 30 different Arabic versions of the Koran in circulation. The five main versions are.

1) Hafs Quran, 95% General Muslim World.
2) Warsh Quran 3% Algeria, morocco
3) Qaloon Quran .7% Libya
4) Dooree Quran .3% Sudan +West Africa
5) Ibn Aamir Quran 1% Yemen.

If you have no idea of the existence of these set of Qur'an, why don't you read up. The only argument you can then propose is that the Qur'ans have no single difference between them.

alfarouq:

Coming back to the screen shots you attached, I recognise that it is from the qunut supplication. Muslims of course supplicate to Allah in Arabic, English and whatever language that they understand. There are supplications that were taught by the prophet for different muslim day to day activities.

You can check on Husnil Muslim for more information.

The buttom line is that the screen shots you attached are from Husnil Muslim. a book that contains different supplications that the prophet taugt muslims and was documented. It is not the Qur'an because the Quran is the word of God not the words of the prophet or any human while Husnil Muslim is majorly the teachings of the prophet.

below is the transliteration and the translation of one of the screen shots you attached.

Transliteration:

Allahumma iyyaka na’budu wa laka nusalli wa nasjudu wa ilayka nas’a wa nahfidu narju rahmataka wa nakhsha adhabaka inna adhabaka bilkuffari mulhiq.


Translation:

O Allah, we worship You only and pray to You and prostrate ourselves before You, and we run towards You and serve You, and we hope to receive Your mercy, and we fear Your punishment. Surely, the disbelievers will receive Your punishment.

Hello,
I didn't invent either Surat al-Khal or Surat al-Hafd. It is your Islamic scholars who argued it's elimination from the Uthmanic Qur'an. How could I have posted a screenshot of those verses without you Muslims?

Maybe what you truely have to do is to educate everyone about Surat al-Khal or Surat al-Hafd.

Do you know this great Islamic Scholar: Dr Shabir Ally?

Here what he truthfully said about the Qur'an's preservation and the erroneous standard Narratives.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqESGCBsO2w


AntiChristian:
compton11:
haekymbahd:
mhmsadyq:
alfarouq:


Dr Shabir Ally claimed that your Scholars have ALWAYS known that the Qur'an has not been perfectly word for word, letter by letter preserved.

Is Dr Shabir Ally unqualified as an Islamic scholar? Has he been paid by Christians to misrepresent Islam?

TenQ:
Do you know this great Islamic Scholar: Dr Shabir Ally?

Here what he truthfully said about the Qur'an's preservation and the erroneous standard Narratives.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqESGCBsO2w


AntiChristian:
compton11:
haekymbahd:
mhmsadyq:
alfarouq:


Dr Shabir Ally claimed that your Scholars have ALWAYS known that the Qur'an has not been perfectly word for word, letter by letter preserved.

Is Dr Shabir Ally unqualified as an Islamic scholar? Has he been paid by Christians to misrepresent Islam?

Why should you choose to live in denial?
The truth ALWAYS set free: what other things have you truthfully but erroneously believed as a good Muslim.

At least, you now know that the standard Islamic Narrative about the preservation of the Qur'an is a big deception

AntiChristian:
compton11:
haekymbahd:
mhmsadyq:
alfarouq:


I can understand your silence!

Peace!
And may you find the TRUTH