coogar:

you are a tool!


the stats above should tell you bolton have the most prolific offside trap in the league because of their high line.

Prolific or most leaky defence? It's no coincidence that Bolton is up there with the shambolic Arsenal defending of this season.

did you pluck this opinion from your rectum?
cahill makes the second fewest tackles of any centre-back, more than only gary caldwell of wigan:

Precisely - he's on the level of Caldwell.

funny how your myopia missed the names of coloccini and koscielny.
retardedly, you even forgot teams like bolton defend more than they attack because of the quality of the team.

Your stoopid stats are saying that Hanley is better than them so why should I mention them? Cahill is worse than Hanley - chew on that if you will.

debosky:

Prolific or most leaky defence? It's no coincidence that Bolton is up there with the shambolic Arsenal defending of this season.

like i said, it boils down to the quality of the team.
evans, smalling, kompany, lescott, etc play for teams who hug possession for 60-70% of the time. . . .how often do their goalies make saves or how often do they get threatened defensively?

Precisely - he's on the level of Caldwell.

you are a tool!
tell us how you inferred this statement or forever shut your mouth.
cahill is in the same level as coloccini. . . .

Your stoopid stats are saying that Hanley is better than them so why should I mention them? Cahill is worse than Hanley - chew on that if you will.

i reiterate you are a plonker. . . . .
my stats only showed hanley/cahill make the 2nd joint most blocks per game. . . . .is blocking the only attribute of a defender?
debosky, what happened to your brain-cells all of a sudden. . . . .brain subsidy removal?

defensive play is largely about positioning
cahill wins offsides (making him suitable for a high line), doesn’t get drawn into many tackles, but does make clearances and blocks (making him a covering defender)!

coogar,
For a 27 year old to have less than 10 caps and just 1 start for his country,I can't rate him.
Besides,is he better than Alex that he is replacing in Chelsea?

just saw coogar's stats
d fact dt cahill is sharing d top of those tables with such defensive "stalwarts" as  CHRISTOPHE BERRA,GARY CALDWELL,ASHLEY WILLIAMS,ROGER JOHNSON,DANNY GABBIDON N PER MERTESACKER should make it clear dt those stat tables arent worth d paper they were printed on.
u can also note d absence of VINCENT KOMPANY,NEMANJA VIDIC,JOHN TERRY,LEDLEY KING,MARTIN SKRTL in those stats,
remember lies,damned lies and STATISTICS!

StarBoard:

coogar,
For a 27 year old to have less than 10 caps and just 1 start for his country,I can't rate him.
Besides,is he better than Alex that he is replacing in Chelsea?

england have the best breed of centre-backs in europe. . .
do you expect him to get ahead of ferdinand, terry, ledley king, carragher, etc?

metresacker has 71 caps for germany - let's assume he's english for one minute.
would metresacker have copped 10 caps for england with his ability?

that is the issue with national caps. . .
sometimes, you just cannot help it if there are so many better seniors. . . .

the fact that cahill has more pace than alex makes him better.

afrodoc:

just saw coogar's stats
d fact dt cahill is sharing d top of those tables with such defensive "stalwarts" as  CHRISTOPHE BERRA,GARY CALDWELL,ASHLEY WILLIAMS,ROGER JOHNSON,DANNY GABBIDON N PER MERTESACKER should make it clear dt those stat tables arent worth d paper they were printed on.
u can also note d absence of VINCENT KOMPANY,NEMANJA VIDIC,JOHN TERRY,LEDLEY KING,MARTIN SKRTL in those stats,
remember lies,damned lies and STATISTICS!

this is simply because bottom teams defend more than top teams. . . . .
in united's last game, johnny evans had no corner-kick to defend against arsenal. . . .
if arsenal were playing bolton, cahill would be defending for 70 mins of the 90. . . .that is the issue, my friend.

joe hart makes an average of 2 saves per game. jaskelenien/vorm make about 12 saves per game.
in your opinion, hart is better than vorm?
seriously?

am not talkin abt goal keepers,we r talkin defenders
wether lower clubs defend more or not is a moot point, in ur opinion ashley williams,stephen taylor(who appears 2ce),cristophe berra n danny gabbidon
are better defenders than terry,kompany,vidic n co just because they r not on ur stats list?
if ur answer is YES they r better than terry n co cos of their stats my response is, wow,SERIOUSLY?
if ur answer is NO despite those stats kompany n co r better than hanley,berra n his gang my response then is, WHAT IS D USE OF D STATS THEN?
cos it seems dt ur point was to prove dt cahill was a gud defender cos of those stats he shared with berra,gabbidon e.t.c if those stats r meant to show dt he is gud then dt means those players not on those stats tables r NOT AS GOOD e.g terry,skrtl,vidic n kompany!

afrodoc:

am not talkin abt goal keepers,we r talkin defenders
wether lower clubs defend more or not is a moot point, in ur opinion ashley williams,stephen taylor(who appears 2ce),cristophe berra n danny gabbidon
are better defenders than terry,kompany,vidic n co just because they r not on ur stats list?
if ur answer is YES they r better than terry n co cos of their stats my response is, wow,SERIOUSLY?

you would never know. . . . .until they have played for the big teams.
terry, kompany and vidic are called upon fewer times than the defenders in the bottom league - that is a super fact. . .

if ur answer is NO despite those stats kompany n co r better than hanley,berra n his gang my response then is, WHAT IS D USE OF D STATS THEN?

the use of the stats simply tells you what gary cahill is good at.
how many goals was van der sar shipping @ fulham? do a comparison with his years in man utd with vidic/rio screening him.
if vidic gets a transfer to swansea or wigan, he would single-handedly keep clean sheets for them? really?

you make me laugh!

cos it seems dt ur point was to prove dt cahill was a gud defender cos of those stats he shared with berra,gabbidon e.t.c if those stats r meant to show dt he is gud then dt means those players not on those stats tables r NOT AS GOOD e.g terry,skrtl,vidic n kompany!

cahill is a bloody good defender and he's better than johnny evans.
is he better than terry, vidic, kompany? i would never know until he starts playing for chelsea and we see what he's got in store.

this debate has reached its natural conclusion, as u say only time will tell if cahill is at d level of those big guys

Ashley young?

is that one a footballer? or even Cahill sef

Well some countries do have em

dayokanu:

Ashley young?

is that one a footballer? or even Cahill sef

Well some countries do have em

coming from the fan of a country that produced metresacker?
what a way to shoot at one's foot?

If Mertersacker can be starting for a top club in your league I mean one of the remaining 2 teams in the CL then that must mean y'all have a shitty league.

Mertersacker as bad as he is is still better than Rio, Cahill, Ledley King, Dawson,

I mean a defence of Mertersacker conceded 5 goals in 7 games while Terry and Upson conceeded 4 goals to Germany alone
Some countries do really have them

dayokanu:

If Mertersacker can be starting for a top club in your league I mean one of the remaining 2 teams in the CL then that must mean y'all have a shitty league.

top club? arsenal is a top club?

Mertersacker as bad as he is is still better than Rio, Cahill, Ledley King, Dawson,

metresacker is better than rio and ledley king?

I mean a defence of Mertersacker conceded 5 goals in 7 games while Terry and Upson conceeded 4 goals to Germany alone
Some countries do really have them

a defence of metresacker has conceded 33 goals this season from 22 league games.
at this stage last season without the bumbling oaf of a nazi, they conceded just 22 goals in 22 games.

pay attention to details

The first 3 games where they shipped the larger part of those goals were played without Mertersacker

dayokanu:

pay attention to details

The first 3 games where they shipped the larger part of those goals were played without Mertersacker

in the first 3 games, arsenal conceded 10 goals.
8 against united and 2 against liverpool, they kept a clean sheet against newcastle.
besides, they had a man sent off in each of the first 3 games. . . .gervinho, frimpong and jenkinson all saw red. . .

in metresacker's first away game, yakubu tore him a new one.

I am sure you are remembering how Yakubu on the regular was tearing Rio new ones every season from Middlesborough to Portsmouth. Some weeks ago he did it again!!!!

dayokanu:

I am sure you are remembering how Yakubu on the regular was tearing Rio new ones every season from Middlesborough to Portsmouth. Some weeks ago he did it again!!!!

rio ferdinand against blackburn?
you are a bumbling oaf. . . .

He did the whole Manure defence again some weeks back

He didnt even bother with individuals this time it was the whole defence

dayokanu:

He did the whole Manure defence again some weeks back
He didnt even bother with individuals this time it was the whole defence

dayokanu:

I am sure you are remembering how Yakubu on the regular was tearing Rio new ones every season from Middlesborough to Portsmouth. Some weeks ago he did it again!!!!

your ability to express yourself in english language is lacking.
what you had written earlier meant yakubu was tearing rio a new one every season and he did rio again some weeks ago.

in actual fact, rio was nowhere on the pitch against blackburn.
the defence unit had valencia, carrick, jones and evra in the defence.

your nincompoopery in recent times is military-grade!

As much as I love nani,does anyone else die a little inside every time he takes our corners or free kicks?

dayokanu ,
Just to spite Arsenal you said Mertersacker was rubbish.
Now to spite United, you say he's better than Rio and half the league put together.
Add to your incoherent facts about games (you alleged) Rio played, and we are undecided as to how you were voted poster of the year on this forum.
Need we ask for a recount,because your recent posts border on insanity ?
Do we need to take your views seriously,given these gaffes and blunders?
Guy, give it a rest.Aren't there rubbish players in Bayern,let alone the bundesliga?if the Germans could give a defensive liability like PM 70-something caps,isn't that an indictment on German defenders?
If your argument is based on Yakubu scoring a defence with Michael Carrick as one of its central pair,then there's no point to your argument.You're a lot smarter than this,Abeg.

Mr_TA:

As much as I love nani,does anyone else die a little inside every time he takes our corners or free kicks?

Make that a lot. . . . damn even Skippo Evra who is a defender has better judgement than Nani whenever he bombs up into the opposition box. As for direct free-kicks, its high time we got a 'real' dead-ball specialist; always wonder why the opposition bother to build a wall, we hardly ever score!

I restate, UTD should just promote Sir Giggsy to coach and specifically teach those wingers how to ping a ball accurately into the box. It was just sheer agony the number of times we got behind the Arsenal defence from the flanks and the 'right' ball just wasn't delievered to the strikers!!!

StarBoard:

dayokanu ,
Just to spite Arsenal you said Mertersacker was rubbish.
Now to spite United, you say he's better than Rio and half the league put together.
Add to your incoherent facts about games (you alleged) Rio played, and we are undecided as to how you were voted poster of the year on this forum.
Need we ask for a recount,because your recent posts border on insanity ?
Do we need to take your views seriously,given these gaffes and blunders?
Guy, give it a rest.Aren't there rubbish players in Bayern,let alone the bundesliga?if the Germans could give a defensive liability like PM 70-something caps,isn't that an indictment on German defenders?
If your argument is based on Yakubu scoring a defence with Michael Carrick as one of its central pair,then there's no point to your argument.You're a lot smarter than this,Abeg.

Per Mertersacker is a terrible defender, But when you compare to other EPL defenders, he manages to look decent.

Watching PM in the BL and how he is disgraced regularly compare to in the EPL where he manages to look decent. Last season Bremen with Mertersacker conceded a whooping 62 goals just better than 3 clubs.

Mertersacker is terrible but still better than Ledley King, to Upson, to Dawson and even better than Rio Ferdinand.

this is because English footballers are some of the worst in Europe

In most countries Theo Walcott, Ashley Young, Gareth Barry, Emile Heskey, Peter Crouch etc would shoemakers not footballers

I wonder how one single country can be cursed that much in football terms

And if you stop fu-cking every UNIPORT babe you would notice that I didnt say that Rio played 2 weeks ago, If you get your argument from a dyslexic Sharon then I am "shorry" for you

StarBoard:

dayokanu ,
if the Germans could give a defensive liability like PM 70-something caps,isn't that an indictment on German defenders?

this question requires solemn meditation.

mbulela:

this question requires solemn meditation.

The clown hasn't managed to touch the question.

dayokanu:

Per Mertersacker is a terrible defender, But when you compare to other EPL defenders, he manages to look decent.

Watching PM in the BL and how he is disgraced regularly compare to in the EPL where he manages to look decent. Last season Bremen with Mertersacker conceded a whooping 62 goals just better than 3 clubs.

Mertersacker is terrible but still better than Ledley King, to Upson, to Dawson and even better than Rio Ferdinand.

this is because English footballers are some of the worst in Europe

In most countries Theo Walcott, Ashley Young, Gareth Barry, Emile Heskey, Peter Crouch etc would shoemakers not footballers

I wonder how one single country can be cursed that much in football terms

And if you stop fu-cking every UNIPORT babe you would notice that I didnt say that Rio played 2 weeks ago, If you get your argument from a dyslexic Sharon then I am "shorry" for you

So you're now trying to be objective to suit your own argument.
Now Mertersacker is decent because he is placed side by side with EPL defenders.
So why were you attacking the Gunners when they were rejoicing upon his signing?
Please,put your education to good use.
If a defender is useless,he is useless.Whether he is in Pluto or Germany.And by your own admission,he is rubbish.

As per players. . .as useless as the above-mentioned players you brought up,there are several over-rated players at Bayern:Robben,Boateng (Boateng failed in the EPL) for starters. I don't see what you are raving about,like rubbish players are a rarity in the Bundesliga.
Naldo, Mertersacker's defensive partner was what?

I'm pretty sure Baba Suwe saga has influenced your line of reasoning. I won't drag myself to gutter references as that would amount to lying with dogs and not expecting to get fleas and ticks.I'm above that.
Come up with sensible posts/responses and we will debate with you.
As per the Yakubu argument,what is this:

dayokanu:

I am sure you are remembering how Yakubu on the regular was tearing Rio new ones every season from Middlesborough to Portsmouth. Some weeks ago he did it again!!!!

Who were you refering to?A few weeks ago was when?
You now changed tune to "United" defence.

dayokanu:

He did the whole Manure defence again some weeks back

He didnt even bother with individuals this time it was the whole defence

You must  be pathetic if you can flip-flop within immediate posts.The defence you listed had Michael Carrick as make-shift center back,yet you want us to take you seriously.
I hope you aren't thinking we are dumb over here.Try the Arsenal thread.I know what I read.For you to conjecture that I get my info from whomever is a cop-out.
Go and sleep if you have nothing better to do on your internet.

mbulela:

this question requires solemn meditation.

Ohm shanti Ohm.

StarBoard:

dayokanu ,
Just to spite Arsenal you said Mertersacker was rubbish.
Now to spite United, you say he's better than Rio and half the league put together.
Add to your incoherent facts about games (you alleged) Rio played, and we are undecided as to how you were voted poster of the year on this forum.
Need we ask for a recount,because your recent posts border on insanity ?
Do we need to take your views seriously,given these gaffes and blunders?
Guy, give it a rest.Aren't there rubbish players in Bayern,let alone the bundesliga?if the Germans could give a defensive liability like PM 70-something caps,isn't that an indictment on German defenders?
If your argument is based on Yakubu scoring a defence with Michael Carrick as one of its central pair,then there's no point to your argument.You're a lot smarter than this,Abeg.

dayokanu is a disgrace. . . . . .

when i say the guy does not watch premier league games, people feel i just witch-hunt him.
after his monumental goof that he saw yakubu tearing rio a new one few weeks ago, he's now trying to swim out of his error. . . . .i would cause chaos in a defence unit of valencia and carrick with rafael and ji sung park protecting the back four. . . . .

now to metresacker, he's easily the most useless defender in the league. . .the number of times welbeck sodomized him is a pointer!
that arsenal are where they are is solely because of the bumbling oaf!
for dayo to even compare metresacker to rio shows how idiotic dayo reasons. that he's nominated the poster of the year is an insult to all members of this sports community. is dayo really smart in football matters or is it because his tongue sometimes manages to find the butt-crack of the moderators?

the poof even went further to say ashley young, walcott, barry should be shoe-makers but the toni kroos that gives him penile [i]e[/i]rections went a whole 13 months without scoring a league goal in the bundesliga.
sometimes, you just have to stand up for dayokanu's idiocy - which if you convert to megawatts, it would solve the electricity problems of africa as a whole.

After reading the last page or so,I'm starting to wonder whether this European Football forum is worth tissue paper down the WC if dayokanu can be declared poster of the year
It only goes to confirm my sentiment that these polls have no credibility.
I wonder why these trolls bother to conduct these silly polls.

Don't mind the pillock. . .I mentioned Arjen Robben and Jerome Boateng as wack-a$$ players in Bayern, like the Bundes-shyta has all-pros. . .i forgot about that misfit called Kroos. . .someone Dayo was raving about sometime ago.

StarBoard:

After reading the last page or so,I'm starting to wonder whether this European Football forum is worth tissue paper down the WC if dayokanu can be declared poster of the year
It only goes to confirm my sentiment that these polls have no credibility.
I wonder why these trolls bother to conduct these silly polls.

posting youtube videos of terry g and obesere appeals more to some fans than football analysis and tactical dissection.
up till now, dayo does not understand the team formation of chelsea. he feels whenever lampard is missing from chelsea starting line up, mata drops behind torres even though he's been told several times that mata plays as a left foward for chelsea.
the dude is really a donkey!

Don't mind the pillock. . .I mentioned Arjen Robben and Jerome Boateng as wack-a$$ players in Bayern, like the Bundes-shyta has all-pros. . .i forgot about that misfit called Kroos. . .someone Dayo was raving about sometime ago.

he didn't even know about toni kroos appalling scoring record in the bundesliga until i told him.
like a doofus, he tried to argue it out until i showed him the facts and he disappeared like a vampire in the sahara desert as usual.
my mongrel understands football better than dayo.

let me go and call Dayo.
it is not good talking behind a man's back.

mbulela:

let me go and call Dayo.
it is not good talking behind a man's back.

tell him i am waiting to scald his behind with a hot electric iron.

mbulela:

let me go and call Dayo.
it is not good talking behind a man's back.

I was talking to his lame-a$$ before he went on hibernation. . .are you his advocate?

coogar:

posting youtube videos of terry g and obesere appeals more to some fans than football analysis and tactical dissection.

His only specialty on these pages. . .But when you ask him about a loss, he starts copping excuses about how Bayern is top of Bundeshyt-a.

coogar:

he didn't even know about toni kroos appalling scoring record in the bundesliga until i told him.
like a doofus, he tried to argue it out until i showed him the facts and he disappeared like a vampire in the sahara desert as usual.

So why was he ranting about the fella?Just to make noise with the Arsenal posse, i guess.

coogar:

my mongrel understands football better than dayo.

, mongrel=local dog=bingo. . .

StarBoard:

The clown hasn't managed to touch the question.So you're now trying to be objective to suit your own argument.
Now Mertersacker is decent because he is placed side by side with EPL defenders.
So why were you attacking the Gunners when they were rejoicing upon his signing?
Please,put your education to good use.
If a defender is useless,he is useless.Whether he is in Pluto or Germany.And by your own admission,he is rubbish.

Mertersacker is a useless defender when he was in the Bundesliga. In the Bundesliga a mertersacker defence was conceding 1.79 goals/game while in the EPL he reduced to 1.1 goals per game. That must either show that PM has really impoved or EPL players are simply dumb. I go with the latter.

If a defender is useless he is useless? Really? taiye Taiwo was a ball of fire in France, He is a liability in Milan, Alex was a super defender in Eredivisie, He was a liability in EPL.

Starboard are you high on shekpe?

As per players. . .as useless as the above-mentioned players you brought up,there are several over-rated players at Bayern:Robben,Boateng (Boateng failed in the EPL) for starters. I don't see what you are raving about,like rubbish players are a rarity in the Bundesliga.
Naldo, Mertersacker's defensive partner was what?

Robben is overrated at Bayern really? you must be high on skunk. Did you watch the 2010 CL? Reminder below

[flash=400,400]http://www.youtube.com/watch=/v/pWFS5Tr8TVI[/flash]