Alex Ferguson on Ravel Morrison's move to #WHU: "he's best off out of Manchester". London's East End must have fewer distractions #MUFC

836 - Man Utd passes vs Stoke tonight, the 2nd-most by a team in a PL game this season (after Man City vs Stoke (924)). Repeat

mbulela:

give it a rest,lad.
Fergie might be going insane but he is not yet as insane as this Morrison kid.
A boy that most of the coaches in the reserves are not even on talking terms with again.
A boy that all the coaches (not just fergie) came to a joint conclusion that he is just not worth the stress.
He should go and win the World's best player elsewhere.It just might not be worth it.

montelik:

Well you are entitled to your opinion about DW19, was just making d point that JH14 has quite a way to go before comparisons to d likes of Ruud, Shearer e.t.c. D same way DW19 has a way to go before comparisons to Andy Cole.

RuuDie:

@ Montelik,

This is not an argument about JH14. . . . . . its about offloading that waste-pipe DW19 very, very, very far from O.T!

StarBoard:

Someone says he should work on his finishing and positioning.
Yet Welbeck claims to be a striker and is deficient in both departments.
I rest my case.

debosky:

If he didn't have areas he needs to work on he would be perfect. Can you name any striker who doesn't need to improve in those two areas?

debosky:

Welbeck is a young striker who is improving gradually. The person who should be taking the stick for some average performances isn't Welbeck, but Fergie for benching a striker at his peak like Berbatov and playing Welbeck too frequently. He shouldn't be starting as many games as he does right now.

debosky:

His goal return is decent (even if he wastes chances) so there's no need to get up in arms over him. His wage demands may be too high, but at 22 he shouldn't be earning peanuts at Utd. As a player in his first full season in the first team, he's done well enough.

StarBoard:

Thierry Henry, Pippo Inzaghi, Ruud van Nistelrooy,Dwight Yorke,Alan Shearer,Christian Vieri,Gabriel Batistuta, Andriy Shevchenko.
All were almost faultless when it came to positioning and finishing.

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He's been at United since 2008/9:this would make it his fourth season,albeit with some loan experience outside OT.In fact that should add to his CV.
If you still think he's young,think again.He's been around longer than Javier Hernandez,around the same age as well.Point to note.

You forget that the wasted chances he's throwing away regularly can be the difference between a champion and an also-ran. I can now see why Arsenal fans are content with nothing after 6 years.

If you tolerate throwing away three chances when placed through on goal,some of us don't.

If he wants to get the megabucks, he should prove it on the pitch.

RuuDie:

Never made comparisons but just tried to point out to Afrodoc (who was taking a swipe at JH14) that at the very least we know the type of striker JH14 is or shaping up to be - a poacher, a finisher - doesn't know how to dribble or pass, but sure knows where the goal is, even blind-fold. . . . . .but DW19, what kind of striker is he or at best, has the potential to be!!!?

debosky:

Were they all 'almost faultless' at 21?

debosky:

Been around longer meaning what? How many games has he played in the first team? That's the measure we should be looking at not simply how long he's been on the books at United.

debosky:

Oh puhleeze - Welbeck should realistically be a third choice striker at Utd behind Rooney and Berbatov, if not also behind Hernandez. Compare his stats against a third choice striker in any of the top leagues and tell me if he's better or worse than them.

debosky:


Like I said, if he's being given more responsibility than he can handle at this stage, the problem is with Fergie not DW.

It's all relative - RVP threw away a glorious chance against Utd that he fluffed with the net at his mercy. That's just how the game goes.

debosky:


He is clearly worth more than 15k a week - he should be on at least double that at the minimum. I'm beginning to agree with CR9 that being at United is like slavery.

StarBoard:

You conveniently edited out my statement about being a prodigy.
You have a way of dancing around the issue:which in this case is about attributes needed to be a succesful striker.Stick to it,and stop muppeting around.

He (Welbeck) has been playing longer than Hernandez at United.Don't get me into that bull about first team.In fact Welbeck has had more EPL experience than Hernandez, yet he had to be sent out on loan TWICE to develop his game.This season he (Welbeck ) has played more games.Hernandez,a foreigner who was supposed to struggle with the language and weather hit the ground running in his first season and has a better goals/game ratio.

I refer you to United's 1999 squad.Which among Teddy Sheringham,Ole Gunnar Solskjaer,Dwight Yorke and Andy Cole were rated third,fourth striker?

A "third" striker at United is playing more games than Dimitar Berbatov and Javier Hernandez who lit up the EPL last season.Where is your logic?If Danny Welbeck is demanding for 60k a week,he has to prove it on the pitch.

ritchboy:

Una dey mind Debo?

He just feels obligated to talk up Welbeck persistently on these pages after categorically stating he's "miles ahead of Sturridge"

ritchboy:

Una dey mind Debo?

He just feels obligated to talk up Welbeck persistently on these pages after categorically stating he's "miles ahead of Sturridge"

debosky:

**In Benitez' voice**

That's a fact.

afrodoc:

@starboard hernandez and welbeck are not abt d same age like u said.d mexican is TWO N A HALF years older than welbeck so u shouldnt tink their development will b at d same stage plus chicharito is a regular international n hs played n scored in d world cup so i believe i am ryt to say he is OLDER n more EXPERIENCED.
go n check d development of van nistelrooy,thierry henry n several other players dt went on score goals by d bucketloads n u will see dt many were not prolific at 21 and even some of them hadnt showed signs of how good they were going to be.this is not a referendum on weda welbeck is beta than hernandez BUT wt i am saying is for his age,xperience he is not doing too badly and such negative criticism from fans is not helping anyone.
and d point dt chicharito is an excellent poacher so dts enuf is dangerous advice for d young boy,poachers r a dying breed cos football is evolving, its not enuf for a guy to hide for 80 minutes n then just tap in a brace.strikers hav to b hardworkers who get involved in build up weda tru d wings,tru d middle or wit their back to goal.
if chicharito doesnt build up his physique,technique n general team play not only will he b shipped out of united he myt not achieve his potential.
welbeck on d other hand while still raw has beta technique n team play than d mexican.
talking abt welbecks finishing,despite andy coles impressive goal scoring he was never described as a clinical finisher.welbeck will get stronger,more intelligent n become a beta finisher at old trafford BUT i agree ferguson should not b playing too often for now

afrodoc:

when chicharito made his debut for united he was ALREADY 22,had played 4 seasons of senior football at chivas and played in d world cup
welbeck just turned 21(he still is ONE YEAR younger NOW than chicharito was at his debut) and has limited big game experience so pls you people should give him a chance!

my belief is they are still both young,talented,very hungry,eager to learn, with great attitudes SO i hope d club keeps both cos they could rily b great in d future.
however singling out one striker especially ur youngest isnt d way to go, they both hav positives n negatives n i pray d negatives get erased off as time passes.

berbatov makes it difficult for fergie to choose him regularly with his languid style, dt style doesnt work well when ur midfield is carrick,scholes or carrick giggs.
u cant hav too many luxury players hovering round dt midfield cos it xposes us at d back.wit sickbay ferdi n sojourner evra at d back we nid guys to run  n close up ryt from d front.berbatov is a very talented player but not all talents can play at one's club ,i would like him to go exhibit his sublime talents elsewhere, keep rooney,welbeck,chicharito n get a younger,skillful bt more athletic player to replace berbatov

afrodoc:

coogar there is no such thing as a perfect striker and even if there was his name wouldnt be javier hernandez! his finishing is topnotch,his runs r great and he has great anticipation also BUT he sometimes has d 1st touch of a female elephant in labour,body strength of a lily and as to d passes HE is d one who almost always overhits or underhits his passes! once a move gets to hernandez before he is in d box n its not a one on one wit d keeper e.g back to defender or out on d wings or tightly marked i know dt move will fizzle out.
they both nid extramural classes n berba nids to go n b sublime elsewhere

afrodoc:

there r videos of silvestre making great tackles or gibson makin great tackles n 40yard passes,that doesnt make them xperts at dt skill.for every video u post of hernandez wit a gud 1st touch there 50 videos of his horrendous first touch killing a united move! when a move involves hernandez at d beginning or somewhere in d middle rather than at d end IT DIES.

there were many coaches in france who said drogba lacked d technique,finishing n stamina to make it in top flight football.at age TWENTY FOUR after 4 seasons in d french DIVISION 2 he had scored TWELVE GOALS(IN 4 YEARS),he finally lost his place to daniel cousin(remember him) who they said was faster n hd beta technique.

welbeck does not pick himself for these matches,fergie does, all welbeck does is train hard n wait for team list to arrive so get off his back n jump on fergie's.i am not saying danny shud b starting so many matches but his performances hav bin beta than all of chelsea's strikers,most of arsenal's n most of d rest of d leagues(bar mayb mancity n tott forwards).
i just feel we should get behind our strikers, they arent doin too badly d problem is in midfield and wit evra's recurrent lapses n of course at d goal keeper position

afrodoc:

u INTENTIONALLY missed d point , d point was dt drogba improved all those areas of his game wit tym n bcame world class even wit his questionable technique
welbeck should b given tym to improve he will get bigger,stronger n mayb even faster nd his finishing will improve.he just doesnt hav to start so often at dis stage in his career.pls na dont obscure d truth when makin points, chicharito has a gud 1st touch? haba mallam!
concerning valencia he is d result of street football upbringing n defective education, remember he came to united at d ripe old age of 24, far too late at dt point.
its like a tennis talent who learnt by wackin oranges by d banks of d irrawady river n never learned backhand coming to nick bolleteri's school at age 20, even bolleteri would not b able to help his backhand

afrodoc:

meanwhile dis oxlade guy is makin weaving runs dt walcott will never make in his life! he can actually weave n dribble in tight spaces