BlueRayDick:


So I had to go back to the chelsea thread again where the Deborah killing was discussed and here is what I found :

Amoto says he does not support the way Deborah was killed by an irate mob, but he believes in punishment of blasphemy (which is DEATH anyways )

However, some Muslims called him out that the Quran does not ask anybody to be killed for blasphemy . Popizaino even mentioned how the holy prophet’s uncle didn’t accept him as a prophet of Allah ( Which in itself amounts to blasphemy) , yet there was no record of him being killed for that .

I thought Amoto was going to do an expose on how Blasphemy became a capital offence that attracts capital punishment after the Prophet’s demise but he didn’t engage Popizaino and iamoyindamola further on the topic. I mean some of us want to learn how some of these things came to be incorporated into the law.

raumdeuter:


I have not read the Koran. But I have heard from many people who are that the punishment for Blasphemy in Islamic societies is death. That is why in majorly Islamic countries you will find the same punishment for Blasphemy is death

Whether you personally believe it or not is a different matter

OasisX:




.... how? LOL! Wishing death on Someone shouldn't be considered a crime right? Someone that wants you dead, if he/she has opportunity to do it, won't he/she goes ahead?

OasisX:




.... they wanna choke him off this space. Dude has apologised for his past ugly posts, yet they wanna choke him till he deactivates his account.

raumdeuter:


I have not read the Koran. But I have heard from many people who are that the punishment for Blasphemy in Islamic societies is death. That is why in majorly Islamic countries you will find the same punishment for Blasphemy is death

Whether you personally believe it or not is a different matter

Emaprince:
So even as he is clearly trying to instigate a reprisal attack...they wanna choke him to death for calling out his evil intentions.

BlueRayDick:


I also have not read the Quran , In fact growing up I also thought it was cast in stone that the punishment for blasphemy is death in Islam.

But what do we make of his fellow Muslims who challenged him to come up with a verse in the Quaran that states expressedly that a blasphemous person should be killed ?

OasisX:


....... whoever never fùcks up on this forum, hands in the air?!

OasisX:


....... whoever never fùcks up on this forum, hands in the air?!

OasisX:


.... instigate reprisal attack? How?

OasisX:




Ọmọ...... you dey groove o.

Emaprince:
No need.

raumdeuter:


In every religion there are people who are conservative about the teachings of the religion and some who are liberal about it

E.g in Christianity, Some people believe women should never open their hair, never wear trousers and never hold leadership position, never use contraceptives, never abort with justification from the bible and within the same Christianity there are some who call it Bullsheet

Same with drinking alcohol, even how you treat people who leave the religion

Maybe some of those Moslems who challenged him and do not believe it are the modernized version of the religion like how Pastor Coza, Christ embassy will look to Deeper life and MFM members

Open a topic on some of the issues I raised above and you will get different opinion depending on the Church congregation. Which of them is wrong

raumdeuter:


In every religion there are people who are conservative about the teachings of the religion and some who are liberal about it

E.g in Christianity, Some people believe women should never open their hair, never wear trousers and never hold leadership position, never use contraceptives, never abort with justification from the bible and within the same Christianity there are some who call it Bullsheet

Same with drinking alcohol, even how you treat people who leave the religion

Maybe some of those Moslems who challenged him and do not believe it are the modernized version of the religion like how Pastor Coza, Christ embassy will look to Deeper life and MFM members

Open a topic on some of the issues I raised above and you will get different opinion depending on the Church congregation. Which of them is wrong

Ebukacute:

Man of otem...I hail thee

Segedinho:

My hands up

OasisX:




..... 001 would come for your head soon.

OasisX:




..... 001 would come for your head soon.

BlueRayDick:


I don’t think we are talking about the same thing here at all.

A muslim says he believes in death being the punishment for blasphemy ; his fellow Muslims ask him to provide the authority which he based his belief on. That’s what I’m talking about .

I mean if for example a Christian says his denomination forbids alcohol ; some denomination like Catholic can ask him to provide a bible verse that forbids alcohol . You and I know that both parties can come up with verses to back their stand inside the same bible .

What I’m asking is this ; is there any Quaran verse that specifies the punishment of blasphemy as death while another says something different about the same subject matter (like in the Bible on some issues ) ?

Let’s try and stay on the topic

raumdeuter:


In every religion there are people who are conservative about the teachings of the religion and some who are liberal about it

E.g in Christianity, Some people believe women should never open their hair, never wear trousers and never hold leadership position, never use contraceptives, never abort with justification from the bible and within the same Christianity there are some who call it Bullsheet

Same with drinking alcohol, even how you treat people who leave the religion

Maybe some of those Moslems who challenged him and do not believe it are the modernized version of the religion like how Pastor Coza, Christ embassy will look to Deeper life and MFM members

Open a topic on some of the issues I raised above and you will get different opinion depending on the Church congregation. Which of them is wrong

BlueRayDick:


I don’t think we are talking about the same thing here at all.

A muslim says he believes in death being the punishment for blasphemy ; his fellow Muslims ask him to provide the authority which he based his belief on. That’s what I’m talking about .

I mean if for example a Christian says his denomination forbids alcohol ; some denomination like Catholic can ask him to provide a bible verse that forbids alcohol . You and I know that both parties can come up with verses to back their stand inside the same bible .

What I’m asking is this ; is there any Quaran verse that specifies the punishment of blasphemy as death while another says something different about the same subject matter (like in the Bible on some issues ) ?

Let’s try and stay on the topic

raumdeuter:


Someone just said certain Hadiths support it. I don't know if it's stated in the Koran

But do you think an entire Middle East region will pass a fatwa and we have over 2bn people seeking to kill Salman Rushdie for Blasphemy without any part of the Koran or Hadith supporting it ?

A001:

You dey prolong a simple matter. The authority that stipulates the punishment for blasphemy is haadith (recorded deeds of Muhammad), not Qur'an.

Sharia laws are drawn from both Qur'an and haadith (the two highest authorities in Islam), not only Qur'an.

Knowledgeable Muslims follow both Qur'an and haadith and mostly observe or support Sharia, while their less knowledgeable and liberal counterparts may follow only Qur'an.

Una just like to dey drag simple issues on this thread.

raumdeuter:


Someone just said certain Hadiths support it. I don't know if it's stated in the Koran

But do you think an entire Middle East region will pass a fatwa and we have over 2bn people seeking to kill Salman Rushdie for Blasphemy without any part of the Koran or Hadith supporting it ?

OasisX:




.... you're an Otemist, yet you know about types of Muslim we get. Laffin otemically.