MindHacker9009:
What's important here is that Jesus Christ is a creation of the Roman empire. The book of Josephus Flavius was written under the control of the Roman empire so their emperors over the years were able to add anything they like to it. As an example, more recently King James did not agree with the Catholic church on an action he wanted to take, so what did he do? He wrote his own the King James Bible.

What is important here is you bringing evidence of every other Jewish historians unanimously disputing the authenticity of the existence of Jesus Christ in Chapter 9, Book 20 - Antiquity of the Jews written by Josephus Flavius. I need sufficient and persuasive facts, not sentiments.


We would also appreciate you explaining why Nero blamed Christians for the great fire of Rome and executed Apostle Peter and Paul… if Jesus Christ was an invention of the Roman Empire

Josephus Flavius' writing on Jesus Christ is fake and was influenced by the Roman empire who captured and asked him to write a history on the Jews.

Nero blamed the christians then as a way to build a new palace for himself and he carried out other atrocities as well.
We are not sure of what the early christian believed in as they had no say in which gospels were included in the Bible as this decision was taken by the Roman emperor Constantine with the priests and bishops during the council of Nicea.

The account of what happened to Apostle Peter and Paul are stories told by legends so they are not authentic.

The Roman Catholic church was the ones that brought the Bible to the rest of the world and the King James version by King James and the others followed.

OkCornel:


What is important here is you bringing evidence of every other Jewish historians unanimously disputing the authenticity of the existence of Jesus Christ in Chapter 9, Book 20 - Antiquity of the Jews written by Josephus Flavius. I need sufficient and persuasive facts, not sentiments.


We would also appreciate you explaining why Nero blamed Christians for the great fire of Rome and executed Apostle Peter and Paul… if Jesus Christ was an invention of the Roman Empire

MindHacker9009:
Josephus Flavius' writing on Jesus Christ is fake and was influenced by the Roman empire who captured and asked him to write a history on the Jews.

Nero blamed the christians then as a way to build a new palace for himself and he carried out other atrocities as well.
We are not sure of what the early christian believed in as they had no say in which gospels were included in the Bible as this decision was taken by the Roman emperor Constantine with the priests and bishops during the council of Nicea.

The account of what happened to Apostle Peter and Paul are stories told by legends so they are not authentic.

The Roman Catholic church was the ones that brought the Bible to the rest of the world and the King James version by King James and the others followed.

Wake up and smell the coffee...

Josephus Flavius historic account of the Jews is fake by whose judgment? I thought you would have provided evidence of unanimous disapproval of Josephus' work by all Jewish historians and scholars by now

Oh...so the persecution of Christians by Emperor Nero for the great fire at Rome and the execution of Peter and Paul are tales?

Is this a joke, or is it cognitive dissonance kicking in

Reply when you have evidence of every Jewish historian and scholar unanimously disputing the works of Josephus and the existence of Jesus Christ.

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/what-do-jews-believe-about-jesus/

You are being deceitful. I did not say everything Josephus Flavius wrote about the Jews are fake. I should be the one asking this: "Is this a joke, or is it cognitive dissonance kicking in" not you"

The link you posted is not not an authentic Jewish website, it is a pro-chritian website. This is what is said on a Jewish authentic website: https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/160992/jewish/Can-a-Jew-believe-in-Jesus.htm"Missionising is not a new phenomenon. Certain Christian sects believe that their messiah will only return when the Jews accept him. Throughout history Jews have been threatened with death, torture and expulsion if they don't convert. More recently, missionaries targeted the weak of our community - the elderly, new immigrants, and the underprivileged - in an attempt to exploit their vulnerability. All these attempts have had little or no success. Whether religious or not, Jews are reluctant to give up their Jewishness.So they came up with a new ploy. Rather than demand conversion, they offered Jews to remain Jewish, and even "complete" their Jewishness by accepting Jesus. Thus Jews for Jesus was born.This is a movement of non-Jews who pose as Jews by taking on Jewish names. They do usually have a token Jewish member, who is invariably either ignorant of Judaism at best or psychologically imbalanced at worst. They are a sham."

Josephus Flavius was a traitor to the Jews as he was more concerned about saving his own life so he was an easy tool to be used by the Roman Empire to write about Jesus Christ. 
Christ is not a Jewish word and historians have agreed that Josephus Flavius being a Jew from a priestly family would have explained what
Christ is as Christ is not a Jewish word. So the truth is that you are the one who is not intelligent.

Josephus Flavius' writing on Jesus Christ is fake and was influenced by the Roman empire who captured and asked him to write a history on the Jews.  

 Josephus Flavius was not born during the supposed time of Jesus Christ so his account is 100% not authentic.  


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QqGRjpGbuA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQzZPGBMmVc

OkCornel:


Wake up and smell the coffee...

Josephus Flavius historic account of the Jews is fake by whose judgment? I thought you would have provided evidence of unanimous disapproval of Josephus' work by all Jewish historians and scholars by now

Oh...so the persecution of Christians by Emperor Nero for the great fire at Rome and the execution of Peter and Paul are tales?

Is this a joke, or is it cognitive dissonance kicking in

Reply when you have evidence of every Jewish historian and scholar unanimously disputing the works of Josephus and the existence of Jesus Christ.

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/what-do-jews-believe-about-jesus/

MindHacker9009:
You are being deceitful. I did not say everything Josephus Flavius wrote about the Jews is fake. I should be the one asking this: "Is this a joke, or is it cognitive dissonance kicking in" not you"The link you posted is not not an authentic Jewish website, it is a pro-chritian website. This is what is said on a Jewish authentic website: https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/160992/jewish/Can-a-Jew-believe-in-Jesus.htm"Missionising is not a new phenomenon. Certain Christian sects believe that their messiah will only return when the Jews accept him. Throughout history Jews have been threatened with death, torture and expulsion if they don't convert. More recently, missionaries targeted the weak of our community - the elderly, new immigrants, and the underprivileged - in an attempt to exploit their vulnerability. All these attempts have had little or no success. Whether religious or not, Jews are reluctant to give up their Jewishness.So they came up with a new ploy. Rather than demand conversion, they offered Jews to remain Jewish, and even "complete" their Jewishness by accepting Jesus. Thus Jews for Jesus was born.This is a movement of non-Jews who pose as Jews by taking on Jewish names. They do usually have a token Jewish member, who is invariably either ignorant of Judaism at best or psychologically imbalanced at worst. They are a sham."Josephus Flavius was a traitor to the Jews as he was more concerned about saving his own life so he was an easy tool to be used by the Roman Empire to write about Jesus Christ. 
Christ is not a Jewish word and historians have agreed that Josephus Flavius being a Jew from a priestly family would have explained what Christ is as Christ is not a Jewish word. So the truth is that you are the one who is not intelligent.
Josephus Flavius' writing on Jesus Christ is fake and was influenced by the Roman empire who captured and asked him to write a history on the Jews.  

 Josephus Flavius was not born during the supposed time of Jesus Christ so his account is 100% not authentic.  


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QqGRjpGbuA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQzZPGBMmVc

You have just reinforced the bias I mentioned earlier on this thread. You don’t have issues with any other part of Josephus’ work except for what he wrote about Jesus.

What makes it even more hilarious is your thought process that he never met Jesus or had eye witness accounts therefore, what he wrote was wrong. Did Josephus Flavius have eye witness accounts on King David? Or Saul? Or the Maccabees? Did Josephus witness the events in those times? Yet you have no problem with these parts of his work. Thanks for confirming your bias once more.

The site you put up there never mentioned anything about disputing THE EXISTENCE of Jesus Christ. The issue raised in that site which by the way is only one person’s answer on a Q&A is on whether Jews can believe in Jesus… NOT WHETHER HE EXISTED OR NOT

Guy, don’t disappoint me. Show us evidence of all Jewish historians and scholars unanimously denying THE EXISTENCE of Jesus Christ.

And while at it, kindly tell us who Emperor Nero blamed for the great fire of Rome.

Cc NNTR, MaxinDHouse, Budaatum

You are very deceitful. This thread is about the creation of "Jesus Christ'' by the Roman empire. You like to pick just a few words and dwell on those without going by the full text and the information it provides.
To show your deceit, how did you miss this from the authentic Jewish link I posted:
"This is a movement of non-Jews who pose as Jews by taking on Jewish names. They do usually have a token Jewish member, who is invariably either ignorant of Judaism at best or psychologically imbalanced at worst. They are a sham." https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/160992/jewish/Can-a-Jew-believe-in-Jesus.htm
The answers on the site are from renowned Jewish Rabis.

Josephus Flavius was a traitor to the Jews as he was more concerned about saving his own life so he was an easy tool to be used by the Roman Empire to write about Jesus Christ.
Christ is not a Jewish word and historians have agreed that Josephus Flavius being a Jew from a priestly family would have explained what
Christ is as Christ is not a Jewish word. So the truth is that you are the one who is not intelligent.

Josephus Flavius' writing on Jesus Christ is fake and was influenced by the Roman empire who captured and asked him to write a history on the Jews.

Josephus Flavius was not born during the supposed time of Jesus Christ so his account is 100% not authentic.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QqGRjpGbuA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQzZPGBMmVc

OkCornel:

You have just reinforced the bias I mentioned earlier on this thread. You don’t have issues with any other part of Josephus’ work except for what he wrote about Jesus.

What makes it even more hilarious is your thought process that he never met Jesus or had eye witness accounts therefore, what he wrote was wrong. Did Josephus Flavius have eye witness accounts on King David? Or Saul? Or the Maccabees? Yet you have no problem with these parts of his work. Thanks for confirming your bias once more.

The site you put up there never mentioned anything about disputing THE EXISTENCE of Jesus Christ. The issue raised in that site which by the way is only one person’s answer on a Q&A is on whether Jews can believe in Jesus… NOT WHETHER HE EXISTED OR NOT

Guy, don’t disappoint me. Show us evidence of all Jewish historians and scholars unanimously denying THE EXISTENCE of Jesus Christ.

Cc NNTR, MaxinDHouse, Budaatum

MindHacker9009:
You are very deceitful. This thread is about the creation of "Jesus Christ'' by the Roman empire. You like to pick just a few words and dwell on those without going by the full text and the information it provides.
To show your deceit, how did you miss this from the authentic Jewish link I posted:
"[hightlight]This is a movement of non-Jews who pose as Jews by taking on Jewish names. They do usually have a token Jewish member, who is invariably either ignorant of Judaism at best or psychologically imbalanced at worst. They are a sham.[/hightlight]" https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/160992/jewish/Can-a-Jew-believe-in-Jesus.htm
The answers on the site are from renoened Jewish Rabis.

Josephus Flavius was a traitor to the Jews as he was more concerned about saving his own life so he was an easy tool to be used by the Roman Empire to write about Jesus Christ.
Christ is not a Jewish word and historians have agreed that Josephus Flavius being a Jew from a priestly family would have explained what
Christ is as Christ is not a Jewish word. So the truth is that you are the one who is not intelligent.

Josephus Flavius' writing on Jesus Christ is fake and was influenced by the Roman empire who captured and asked him to write a history on the Jews.

Josephus Flavius was not born during the supposed time of Jesus Christ so his account is 100% not authentic.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QqGRjpGbuA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQzZPGBMmVc

Thanks for confirming you have no answer to these posers:

1. Jewish historians and scholars unanimously denying THE EXISTENCE of Jesus Christ.

2. Who Emperor Nero blamed for the great fire of Rome.

Oya copy and paste your previous answer.

What a disappointment.

Cc: NNTR, MaxinDHouse, Budaatum

There are Jews who are adamant in proclaiming Josephus Flavius "to be an opportunistic traitor who fawned on the Romans for self-preservation, and whose history is full of distortions." https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2808840/jewish/On-History.htm

Christ is not a Jewish word and historians have agreed that Josephus Flavius being a Jew from a priestly family would have explained what
Christ is as Christ is not a Jewish word.

Josephus Flavius' writing on Jesus Christ is fake and was influenced by the Roman empire who captured and asked him to write a history on the Jews.

Josephus Flavius was not born during the supposed time of Jesus Christ so his account is 100% not authentic.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QqGRjpGbuA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQzZPGBMmVc

OkCornel:

Thanks for confirming you have no answer to these posers:

1. Jewish historians and scholars unanimously denying THE EXISTENCE of Jesus Christ.

2. Who Emperor Nero blamed for the great fire of Rome.

Oya copy and paste your previous answer.

What a disappointment.

Cc: NNTR, MaxinDHouse, Budaatum

OkCornel:


All I see here are emotional sentiments.

You do not need to mention me since I am subscribed to the thread though I'm not exactly interested in the pointless to and fro.

MindHacker9009:
There are Jews who are adamant in proclaiming Josephus Flavius "to be an opportunistic traitor who fawned on the Romans for self-preservation, and whose history is full of distortions." https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2808840/jewish/On-History.htm

Christ is not a Jewish word and historians have agreed that Josephus Flavius being a Jew from a priestly family would have explained what
Christ is as Christ is not a Jewish word.

Josephus Flavius' writing on Jesus Christ is fake and was influenced by the Roman empire who captured and asked him to write a history on the Jews.

Josephus Flavius was not born during the supposed time of Jesus Christ so his account is 100% not authentic.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QqGRjpGbuA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQzZPGBMmVc

Another lame excuse. Antiquity of the Jews was written in Greek for the benefit of the wider audience as this was the language most people (including Jews) communicated with in the Roman Empire. Even the New Testament was written in Koine Greek for that purpose.

Please provide evidence of all Jewish historians and scholars unanimously denying the existence of Jesus Christ and;

Who Emperor Nero blamed for the great fire of Rome.

budaatum:


You do not need to mention me since I am subscribed to the thread though I'm not exactly interested in the pointless to and fro.

Noted

OkCornel:

What makes it even more hilarious is your thought process that he never met Jesus or had eye witness accounts therefore, what he wrote was wrong. Did Josephus Flavius have eye witness accounts on King David? Or Saul? Or the Maccabees? Did Josephus witness the events in those times? Yet you have no problem with these parts of his work. Thanks for confirming your bias once more.

The Old Testament was written hundreds of years before Josephus Flavius was born so they are not his own account as he was just writing about what he has read in the Jewish scrolls being a Jew from a priestly family.

Josephus Flavius writes: "now it
came to pass while Padus was procurator
of Judea that a certain magician whose
name was Judas persuaded a great part of
the people to take their effects with
them and follow him to the River Jordan
for he told them that he was a prophet
and that he would by his own command
divide the river and afford them an easy
passage over it and many were deluded by
his words
however Padus did not permit them to
make any advantage of his wild attempt
but sent a troop of horsemen out against
them who falling upon them unexpectedly
slew many of them and took many of them
alive they also took Theudas alive
and cut off his head and carried it to
Jerusalem this is what we befell the
Jews in the time of Cuspius Padus's
government. Judas said
he would part the Jordan river this is
obviously another allusion to Joshua the
prophet who had parted the Jordan
himself in Joshua chapter three"
This is why real Jews see Josephus Flavius' history as full of distortions.

You are trying to derail the thread on Jesus Christ as you are trying to use any information from the unauthentic writings of Josephus Flavius to back up your deceit.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQzZPGBMmVc

MindHacker9009:


The Old Testament was written hundreds of years before Josephus Flavius was born so they are not his own account as he was just writing about what he has read in the Jewish scrolls being a Jew from a priestly family.

Josephus Flavius writes: "now it
came to pass while Padus was procurator
of Judea that a certain magician whose
name was Judas persuaded a great part of
the people to take their effects with
them and follow him to the River Jordan
for he told them that he was a prophet
and that he would by his own command
divide the river and afford them an easy
passage over it and many were deluded by
his words
however Padus did not permit them to
make any advantage of his wild attempt
but sent a troop of horsemen out against
them who falling upon them unexpectedly
slew many of them and took many of them
alive they also took Theudas alive
and cut off his head and carried it to
Jerusalem this is what we befell the
Jews in the time of Cuspius Padus's
government. Judas said
he would part the Jordan river this is
obviously another allusion to Joshua the
prophet who had parted the Jordan
himself in Joshua chapter three"
This is why real Jews see Josephus Flavius' history as full of distortions.

You are trying to derail the thread on Jesus Christ as you are trying to use any information from the unauthentic writings of Josephus Flavius to back up your deceit.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQzZPGBMmVc

For the umpteenth time kindly provide us with;
1. Evidence of all Jewish historians and scholars UNANIMOUSLY DENYING the existence of Jesus Christ and Josephus' Flavius work - The Antiquity of the Jews.
Isn't it amazing you have no issues with Josephus' work except for the part he validates the existence of Jesus Christ? BIAS BIAS BIAS

2. Who Emperor Nero blamed for the great fire of Rome. Does it make any iota of sense for the Roman Empire to persecute Christians if indeed they "invented Jesus Christ"?

Think! Think!! Think!!!

Nairalanders, isn't it amusing a Nigerian like Mindhacker9009 suddenly knows the history of the Jews better than the Jews themselves?

MindHacker9009:



You are trying to derail the thread on Jesus Christ as you are trying to use any information from the unauthentic writings of Josephus Flavius to back up your deceit.

Unauthentic by whose judgment? Yours?

It seems you know the history of the Jews better than the Jews themselves

OkCornel:

Unauthentic by whose judgment? Yours?

It seems you know the history of the Jews better than the Jews themselves

This is an authentic Jewish website see what they have to say about Josephus Flavius https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2808840/jewish/On-History.htm

MindHacker9009:


This is an authentic Jewish website see what they have to say about Josephus Flavius https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2808840/jewish/On-History.htm

If you are literate enough, you can see that is one person's opinion on accepting Jesus as the messiah or not. It has nothing to do with whether Jesus existed or not.

Are you fraudulently trying to pass off one person's opinion as that of every Jewish historian and scholars on the existence of Jesus? Like really?

Also, did that website invalidate Josephus' work? Does it deny the existence of Jesus Christ in Jewish history?

Did it explain who Nero blamed for the great fire of Rome?

Why are you doing this to yourself?

I wrote a reply before to your previous post but it was blocked, so I'm using the handle now.

You the one not literate enough to know that real Jews today know that Josephus Flavius writings are full of distortions. The website I posted before is just one example. I can not waste all day looking for websites to post for you when you are determined to hold on to your deceit.

You are full of deceit all you hold onto is the distorted writings of Josephus Flavius which were influenced by the Roman empire at the time

OkCornel:


If you are literate enough, you can see that is one person's opinion on accepting Jesus as the messiah or not. It has nothing to do with whether Jesus existed or not.

Are you fraudulently trying to pass off one person's opinion as that of every Jewish historian and scholars on the existence of Jesus? Like really?

Also, did that website invalidate Josephus' work? Does it deny the existence of Jesus Christ in Jewish history?

Did it explain who Nero blamed for the great fire of Rome?

Why are you doing this to yourself?

This was my previous response in the image below, not sure why it got blocked.

You are the one that needs to Think! Think!! Think!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF5j0URuTMs

OkCornel:


For the umpteenth time kindly provide us with;
1. Evidence of all Jewish historians and scholars UNANIMOUSLY DENYING the existence of Jesus Christ and Josephus' Flavius work - The Antiquity of the Jews.
Isn't it amazing you have no issues with Josephus' work except for the part he validates the existence of Jesus Christ? BIAS BIAS BIAS

2. Who Emperor Nero blamed for the great fire of Rome. Does it make any iota of sense for the Roman Empire to persecute Christians if indeed they "invented Jesus Christ"?

Think! Think!! Think!!!

Nairalanders, isn't it amusing a Nigerian like Mindhacker9009 suddenly knows the history of the Jews better than the Jews themselves?

guysbewise:

I wrote a reply before to your previous post but it was blocked, so I'm using the handle now. You the one not literate enough to know that real Jews today know that Josephus Flavius writings are full of distortions. You are full of deceit all you hold onto is the distorted writings of Josephus Flavius which were influenced by the Roman empire at the time

No document on this planet has been well preserved like the Bible (God's word) so Josephus's Flavius writings came under attack because of just one thing: He confirmed that Jesus of Nazareth was a worker of good deeds and also mentioned John the baptist.
These two are what Jews want to bury because they're trying to force God to send another Messiah (Christ) saying Jesus is not the type they're expecting.
So if the Bible account is to be discarded and Josephus's account also please whose account in this world do you think is authentic?
Please forget it the Jews are evil people that's why God condemned the nation, the only privilege they're enjoying now is that God promised David (God's loyal servant) that by the time David will be resurrected on this planet he will see that the name JERUSALEM still exist as a city because David built that city to praise his God, if not so there's nothing stopping Jerusalem from being wiped out from the face of the earth just like Babylon!

guysbewise:
This was my previous response in the image below, not sure why it got blocked.

You are the one that needs to Think! Think!! Think!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF5j0URuTMs

MaxinDHouse, can you see how Mindhacker is dodging the real question here?

He should point us to where all Jewish historians and scholars unanimously deny the existence of Jesus Christ.
Nothing in that website posted DENIES THE EXISTENCE OF JESUS. The only remote thing mentioned about Jesus is whether he is the messiah or not. Never about whether he existed or not.

Also notice how mindhacker keeps dodging the Nero question. Please, who did Nero blame for the great fire of Rome...and why did he persecute Christians if Jesus was a "creation of the Roman Empire"?

Abeg, was the youtube video created by Jewish historians and scholars? Did they deny the existence of Jesus Christ in their history

Nairalanders, let's hail Mindhacker aka guybewise...he knows Jewish history better than the Jews themselves

OkCornel:


MaxinDHouse, can you see how Mindhacker is dodging the real question here?

He should point us to where all Jewish historians and scholars unanimously deny the existence of Jesus Christ.
Nothing in that website posted DENIES THE EXISTENCE OF JESUS. The only remote thing mentioned about Jesus is whether he is the messiah or not. Never about whether he existed or not.

Also notice how mindhacker keeps dodging the Nero question. Please, who did Nero blame for the great fire of Rome...and why did he persecute Christians if Jesus was a "creation of the Roman Empire"?

Abeg, was the youtube video created by Jewish historians and scholars? Did they deny the existence of Jesus Christ in their history

Well there's just one undeniable evidence that Jesus of Nazareth once walked this planet but it's a pity that many can't decipher!

God promised that He will use his Holy Spirit to bring all faithful people throughout the earth under one umbrella and make them one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3; Zephaniah 3:9

The angel that's coming to achieve this is called Michael {Daniel 12:1-3} he will be born among the Jews like a human but when he grows up he will become a wonderful counselor, mighty God, everlasting father and Prince of Peace and by the time his reign begins it will have no end! Isaiah 9:6-7

Jesus has laid down the foundation of this promised government by choosing twelve apostles out which Satan fought hard and snatched one away but immediately God's Holy Spirit told the Apostles to replace the lost Apostle so their names has been written in the heavens! Revelations 21:14

Today the one and only evidence that Jesus once existed is not all those documents you're all arguing about, from time immemorial there has never been a time when people from all races throughout the world come together to agree on what a King taught without military effort intimidating them with weapons {Zechariah 4:6} YES throughout the world individuals came forth to present themselves as evidence that Jesus of Nazareth once lived on this planet and they willingly subjected themselves to his teachings.
So they're the one and only evidence Jesus promised not stories written on either stone tablets, scrolls, books or internet:

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Act 1:8

You are using one source as reference and it looks like Wikipedia. There are other authentic Jewish sources that will tell you the Jews don't know about Jesus Christ and they don't care as Jesus Christ has nothing to do with Judasaim.

I have responded to your question about Nero before for and here is it again:

Emperor Nero did not mention Jesus Christ he call them christains but nothing about what they believed in so we are not sure if they were practicing the same christianity we have today and definately they were not. The Romans destroy different Jewish religious groups that did not conform to their own type of christainity.

Only one Jewish historian in the first century and he was under the control of the Romans to write history of the Jews the Romans have defeated and you expect his writings to be authentic. You need to Think! Think!! Think!!!

OkCornel:


MaxinDHouse, can you see how Mindhacker is dodging the real question here?

He should point us to where all Jewish historians and scholars unanimously deny the existence of Jesus Christ.
Nothing in that website posted DENIES THE EXISTENCE OF JESUS. The only remote thing mentioned about Jesus is whether he is the messiah or not. Never about whether he existed or not.

Also notice how mindhacker keeps dodging the Nero question. Please, who did Nero blame for the great fire of Rome...and why did he persecute Christians if Jesus was a "creation of the Roman Empire"?

Abeg, was the youtube video created by Jewish historians and scholars? Did they deny the existence of Jesus Christ in their history

Nairalanders, let's hail Mindhacker aka guybewise...he knows Jewish history better than the Jews themselves

guysbewise:
You are using one source as reference and it looks like Wikipedia.

This your thought process is hilarious to be honest. You think Wikipedia does not draw content from various references? Alright, I'll post the references here, let's hear your next excuse.

Read the circled parts of the screenshot. Those are the references.

1. Stanton, Graham (2002). The Gospels and Jesus (Oxford Bible Series) (2nd ed.). Oxford University Press. p. 145. ISBN 978-0199246168.
2. Wells, George (2007). Flynn, Tom (ed.). The New Encyclopedia of Unbelief. Amherst, N.Y.: Prometheus Books. ISBN 9781591023913.

guysbewise:

There are other authentic Jewish sources that will tell you the Jews don't know about Jesus Christ and they don't care as Jesus Christ has nothing to do with Judasaim.

Ogbeni, post the other "authentic Jewish sources" that clearly states JESUS CHRIST NEVER EXISTED. Basic intelligence, "I don't know Lord Lugard" is totally different from "Lord Lugard never existed"

guysbewise:

I have responded to your question about Nero before for and here is it again:

Emperor Nero did not mention Jesus Christ he call them christains but nothing about what they believed in so we are not sure if they were practicing the same christianity we have today and definately they were not. The Romans destroy different Jewish religious groups that did not conform to their own type of christainity.

Oh...now we are getting somewhere. Someone finally admits Nero blamed the Christians. Apostle Paul and Peter who were executed by Nero were Christians...and authors of various books in the New Testament. Bring your evidence to deny Paul & Peter were executed by Nero. Patiently waiting

guysbewise:

Only one Jewish historian in the first century and he was under the control of the Romans to write history of the Jews the Romans have defeated and you expect his writings to be authentic. You need to Think! Think!! Think!!!

And I am still yet to see other Jewish historians and scholars OUTRIGHTLY DENYING THE EXISTENCE OF JESUS CHRIST IN JEWISH HISTORY...so cry me a river

Well, unless a Nigerian like you suddenly knows the history of the Jews better than the Jews themselves

Just examine the thought process of all the scholars who unanimously concluded that Jesus Christ existed;

"Serious historians of the early Christian movement—all of them—have spent many years preparing to be experts in their field.
Just to read the ancient sources requires expertise in a range of ancient languages: Greek, Hebrew, Latin, and often Aramaic, Syriac, and Coptic, not to mention the modern languages of scholarship (for example, German and French).

And that is just for starters. Expertise requires years of patiently examining ancient texts and a thorough grounding in the history and culture of Greek and Roman antiquity, the religions of the ancient Mediterranean world, both pagan and Jewish, knowledge of the history of the Christian church and the development of its social life and theology, and, well, lots of other things.

It is striking that virtually everyone who has spent all the years needed to attain these qualifications is convinced that Jesus of Nazareth was a real historical figure."


This sounds like a well thought out process before arriving at the conclusion Jesus Christ existed. Unlike conspiracy theories and pseudohistory peddled around by clowns and unlettered folks on this forum

I will give you facts from history to show that Jesus Christ was a creation of the Roman empire.
The first christian writings were found in the letters of Paul, which were written beginning in 50 CE and are the earliest surviving Christian texts. https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jesus/The-Jewish-religion-in-the-1st-century

Jews today agreed that Paul was not a Jew as his writings are against Judaism. Paul never meet Jesus Christ and all that is known today about Jesus Christ are from Paul written beginning in 50 ce and the Gospels of the New Testament, the earliest of which was Mark (written 60–80 ce), followed by Matthew, Luke, and John (75–90 ce) https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jesus/The-Jewish-religion-in-the-1st-century

No writings were found during the time of Jesus Christ. There were Jewish writers during the supposed time of Jesus Christ. This should tell you that there is something fishy about Jesus Christ that no Jewish writers wrote anything about Him throughout the time of His ministry with all the miracles He was said to have performed.

None of the four Gospels and the New Testament were written by the disciples of Jesus Christ and they were written at least 10 years later after the earliest letters of Paul in 50 ce and Paul's first letters were about 20 years after the ministry of Jesus Christ and the New Testament talked about all the thousands of converts to christainity on the day of pentecost.

Christ is not a Jewish word and historians have agreed that Josephus Flavius being a Jew from a priestly family would have explained what Christ is as Christ is not a Jewish word.

Josephus Flavius was a traitor to the Jews as he was more concerned about saving his own life so he was an easy tool to be used by the Roman Empire to write about Jesus Christ.

Josephus Flavius' writing on Jesus Christ is fake and was influenced by the Roman empire who captured and asked him to write a history on the Jews.

Josephus Flavius was not born during the supposed time of Jesus Christ so his account is not authentic.

OkCornel:

This your thought process is hilarious to be honest. You think Wikipedia does not draw content from various references? Alright, I'll post the references here, let's hear your next excuse.

Read the circled parts of the screenshot. Those are the references.

1. Stanton, Graham (2002). The Gospels and Jesus (Oxford Bible Series) (2nd ed.). Oxford University Press. p. 145. ISBN 978-0199246168.
2. Wells, George (2007). Flynn, Tom (ed.). The New Encyclopedia of Unbelief. Amherst, N.Y.: Prometheus Books. ISBN 9781591023913.




Ogbeni, post the other "authentic Jewish sources" that clearly states JESUS CHRIST NEVER EXISTED. Basic intelligence, "I don't know Lord Lugard" is totally different from "Lord Lugard never existed"



Oh...now we are getting somewhere. Someone finally admits Nero blamed the Christians. Apostle Paul and Peter who were executed by Nero were Christians...and authors of various books in the New Testament. Bring your evidence to deny Paul & Peter were executed by Nero. Patiently waiting


And I am still yet to see other Jewish historians and scholars OUTRIGHTLY DENYING THE EXISTENCE OF JESUS CHRIST IN JEWISH HISTORY...so cry me a river

Well, unless a Nigerian like you suddenly knows the history of the Jews better than the Jews themselves

I will give you facts from history to show that Jesus Christ was a creation of the Roman empire.
The first christian writings were found in the letters of Paul, which were written beginning in 50 CE and are the earliest surviving Christian texts. https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jesus/The-Jewish-religion-in-the-1st-century

Jews today agreed that Paul was not a Jew as his writings are against Judaism. Paul never meet Jesus Christ and all that is known today about Jesus Christ are from Paul written beginning in 50 ce and the Gospels of the New Testament, the earliest of which was Mark (written 60–80 ce), followed by Matthew, Luke, and John (75–90 ce) https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jesus/The-Jewish-religion-in-the-1st-century

No writings were found during the time of Jesus Christ. There were Jewish writers during the supposed time of Jesus Christ. This should tell you that there is something fishy about Jesus Christ that no Jewish writers wrote anything about Him throughout the time of His ministry with all the miracles He was said to have performed.

None of the four Gospels and the New Testament were written by the disciples of Jesus Christ and they were written at least 10 years later after the earliest letters of Paul in 50 ce and Paul's first letters were about 20 years after the ministry of Jesus Christ and the New Testament talked about all the thousands of converts to christainity on the day of pentecost.

Christ is not a Jewish word and historians have agreed that Josephus Flavius being a Jew from a priestly family would have explained what Christ is as Christ is not a Jewish word.  

Josephus Flavius was a traitor to the Jews as he was more concerned about saving his own life so he was an easy tool to be used by the Roman Empire to write about Jesus Christ.

Josephus Flavius' writing on Jesus Christ is fake and was influenced by the Roman empire who captured and asked him to write a history on the Jews.

Josephus Flavius was not born during the supposed time of Jesus Christ so his account is not authentic. 

OkCornel:
Just examine the thought process of all the scholars who unanimously concluded that Jesus Christ existed;

"Serious historians of the early Christian movement—all of them—have spent many years preparing to be experts in their field.
Just to read the ancient sources requires expertise in a range of ancient languages: Greek, Hebrew, Latin, and often Aramaic, Syriac, and Coptic, not to mention the modern languages of scholarship (for example, German and French).

And that is just for starters. Expertise requires years of patiently examining ancient texts and a thorough grounding in the history and culture of Greek and Roman antiquity, the religions of the ancient Mediterranean world, both pagan and Jewish, knowledge of the history of the Christian church and the development of its social life and theology, and, well, lots of other things.

It is striking that virtually everyone who has spent all the years needed to attain these qualifications is convinced that Jesus of Nazareth was a real historical figure."


This sounds like a well thought out process before arriving at the conclusion Jesus Christ existed. Unlike conspiracy theories and pseudohistory peddled around by clowns and unlettered folks on this forum

guysbewise:
I will give you facts from history to show that Jesus Christ was a creation of the Roman empire.
The first christian writings were found in the letters of Paul, which were written beginning in 50 CE and are the earliest surviving Christian texts. https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jesus/The-Jewish-religion-in-the-1st-century

Jews today agreed that Paul was not a Jew as his writings are against Judaism. Paul never meet Jesus Christ and all that is known today about Jesus Christ are from Paul written beginning in 50 ce and the Gospels of the New Testament, the earliest of which was Mark (written 60–80 ce), followed by Matthew, Luke, and John (75–90 ce) https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jesus/The-Jewish-religion-in-the-1st-century

No writings were found during the time of Jesus Christ. There were Jewish writers during the supposed time of Jesus Christ. This should tell you that there is something fishy about Jesus Christ that no Jewish writers wrote anything about Him throughout the time of His ministry with all the miracles He was said to have performed.

None of the four Gospels and the New Testament were written by the disciples of Jesus Christ and they were written at least 10 years later after the earliest letters of Paul in 50 ce and Paul's first letters were about 20 years after the ministry of Jesus Christ and the New Testament talked about all the thousands of converts to christainity on the day of pentecost.

Christ is not a Jewish word and historians have agreed that Josephus Flavius being a Jew from a priestly family would have explained what Christ is as Christ is not a Jewish word.  

Josephus Flavius was a traitor to the Jews as he was more concerned about saving his own life so he was an easy tool to be used by the Roman Empire to write about Jesus Christ.

Josephus Flavius ' writing on Jesus Christ is fake and was influenced by the Roman empire who captured and asked him to write a history on the Jews.

Josephus Flavius was not born during the supposed time of Jesus Christ so his account is not authentic. 

This is so pathetic. Even your own source does not deny the existence of Jesus Christ! You have conveniently glossed over this detail (circled part of the screenshot)

Please what did the Jewish historians say about the existence of Jesus Christ and Apostle Peter

Can you kindly consult this source (Encyclopaedia Britannica) as to whether Jesus existed or was fabricated. I can’t wait to see your response

I know you trying to deceive gullible people here that Jesus Christ is real is your full time job but for me this forum is not my full time job so I will give you facts from history to show that Jesus Christ was a creation of the Roman empire to help you to start THINKING. 

Even now if a person born after Nigerian independence is to write about the events before Nigerian independence the person's account cannot be authentic unless the person makes authentic references to documents and adult writers who wrote about events before the independence of Nigeria. Same thing with the New Testament and Josephus Flavius writings. Clearly these writings are not authentic as there is not a reference to any written document during the time of the Ministry of Jesus Christ when there were already Jewish writers before Jesus Christ was born. 
This thread is about "Jesus Christ" there been other Jesuses in history but the one this thread is about is the Jesus Christ created by the Roman empire as the the Romans were amazed when they entered the Holies of Holies inside the temple in Jerusalem and found that there were not statue of a Jewish God in the the Temple but were told the Jewish God lives in their hearts, this was what made the Romans to decide they too will create Jesus Christ as the Messiah the Jews a waiting for.
The first christian writings were found in the letters of Paul, which were written beginning in 50 CE and are the earliest surviving Christian texts. https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jesus/The-Jewish-religion-in-the-1st-century

Jews today agreed that Paul was not a Jew as his writings are against Judaism. Paul never met Jesus Christ and all that is known today about Jesus Christ are from Paul written beginning in 50 ce and the Gospels of the New Testament, the earliest of which was Mark (written 60–80 ce), followed by Matthew, Luke, and John (75–90 ce) https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jesus/The-Jewish-religion-in-the-1st-century

No writings were found during the time of Jesus Christ. There were Jewish writers during the supposed time of Jesus Christ. This should tell you that there is something fishy about Jesus Christ that no Jewish writers wrote anything about Him throughout the time of His ministry with all the miracles He was said to have performed.

None of the four Gospels and the New Testament were written by the disciples of Jesus Christ and they were written at least 10 years later after the earliest letters of Paul in 50 ce and Paul's first letters were about 20 years after the ministry of Jesus Christ and the New Testament talked about all the thousands of converts to christainity on the day of pentecost.

Christ is not a Jewish word and historians have agreed that Josephus Flavius being a Jew from a priestly family would have explained what Christ is as Christ is not a Jewish word.  

Josephus Flavius was a traitor to the Jews as he was more concerned about saving his own life so he was an easy tool to be used by the Roman Empire to write about Jesus Christ.

Josephus Flavius' writing on Jesus Christ is fake and was influenced by the Roman empire who captured and asked him to write a history on the Jews.

Josephus Flavius was not born during the supposed time of Jesus Christ so his account is not authentic.   

OkCornel:


This is so pathetic. Even your own source does not deny the existence of Jesus Christ! You have conveniently glossed over this detail (circled part of the screenshot)

Please what did the Jewish historians say about the existence of Jesus Christ and Apostle Peter

Can you kindly consult this source (Encyclopaedia Britannica) as to whether Jesus existed or was fabricated. I can’t wait to see your response

Aha, I’ll be back shortly to reply this comedian.

Isn’t it amazing how one chooses to be illogical in their thought process to accept a lie?

MindHacker9009:


The account of what happened to Apostle Peter and Paul are stories told by legends so they are not authentic.

The Roman Catholic church was the ones that brought the Bible to the rest of the world and the King James version by King James and the others followed.

For starters, the bolded part of your quote reeks of ignorance. The Ethiopian Bible which is the oldest and most complete in the world is free from Roman Catholic influence.

This further destroys your claims that the Roman Catholic "invented" Jesus Christ

Research history thoroughly before making ludicrous claims mehn

guysbewise:
I will give you facts from history to show that Jesus Christ was a creation of the Roman empire.
The first christian writings were found in the letters of Paul, which were written beginning in 50 CE and are the earliest surviving Christian texts. https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jesus/The-Jewish-religion-in-the-1st-century

And Paul was killed in 67AD. He also interacted with the Apostles who were eye witnesses to the ministry of Jesus Christ. I guess that escaped your thought process hmmm?

guysbewise:

Jews today agreed that Paul was not a Jew as his writings are against Judaism. Paul never meet Jesus Christ and all that is known today about Jesus Christ are from Paul written beginning in 50 ce and the Gospels of the New Testament, the earliest of which was Mark (written 60–80 ce), followed by Matthew, Luke, and John (75–90 ce) https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jesus/The-Jewish-religion-in-the-1st-century

Can you provide the screenshot from the link you posted where Jews today agreed Paul was not a Jew? Hmmm?

guysbewise:

No writings were found during the time of Jesus Christ. There were Jewish writers during the supposed time of Jesus Christ. This should tell you that there is something fishy about Jesus Christ that no Jewish writers wrote anything about Him throughout the time of His ministry with all the miracles He was said to have performed.

I'm still waiting for your evidence of Jewish historians UNANIMOUSLY DENYING THE EXISTENCE OF JESUS CHRIST in Jewish history

guysbewise:

None of the four Gospels and the New Testament were written by the disciples of Jesus Christ and they were written at least 10 years later after the earliest letters of Paul in 50 ce and Paul's first letters were about 20 years after the ministry of Jesus Christ and the New Testament talked about all the thousands of converts to christainity on the day of pentecost.

This point is already busted. Almost all historians and researchers be they Christians or not have examined all the evidences available and concluded Jesus Christ existed. Read again if you somehow skipped this.

"Serious historians of the early Christian movement—all of them—have spent many years preparing to be experts in their field.
Just to read the ancient sources requires expertise in a range of ancient languages: Greek, Hebrew, Latin, and often Aramaic, Syriac, and Coptic, not to mention the modern languages of scholarship (for example, German and French).

And that is just for starters. Expertise requires years of patiently examining ancient texts and a thorough grounding in the history and culture of Greek and Roman antiquity, the religions of the ancient Mediterranean world, both pagan and Jewish, knowledge of the history of the Christian church and the development of its social life and theology, and, well, lots of other things.

It is striking that virtually everyone who has spent all the years needed to attain these qualifications is convinced that Jesus of Nazareth was a real historical figure."

guysbewise:

Christ is not a Jewish word and historians have agreed that Josephus Flavius being a Jew from a priestly family would have explained what Christ is as Christ is not a Jewish word.  

For the umpteenth time, The Antiquity of the Jews was written in Greek by Josephus Flavius for the benefit of the wider audience, as Greek was a more popular language in the Roman Empire.

guysbewise:

Josephus Flavius was a traitor to the Jews as he was more concerned about saving his own life so he was an easy tool to be used by the Roman Empire to write about Jesus Christ.

Stories that touch. Only if you take time to listen to yourself Please explain to everyone then why the Roman Empire persecuted Christians even long after Josephus' lifetime. Why would the Roman Empire persecute worshippers of the "Jesus Christ" you claimed they (the Roman Empire) invented? Does this sound like reasonable logic to you?

guysbewise:

Josephus Flavius' writing on Jesus Christ is fake and was influenced by the Roman empire who captured and asked him to write a history on the Jews.

Oh please spare us the tears. You don't have issues on any other part of Josephus' work, but where he validates the existence of Jesus Christ So thanks once more for confirming your bias. By the way, all scholars accept Chapter 9, Book 20 - Antiquity of the Jews as authentic material. So feel free to argue with the scholars

guysbewise:

Josephus Flavius was not born during the supposed time of Jesus Christ so his account is not authentic. 

DID JESUS CHRIST EXIST? That's the question. Bring evidences from Jewish scholars and historians denying the existence of Jesus Christ in their history.

It seems you (a Nigerian) know the history of Jews better than the Jews themselves