guysbewise:
I know you trying to deceive gullible people here that Jesus Christ is real is your full time job but for me this forum is not my full time job so I will give you facts from history to show that Jesus Christ was a creation of the Roman empire to help you to start THINKING. 

Even now if a person born after Nigerian independence is to write about the events before Nigerian independence the person's account cannot be authentic unless the person makes authentic references to documents and adult writers who wrote about events before the independence of Nigeria. Same thing with the New Testament and Josephus Flavius writings.

guysbewise:
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Clearly these writings are not authentic as there is not a reference to any written document during the time of the Ministry of Jesus Christ when there were already Jewish writers before Jesus Christ was born. 
This thread is about "Jesus Christ" there been other Jesuses in history but the one this thread is about is the Jesus Christ created by the Roman empire as the the Romans were amazed when they entered the Holies of Holies inside the temple in Jerusalem and found that there were not statue of a Jewish God in the the Temple but were told the Jewish God lives in their hearts, this was what made the Romans to decide they too will create Jesus Christ as the Messiah the Jews a waiting for.
The first christian writings were found in the letters of Paul, which were written beginning in 50 CE and are the earliest surviving Christian texts. https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jesus/The-Jewish-religion-in-the-1st-century

Jews today agreed that Paul was not a Jew as his writings are against Judaism. Paul never met Jesus Christ and all that is known today about Jesus Christ are from Paul written beginning in 50 ce and the Gospels of the New Testament, the earliest of which was Mark (written 60–80 ce), followed by Matthew, Luke, and John (75–90 ce) https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jesus/The-Jewish-religion-in-the-1st-century

No writings were found during the time of Jesus Christ. There were Jewish writers during the supposed time of Jesus Christ. This should tell you that there is something fishy about Jesus Christ that no Jewish writers wrote anything about Him throughout the time of His ministry with all the miracles He was said to have performed.

None of the four Gospels and the New Testament were written by the disciples of Jesus Christ and they were written at least 10 years later after the earliest letters of Paul in 50 ce and Paul's first letters were about 20 years after the ministry of Jesus Christ and the New Testament talked about all the thousands of converts to christainity on the day of pentecost.

Christ is not a Jewish word and historians have agreed that Josephus Flavius being a Jew from a priestly family would have explained what Christ is as Christ is not a Jewish word.  

Josephus Flavius was a traitor to the Jews as he was more concerned about saving his own life so he was an easy tool to be used by the Roman Empire to write about Jesus Christ.

Josephus Flavius' writing on Jesus Christ is fake and was influenced by the Roman empire who captured and asked him to write a history on the Jews.

guysbewise:

Josephus Flavius was not born during the supposed time of Jesus Christ so his account is not authentic.   

OkCornel:

For starters, the bolded part of your quote reeks of ignorance. The Ethiopian Bible which is the oldest and most complete in the world is free from Roman Catholic influence.

This further destroys your claims that the Roman Catholic "invented" Jesus Christ

Research history thoroughly before making ludicrous claims mehn

MindHacker9009:


Then let me lecture you. See information below from: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Ethiopian-Orthodox-Tewahedo-Church
"Ethiopia was further Christianized in the 4th century ce by two men (likely brothers) from Tyre—St. Frumentius, later consecrated the first Ethiopian bishop, and Aedesius."
"Saint Frumentius, Amharic Abba Salama, (flourished 4th century; feast day October 27 in the Roman Catholic Church."

"Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church, autocephalous Oriental Orthodox church in Ethiopia. Headquarters are in Addis Ababa, the country’s capital.

Tradition holds that Ethiopia was first evangelized by St. Matthew and St. Bartholomew in the 1st century ce, and the first Ethiopian convert is thought to have been the eunuch in Jerusalem mentioned in The Acts of the Apostles (8:27–40). Ethiopia was further Christianized in the 4th century ce by two men (likely brothers) from Tyre—St. Frumentius, later consecrated the first Ethiopian bishop, and Aedesius. They won the confidence of the king at Aksum (a powerful kingdom in northern Ethiopia) and were allowed to evangelize. The succeeding king, Ezana, was baptized by Frumentius, and Christianity was made the state religion. Toward the end of the 5th century, nine monks from Syria are said to have brought monasticism to Ethiopia and encouraged the translation of the Scriptures into the Geʿez language."

OkCornel:

Why are you doing this to yourself?

Kindly provide proof this St. Frumentius authored the Ethiopian Bible.

I’m patiently waiting.

I repeat, the Ethiopian Bible which is the oldest and most complete in the world is free from Roman Catholic influence.

Prove to everyone here the Ethiopian Bible was tampered with by the Roman Catholic Church.

Patiently waiting.

MindHacker9009:


The read this again
Ethiopia was further Christianizedin the 4th century ce by two men (likely brothers) from Tyre—St. Frumentius, later consecrated the first Ethiopian bishop, and Aedesius.
"Saint Frumentius, Amharic Abba Salama, (flourished 4th century; feast day October 27 in the Roman Catholic Church."

OkCornel:
Mindhacker, we are still waiting patiently for your evidence that the Roman Catholic Church authored the scriptures which were in circulation in Egypt and Ethiopia within the first century AD (long before the Roman Catholic Church was formed)

MindHacker9009:


The New Testament of the Bible came from the Roman Catholic Church

OkCornel:

How did Christianity get to Ethiopia before the formation of the Roman Catholic Church?

And where was the scriptures used to propagate Christianity there generated from? Planet Mars?

MindHacker9009:


No documentary evidence to show that Christianity  was already in Ethiopia before Saint Frumentius a Catholic , went there in the 4th century to further Christianize them. If they were Christians already why do they need to be further Christianized by the Catholic Church?

Judaism was in Ethiopia since the time of King Solomon.

OkCornel:

Oh my goodness. What exactly is the problem here? Are you struggling to understand there’s a difference between Judaism and Christianity?

And if there’s no evidence of Christianity in Ethiopia before the arrival for St. Frumentius…why did he arrive to FURTHER CHRISTIANISE the Ethiopians?

Guy, you’re really disappointing me with your logic.

MindHacker9009:


Your deceit will not work. I will asked you again: If they were Christians already why do they need to be further Christianized by the Catholic Church?

OkCornel:

The question you should be asking yourself is how Christianity got there in the first place, and if there were scriptures in circulation prior to the formation of the Catholic Church!

MindHacker9009:


No you should tell us why:
If they were Christians already why do they need to be further Christianized again by the Catholic Church?

OkCornel:

After you provide evidence the Roman Catholic Church authored the New Testament.

You think you can you make fraudulent claims and we turn a blind eye to that?

OkCornel:

Oh my goodness. What exactly is the problem here? Are you struggling to understand there’s a difference between Judaism and Christianity?

And if there’s no evidence of Christianity in Ethiopia before the arrival for St. Frumentius…why did he arrive to FURTHER CHRISTIANISE the Ethiopians?

Guy, you’re really disappointing me with your logic.

MindHacker9009:


Your deceit will not work. I will asked you again and again: If they were Christians already why do they need to be further Christianized again by the Catholic Church?

Judaism was in Ethiopia since the time of King Solomon.

OkCornel:
Mindhacker9009, can you please explain why the Roman Empire right from the era of Emperor Nero to the Emperor before Constantine persecute Christians if Jesus Christ was created by the Roman Empire?

Why would the Roman Empire persecute the followers of a “Jesus Christ” you claim they created?

OkCornel:

Oh my goodness. What exactly is the problem here? Are you struggling to understand there’s a difference between Judaism and Christianity?

And if there’s no evidence of Christianity in Ethiopia before the arrival for St. Frumentius…why did he arrive to FURTHER CHRISTIANISE the Ethiopians?

Guy, you’re really disappointing me with your logic.

MindHacker9009:


I have answered this before and I can answer it again but for now:

I will asked you again and again and again: If they were Christians already why do they need to be further Christianized again by the Catholic Church?

Judaism was in Ethiopia since the time of King Solomon.

OkCornel:

And mindhacker keeps dodging the question. What a pity.

The answer to your own question is in the very source you quoted. Further evangelical work was undertaken by St Frumentius who was a Phoenician missionary at the time. Jeez see the screenshot.

Christianity was already in Ethiopia prior to arrival. They consolidated on the work of their forerunners.

Now please show us where the Catholic Church authored the New Testament,

And why the Roman Catholic Church persecuted Christians if indeed they “created Jesus Christ”

MindHacker9009:


That same source states that: "Tradition holds that Ethiopia was first evangelized by St. Matthew and St. Bartholomew in the 1st century ce, and the first Ethiopian convert is thought to have been the eunuch in Jerusalem mentioned in The Acts of the Apostles (8:27–40).
"

If St.Matthew and St.Bartholomew who were the direct disciples of Jesus Christ had already Christianized Ethiopia, then why the need again for the Catholic Church go back again again and Christianized them? Was the Christianized from the direct disciples Jesus Christ not more valid them that of the Catholic Church?

Judaism was in Ethiopia since the time of King Solomon.

OkCornel:

Read my response to your question in case you didn’t see it. Further evangelical work to spread the gospel in places it had not reached in Ethiopia! See the screenshot. Read and think!

Judaism and Christianity is not the same thing. If it was, why would Apostle Matthew or Bartholomew bother to preach Christianity there in the first place?

This isn’t rocket science… smh.


Now answer my questions.

1. Where are your evidence(s) the Roman Catholic Church authored the New Testament?

2. Why did the Roman Empire from the period of Nero’s rule up to the last Emperor before Constantine persecute and kill Christians if indeed the Roman Empire “invented Jesus Christ”?

MindHacker9009:


Well if St.Matthew and St.Bartholomew who were the direct disciples of Jesus Christ had already Christianized Ethiopia, then there was no need again for the Catholic Church go back to further Christianized them.

MindHacker9009:


1. For your first question. Watch the youtube video I have posted here, which was a research by top renowned historians who got access to official Roman empire documents.

2. For your second question, there is no proof that the early christians believed in the resurrection and the second coming.
There are also the Gnostic Gospels that were written in the second century AD: Secret Gospel of Mark, Gospel of Mary, Gospel of Judas and more but none of them talks of resurrection and the second coming.

"On the other hand, the Gnostic Gospels were written in the second century AD: “The canonical gospels were being read and quoted as carrying authority in the early and middle second century, whereas we do not even hear of the non-canonical ones until the middle or end of that century” https://www.gcu.edu/blog/theology-ministry/are-gnostic-gospels-reliable-sources


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmEScIUcvz0

OkCornel:

Goodness gracious. Even a country like Nigeria still has places where Christianity has not penetrated or just recently penetrated. In your funny thought process, Matthew & Bartholomew covered all the square inches in Ethiopia when they preached

MindHacker9009:


Nigerians are now the ones doing evangelism to other parts of Nigeria since independence in 1960 and even to other parts of the world including Europe where the New Testament came from since the 1970's . Is chritianity not about preaching the gospels to the whole world, so why would Matthew & Bartholomew the direct disciples of Jesus Christ take the gospels to Ethiopia in the first century and then the Ethopians will sit down and wait for another 300 years for a catholic priest to come and help them to penetrate into other parts of Ethiopia.

If Matthew & Bartholomew the direct disciples of Jesus Christ were the ones that brought chritianity to Nigeria with all the power Jesus Christ have given them, do you think Nigerians will wait 300 years later for a catholic priest to come and help them take it to other parts of Nigerian?

Your are a BIG JOKER!

MindHacker9009:
Josephus Flavius' writing on Jesus Christ is fake and was influenced by the Roman empire who captured and asked him to write a history on the Jews.

Nero blamed the christians then as a way to build a new palace for himself and he carried out other atrocities as well.
We are not sure of what the early christian believed in as they had no say in which gospels were included in the Bible as this decision was taken by the Roman emperor Constantine with the priests and bishops during the council of Nicea.

The account of what happened to Apostle Peter and Paul are stories told by legends so they are not authentic.

The Roman Catholic church was the ones that brought the Bible to the rest of the world and the King James version by King James and the others followed.

MindHacker9009:


Nigerians are now the ones doing evangelism to other parts of Nigeria since independence in 1960 and even to other parts of the world including Europe where the New Testament came from since the 1970's . Is chritianity not about preaching the gospels to the whole world, so why would Matthew & Bartholomew the direct disciples of Jesus Christ take the gospels to Ethiopia in the first century and then the Ethopians will sit down and wait for another 300 years for a catholic priest to come and help them to penetrate into other parts of Ethiopia.

If Matthew & Bartholomew the direct disciples of Jesus Christ were the ones that brought chritianity to Nigeria with all the power Jesus Christ have given them, do you think Nigerians will wait 300 years later for a catholic priest to come and help them take it to other parts of Nigerian?

Your are a BIG JOKER!

OkCornel:


This is one of the funniest replies I’ve got.

Did you consider the impact of persecution and competition from other competing religious beliefs which made Christianity wane in influence/stagnate in growth prior to further Christianisation attempts?

Please how many missionaries from Europe came to Nigeria prior to 1960? Please tell us. Juxtapose this against “further Christianisation” of Ethiopia.

Your thought process is so comical to be honest.

Apparently, history and religion is not your strong point.

Now, stop dodging my questions.

1. Where are your evidence(s) the Roman Catholic Church authored the New Testament?

2. Why did the Roman Empire from the period of Nero’s rule up to the last Emperor before Constantine persecute and kill Christians if indeed the Roman Empire “invented Jesus Christ”?

You are the biggest Joker

MindHacker9009:
@OkCornel: You are a VERY BIG JOKER: Go back and read my post. I never said the Catholic Church authored the New Testament.

Show proof that the christians Nero persecuted were following the type of Jesus Christ in the New Testament we have today.

MindHacker9009:
Josephus Flavius' writing on Jesus Christ is fake and was influenced by the Roman empire who captured and asked him to write a history on the Jews.

Nero blamed the christians then as a way to build a new palace for himself and he carried out other atrocities as well.
We are not sure of what the early christian believed in as they had no say in which gospels were included in the Bible as this decision was taken by the Roman emperor Constantine with the priests and bishops during the council of Nicea.

The account of what happened to Apostle Peter and Paul are stories told by legends so they are not authentic.

The Roman Catholic church was the ones that brought the Bible to the rest of the world and the King James version by King James and the others followed.

MindHacker9009:


Nigerians are now the ones doing evangelism to other parts of Nigeria since independence in 1960 and even to other parts of the world including Europe where the New Testament came from since the 1970's . Is chritianity not about preaching the gospels to the whole world, so why would Matthew & Bartholomew the direct disciples of Jesus Christ take the gospels to Ethiopia in the first century and then the Ethopians will sit down and wait for another 300 years for a catholic priest to come and help them to penetrate into other parts of Ethiopia.

If Matthew & Bartholomew the direct disciples of Jesus Christ were the ones that brought chritianity to Nigeria with all the power Jesus Christ have given them, do you think Nigerians will wait 300 years later for a catholic priest to come and help them take it to other parts of Nigerian?

Your are a BIG JOKER!

OkCornel:


This is one of the funniest replies I’ve got.

Did you consider the impact of persecution and competition from other competing religious beliefs which made Christianity wane in influence/stagnate in growth prior to further Christianisation attempts?

Please how many missionaries from Europe came to Nigeria prior to 1960? Please tell us. Juxtapose this against “further Christianisation” of Ethiopia.

Your thought process is so comical to be honest.

Apparently, history and religion is not your strong point.

Now, stop dodging my questions.

1. Where are your evidence(s) the Roman Catholic Church authored the New Testament?

2. Why did the Roman Empire from the period of Nero’s rule up to the last Emperor before Constantine persecute and kill Christians if indeed the Roman Empire “invented Jesus Christ”?

You are the biggest Joker

OkCornel:


Oooh, our nairaland’s foremost comedian has backtracked on his claims that the New Testament came from the Roman Catholic Church? If it wasn’t the Roman Catholic Church that authored the New Testament, then who did? Hmmm?

For your second question. Open your eyes and read the screenshot. Emperor Nero also executed Peter and Paul who were followers of Jesus Christ of the New Testament.

Go and study history and stop embarrassing yourself here.

MindHacker9009:
@OkCornel
Read my last post again:

You are a VERY BIG JOKER: Go back and read my post. I never said the Catholic Church authored the New Testament.

Show proof that the christians Nero persecuted were following the type of Jesus Christ in the New Testament we have today.

MindHacker9009:
@OkCornel
Read my last post again:

 You are a VERY BIG JOKER: Go back and read my post. I never said the Catholic Church authored the New Testament.

Show proof that the christians Nero persecuted were following the type of Jesus Christ in the New Testament we have today.

MindHacker9009:
Josephus Flavius' writing on Jesus Christ is fake and was influenced by the Roman empire who captured and asked him to write a history on the Jews.

Nero blamed the christians then as a way to build a new palace for himself and he carried out other atrocities as well.
We are not sure of what the early christian believed in as they had no say in which gospels were included in the Bible as this decision was taken by the Roman emperor Constantine with the priests and bishops during the council of Nicea.

The account of what happened to Apostle Peter and Paul are stories told by legends so they are not authentic.

The Roman Catholic church was the ones that brought the Bible to the rest of the world and the King James version by King James and the others followed.

MindHacker9009:


Nigerians are now the ones doing evangelism to other parts of Nigeria since independence in 1960 and even to other parts of the world including Europe where the New Testament came from since the 1970's . Is chritianity not about preaching the gospels to the whole world, so why would Matthew & Bartholomew the direct disciples of Jesus Christ take the gospels to Ethiopia in the first century and then the Ethopians will sit down and wait for another 300 years for a catholic priest to come and help them to penetrate into other parts of Ethiopia.

If Matthew & Bartholomew the direct disciples of Jesus Christ were the ones that brought chritianity to Nigeria with all the power Jesus Christ have given them, do you think Nigerians will wait 300 years later for a catholic priest to come and help them take it to other parts of Nigerian?

Your are a BIG JOKER!

OkCornel:

You’re the biggest joker that ever liveth!

1. Now that you've changed your stance, kindly tell us who authored the new testament. Hint (They’re eye witnesses to the existence of Jesus Christ)
2. Read the screenshot. You've got functioning eyes. Emperor Nero executed Peter and Paul who were followers of Jesus Christ of the New Testament.

MindHacker9009:
@OkCornel
You are the BIGGEST JOKER in the universe that ever liveth If not you would have asked yourself why all the prophets from Moses in the Old Testament wrote their own books from 1200 to 165 BC but the eyewitnesses to the existence of Jesus Christ did not write any book throughout the ministry of Jesus Christ and  Jesus Christ Himself too did not write any book.
Execution Peter and Paul in Rome are stories by legends so are unreliable
Go back and read my posts below again.

MindHacker9009:
@OkCornel

You are the BIGGEST JOKER in the universe that ever liveth If not you would have asked yourself why all the prophets from Moses in the Old Testament wrote their own books from 1200 to 165 BC but the eyewitnesses to the existence of Jesus Christ did not write any book throughout the ministry of Jesus Christ and  Jesus Christ Himself too did not write any book.

Execution Peter and Paul in Rome are stories by legends so are unreliable

Go back and read my posts below again.