Islie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOj3iTixjAM

Nowhere In The Bible Says A Christian Can't Defend Himself - Pastor Adeboye



https://dailytrust.com/killings-from-now-on-its-fire-for-fire-adeboye-asks-followers-to-defend-themselves

Honestly, truth be said, Daddy G.O Adeboye has lost it. There is no more spiritual power. Just activities and crowd. And with all the harsh reality around, he still want people to come to his church activities in hordes to satisfy his ego. He is using manipulation and blackmail to run ministry. Those that came are "his children". Automatically, the ones who stayed back are not his. Thank God, at least they are children of God. He called them lazy to make them feel bad. All this are tactics to manipulate and control. When Peter was locked up by the authorities, the church used prayers to bring him out. Same happened to Paul and Silas. That was raw power. He is now calling for physical retaliation when nobody is even prepared with ordinary Dane gun. Adeboye, Oyedepo, Oritsejafor, Okonkwo, Wale Oke, Bakare and the rest of them have all failed Nigeria.

Ken4Christ:
This is not a good advice. First, we don't have access to the kind of weapons we need to defend ourselves. Second, if we try to get the weapons illegally, we might be arrested for being in possession of it. Third, we are not trained to fight that way. So in an attempt to defend ourselves, we might still be on the losing side.

The scripture says that the weapons of our warfare are not carnal. It is spiritual.

There is something we are not doing right. Where are the angels we read of in the Bible? Are they dead? Is our God not the same God of king Jehosaphath who led a war with praise singers and the three nations that came against Judah fought and killed themselves.

What I expect Papa Adeboye to do is to give direction to the church like declaring days of fasting and prayers and praise night.

The God of the Bible is still the same God. What he did in the Bible, he can still do.

Let the leaders and worship leaders forsake their sins and cry out to God. He will scatter their plans and save us.

NIGERIA DOES NOT NEED PRAYER AND FASTING, WHAT NIGERIA NEED NOW IS ACTIONS NOT WORDS....

Kobojunkie:
Discard Old testament? Where did you read that in all I typed up there??

2. God is indeed the same God who never included you, a Gentile, in His Covenant with the children of Israel forever. He never called you to obeying those laws or living as those who He called under that Law do.

Again, As one who claims to be a follower of Jesus Christ, you are not called according to God's Old Covenant Law of Moses, God's Constitution given to the people of Israel- those born with the blood of Jacob coursing through their veins - as the National Constitution of the Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20. So it makes no sense of any kind to try to model your life after even David, or Jehoshephat, in any way or form.

Instead you are called according to God's New Covenant Law and Truth, Jesus Christ, in the Kingdom of God and are so expected to live your life in submission to and obedience of the teachings(and commandments) of Jesus Christ, the Law in the Kingdom of God - John 14 vs 15 - 25 & John 15 vs 14.

From your submission it's like God has repented of His old ways. Gentiles of old were also accepted by God

What do you understand by the contemporary term Self defense ? Where you are confronted by a thief with a weapon and you struggle to getting free of his advance to eliminate you and you happen lay hold of a weapon that gives you advantage over your enemies,You mean you still stand for the enemy to unleash brusies on you till you pass out claiming you were destined to die that way due to your knowledge in the scripture?��
[1quote author=Kobojunkie post=114383740] The problem with a lot of you is you think scripture is there for you to quote without understanding or basic comprehension. In Luke 22 vs 37, Jesus Christ explained that the reason He called for His disciples to do that was so that the prophesy which was written of Him in Isaiah 53 vs 12 would be fulfilled. He essentially asked them to get swords and get their purses because that night, they would become like criminals and He numbered among them. And sure enough, Peter attacked another man with the same sword, becoming a criminal by it, implicating the others as a result. They even had to run away as a result in order that they not be arrested Luke 22 vs 47 - 53.

Jesus Christ said you are not to defend yourself when attacked by enemies because of Him. Do you obey Jesus Christ whom you claim to love or do you simply ignore Him because you believe you know better than He in His own Kingdom? [/quote]

am4truth:


OK.. I leave you to your fate. You have chosen the path to follow, good luck to you. But I must say that you lack home training, this is obvious for all to see. Insulting someone of 80 years old.
Spit...

Home training Kee you there. If you mess up, we tell it to your face - whether you are 150years or 10. Who your age epp??

198800Mam:



NIGERIA DOES NOT NEED PRAYER AND FASTING, WHAT NIGERIA NEED NOW IS ACTIONS NOT WORDS....

Before you fight an enemy, you must have a superior weapon which you are permitted to carry by law. So, how do Christians fight against herdsmen carrying AK 47?

It's only the state that can do something about it in terms of fighting these terrorist. The church cannot. Where will you get the weapons to use? If you try to get it illegally, you will be arrested. Don't forget that they don't arrest herdsmen pointing to the fact that they have the support of this present FG.

Femi8586:



God gave you a brain for a reason. Utilize it. If the people of Isreal had this your kind of mentality, Isreal would have become history by now.

Continue to sit down there and be forming over spiritual(I too Sabi) while your enemies continue slitting your throats. If you don't defend yourself, you will be killed and if you have any sin, you will still go to hell. Your killer may repent and make heaven later.

Our case is not the same with Israel. The people defending Israel are the armies and not the civilians.

The states in Nigeria affected can't even do anything about it because they are not permitted to have police or army by law.

So, where will the Christians get the guns to fight with? Don't forget we are also fighting against our bias soldiers.

Iamzik:


Have you not prayed and fasted enough?

If someone knocks on your door with knife to kill you because you are a Christian will you just submit your neck to be butchered without a fight??

How do you fight someone with Ak 47 with a knife? We don't have the weapons to fight even if we have to.

treatise:

From your submission it's like God has repented of His old ways. Gentiles of old were also accepted by God

We are talking here of two different Laws, for two different peoples, in 2 different Kingdoms and for 2 different purposes.

▪︎ God's Old Covenant Law of Moses, YHWH, is the National Constitution of the Nation of Israel(people born of Jacob) as Law in the Kingdom of Canaan. Only the foreigners who lived in the land of Israel benefitted in some way from living among the Israelites but they were excluded from the promises of God's Law - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20

▪︎ God's New Covenant Law, Jesus Christ, is instead Constitution given to individuals who believe in Him as Law in the Kingdom of God, a Kingdom not of this world.

bobgentle:
What do you understand by the contemporary term Self defense ? Where you are confronted by a thief with a weapon and you struggle to getting free of his advance to eliminate you and you happen lay hold of a weapon that gives you advantage over your enemies,You mean you still stand for the enemy to unleash brusies on you till you pass out claiming you were destined to die that way due to your knowledge in the scripture?��

Contemporary term? LOL.... some of you are not even sure was delusion you are led by.

Kobojunkie:
He did that indeed.

In all these did the Bible say give your self to those who want to kill you? Rather, did the bible say don't defend your self? Understand what he saying and don't deceive others.

renheart:
In all these did the Bible say give your self to those who want to kill you? Rather, did the bible say don't defend your self? Understand what he saying and don't deceive others.

Stop winding yourself!

God called you according to His New Covenant Law and Truth, Jesus Christ, in the Kingdom of God and so you are so expected to live your life in submission to and obedience of the teachings(and commandments) of Jesus Christ, the Law in the Kingdom of God - John 14 vs 15 - 25 & John 15 vs 14.

Jesus Christ said you are not to defend yourself when attacked by enemies because of Him. Do you obey Jesus Christ whom you claim to love or do you simply ignore Him because you believe you know better than He in His own Kingdom?

bobgentle:
What do you understand by the contemporary term Self defense ? Where you are confronted by a thief with a weapon and you struggle to getting free of his advance to eliminate you and you happen lay hold of a weapon that gives you advantage over your enemies,You mean you still stand for the enemy to unleash brusies on you till you pass out claiming you were destined to die that way due to your knowledge in the scripture?��
[1quote author=Kobojunkie post=114383740] The problem with a lot of you is you think scripture is there for you to quote without understanding or basic comprehension. In Luke 22 vs 37, Jesus Christ explained that the reason He called for His disciples to do that was so that the prophesy which was written of Him in Isaiah 53 vs 12 would be fulfilled. He essentially asked them to get swords and get their purses because that night, they would become like criminals and He numbered among them. And sure enough, Peter attacked another man with the same sword, becoming a criminal by it, implicating the others as a result. They even had to run away as a result in order that they not be arrested Luke 22 vs 47 - 53.

Jesus Christ said you are not to defend yourself when attacked by enemies because of Him. Do you obey Jesus Christ whom you claim to love or do you simply ignore Him because you believe you know better than He in His own Kingdom?

.. Lies. Don't try to miss lead people with your wrong explanation. You are saying he said u should give your self to those who wants to kill you?

Kobojunkie:
I already die that one page one... Matthew 5 vs 38 - 48 & Luke 6 vs 27 - 36.

Jesus Christ said you are not to defend yourself when attacked by enemies because of Him. Do you obey Jesus Christ whom you claim to love or do you simply ignore Him because you believe you know better than He in His own Kingdom?

Jesus Christ was only teaching against retaliation here for peaceful coexistence and not saying people should not defend themselves when there is a threat to their lives.
Go and read: Luke 11:21, Nehemiah 4:14, Psalm 144:1 Matthew 10:34 and Exodus 21:22-25

Sometimes our pastors body language is not encouraging. Put a straight messages and stop being afraid of anyone.

4good:


...Anyway, What do you know? I'm sure you think you know something...

With what are you going to fight people with Ak 47 and other dangerous weapons? You will just give them the opportunity to kill more.

If we are permitted to carry gun, sure we can defend ourselves. But as it stands now it's impossible because we don't have the weapons. So, we should use the spiritual weapons that is more powerful than physical weapons. If these spiritual weapons are not working, we should check ourselves. What hinders God from fighting on our behalf mostly is sin.

If we are repent of our sins, especially the church leaders and worship leaders and cry out to God, he will hear our cry and heal our lands.

But telling Christians to defend themselves against terrorists without weapons is like throwing yourself to the lion's den. This is why I said, it wasn't a good advice. If he knows how we can get the weapons for us, it will make more sense to attempt to defend ourselves.

Or, do you know where I can get one without breaking the law and without being caught?

jnig:


Everyone has suddenly become a theologian with a good grasp of scriptural truth. If you think your understanding is better hold on to it. After all he was not talking to you or are you one of his children? Listen to your own father and let him speak to his children. Do note however that his message is laud and clear.

I am expressing my opinion and I know what I am saying. Please tell me, what are we going to use to defend ourselves against those who have all sorts of sophisticated weapons?

abidem4real:
1. Jesus Christ was only teaching against retaliation here for peaceful coexistence and not saying people should not defend themselves when there is a threat to their lives.

2. Go and read: Luke 11:21, Nehemiah 4:14, Psalm 144:1 Matthew 10:34 and Exodus 21:22-25

1. This statement does not make any sense considering Jesus Christ clearly said "do not defend yourself" in that passage stating no other conditions.

2. Do I need to reiterate that you are not called to be a follower of the National Constitution of Israel, but instead you are called to the Constitution of the Kingdom of God of which Jesus Christ is the embodiment of.

Also, never lift a verse out-of-context so you don't loose the meaning of what is being said to you. If you carefully read through Luke 11 vs 14 - 23 , you will quickly realize that Jesus Christ didn't call you to be a strong man nor did He ask you to, in anyway, to fully arm and guard your own palace.

The same applies to Matthew 10 vs 34 - 37 which happens to be Jesus Christ repeating a prophecy said of Him in Micha 7 vs 5 - 6. He came to drive enmity between family members hence He did not come to bring peace but a sword.

seunaj:

This Morosoph thinks that he knows God more than us. You have been emotionaly subjugated by fulanism and intellectually bankrupt. Keep shut forever!

I certainly don't know much but with the little I know, such advice will result to more casualties. At the end, he will deny he never meant we should really fight. Do you fight someone with Ak 47 with sticks and knives? You must have the same weapons or even better to defeat these terrorist that have been used to fighting all their lives.

Let him provide weapons first before he can ask us to defend ourselves with it. And it will be with the assumption that government soldiers will not come after us.

bro4u:

You're so annoyingly foolish

You think so? Now, tell me, with what are we going to use to defend ourselves? Do they sell guns in the open market? Even if they do, is it everyone that can afford it.

You don't tell people to do things that will get them into more trouble. You will either be killed or be arrested by the soldiers. Don't forget, the soldiers will come after you but not after them.

Even people in a community in Southern Kaduna that acquired bows and arrows for self defense were arrested by soldiers.

The present Nigeria government is giving these terrorist support from behind the scene. And they are ready to strip any community of any form of arms procured for self defense.

Papa Adeboye should use his exalted position and tell this government that they are the ones killing Christians. They should send delegate to Aso Rock and tell them to stop the carefully planned genocide against Christian communities.

He should tell is son, Osinbajo to resign in solemn protest against this evil government.

It's either we all come out in mass protest and the prominent church leaders should be in front.

We don't have the weapons to fight. But we have spiritual weapons that are more powerful. If it's not working, let's find out were we have missed it.

CSTRR:

I hope you are sarcastic.

I am not. I am saying the simple truth. You can only defend yourself by having similar or superior weapons. But we do not have them.

Ken4Christ:


I certainly don't know much but with the little I know, such advice will result to more casualties. At the end, he will deny he never meant we should really fight. Do you fight someone with Ak 47 with sticks and knives? You must have the same weapons or even better to defeat these terrorist that have been used to fighting all their lives.

Let him provide weapons first before he can ask us to defend ourselves with it. And it will be with the assumption that government soldiers will not come after us.

So what are suggesting? That we should always sit back and wait for them to always attack us and go Scott free? How many arrest have been made by the government for all the attacks?

Ken4Christ:


You think so? Now, tell me, with what are we going to use to defend ourselves? Do they sell guns in the open market? Even if they do, is it everyone that can afford it.

You don't tell people to do things that will get them into more trouble. You will either be killed or be arrested by the soldiers. Don't forget, the soldiers will come after you but not after them.

Even people in a community in Southern Kaduna that acquired bows and arrows for self defense were arrested by soldiers.

The present Nigeria government is giving these terrorist support from behind the scene. And they are ready to strip any community of any form of arms procured for self defense.

Papa Adeboye should use his exalted position and tell this government that they are the ones killing Christians. They should send delegate to Aso Rock and tell them to stop the carefully planned genocide against Christian communities.

He should tell is son, Osinbajo to resign in solemn protest against this evil government.

It's either we all come out in mass protest and the prominent church leaders should be in front.

We don't have the weapons to fight. But we have spiritual weapons that are more powerful. If it's not working, let's find out were we have missed it.

I have been following your idiotic responses. I can only conclude that you are NOT a Christian. You are an head slammer trying work on the brain of gullible Christians

Nigerians especially Christians must watch the video at the link below and STOP paying heed to all these FAKE Nigerian pastors that are preaching this elusive peace and unity nonsense according to the white man's Bible.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I-BMuoFv8g

Kobojunkie:
Never lift a verse of scripture out-of-context!

Read the entire passage of Luke 22 vs 36 - 53 to under what Jesus Christ meant and why He meant it instead.

I have done a search on the context.
Scriptures never advice violence, but scriptures did not condemn self defense

salem1996:
I have done a search on the context.
Scriptures never advice violence, but scriptures did not condemn self defense

Go and read Matthew 5 vs 38 - 48 & Luke 6 vs 27 - 36 where Jesus Christ outright declares you are not to defend yourself when attacked by an enemy.

seunaj:

I have been following your idiotic responses. I can only conclude that you are NOT a Christian. You are an head slammer trying work on the brain of gullible Christians

Your argument should be rational. Just answer the simple question. With what are we going to defend ourselves? With sticks and knives? Do you think I love what is happening. But we must apply realistic solutions.

A community that procured bows and arrows to defend themselves were dispossessed by the military. The fight is not just against the herdsmen and bandits. We are fighting with the military. We can't win with that approach.

Was it not attempt by Sunday Igboho to defend the Yorubas that led to his arrest? Let's not start what we can't finish.

The southern governors and lawmakers from these regions should come together and find a practical solution to this evil.

Our southern leaders with this evil government should resign in protest because they too are not safe. They should stop their foolish loyalty.

seunaj:

So what are suggesting? That we should always sit back and wait for them to always attack us and go Scott free? How many arrest have been made by the government for all the attacks?

I didn't say so but you can't fight them with sticks and knives. If the state government can't do anything, our only hope is God. And God will intervene if we do away with our sins and wickedness to seek his face.

Have you not read battles Israel Nation lost in the Bible days because their ways were not right with God?

If our ways are not right with God, we will still lose the battle trying to fight carnally.

The scripture says:

2nd Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and TURN FROM THEIR WICKED WAYS; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land

198800Mam:



NIGERIA DOES NOT NEED PRAYER AND FASTING, WHAT NIGERIA NEED NOW IS ACTIONS NOT WORDS....

Kanu tried actions and he was arrested. Sunday Igboho tried actions and he was attacked. Which action are you talking about?

The only action is for us to tell this FG the truth and all party loyalty in APC from the south should resign. Ameachi and Osinbajo should resign because they too will not be spared.

The Governors must be decisive. They should empower vigilantee.

The senior army officers who are Christians should summon courage and tell their Muslim colleagues the evil they are doing.

We as believers have the only option of praying and praising God for divine intervention. We do not have the weapons to fight. We are not permitted to carry arms. If you do, the FG soldiers will arrest you.

Willie2015:


Have you not read about Nehemiah in your bible......
That directed every men rebuilding the wall....
to work with one hand and held a weapon with the other to defend themselves....
Thats a natural principle......Battle is the seed for territory.....
Spiritual principles are guided by Gods specific instruction.....
On a subject e.g Like God instruction to Jehosaphat...
The critical point is to know when (seasons) to apply each principle....

Who will allow you to carry weapons? Are the FG soldiers not disarming ESN that carry weapons? Didn't they attack Igboho that carried weapons. You people always make reference to the Bible when the scenerio is not the same.

Ken4Christ:


Who will allow you to carry weapons? Are the FG soldiers not disarming ESN that carry weapons? Didn't they attack Igboho that carried weapons. You people always make reference to the Bible when the scenario is not the same.

Just the usual docile attitude of Christians..
What's stopping Christians from obtaining gun license..
to carry guns lawfully.....
We have millions of Christian lawyers to argue this out in the court of law......
Are you holier than Nehemiah that told his people to defend themselves...
Did you not read about David in the book of Psalms........
Blessed be the Lord, my rock, who trains my hands for war, and my fingers for battle;
Did you not read in the bible that “Whenever an armed strongman keeps his homestead, his property is at peace.
Battle is the seed for territory .
It is a natural principle.

Kobojunkie:
Go and read Matthew 5 vs 38 - 48 & Luke 6 vs 27 - 36 where Jesus Christ outright declares you are not to defend yourself when attacked by an enemy.

Ok, why did Jesus ran away when he was being sought to be killed? If the people that brought the gospel had foolishly stayed to be killed, will you have received the gospel?


What is your understanding of an enemy?

In Jesus's time (around 3AD-35AD), were the enemies killing the people? Were there even sword available people to carry?

Why do you think the people ran away during the time of the church fathers?
Weapons were solely for armies and guards.
Enemies were the government authorities and not sects that killed unarmed people. In those days, Christianity was never an acceptable religion hence, even if they were killed, the government commend the killers and even the killers (enemies) do so under commands.

Today, Christianity has been accepted, killers or enemies are not acting base on government orders, most killers are religiously inclined and weapons are available for the masses.

Tell me, do we have Christians in the army? Why do they kill bandits? If believers are not to defend themselves, why do we have armies and security guards? Why do you make gates and doors in your house? Why do you place security men in your church?