Azibalua:

Actually shows how small you are

Febup:

Ok, I will get you a visa and a ticket to come and see me in the US, and I can assure you that you will come back here to say "Actually that shows how BIG you are"

ogajim:

You need to add 10% processing fee (I mean tithe) of the ticket value or "azibalua" ain't coming to see you in the good 'ol USA.
Babylon is falling to rise no more!

garyarnold:

Consider the following:

When the children of Israel reached the promised land, with their animals, etc., every "family" had a farm.  But every "family member" was not a farmer.  They had all kinds of occupations.  But the "family" had a farm, and the tithe was on the crops and animals in herds and flocks, NOT on the wages or other types of income from the "family members."  The command to tithe wasn't on each individual, but rather on the "children of Israel" as a nation, or as a whole.  Church leaders put the tithe down to the individual level which is wrong. Putting the tithe down to the individual level creates all kinds of problems; i.e. some tithed, some did not.  It creates the problem of understanding that ALL attended the yearly feast, but not all tithed.  When you see the big picture that the tithe was on the nation as a whole, and not the individual, everything starts to fall into place.

garyarnold:

If anyone can claim they tithe because they give a tenth of their income to the church, I can claim I tithe if I give a tenth of anything I have to the church.

Snowwy:

I just had to comment on this statement and another you made. It seems like you are trying your best to show you tithe, I really do not get you. You claim you are against tithe on one hand then on another you say you can 'claim I tithe'.
What really are you trying to claim? In another post you said you can go tell people or your pastor that you tithe.
It seems you think you want to tithe cos you want to prove a point.

Meanwhile, as I once said, it's you guys who do not tithe that are making a big deal about tithing and straining so much to justify your actions. God gave us all freewill, it is not by force.

garyarnold:

Abram gave a tenth of the spoils to Melchizekek LONG BEFORE God changed his name to Abraham,

and LONG BEFORE God made his covenant with Abraham which, by the way, said nothing about tithing.

Gen. 12:2 - And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing;

Gen. 17:4 - As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

Some tithers say they don't want to be legalistic, yet they keep the MOST LEGALISTIC part of the tithing commands - THE TENTH.

Then some claim they are following Abram's example when in fact they are not. They are in fact following NO PART of Abram's example.  They are not giving a tenth of spoils. They are not giving to a King-Priest.  They are not limiting their giving to a one-time event on something out-of-the-ordinary.  They are not giving away the rest of it.  They are fooling no one but themselves and the gullible.

That makes as much sense as taking the word sabbath out of the Bible and applying it to any time, any day that they don't feel like doing anything.  Just take a rest and call it a sabbath.  Gee, I guess I can keep a sabbath every afternoon for an hour or two.

What this is called is MANIPULATION of God's Word.  Take any word out of context and apply it the way YOU want to apply it.

If anyone can claim they tithe because they give a tenth of their income to the church, I can claim I tithe if I give a tenth of anything I have to the church.

Febup:

Are pastors Melchizedek Malachi 3:10 that pastors are using to collect tithes relates to the levites and not the tithe Abram gave to Melchizedek as we are not told that Abram's tithe to Melchizedek will open the windows of heaven and pour out any blessing for Abram.

Joagbaje:

It is christ that is the high priest who recieves the tithes not the pastors.

Febup:

No it is men that die that receive the tithes and not Christ:

Hebrews 7: 8
8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

If you pastors believe that Christ is alive you won't be collecting tithes for Christians today.

wordtalk:

In EVERY type of offering, it is men that die who receive them. God did not personally come down to receive your own offering in any way - unless you are bent on proving that YOU do not give at all! Please show me WHEN and WHERE you have ever given anything directly into the hand of God - did He ever come down to your address to receive it physically by Himself?

Men receive things from other men - there is no argument against that. Show me when God came down to receive yours in a different way!

- "but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth". Please tell me: of whom is it witnessed that HE LIVETH?

Again I ask: of whom is it witnessed that "HE LIVETH"? It's easy to see your doubts about the witness of Christ who LIVES.

Febup:

29.Hebrews 7:5
And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham

We are told that the sons of Levi have a commandment to collect tithes in the new Testament.

Where in the Bible does it say that pastors have a commandment to collect tithes from Christians If any tithe proponent can show it to me, not by manipulation of the scriptures, then I will start paying my tithes to any pastors you nominate so that me too can start reaping the reward of tithing you guys have been telling us about  

Snowwy:

@Wordtalk,
I have actually had a discourse on other threads with them and I try to respect others opinions.
If you have strong reasons from the bible to prove you should not tithe, then way to go. If you have strong reasons from the bible to tithe then go ahead.

What I find strange is saying tithe is unbiblical/unscriptural then coming back and saying you have nothing against tithe per se or start claiming you tithe.

Most of the reasons I see against tithe are actually excuses.

Anyway, there is more to Christian living that all these debates.

Febup:

We are told that the sons of Levi have a commandment to collect tithes in the new Testament.

Where in the Bible does it say that pastors have a commandment to collect tithes from Christians

Joagbaje:

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

Febup:

29.Hebrews 7:5
And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham

Joagbaje:

I don't really get the point you're trying to make here

Joagbaje:

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

Joagbaje:

It is christ that is the high priest who recieves the tithes not the pastors.

Joagbaje:

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
13 [color=#990000]Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.[/color]

ogajim:

Pastor JoAgbaje don come again coming off the bench for viaro/pilgrim.1/(later day) Wordtalk .
Pastor JoAgbaje: Kindly point to the Scriptures and show us where Jesus Christ who DID NOT COLLECT TITHES on his Earthly journey somehow gave that responsibility to pastors of the Modern Churches of Nigeria LTD.

Pastor JoAgbaje: I don't think you understand the CONTEXT of this quote because if Jesus Christ paid the ULTIMATE debt to free us from the BONDAGE of SIN and DEATH, aren't we the TEMPLE of God? Do you have another type of Temple in today's Christianity? Aren't we Royal Priests of God?

You wake up one morning, follow some jerry curled dude about and proclaim you have been called and now we are supposed to pay for you? Why can't you "eat" from the free will offerings since you want to be fed? Why must you impose a non-existent requirement on your flock?

Judgment day go though no be small.

garyarnold:

1 Corinthians 9:13-14 has nothing to do with tithing.

Since the tithe belongs to God, if a pastor accepts it isn't he stealing it from God?  Can someone just appointment themselves to received God's tithe?