Kobojunkie:
But, nowhere in that statement is it implied that man did not know good before that point in time. Recall that when man was made, he was declared "good" by God meaning man at least had some basic knowledge/awareness of good to work with.

That Bible verse is very clear now.

They did not have that knowledge until they ate of that tree.

Yes, man was declared good, but by God who knew good from evil.

Man did not declare himself good or bad. He had no such knowledge prior to eating of the tree.

BluntTheApostle:
So, one cannot make choices except between GOOD and EVIL?There were varieties in Eden. Man could avail his freedom of choice without having to choose between good and evil.

Why did evil even exist in the first place?

Surely, Adam and Eve made lots of choices that did not toe the line between sin and obedience during their time in the garden - the choice of what to eat, whether to bath, what animals to hang out with, who stream to drink from - there were choices.

Why shouldn't evil exist?

Kobojunkie:
Surely, Adam and Eve made lots of choices that did not toe the line between sin and obedience during their time in the garden - the choice of what to eat, whether to bath, what animals to hang out with, who stream to drink from - there were choices.

Why shouldn't evil exist?

This is a bad question because it solves nothing.

It is like saying, "Why shouldn't poverty exist?"

It should be "why should povert exist?

That is the right question for solving a problem.

God regretted creating the world so many times in the Bible.

Why wait to regret when you have the capacity to create a better world?

BluntTheApostle:
1. This is a bad question because it solves nothing. It is like saying, "Why shouldn't poverty exist?" It should be "why should povert exist? That is the right question for solving a problem.
2. God regretted creating the world so many times in the Bible. Why wait to regret when you have the capacity to create a better world?

1. I don't follow.... Why shouldn't evil exist?

2. God regretted but God never changed His mind, why? Likely because His plan from the beginning remained good even with all the disappointments He experienced with His creation, man. The problem was never the world that God created, no, everything else remained good. Man is the only creation that chose to go it alone at that point, but as it turns out, not all men would choose a similar path as Adam.

Kobojunkie:
1. I don't follow.... Why shouldn't evil exist?

Why should evil exist?

Answer my own question first.

2. God regretted but God never changed His mind, why? Likely because His plan from the beginning remained good even with all the disappointments He experienced with His creation, man. The problem was never the world that God created, no, everything else remained good. Man is the only creation that chose to go it alone at that point, but as it turns out, not all men would choose a similar path as Adam.

If God is perfect, how come imperfection came out of him?

It is not Adam's fault that God's plan failed in Eden?

The least God could have done was ban the Serpent from Eden. That way, his plan would have worked.

And when Adam sinned, why did God quickly protect the Tree of Life from the reach of Adam.

He found it easier to punish man than to protect him from the evil influence of the Serpent.

BluntTheApostle:
That Bible verse is very clear now.

It is Adam and Eve, not having the experience of the knowledge of Good and Evil, that the bible is very clear off

BluntTheApostle:
They did not have that knowledge until they ate of that tree.

They definitely did have knowledge before they ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil. Yeah, Adam to start with was infused with induced accelerated knowledge.

It is because of this rapid knowledge that Adam was able to successfully do the animal kingdom classification (i.e. genus and/or taxonomy)

BluntTheApostle:
No, man was not intrinsically declared good, but by God who knew good from evil..

Good, in the Genesis 2:17 context, is translated from a word, that means and typifies 'Beautiful' while Evil, in the same Genesis 2:17 context, is translated from a word, that means and typifies 'Adversity'.

BluntTheApostle:
Man did not declare himself good or bad. He had no such knowledge prior to eating of the tree.

Man did not declare himself good or bad, as was unable to so or was incapable of doing anything of the sort, simply because of having not yet experienced the dichotomy of what the knowledge of Good and Evil

OK, as it happened, good, in the Genesis 2:17 context, is translated from a Hebrew word, that means and typifies 'Beautiful' while Evil, in the same Genesis 2:17 context, is translated from a Hebrew word, that means and typifies 'Adversity'. The figure of speech used in the Genesis 2:17 passage, is what's called merism. So, in essence, the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil figure of speech, is used similarly, just as another merism, like 'Hello Ladies and Gentlemen' is used

Look up, the word, synecdoches, to learn more and have more insight knowledge

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

BluntTheApostle:
1. Why should evil exist? Answer my own question first.

2a. If God is perfect, how come imperfection came out of him?
b. It is not Adam's fault that God's plan failed in Eden? The least God could have done was ban the Serpent from Eden. That way, his plan would have worked.

c. And when Adam sinned, why did God quickly protect the Tree of Life from the reach of Adam. He found it easier to punish man than to protect him from the evil influence of the Serpent.

1. God created evil.

2a. Probably because perfection isn't necessarily the non-existence of evil but instead some sort of balance between good and evil? God created good and evil and He rules over both. That is perfection as we know it, is it not?

b. But who said God's plan failed in Eden? God gave Adam a choice - - Genesis 2 vs 15 - 16. Adam chose to go it without God and so he also had to bear the consequence of said choice. Why is that recorded by you as a failure on God's part?

c. Probably because the consequence of the choice made by Adam stipulated he is denied eternal life - Genesis 2 vs 15 - 16?

NNTR:
It is Adam and Eve, not having the experience of the knowledge of Good and Evil, that the bible is very clear off

If Adam merely had knowledge, and no experience, how come his eyes did not open until he ate of the tree? Is it experiencing a knowledge that solely opens our eyes, or both the knowledge and the experience?

They definitely did have knowledge before they ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil. Yeah, Adam to start with was infused with induced accelerated knowledge.

Explain how induced accelerated knowledge works.

Does it only become true knowledge from experience?

It is because of this rapid knowledge that Adam was able to successfully do the animal kingdom classification (i.e. genus or taxonomy)

Be specific.

Knowledge of good and evil is not the same as knowledge of zoology.

Good, in the Genesis 2:17 context, is translated from a word, that means and typifies 'Beautiful' while Evil, in the same Genesis 2:17 context, is translated from a word, that means and typifies 'adversity'.

OK.

Man did not declare himself good or bad, as was unable to or incapable of doing anything of the sort, simply because of having not yet experienced the dichotomy of the knowledge of Good and Evil

So, it is not enough to have the knowledge, I must experience good and bad to tell good from bad?

Is that not the same as saying they couldn't really tell good from evil.

A baby does not know whether fire is good or bad. They become aware when they touch it or when they grow older and see examples of what fire can do.

Does God consider learning bad?

Good, in the Genesis 2:17 context, is translated from a Hebrew word, that means and typifies 'Beautiful' while Evil, in the same Genesis 2:17 context, is translated from a Hebrew word, that means and typifies 'adversity'. The figure of speech used in the Genesis 2:17 passage is what's called merism. So, in essence, the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil figure of speech, is used similarly, just as another merism, like 'Hello Ladies and Gentlemen' is used

Which supports the argument I have often had that the Creation Story did not happen for real. It is a myth. A Jewish myth.

Kobojunkie:
1. God created evil.

The only thing that has caused God to fail continually is EVIL.

Even after the global flood of Genesis, the world is still just as EVIL.

Where is the wisdom?

An engineer who builds cars will always work to remove every conceivable clog in the wheel of near-perfect automobile.

2a. Probably because perfection isn't necessarily the non-existence of evil but instead some sort of balance between good and evil? God created good and evil and He rules over both. That is perfection as we know it, is it not?

Perfection does not mean balance between good and evil, but something complete.

Balance is totally different from perfection.

b. But who said God's plan failed in Eden? God gave Adam a choice - - Genesis 2 vs 15 - 16. Adam chose to go it without God and so he also had to bear the consequence of said choice. Why is that recorded by you as a failure on God's part?

If his plan did not fail, why was he so angry?

And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” (Gen 3:22)

There was never a plan for man to be like God. That plan failed.

c. Probably because the consequence of the choice made by Adam stipulated he is denied eternal life - Genesis 2 vs 15 - 16?

Who stipulated it? God?

Why?

BluntTheApostle:
Why should evil exist?

Evil is the absence of good.

By default, in the absence of good, evil would exist. In fact, suffice to say, that, the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men/women to do nothing or say nothing.

BluntTheApostle:
If God is perfect, how come imperfection came out of him?

Smh. God has no imperfection about Him. No imperfection has ever come out from God

BluntTheApostle:
It is not Adam's fault that God's plan failed in Eden?

None, of the trio, talking of Adam, Eve and Serpent ever put the blame on God, but instead they were passing the blame buck between themselves, to the extent that at the end of it all, the serpent literally had no legs left, to stand on.

BluntTheApostle:
The least God could have done was ban the Serpent from Eden. That way, his plan would have worked.

The least required of God, He did, when He expressly told an adult Adam about not to steal and eat what does not belong to him and warned him of the consequence of what disobeying the command would do

The serpent just as every other animals on earth had free ranging access, besides, you need to research to find out what sort of peculiar animal the serpent was and what its usefulness to Adam and Eve was.

Also sought out why was the serpent, a good candidate for the devil to possess and used to deceive Eve with

BluntTheApostle:
And when Adam sinned, why did God quickly protect the Tree of Life from the reach of Adam.

The reason is because Adam and Eve, as progenitors, cant be allowed to have life perpetuity in the marred or fall from grace to grass state they have become.

BluntTheApostle:
He found it easier to punish man than to protect him from the evil influence of the Serpent.

Note that the Bible said Adam was not deceived. Adam was well designed and capable of not just protecting himself, but extend such to Eve.

Adam's problem was a case of misplaced loyalty. It was a costly mistaken loyalty.

I am sure you know that God before creation, had already developed via atonement, the plan of redemption salvation and reconciliation

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

BluntTheApostle:
1. The only thing that has caused God to fail continually is EVIL. Even after the global flood of Genesis, the world is still just as EVIL. Where is the wisdom?

An engineer who builds cars will always work to remove every conceivable clog in the wheel of near-perfect automobile perfection.

2. Perfection does not mean balance between good and evil, but something complete. Balance is totally different from perfection.

3a. If his plan did not fail, why was he so angry? And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” (Gen 3:22)

b. There was never a plan for man to be like God. That plan failed.

4. Who stipulated it? God? Why?

1. If God created evil, and that which He created begins to thrive, how can it be counted as a failure against Him, the creator of evil?

2. It is? Aren't you trying here to judge these things by your standard then?

3a. Well, probably because Adam chose to get around God's way of becoming like Him in his own way instead.

b. But the plan that is Jesus Christ is the same plan that God offered to man in Eden. Jesus Christ is the embodiment of God's Truth(the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil) and God's Eternal Life(Tree of Life) repackaged in human flesh - John 14 vs 6. And through Jesus Christ, men are once again able to become Sons of God, that which was lost to them by Adam's disobedience in Eden.

4. Would you have rather a God handover the reigns to Adam, his creation, while He, God, holds no control or what?

NNTR:
Evil is the absence of good.

By default, in the absence of good, evil would exist. In fact, suffice to say, that, the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men/women to do nothing or say nothing.

But, you admitted that God created evil.

It means God planned good to be ephemeral. Why not create good which can never fail to exist at any one period in time?

Smh. God has no imperfection about Him. No imperfection has ever come out from God

But who created evil?

None, of the trio, talking of Adam, Eve and Serpent ever put the blame on God, but instead they were passing the blame buck between themselves, to the extent that at the end of it all, the serpent literally had no legs left, to stand on.

The Serpent was never allowed to talk. To defend himself.

The least required of God, He did, when He expressly told an adult Adam about not to steal and eat what does not belong to him and warned him of the consequence of what disobeying the command would do

Was Adam really an adult in faculty?

He had not one single experience of punishment.

You think adulthood is merely having a fully formed body?

Adam was without guile, and yet God allowed cunning Serpent, the master of deception, to roam free around him.

Such wisdom!! SMH.

The serpent just as every other animals on earth had free ranging access, besides, you need to research to find out what sort of peculiar animal the serpent was and what its usefulness to Adam and Eve was.

What perculiar animal was it?

I am a snake expert, but I also do know that Eden was supposed to be perfect. So, no need for rodent control.

Also sought out why was the serpent, a good candidate for the devil to possess and used to deceive Eve with

SMH..

The reason is because Adam and Eve, as progenitors, cant be allowed to have life perpetuity in the marred or fall from grace to grass state they have become.

Good point. But, was punishing mankind to the uncountable generation the best way to rectify the wrong?

Note that the Bible said Adam was not deceived. Adam was well designed and capable of not just protecting himself, but extend such to Eve.

Indeed, but that is no proof that he had knowledge of good and evil. Only that he probably was more obedient.

Blind obedience is not intelligence, and is in fact, the exact opposite of intelligence.

Adam's problem was a case of misplaced loyalty. It was a costly mistaken loyalty.

Indeed.

I am sure you know that God before creation, had already developed via atonement, the plan of redemption salvation and reconciliation

By first placing generational curses?

Kobojunkie:
1. If God created evil, and that which He created begins to thrive, how can it be counted as a failure against Him, the creator of evil?

But evil has made him fail countless times.

It is in the Bible.

The flood story, and his almost daily squabbles with the Israelites.

2. It is? Aren't you trying here to judge these things by your standard then?

I am trying to imagine the wisdom in being all-powerful, and yet weak in character.

3a. Well, probably because Adam chose to get around God's way of becoming like Him in his own way instead.

Perhaps, God did not make a perfect plan.

b. But the plan that is Jesus Christ is the same plan that God offered to man in Eden. Jesus Christ is the embodiment of God's Truth(the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil) and God's Eternal Life(Tree of Life) repackaged in human flesh - John 14 vs 6. And through Jesus Christ, men are once again able to become Sons of God, that which was lost to them by Adam's disobedience in Eden.

There would have been no need for Jeaus Christ at all.

That is my point.

4. Would you have rather a God handover the reigns to Adam, his creation, while He, God, holds no control or what?

Since Adam did not choose to be created, it is only fair to treat him with some consideration.

BluntTheApostle:
1. But evil has made him fail countless times. It is in the Bible. The flood story, and his almost daily squabbles with the Israelites.
2. I am trying to imagine the wisdom in being all-powerful, and yet weak in character.
3. Perhaps, God did not make a perfect plan.
4. There would have been no need for Jeaus Christ at all. That is my point.
5. Since Adam did not choose to be created, it is only fair to treat him with some consideration.

1. I think this is an issue of perspective since you seem to come from a point that insists that evil is not of God even when it is made clear that God created and controls evil.

2. I can see how hard that would be to grasp given you don't seem to realize that God uses even evil in accomplishing His Will meaning what you consider failure is not even close.

3. Or God's plan is perfect, only you just can't seem to see it from where you sit?

4. But Jesus Christ was necessary from the beginning because as I said, God made man with ability to choose good or evil of his own. If Adam had made the choice for us all, then we would probably fall in line simply because of what Adam chose and not really because it is what we desire.

5. Who among us all chose to be created?

Kobojunkie:
1. I think this is an issue of perspective since you seem to come from a point that insists that evil is not of God even when it is made clear that God created and controls evil.

If God controls evil, then who is to blame for evil getting out of control?

Should it not be God?

2. I can see how hard that would be to grasp given you don't seem to realize that God uses even evil in accomplishing His Will meaning what you consider failure is not even close.

If God uses evil to accomplish his will, why does he then always repent that he made man?

3. Or God's plan is perfect, only you just can't seem to see it from where you sit?

If it were a perfect plan, the flood story wouldn't have happened.

4. But Jesus Christ was necessary from the beginning because as I said, God made man with ability to choose good or evil of his own. If Adam had made the choice for us all, then we would probably fall in line simply because of what Adam chose and not really because it is what we desire.

Simply, if God had protected Adam more , the world would have been a better place.

5. Who among us all chose to be created?

My point is that since Adam did not choose to be created, why being harsh on him unduly.

The man immediately learnt his lesson. His eyes immediately opened, and he was ashamed. This is an evidence of repentance.

Why the harsh judgement over a first wrong?

BluntTheApostle:

1 Corinthians 10:13
'No temptation [regardless of its source] has overtaken or enticed you
that is not common to human experience
[nor is any temptation unusual or beyond human resistance];
but God is faithful [to His word—He is compassionate and trustworthy],
and He will not let you be tempted beyond your ability [to resist],
but along with the temptation He [has in the past and is now and] will [always] provide the way out as well,
so that you will be able to endure it [without yielding, and will overcome temptation with joy].'

The moment you begin realise that Adam failed obeying just a single law he was capable of obeying. God is that just and fair that He wouldnt drop Adam into anything, if Adam was not able to overcome.

God showed Adam how to escape from the temptation of eating from the TGKE

BluntTheApostle:
If Adam merely had knowledge, and no experience, how come his eyes did not open until he ate of the tree?

Do you eat your birthday cake in whole as it is, or you cut it up in pieces? Rhetorical question, so dont bother answering it

You're lumping together knowledge, experience and 'eyes did not open until he ate of the tree' as one whole thing, when they are separated or need cut up into pieces.

Try this for size:
How was tomato determine to be a fruit?

Now watch this, knowledge is being aware that, tomato is a fruit.

On the other hand, experience, is had the chance to cut open up a tomato and probably eat it to see it has seeds, hence having the understanding that, tomato in fact, truth, reality and actually, is a fruit

As for 'eyes did not open until he ate of the tree', this is one of the places where the bible is polysemous.

Taking one meaning, the lesser and safer one here, is that, Adam still had a glorified body, essentially a protective cloth of righteousness. This shielded him from any of the elements of nature

BluntTheApostle:
Is it experiencing a knowledge that solely opens our eyes, or both the knowledge and the experience?

As earlier hinted, that passage is constructed in shroud of double entendre. They upon after eating the fruit, realised something has gone awry, and they are missing something, then ....

BluntTheApostle:
Explain how induced accelerated knowledge works.

Explain how Adam came about with the ability and successfully be able to do the animal classification then?

BluntTheApostle:
Does it only become true knowledge from experience?

I know quite a lot of things, that I havent personally or directly myself, experienced

BluntTheApostle:
Be specific.

It takes an intelligent and knowledgeable person to successfully carry out the naming all animals

BluntTheApostle:
Knowledge of good and evil is not the same as knowledge of zoology.

So you now agree then that Adam did have some semblance of knowledge. Huh?

BluntTheApostle:
OK.

You havent a Scooby-Do idea what all that is about

BluntTheApostle:
So, it is not enough to have the knowledge, I must experience good and bad to tell good from bad?

Exactly, and the hour for experiencing anything like had not come.[/quote]Trust me, once you've experienced the knowledge of good, you really dont want to experience the knowledge of bad.

Eve, is firsthand example of one who missed experiencing exclusively, the knowledge of Good. She was inconsolable upon facing up to experiencing more the knowledge of Evil twinned with knowledge of God. Even matter got worse, when God told her that her regret, the her feeling of deep distress caused by the loss, disappointment and reverse of fortune will not only be level raised, but also be multiplied.

BluntTheApostle:
Is that not the same as saying they couldn't really tell good from evil.

At the moment of time they were at, they didnt need to tell whats the difference between what's good and what's evil.

BluntTheApostle:
A baby does not know whether fire is good or bad. They become aware when they touch it or when they grow older and see examples of what fire can do.

Adam and Eve weren't babies, they were trusted and responsible grown up adults

BluntTheApostle:
Does God consider learning bad?

God is omniscient. God does not learn anything. Learning anything does not apply to God

BluntTheApostle:
Which supports the argument I have often had that the Creation Story did not happen for real. It is a myth. A Jewish myth.

Myth, ironically often have shades of hidden truth in them

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

UyaiIncomparabl:
God for just leave the world as e been dey. Nákedness for sweet die. No clothes. Nothing.
At least, I would not be stressing about how to change my wardrobe every time.

Also, we for fit dey sample our spec face to face without having to go through the bedroom route. E tire me sef.

That thought came to my mind today,
After watching one movie like that.

Was wondering if value of sexuality would be the same as it is in present world.

BluntTheApostle:
But, you admitted that God created evil.

You must be trying it on, because there is no evil in God, and God certainly doesnt create evil.

Evil flourishes in the absence of good. By default, evil would exist, where good has vacated.

When you switch off the light in a room, what happen? Did you create the darkness that appeared in the room after the light was switched off. Was the darkness about before the light got switched off. You get it now?

BluntTheApostle:
It means God planned good to be ephemeral.

God desired and planned to make copies of God

BluntTheApostle:
Why not create good which can never fail to exist at any one period in time?

It is because good, if you go re-read Genesis 1:26 and 28, you will see that '... good which can never fail to exist at any one period in time... ' continuum

Only God is Good. We, the intended copies, will on a daily basis gradual acquire the good quality(ies)

BluntTheApostle:
But who created evil?

Evil is an emergent phenomenon. Listen beloved, creating evil has no exclusivity about it because evil 'created' or evil emerging, can be as a result of a suppressed evil nature and also can be coming from a collective effort

Remember that I've earlier typed that, evil is the absence of good, and is just as same as, darkness is the absence of light

BluntTheApostle:
The Serpent was never allowed to talk. To defend himself.

I guffawed at this comment

Shows that the serpent really was that wise enough, to bite its slithering tongue, stopping itself from talking and keep it's mouth shut. Had done enough damage as it was, and probably knew, its best to keep it shut so not to make judgment worse by incurring the wrath of God more with getting a stiffer penalty

BluntTheApostle:
Was Adam really an adult in faculty?

Does one give a baby a herculean responsibility of classifying animals. Its not beans, doing something like that

BluntTheApostle:
He had not one single experience of punishment.

We all dont have experiences of all punishments, but we still remain existing as law abiding citizens in whatever country we are in

BluntTheApostle:
You think adulthood is merely having a fully formed body?

You must be nursing a myopic view of God, if you believe that God was careless, reckless and irresponsible for leaving A&E in centrally full glare open access to the TKGE.

BluntTheApostle:
Adam was without guile, and yet God allowed cunning Serpent, the master of deception, to roam free around him.

Such wisdom!! SMH.

Listen beloved, the true test of Adam's character is what he does when no one is watching (i.e. what he does when God vacates the scene, when God leaves and isnt watching)

BluntTheApostle:
What perculiar animal was it?

In its own right, the serpent was an animal, that was at the top of the food chain, before its demotion, talking of its reduction in rank and status.

BluntTheApostle:
I am a snake expert,

You might be a snake expert, but you certainly arent a serpent expert.

BluntTheApostle:
but I also do know that Eden was supposed to be perfect.

If Eden really was perfect, explain why Adam had to tend the garden. If it was perfect, why the need for Adam to dress and keep Eden. Huh?

BluntTheApostle:
So, no need for rodent control.

Oh oh, you know this then

BluntTheApostle:
SMH...

You choked on that easy, direct, simple, innocent, harmless and straightforward question

BluntTheApostle:
Good point. But, was punishing mankind to the uncounta ble generation the best way to rectify the wrong?

You certainly are oblivious that before Adam was created the best way to rectify Adam's wrong was already in place determined

BluntTheApostle:
Indeed, but that is no proof that he had knowledge of good and evil. Only that he probably was more obedient.

Have you realised yet, that being a good human being is something you do, not something, you are. Thats it about Adam, the bible never said Adam was good.

Beloved, what did Adam do when he thought he wasnt been watched?

BluntTheApostle:
Blind obedience is not intelligence, and is in fact, the exact opposite of intelligence.

Indeed.

Adam was intelligent, capable and equipped enough to query God, if anything about the command was unclear to him

BluntTheApostle:
By first placing generational curses?

I am getting the sense that you think you're cleverer than God. You reckon God did a half-formed, didnt think through completely plan.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

BluntTheApostle:
1. If God controls evil, then who is to blame for evil getting out of control? Should it not be God?
2. If God uses evil to accomplish his will, why does he then always repent that he made man?
3. If it were a perfect plan, the flood story wouldn't have happened.
4. Simply, if God had protected Adam more , the world would have been a better place.
5. My point is that since Adam did not choose to be created, why being harsh on him unduly. The man immediately learnt his lesson. His eyes immediately opened, and he was ashamed. This is an evidence of repentance. Why the harsh judgement over a first wrong?

1. Where is it written that evil got out of God's control? Instead what is written is that men were overly evil. You keep processing this from a warped point of view and that happens to be the major problem here.

2. Probably because man refuses to choose Him. Anyone would be wrought when there child or son chooses a different path than the preferred one. it is as simple as that.

3. There you go again assuming the flood story wasn't a part of the plan from the beginning.

4. Protected Adam from what exactly? the freedom to choose as he, Adam, wants? Come on now.....for the umpteenth time, God wanted men to have the freedom to choose between good and evil and that is exactly what exists even to this day. Freedom to either choose good or evil and the consequences that come with each choice.

5. Again, creation is not a choice that anyone of us was ever given so to argue that it should matter that Adam did not choose to be created is meaningless, and a waste of one's mental energy. Adam was given a choice between good and evil and he chose evil. He was well aware there was no going back on his choice - the Law of God was handed down to him -, and his choice was evil. There is no record of adam repenting or begging God for forgiveness in the almost 1000 years that followed, so I am not certain why you are going as far as to insert repentance on his part into the story.

In addition, God's judgment is final where His Law is concerned - there is no reversal of said Law for those who live under it. Adam was likely aware of this he is the one to whom God gave His Law, and he knew clearly the consequence to follow his choice yet he made the choice. He was not forced nor was he pushed. He made the choice for evil and accepted the consequence that followed.

interesting question.

LordReed:
Would you give a known pedophile with a penchant for prepubicent children unfettered access to your prepubicent children?

The question makes no sense in this case since Adam was created good from his beginning, and all that He was to do was to make a choice between good and evil.

And before you claim there was some sort of problem with his nature, Adam's own son faced a similar choice and he made a different choice than the one his father made. Of course, his brother chose as his father did.

NNTR:

but God is faithful [to His word—He is compassionate and trustworthy],
and He will not let you be tempted beyond your ability [to resist],
but along with the temptation He [has in the past and is now and] will [always] provide the way out as well,
so that you will be able to endure it [without yielding, and will overcome temptation with joy].[/i]'

If what you say is true. Why did Adam and Eve not pass the temptation?

Kobojunkie:
The question makes no sense in this case since Adam was created good from his beginning, and all that He was to do was to make a choice between good and evil.

And before you claim there was some sort of problem with his nature, Adam's own son faced a similar choice and he made a different choice than the one his father made. Of course, his brother chose as his father did.

LoLz! How does your answer make sense since you say some other person made the correct choice?

Can you now answer the question or are you going to perform another dodge?

LordReed:
LoLz! How does your answer make sense since you say some other person made the correct choice?

Can you now answer the question or are you going to perform another dodge?

correct choice?

The choice was between good and evil- obedience vs disobedience.

Adam made a choice for evil whereas Abel, his direct descendant made a different choice from that which Adam made meaning there was no problem as far as the nature of man or Adam. .

Kobojunkie:
correct choice?

The choice was between good and evil- obedience vs disobedience.

Adam made a choice for evil whereas Abel, his direct descendant made a different choice from that which Adam made meaning there was no problem as far as the nature of man or Adam. .

So now can you answer my question? You have already shown that your previous answer was an irrelevant dodge.

LordReed:
So now can you answer my question? You have already shown that your previous answer was an irrelevant dodge.

My previous answer still applies...

The question makes no sense in this case since Adam was created good from his beginning, and all that He was to do was to make a choice between good and evil.

And before you claim there was some sort of problem with his nature, Adam's own son faced a similar choice and he made a different choice than the one his father made. Of course, his brother chose as his father did.

correct choice?

Again....The choice was between good and evil- obedience vs disobedience.

Adam made a choice for evil whereas Abel, his direct descendant made a different choice from that which Adam made meaning there was no problem as far as the nature of man or Adam.

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Recall, man was created with ability to choose between good and evil. That was the design from the beginning and God certified Him good to go after His creation - nothing faulty.

Kobojunkie:
My previous answer still applies...

The question makes no sense in this case since Adam was created good from his beginning, and all that He was to do was to make a choice between good and evil.

And before you claim there was some sort of problem with his nature, Adam's own son faced a similar choice and he made a different choice than the one his father made. Of course, his brother chose as his father did.

correct choice?

Again....The choice was between good and evil- obedience vs disobedience.

Adam made a choice for evil whereas Abel, his direct descendant made a different choice from that which Adam made meaning there was no problem as far as the nature of man or Adam.

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Recall, man was created with ability to choose between good and evil. That was the design from the beginning and God certified Him good to go after His creation - nothing faulty.

And you your irrelevant dodge is of no consequence to my question.

Would you give a known pedophile with a penchant for prepubicent children unfettered access to your prepubicent children?

LordReed:
And you your irrelevant dodge is of no consequence to my question.

Would you give a known pedophile with a penchant for prepubicent children unfettered access to your prepubicent children?

Oh boy!

No, I would not!

Kobojunkie:
Oh boy!

No, I would not!

Wasn't that so simple?!

So why should we believe that the god would let the devil have access to the humans in the fabled garden? i guess you have higher standards than your god then.

LordReed:
Wasn't that so simple?!

So why should we believe that the god would let the devil have access to the humans in the fabled garden? i guess you have higher standards than your god then.

Your question, like your first, still doesn't make sense to me as far as the topic is concerned.

Recall that the choice set before Adam was between Good and Evil. So?

Again was presented with a choice...obedience (good) or disobedience(evil), and from the story, we know that Adam chose disobedience(evil).

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Kobojunkie:
Your question, like your first, still doesn't make sense to me as far as the topic is concerned.

Recall that the choice set before Adam was between Good and Evil. So?

Again was presented with a choice...obedience (good) or disobedience(evil), and from the story, we know that Adam chose disobedience(evil).

Maybe you don't understand what I am addressing. This should clue you in after a 2nd look:

LordReed:


So why should we believe that the god would let the devil have access to the humans in the fabled garden?