As humans, we're programmed to be "logical" in our thinking.
That's why we have atheists, agnostics and the likes, and that's
okay. It's very natural to be curious and want to make sense of everything, it's what makes us an intelligent life form, but you see, when it comes to God, something has got to give. I'm
learning that if you want to experience, find the truth, believe and understand God, just carry all your wisdom, intelligence & over sabi and just put it in a corner.
That "Wisdom" you're trying so hard to display, who made it
available to you?
That intelligence you're trying to prove, who bestowed it upon
you?
When it comes to the sovereignty of God, please discard "logic". All logic will do, is limit God's power over your situation. If you keep trying to make sense of everything, if you keep wondering how will it happen, where will it come from, who will he use, how is this even possible, you will never allow your mind to try and grasp the magnificence of God. You can never understand him without asking him to help you with his Holy spirit to understand the truth, his words and walk by it.
This is where faith comes in.
Stop trying to "help" God fix it. If you do, he will stand and watch
you do it, since you clearly know everything.
As hard as it might be to do, please TAKE THE LIMITS OFF and
watch him give you the spirit of understanding, calmness of mind and reasoning.

SeniorMan715:
As humans, we're programmed to be "logical" in our thinking.
That's why we have atheists, agnostics and the likes, and that's
okay. It's very natural to be curious and want to make sense of everything, it's what makes us an intelligent life form, but you see, when it comes to God, something has got to give. I'm
learning that if you want to experience, find the truth, believe and understand God, just carry all your wisdom, intelligence & over sabi and just put it in a corner. That "Wisdom" you're trying so hard to display, who made it available to you? That intelligence you're trying to prove, who bestowed it upon you?
When it comes to the sovereignty of God, please discard "logic".

Please stop this nonsense! The above mentality is nothing but BULLSHEET, a copout used by those mentality lazy and unwilling to reason the things of God carefully without first trying to subject it to their own private logic!

Consider instead what Logic is really about and how you claim about that which you understand of it. The dictionary defines Logic as follows:

log·ic
noun
1. reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity.
2. a system or set of principles underlying the arrangements of elements in a computer or electronic device so as to perform a specified task.

As it turns out, in scripture, God is quite Logical given His message to man is pretty much constructed in the form of a system or set of principles underlying the various relationships that can exist between Himself and mankind/men. And according to His message, it is only those who are able to logically reason according to His strict principles of validity that are able to have a successful relationship with Him.

SeniorMan715:
As humans, we're programmed to be "logical" in our thinking.
That's why we have atheists, agnostics and the likes, and that's
okay. It's very natural to be curious and want to make sense of everything, it's what makes us an intelligent life form, but you see, when it comes to God, something has got to give. I'm
learning that if you want to experience, find the truth, believe and understand God, just carry all your wisdom, intelligence & over sabi and just put it in a corner.
That "Wisdom" you're trying so hard to display, who made it
available to you?
That intelligence you're trying to prove, who bestowed it upon
you?
When it comes to the sovereignty of God, please discard "logic". All logic will do, is limit God's power over your situation. If you keep trying to make sense of everything, if you keep wondering how will it happen, where will it come from, who will he use, how is this even possible, you will never allow your mind to try and grasp the magnificence of God. You can never understand him without asking him to help you with his Holy spirit to understand the truth, his words and walk by it.
This is where faith comes in.
Stop trying to "help" God fix it. If you do, he will stand and watch
you do it, since you clearly know everything.
As hard as it might be to do, please TAKE THE LIMITS OFF and
watch him give you the spirit of understanding, calmness of mind and reasoning.

You learnt that in other to believe in the Jewish deity you need to adopt gullibility and allow your mind to be shaped by fables so that you can readily "hear" from a god who never speaks except in your mind or "see the finger" of a god that never does anything except that which you attribute to the deity.

It's all in your mind.

LordReed:


You learnt that in other to believe in the Jewish deity you need to adopt gullibility and allow your mind to be shaped by fables so that you can readily "hear" from a god who never speaks except in your mind or "see the finger" of a god that never does anything except that which you attribute to the deity.

It's all in your mind.

No Satan!

He learnt that in other to understand God, he tabulated all his sense and intelligence on one side while placing God's own views on the other side and compared them.

And he saw for himself that men's sense and intelligence was great stupidity and destruction.

That God of Abraham, Issac and Isreal was by far too much better and greater!

So Satan no customer for you!

SeniorMan715:
As humans, we're programmed to be "logical" in our thinking.

Humans are not programmed to be logical in our thinking at all. All human programming starts from when humans are born, and the programming one receives depends on those doing the programming.

In Nigeria we are actually programmed to believe what we are told without questioning, while the education system in say UK teaches one to question and critically consider things instead of just believing. And that is why UK has light, while Nigeria has NEPA.

budaatum:


Humans are not programmed to be logical in our thinking at all. All human programming starts from when humans are born, and the programming one receives depends on those doing the programming.

In Nigeria we are actually programmed to believe what we are told without questioning, while the education system in say UK teaches one to question and critically consider things instead of just believing. And that is why UK has light, while Nigeria has NEPA.

"teaches one to question" even when sometimes questioning was unnatural and unnecessary.

Anyway
"We each walk the path, that we've chosen" DMX and whatever we collect.

Dtruthspeaker:


No Satan!

He learnt that in other to understand God, he tabulated all his sense and intelligence on one side while placing God's own views on the other side and compared them.

And he saw for himself that men's sense and intelligence was great stupidity and destruction.

That God of Abraham, Issue and Isreal was by far too much better and greater!

So Satan no customer for you!

And where was the god giving these views? Wait, don't tell me, I know. From a book written by other men. LoLz.

It's human beings doing human things and that's what it has always been.

Dtruthspeaker:


"teaches one to question" even when sometimes questioning was unnatural and unnecessary.

DT, when is questioning "unnatural and unnecessary"?

Can you understand if you do not question?

budaatum:

DT, when is questioning "unnatural and unnecessary"?

Can you understand if you do not question?

That is why the word "Natural" is opposite to "unnatural". Nature rightly decides these things and it is not for men to dictate and decide this this.

Dtruthspeaker:


That is why the word "Natural" is opposite to "unnatural". Nature rightly decides these things and it is not for men to dictate and decide this this.

And how is one supposed to know what nature rightly decides if one does not do one's own research by asking questions?

LordReed:


And where was the god giving these views? Wait, don't tell me, I know. From a book written by other men. LoLz.

It's human beings doing human things and that's what it has always been.

we know very well human beings and all the things that they do/capable of doing and what/how they think for they have also taught us to do those same things and think in that very same pattern.

So, we all are experts in human thinkings and doings.

And here comes God and His Son, with His Thinkings as revealed to and through a selected few humans and Pow, We are now gifted a Thinking which even our professional human knowledgeable selves everywhere in the world, say they do not agree with them.

Therefore, we automatically and immediately know that even though some men wrote what is called the Bible, The Powerful Messages in them DID NOT EMANATE FROM THEM.

budaatum:


And how is one supposed to know what nature rightly decides if one does not do one's own research by asking questions?

Even without a child asking questions, we have many times seen in which direction Nature has set for a child eg a child who loves animals is likely to be an animal farmer or animal doctor. The child that likes to settle quarrels would naturally be a judge/lawyer etc.

And Nature decides these things.

SeniorMan715:
As humans, we're programmed to be "logical" in our thinking.

Let me blow your mind!

The book (Bible) written thousands of years ago by humans who knew nothing about technology says a lot that beats my intelligence!

I'll pick just one that relates to what you're saying here: God created planet earth and put humans with other creatures in it with the order that the humans (created in His image) should take charge of everything on the earth! Genesis 1:26

Then an intelligent spirit being possessed one of the creatures and use it as puppet to speak to the less experienced human known as Eve.

Now let's consider the conversation and see if there's any sense in it.

The serpent asked the woman if God restricted humans not to eat of any of the trees in the garden ~ are you free to do whatever you want without being checked?

The woman responded that from all the trees of the garden they can eat to satisfaction but as for the tree that's in the middle of the garden they must not eat otherwise we will die ~ we can do whatever we like but we mustn't think of setting standards for our fellowman because that will lead to disaster!

The serpent compelled the woman that eating of the forbidden tree won't cause anything it will even be to their advantage making them like God knowing the best standard instead of waiting for someone to always tell them how to deal with their neighbours ~ humans don't have to rely solely on God's standard they can think of their own!

So the woman accepted the offer and her man also joined her ever since then mankind has been trying different types of governments to see which will bring peace and security but till today no human government has succeeded in bringing peace rather it's security operatives we keep forming and crime kept increasing!

Well the same book later said God will establish His government on planet earth but before then He will arrange for a form of worship that will bring all obedient humans under one umbrella, they will use God's word to settle all their disparities, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, erased the making, buying, selling and usage of weapons from their hearts and vow never to raise weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:2-4

Today that organization is here, they're not using weapons to force themselves to obey God's standard, they have fulfilled that Bible verse wonderfully, their group name is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

Please ask the atheists if they've succeeded in making peace reign in any gathering without using weapons to intimidate themselves before compliance to simple rules!

Dtruthspeaker:


we know very well human beings and all the things that they do/capable of doing and what/how they think for they have also taught us to do those same things and think in that very same pattern.

So, we all are experts in human thinkings and doings.

And here comes God and His Son, with His Thinkings as revealed to and through a selected few humans and Pow, We are now gifted a Thinking which even our professional human knowledgeable selves everywhere in the world, say they do not agree with them.

Therefore, we automatically and immediately know that even though some men wrote what is called the Bible, The Powerful Messages in them DID NOT EMANATE FROM THEM.

Nope all written by men. Just a local spin on differing bits of ancient mythology which of course are the stories men told themselves to try to explain the world around them. No religious book has demonstrated any sort of capability that is beyond human capacity.

LordReed:


Nope all written by men. Just a local spin on differing bits of ancient mythology which of course are the stories men told themselves to try to explain the world around them. No religious book has demonstrated any sort of capability that is beyond human capacity.

We know the difference between what men can concoct/produce FROM THOSE THINGS WHICH IT IS BEYOND THE ABILITY OF ANY MAN TO PRODUCE.

WE KNOW THE DIFFERENCE!

Dtruthspeaker:


We know the difference between what men can concoct/produce FROM THOSE THINGS WHICH IT IS BEYOND THE ABILITY OF ANY MAN TO PRODUCE.

WE KNOW THE DIFFERENCE!

Sure, writing stories is well within what humans can do.

LordReed:


Sure, writing stories is well within what humans can do.

True! But we know what stories a human can write as different from those he can never ever write!

SeniorMan715:
1. You can never understand him without asking him to help you with his Holy spirit to understand the truth, his words and walk by it.
2. This is where faith comes in.
3. Stop trying to "help" God fix it. If you do, he will stand and watch you do it, since you clearly know everything. As hard as it might be to do, please TAKE THE LIMITS OFF and watch him give you the spirit of understanding, calmness of mind and reasoning.

1. By the way, the claim that one first needs to have the Holy Spirit in order to understand the Truth, and walk by it are yet another deceitful lie that you lot are fed by your pastors and mogs. What you call God's Truth comes in the form of basic instructions and commands which He then urges you to obey, that which even a child/toddler is able to process. God's promise to give His Holy Spirit aka the Spirit of Truth only belongs to those who through living in continuous submission to and obedience to His teaching and commandments, the Truth of God, have been set free from slavery to sin by the Truth of God. These are individuals who are holy enough to accept God's Holy Spirit who also happens to be the Spirit of Truth.

2. Faith, in the Gospel teachings of Jesus Christ refers to the living of one's life in continuous submission to and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ. It is not some exercise in mental gymnastics as many of you have been made to assume. The only way to honor God is through direct obedience to His commandments. You are told that without faith, it is impossible to please God. Guess what, it is impossible to please God without trusting and obeying Him - Obedience is the key when it comes to honoring or pleasing God.

3. Throughout His teachings, Jesus Christ made one thing abundantly clear, and that is that those who do not use the understanding they already have in obedience to God's very commandment, will have even the little understanding they once had taken away from them - Matthew 25 vs 29 & Matthew 13 vs 12 & Matthew 4 vs 22 - 24 & Luke 19 vs 26. God is waiting for you to act in obedience to His teachings and commandments to you in Jesus Christ, God's Law in the Kingdom of God.

Dtruthspeaker:

And Nature decides these things.

Nature decides these things for helpless you and your children you seem not to want to nurture or imbue with skills. That's how you and I differ, DT.

Me, I fill myself with lots of fruits of knowledge so that I can make informed choices and plot my own course in life, and I nourish my children with fruits of knowledge so their eyes too can be open and they too gain wisdom so they too can make informed decisions and make their own choices and plot their own paths in life too.

Waiting for nature to plot one's course for one is to me like watching the weather, and you must have heard that those who watch the weather never sow and those who sow not reap not.

Dtruthspeaker:


True! But we know what stories a human can write as different from those he can never ever write!

All the stories we know were written by humans.

LordReed:


All the stories we know were written by humans.

Now you are repeating yourself (Proof that you have nothing else to say ). And we know the one that can not come from a man

So, No Road!

budaatum:

Nature decides these things for helpless you and your children you seem not to want to nurture or imbue with skills. That's how you and I differ, DT.

Insult me all you want it does not change my very sweet living which Nature has led me to and brought to me fully filling all i wanted and desired from this world, up to the point where I do say, "i have a very good and sweet life" exactly as Written.

So I sing !
"Amazing grace, How sweet the words, that saved a helpless like me".

So, continue your aluta continuaness it's your food

"We each walk the path, that we've chosen" DMX and you alone consumes whatever you find there whether good or evil

Dtruthspeaker:


Now you are repeating yourself (Proof that you have nothing else to say ). And we know the one that can not come from a man

So, No Road!

LoLz. That's because that is the solid fact, all stories were thought of, told and written by humans.

LordReed:


LoLz. That's because that is the solid fact, all stories were thought of, told and written by humans.

And we know the one that can not come from a man

Dtruthspeaker:


And we know the one that can not come from a man

It was thought of, told and written by men.

LordReed:


It was thought of, told and written by men.

Look at the Jewish priest chanting rubbish in this movie scene that depicts “possession”. Our people would look at this and believe it to be effective and benevolent but a similar scene would be viewed as ineffective or malevolent.
The notion that this culture and their nonsense are special is probably the most absurd idea in the world. I blame the ancient Roman government.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uztZUqKrHVo

LordReed:


It was thought of, told and written by men.

E.g.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcion_of_Sinope
Teachings:
Study of the Hebrew scriptures, along with received writings circulating in the nascent Church, led Marcion to conclude that many of the teachings of Jesus were incompatible with the actions of Yahweh, characterized as the belligerent god of the Hebrew Bible. Marcion responded by developing a ditheistic system of belief around the year 144.[note 2] This notion of two gods—a higher transcendent one and a lower world-creator and ruler—allowed Marcion to reconcile his perceived contradictions between Christian Old Covenant theology and the Gospel message proclaimed by the New Testament.

In contrast to other leaders of the nascent Christian Church, however, Marcion declared that Christianity was in complete discontinuity with Judaism and entirely opposed to the scriptures of Judaism. Marcion did not claim that these were false. Instead, he asserted that they were entirely true, but were to be read in an absolutely literalistic manner, one which led him to develop an understanding that Yahweh was not the same God spoken of by Jesus. For example, Marcion argued that the Genesis account of Yahweh walking through the Garden of Eden asking where Adam was, proved that Yahweh inhabited a physical body and was without universal knowledge, attributes wholly incompatible with the Heavenly Father professed by Jesus.

LordReed:


It was thought of, told and written by men.

According to Marcion, the god of the Old Testament, whom he called the Demiurge, the creator of the material universe, is a jealous tribal deity of the Jews, whose law represents legalistic reciprocal justice and who punishes mankind for its sins through suffering and death. In contrast, the God that Jesus professed is an altogether different being, a universal God of compassion and love who looks upon humanity with benevolence and mercy. Marcion also produced a book titled Antitheses, which is no longer extant, contrasting the Demiurge of the Old Testament with the Heavenly Father of the New Testament.

Marcion held Jesus to be the son of the Heavenly Father but understood the incarnation in a docetic manner, i.e. that Jesus' body was only an imitation of a material body, and consequently denied Jesus' physical and bodily birth, death, and resurrection.

LordReed:


It was thought of, told and written by men.

Marcion was the first to codify a Christian canon. His canon consisted of only eleven books, grouped into two sections: the Evangelikon, a shorter version of the Gospel of Luke, and the Apostolikon, a selection of ten epistles of Paul the Apostle, which were also slightly shorter than the canonical text. Early Christians such as Irenaeus, Tertullian, and Epiphanius claimed that Marcion's editions of Luke and the Pauline epistles were intentionally edited by Marcion to match his theological views, and many modern scholars agree.[21] However, some scholars argue that Marcion's texts were not substantially edited by him, and may in some respects represent an earlier version of these texts than the canonical versions.[4][22][23][24] Like the Gospel of Mark, the gospel used by Marcion did not contain elements relating to Jesus' birth and childhood. Interestingly, it did contain some Jewish elements, and material that challenged Marcion's ditheism—a fact that was exploited by early Christians in their polemics against Marcion.[25]

LordReed:


It was thought of, told and written by men.

The centrality of the Pauline epistles in Marcion's canon reflects the fact that Marcion considered Paul to be the correct interpreter and transmitter of Jesus' teachings, in contrast to the Twelve Disciples and the early Jerusalem church.[5]

KnownUnknown, can you see from what you've posted how Genesis 1 God might not be Genesis 2 God?

budaatum:
KnownUnknown, can you see from what you've posted how Genesis 1 God might not be Genesis 2 God?

Do you see from what I have posted how Genesis 1 God, Genesis 2 God, Genesis 3 God, Genesis 4 God, Genesis ad infinitum God are nothing more than someone’s opinion?