sonmvayina:

It is about a suffering servant...Isaiah already told you who the servant is in 41:1-8.
There is no death or ressurection in the passage.
Verse 10 says " he shall see his offspring and the will of the lord shall prosper in his hands...
The suffering servant is Israel...

Never mind let others read, assimilate then we listen to their opinion.

It's about Jesus Christ of Nazareth!

Isaiah said:

"HE had done NO VIOLENCE, NEITHER WAS ANY DECEIT IN HIS MOUTH" Isaiah 53:9

You can't deceive anyone even if you choose to deceive yourself.

Jesus is the one and only person that befits this character so continue deceiving yourself that he was created by Rome!

MaxInDHouse:


Never mind let others read, assimilate then we listen to their opinion.

It's about Jesus Christ of Nazareth!

Isaiah said:

"HE had done NO VIOLENCE, NEITHER WAS ANY DECEIT IN HIS MOUTH" Isaiah 53:9

You can't deceive anyone even if you choose to deceive yourself.

Jesus is the one and only person that befits this character so continue deceiving yourself that he was created by Rome!

Read it again. There is no death or ressurection in the passage. .it is the king of the earth and God that is talking...not Isaiah. It is not a messianic prophesy...

sonmvayina:

Read it again. There is no death or ressurection in the passage. .it is the king of the earth and God that is talking...not Isaiah. It is not a messianic prophesy...

Death and resurrection is the result of what that prophesy implies!

If a man bears the errors of a multitude {:4} he was pierced, crushed and because of his wounds we were cured {:5} led like a sacrificial lamb to be slaughtered without making any defense to rescue his own soul {:7}

Ọmọ what else do you need to agree that that is a SACRIFICIAL DEATH for the errors of others?

Well each time you argue this i just see you as an arrogant fellow who feels like imposing his erroneous teachings on others even when it's clear to everyone that you're wrong!

MaxInDHouse:


When a JW talks about the Bible try to learn it will benefit you greatly!

Before i comment on your question read what Isaiah wrote here, meditate thoroughly then try to find out the meaning of the scripture:

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. Isaiah 53:6:10

The general consensus amomgs Jewish scholars and rabbinic priests, who should understand that passage more than your JW group, is that the suffering servant refers to the nation of Israel

And they have all explained for us that the ,"he" , in that passage collectively refers to the nation of Israel, and not just a single individual.

That passage , together with the one before and after it, is replete with a lot of figurative expressions which your group have interpreted wrongly.


The people of Israel have no reason to expect a Messiah to die as a sacrifice for their sin, since they already know that their god detest human sacrifice.



No judaist anywhere is expecting a Messiah that would come and die as a sacrifice for anything

You're joking if you think you understand their religion more than them.

triplechoice:

The general consensus amomgs Jewish scholars and rabbinic priests, who should understand that passage more than your JW group, is that the suffering servant refers to the nation of Israel And they have all explained for us that the ,"he" , in that passage collectively refers to the nation of Israel, and not just a single individual. That passage , together with the one before and after it, is replete with a lot of figurative expressions which your group have interpreted wrongly.
The people of Israel have no reason to expect a Messiah to die as a sacrifice for their sin, since they already know that their god detest human sacrifice. No judaist anywhere is expecting a Messiah that would come and die as a sacrifice for anything
You're joking if you think you understand their religion more than them.

Let them unite/agree in their understanding first then we will believe they know better than us! Luke 11:23

MaxInDHouse:


Let them unite/agree in their understanding first then we will believe they know better than us! Luke 11:23

The messages in that passage was meant for the people of Israel whose major religion is Judaism.

You're a Christian and so not in a position to interpret anything for them or anyone else.

Judaism and christianity are not the same religion.

Preceding chapters makes it clear that the "servant" is Israel. You have been deceived

MaxInDHouse:


Death and resurrection is the result of what that prophesy implies!

If a man bears the errors of a multitude {:4} he was pierced, crushed and because of his wounds we were cured {:5} led like a sacrificial lamb to be slaughtered without making any defense to rescue his own soul {:7}

Ọmọ what else do you need to agree that that is a SACRIFICIAL DEATH for the errors of others?

Well each time you argue this i just see you as an arrogant fellow who feels like imposing his erroneous teachings on others even when it's clear to everyone that you're wrong!

Maxindhouse it is not a messianic prophesy..

Just listen...

It is what the kings of the earth would say when they discovered that Israel is right all along..

sonmvayina:


Huhhh?
Are you ok? Or you need help..

Imaginary friend kwa

Ask your imaginary friend.

KnownUnknown:


Ask your imaginary friend.

You do need help..

Please see a psychiatrist,

I will pay for it.....this is the second time am offering to help...

Nah for daytime them they look for black goat oh..

sonmvayina:


You do need help..

Please see a psychiatrist,

I will pay for it.....this is the second time am offering to help...

Nah for daytime them they look for black goat oh..

Tell your imaginary friend to pay for it.

KnownUnknown:


Tell your imaginary friend to pay for it.

I will pay for it...

You are not well at all...

Jokes apart....

Tell somebody you trust to send Aza...

sonmvayina:


I will pay for it...

You are not well at all...

Jokes apart....

Send Aza

Your money is no good. Send your imaginary friend.

sonmvayina:

Maxindhouse it is not a messianic prophesy..
Just listen...
It is what the kings of the earth would say when they discovered that Israel is right all along..

Good!

So preach what you know while i preach what i know!

MaxInDHouse:


Good!

So preach what you know while i preach what i know!

You are not preaching what you know but preaching what you are told to preach to the gullible ones!

MindHacker9009:

You are not preaching what you know but preaching what you are told to preach to the gullible ones!

And the gullible ones have agreed to settle all their racial disparities among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, erased the making buying selling and usage of weapons in their hearts and vowed never to raise weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

How loving and merciful this planet will be if everyone decides to be as gullible as those accepting my preaching? Isaiah 54:17

Perhaps you too can tell us the POSITIVE RESULT of your preaching as you're gaining the hearts of those who aren't GULLIBLE!

MaxInDHouse:


And the gullible ones have agreed to settle all their racial disparities among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, erased the making buying selling and usage of weapons in their hearts and vowed never to raise weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

How loving and merciful this planet will be if everyone decides to be as gullible as those accepting my preaching? Isaiah 54:17

Perhaps you too can tell us the POSITIVE RESULT of your preaching as you're gaining the hearts of those who aren't GULLIBLE!

Gullible ones are having a happy family and leaving violent ways and refusing to kill. They also have a close friendship with God

Those he says are not gullible, let him tell us what good they have accomplished to society and family

Aemmyjah:


Gullible ones are having a happy family and leaving violent ways and refusing to kill. They also have a close friendship with God

Those he says are not gullible, let him tell us what good they have accomplished to society and family

But it is founded on a false ideology....a lie .

Of what use is it?

What is the benefit of being in a peaceful group that worships an idol rather than being by yourself and keeping and obeying all God's commandments.,..

Aemmyjah:

Gullible ones are having a happy family and leaving violent ways and refusing to kill. They also have a close friendship with God
Those he says are not gullible, let him tell us what good they have accomplished to society and family

When people wants to sound stupid they will shun reasonableness and embrace nonsense!

sonmvayina:

But it is founded on a false ideology....a lie .
Of what use is it?
What is the benefit of being in a peaceful group that worships an idol rather than being by yourself and keeping and obeying all God's commandments.,..

If you're not stupid how can a rotten tree bear good fruit? Matthew 7:16-18

MaxInDHouse:


If you're not stupid how can a rotten tree bear good fruit? Matthew 7:16-18

Stupidity is when the slave trade is turned to a fake religious story and the likes of you are used as tools to preach such a fake story. If you study history you will know about Roman occupation of Isreal at the time of your fake messaih that could not save his people from Roman occupation and slavery of the Jews

MindHacker9009:

Stupidity is when the slave trade is turned to a fake religious story and the likes of you are used as tools to preach such a fake story. If you study history you will know about Roman occupation of Isreal at the time of your fake messaih that could not save his people from Roman occupation and slavery of the Jews

Please of what good is history to me when i'm seeing a global family of peace loving worshipers already established?
Ọmọ such history is as good as garbage!

MaxInDHouse:

Please of what good is history to me when i'm seeing a global family of peace loving worshipers already established?
Ọmọ such history is as good as garbage!

That peace is religious opium, even the FAKE Jesus Christ created by the Romans you are preaching said “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34.

Only GOD Himself can give peace and not the FAKE peace you keep talking about that after it clears from your followers they then find it hard to believe they have been so gullible.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE3zp9FiyiQ

MindHacker9009:


That peace is religious opium, even the FAKE Jesus Christ created by the Romans you are preaching said “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34.

Only GOD Himself can give peace and not the FAKE peace you keep talking about that after it clears from your followers they then find it hard to believe they have been so gullible.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE3zp9FiyiQ

YES! Jesus never brought the type of impossible peace the world do promise those who aren't in submission to the same line of thought {John 14:27} but among people of goodwill there will be peace due to the presence of Christ Jesus of Nazareth! Luke 2:14

So present people of goodwill among whom peace reigns!

WE HAD THE COVENANT IN 3 PHASES.

1, THAT ADAM AND EVE MUST NOT EAT OF THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT. THEY DISOBEYED, ATE AND DIED.

2, THE TWELVE COMMANDMENTS GIVEN TO MOSES. ONLY FEW UNDERSTOOD THEM AND PRACTISED THEM.

3, THE AND THE LAST IS JESUS CHRIST, "LOVE YOURSELVES AS YOURSELVES".

MaxInDHouse:


YES! Jesus never brought the type of impossible peace the world do promise those who aren't in submission to the same line of thought {John 14:27} but among people of goodwill there will be peace due to the presence of Christ Jesus of Nazareth! Luke 2:14

So present people of goodwill among whom peace reigns!

If the TRUE PEACE of GOD is in your organisation then the people in the video who left would not have being protesting against that religious opium you call peace


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE3zp9FiyiQ

MindHacker9009:

If the TRUE PEACE of GOD is in your organisation then the people in the video who left would not have being protesting against that religious opium you call peace

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE3zp9FiyiQ

How many people joined Noah in the Ark?

For your information friends of peace are not easy to find!

MaxInDHouse:


How many people joined Noah in the Ark?

For your information friends of peace are not easy to find!

Let him mention any group of people that have such peace or what peace politics and science have brought into the world

Aemmyjah:

Let him mention any group of people that have such peace or what peace politics and science have brought into the world

He's expecting God to come and force PEACE on haters of peace, that's why i asked him if God has ever forced PEACE on any generation that shun it!

MaxInDHouse:


He's expecting God to come and force PEACE on haters of peace, that's why i asked him if God has ever forced PEACE on any generation that shun it!

He wants the ones political parties are promising as well as technology

The one Jehovah who will never lie is what we are eagerly awaiting, 'the abundance of peace where the righteous will have exquisite delight'.

Aemmyjah:

He wants the ones political parties are promising as well as technology
The one Jehovah who will never lie is what we are eagerly awaiting, 'the abundance of peace where the righteous will have exquisite delight'.

When we knock on their door to TEACH them Jehovah's ways they gnash their teeth at us but Christ has comforted us that it's not us they rejected but him and his father!

JEHOVAH knows the best {Isaiah 55:8-9} when it comes to establishing PEACE He didn't destroy Satan, Adam and Eve immediately.

WHY?

Because that's not a wise thing to do. Other angels are watching how JEHOVAH will handle the situation. If He takes any drastic step they will not be fully convinced that Satan wasn't raising what can't work so JEHOVAH patiently allowed time so that both Satan and all the other angels can see for themselves that man can't successfully direct his own step {Jeremiah 10:23} talkless directing the step (ruling) of his fellowman! Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9


So we know our God too well that before He could justifiably establish peace on this planet all those on the side of peace must have proved to be peaceful in their dealings first {Exodus 14:14} but faithless people thought He will just come and force it down their throat so they're not willing to trust His peace movement {Isaiah 30:15} established by His only begotten Son Jesus Christ who is the prince of peace! Isaiah 9:6

MaxInDHouse:


How many people joined Noah in the Ark?

For your information friends of peace are not easy to find!

How many of those that joined Noah in the Ark complained of a fake peace in the Ark, like those who joined your organisation are now protesting they got a fake peace you sold to them to join

MindHacker9009:

How many of those that joined Noah in the Ark complained of a fake peace in the Ark, like those who joined your organisation are now protesting they got a fake peace you sold to them to join

The Ark is physical the organization is spiritual so only friends of peace could find peace inside while enemies of peace takes their leave!