jaephoenix:

1.Youre just going round and round, and you still landed on the fact yahweh hardened his heart
2. He did send them incurable disease which might have softened Pharaoh's heart but yahweh still hardened his heart

The story was written in Hebrew an ancient language spoken by Abraham, it's like in my own language an adage says:

"Ìwọ la rí báwí, ìwọ la rí báwí, ìwọ tóo gun aya wọn tóò gùn'yá wọn ìwọ la rí báwí."

If interpreted literally:
"You should be blame, you should be blamed! Why mate with their wives but failed to rape their mothers? You are to blame"

The indepth meaning:
When two persons are at loggerhead over an issue our people will sing this song for the one whom they know is stronger but handling matters mildly. So this is the real meaning:

"You are the one giving him the impetus to resist because you failed to threaten his very existence"

That's what Jehovah didn't do to Pharaoh but when the king's hier died with all the security guards in the palace unable to stop the killer.
That's when Pharaoh realized that the one who passed through all his security and killed his son inside the palace can equally kill him without anyone stopping the killer so he surrendered!

jaephoenix:

No, the punishment isn't death. Maybe you need to reread your story book

"But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die.” Genesis 2:17

When i said "it's not the book that you people studied but your pastors interpretation" you guys will say you actually studied the Bible.

Oya tell me how certainty of death means something else, perhaps you should contact a real scientist to tell you the meaning of the word "DEATH"

jaephoenix:

1. Can you quote in your storybook where excreta ointment was used as medicine?

God ordered his own people to bury excreta but if you make a research on what so called advanced nation (that were respected back then as SCIENTISTS) does with excreta you will respect God's word today!
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjr_LqJg_H7AhUJRKQEHT8SAswQFnoECD4QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ancientmedicine.org%2Fhome%2F2019%2F4%2F23%2Fcures-from-poop&usg=AOvVaw2XQUHN6uUD8qOmXEICmnzf

jaephoenix:

2. I want to believe you finished kindergarten(at least) because it was there we were taught the difference between spheres and circles. Isaiah called the earth a circle, not a sphere. Besides the earth isn't spherical

Now this is where science failed woefully! You supposed to know that during the time Moses penned down those words anything with a round shape (no matter how it looks) is called "round" because humans haven't advanced to the point of having a name for all shapes so for the recipients of the message to grasp what the author had in mind He (God) used the word they can understand "ROUND"

jaephoenix:

3. Same storybook said the sun stood still? Is that scientific?

As a scientist you should know better that it wasn't the sun that stood still rather it was the earth that stopped rotating but from the point of view of those ancient men it was the sun (which they often thought is moving) that stood still!
Your problem is reading but failure to reason because what we know today surpasses that of those people back then. So if you're truly reasonable you supposed to put yourself in their shoes remember that everything you know today were discovered by others who penned those info in books so back then it's the available information they were acting upon!

NO.
BECAUSE SCIENCE AND MONEY ARE PRODUCTS OF SPIRITOLOGY(PNEUMATOLOGY).

MaxInDHouse:


"But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die.” Genesis 2:17

When i said "it's not the book that you people studied but your pastors interpretation" you guys will say you actually studied the Bible.

Oya tell me how certainty of death means something else, perhaps you should contact a real scientist to tell you the meaning of the word "DEATH"

Well, they ate it and were alive. You can't tell me nothing about 'spiritual death'. If your story book decides to speak in riddles then it should point out where the riddles and parables started and stopped

MaxInDHouse:

God ordered his own people to bury excreta but if you make a research on what so called advanced nation (that were respected back then as SCIENTISTS) does with excreta you will respect God's word today!
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjr_LqJg_H7AhUJRKQEHT8SAswQFnoECD4QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ancientmedicine.org%2Fhome%2F2019%2F4%2F23%2Fcures-from-poop&usg=AOvVaw2XQUHN6uUD8qOmXEICmnzf

Now this is where science failed woefully! You supposed to know that during the time Moses penned down those words anything with a round shape (no matter how it looks) is called "round" because humans haven't advanced to the point of having a name for all shapes so for the recipients of the message to grasp what the author had in mind He (God) used the word they can understand "ROUND"

As a scientist you should know better that it wasn't the sun that stood still rather it was the earth that stopped rotating but from the point of view of those ancient men it was the sun (which they often thought is moving) that stood still!
Your problem is reading but failure to reason because what we know today surpasses that of those people back then. So if you're truly reasonable you supposed to put yourself in their shoes remember that everything you know today were discovered by others who penned those info in books so back then it's the available information they were acting upon!

1. No sire. Your god isn't a scientist or failed woefully in his science class. For he instructed his people to eat feces

Ezekiel 4:12
And you shall eat it as a barley cake, baking it in their sight on human dung.”
2 Kings 6:25
And there was a great famine in Samaria, as they besieged it, until a donkey's head was sold for eighty shekels of silver, and the fourth part of a kab of dove's dung for five shekels of silver


2. Youre blaming science for the ignorance of the bible writers? Really? Shapes of objects have been known since the ancient days, yet your goat herders who didn't know the difference between circle and sphere. By the way, I thought your storybook was divinely inspired, so how come such ignorant post(and many other daft points) were made there? Couldn't your yahweh have made stuff clear being an all-knowing entity?

3. Again youre blaming science for the ignorance of your 'divinely inspired goat herders'. It clearly wrote that the sun stood still. Stop defending rubbish

orisa37:
NO.
BECAUSE SCIENCE AND MONEY ARE PRODUCTS OF SPIRITOLOGY(PNEUMATOLOGY).

Oh really? Science is spiritology? Lol. These guys are cute

jaephoenix:

Well, they ate it and were alive. You can't tell me nothing about 'spiritual death'. If your story book decides to speak in riddles then it should point out where the riddles and parables started and stopped

well said

jaephoenix:

1. Can you quote in your storybook where excreta ointment was used as medicine?
2. I want to believe you finished kindergarten(at least) because it was there we were taught the difference between spheres and circles. Isaiah called the earth a circle, not a sphere. Besides the earth isn't spherical
3. Same storybook said the sun stood still? Is that scientific?

In your earlier comments, Jehovah did not harden the heart of Pharoah
That cited verse has now been well understood especially as we check the meaning in the Hebrew scriptures. A more accurate reading is that, Jehovah ALLOWED the heart of that arrogant and wicked king to be hardened

1. You are talking nonsense

2. Some translations use round, some use spherical and some use circle. The basic and easily understood shape of the earth is round. Shameless, you earlier said the Bible said the earth is flat but you have seen it says round. You are tormented and sad cos you hate that. You talk something else. In basic terms, the earth is round. Mr Doctor

3. The Bible writer was not a scientist. He wrote things based on how it happened from his standpoint. In other words, when they expected sunset and darkness, the sun appeared to stand still or it continued to give its light. Today too, we say things like sun rise and sun set but the sun does not really rise or set. We also say that 'open the window, let the sun come in' as if we expected the sun to come right it.
Unlike other books, if you read the Bible with reversed wisdom, you'll find fault with it. The Bible is to be enjoyed by humans and not apes

orisa37:
NO. BECAUSE SCIENCE AND MONEY ARE PRODUCTS OF SPIRITOLOGY(PNEUMATOLOGY).

Aemmyjah:


In your earlier comments, Jehovah did not harden the heart of Pharoah
That cited verse has now been well understood especially as we check the meaning in the Hebrew scriptures. A more accurate reading is that, Jehovah ALLOWED the heart of that arrogant and wicked king to be hardened

1. You are talking nonsense

2. Some translations use round, some use spherical and some use circle. The basic and easily understood shape of the earth is round. Shameless, you earlier said the Bible said the earth is flat but you have seen it says round. You are tormented and sad cos you hate that. You talk something else. In basic terms, the earth is round. Mr Doctor

3. The Bible writer was not a scientist. He wrote things based on how it happened from his standpoint. In other words, when they expected sunset and darkness, the sun appeared to stand still or it continued to give its light. Today too, we say things like sun rise and sun set but the sun does not really rise or set. We also say that 'open the window, let the sun come in' as if we expected the sun to come right it.
Unlike other books, if you read the Bible with reversed wisdom, you'll find fault with it. The Bible is to be enjoyed by humans and not apes

1. This is what Exodus 9:12 said
But the LORD hardened Pharaoh’s heart and he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the LORD had said to Moses
I don't know how y'all theists try to twist and turn the Bible. It is what it is. Your god is a certified sadist

2. Please can you drop the translations that said spherical. I'll wait
3. So from telling us that the Bible is ahead of its time, that it predicts scientific stuff before scientists even discover it, you have landed to 'the writer of the Bible is not a scientist'. Are you looking at yourself?

jaephoenix:

1. No sire. Your god isn't a scientist or failed woefully in his science class. For he instructed his people to eat feces

Ezekiel 4:12
And you shall eat it as a barley cake, baking it in their sight on human dung.”
2 Kings 6:25
And there was a great famine in Samaria, as they besieged it, until a donkey's head was sold for eighty shekels of silver, and the fourth part of a kab of dove's dung for five shekels of silver

You're missing out again!
The Israelites in Samaria have turned to pagans so what you quoted was a CURSE to them not a GUIDE!

jaephoenix:

2. Youre blaming science for the ignorance of the bible writers? Really? Shapes of objects have been known since the ancient days, yet your goat herders who didn't know the difference between circle and sphere. By the way, I thought your storybook was divinely inspired, so how come such ignorant post(and many other daft points) were made there? Couldn't your yahweh have made stuff clear being an all-knowing entity?

Funny atheist!
So instead of allowing time you felt a toddler should be taught what belongs to professors, shey?
Why do you think the educational systems is planned to take gradual process?
Well God can't tell people what they're to call different shapes because it was Adam that named all the Animals {Genesis 2:19} He God gave earth to mankind {Psalms 115:16 so the name they chose for whatever is found on it is their business!

jaephoenix:

3. Again youre blaming science for the ignorance of your 'divinely inspired goat herders'. It clearly wrote that the sun stood still. Stop defending rubbish

That's the understanding of witnesses that were at that event so it took mankind centuries to discover that it was actually the earth that was rotating while the sun is stationed.
So stop thinking backwards because all what we know today about the earth, planets and solar system is just as God wants us to know with gradual process! Ecclesiastes 3:11

You don't need the Bible quotes, leave them for interested followers who may like to know how the GREATEST SCIENTIST planned His WORKS!

jaephoenix:

1. This is what Exodus 9:12 said
But the LORD hardened Pharaoh’s heart and he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the LORD had said to Moses
I don't know how y'all theists try to twist and turn the Bible. It is what it is. Your god is a certified sadist

2. Please can you drop the translations that said spherical. I'll wait
3. So from telling us that the Bible is ahead of its time, that it predicts scientific stuff before scientists even discover it, you have landed to 'the writer of the Bible is not a scientist'. Are you looking at yourself?

Yes, he was not a scientist
All Bible writers acted as secretaries as God inspired them

Was Moses there when the earth was created?


(Exodus 9:12) 12 But Jehovah allowed Pharʹaoh’s heart to become obstinate, and he did not listen to them, just as Jehovah had told Moses.

God does not take away the freewill of others, you look for poor translation to fit your blindness against bible

Why not go and look for such translation.
You said the Bible teaches that earth is flat
I showed you that it actually says it is round or circular
You said the earth is not actually a circle

Keep blinding yourself to make a fool of you
Mr Doctor

The Curse on ADAM is extended to Mechanised farming and Agricultural Science. The Sufferings include Covid19 from CHINA and PUTIN'S madness with UKRAINE
TODAY BIDEN REJOICES WITH SIGNING SAMESEX AND INTERNATIONAL MARRIAGES. THAT MAY BE ARTS OR SCIENCE TO YOU. BUT IT IS A SPIRITUAL CURSE FROM THE LORDGOD.
WE ARE ALL DEAD ON EARTH GROPING IN SINS GALORE. ONLY VERY FEW OF US WILL MAKE HEAVEN.

TINUBU'S CAMPAIGN IN KADUNA. HE HAS A LIST OF THOSE HE THREATENS TO ELIMINATE IN A GESTAPO STYLE WHEN HE WINS THE ELECTION. IGP HEARD THAT AND NO EFFORT TO ARREST TINUBU AND HIS URCHINS.

orisa37:
The Curse on ADAM is extended to Mechanised farming and Agricultural Science. The Sufferings include Covid19 from CHINA and PUTIN'S madness with UKRAINE
TODAY BIDEN REJOICES WITH SIGNING SAMESEX AND INTERNATIONAL MARRIAGES. THAT MAY BE ARTS OR SCIENCE TO YOU. BUT IT IS A SPIRITUAL CURSE FROM THE LORDGOD.
WE ARE ALL DEAD ON EARTH GROPING IN SINS GALORE. ONLY VERY FEW OF US WILL MAKE HEAVEN.

TINUBU'S CAMPAIGN IN KADUNA. HE HAS A LIST OF THOSE HE THREATENS TO ELIMINATE IN A GESTAPO STYLE WHEN HE WINS THE ELECTION. IGP HEARD THAT AND NO EFFORT TO ARREST TINUBU AND HIS URCHINS.

From orunto27.

MaxInDHouse:

You're missing out again!
The Israelites in Samaria have turned to pagans so what you quoted was a CURSE to them not a GUIDE!


Funny atheist!
So instead of allowing time you felt a toddler should be taught what belongs to professors, shey?
Why do you think the educational systems is planned to take gradual process?
Well God can't tell people what they're to call different shapes because it was Adam that named all the Animals {Genesis 2:19} He God gave earth to mankind {Psalms 115:16 so the name they chose for whatever is found on it is their business!

That's the understanding of witnesses that were at that event so it took mankind centuries to discover that it was actually the earth that was rotating while the sun is stationed.
So stop thinking backwards because all what we know today about the earth, planets and solar system is just as God wants us to know with gradual process! Ecclesiastes 3:11

You don't need the Bible quotes, leave them for interested followers who may like to know how the GREATEST SCIENTIST planned His WORKS!

In one breath, you guys tout the Bible as a scientific book that is ahead of its time that explained geographical and biological events like rain formation etc. In the next breath, you go 'God can't tell people what to call shapes' and 'Why do you think the educational systems is planned to take gradual process'
Do you guys think we're cretards?

Aemmyjah:


Yes, he was not a scientist
All Bible writers acted as secretaries as God inspired them

Was Moses there when the earth was created?


(Exodus 9:12) 12 But Jehovah allowed Pharʹaoh’s heart to become obstinate, and he did not listen to them, just as Jehovah had told Moses.

God does not take away the freewill of others, you look for poor translation to fit your blindness against bible

Why not go and look for such translation.
You said the Bible teaches that earth is flat
I showed you that it actually says it is round or circular
You said the earth is not actually a circle

Keep blinding yourself to make a fool of you
Mr Doctor

1. So since they acted as god secretaries, how come there are just too many gaffes, errors and contradictions in your story book? Does your yhwh have senile dementia or PTSD?

2. So I took time to go through all the translations in the Bible of that particular verse(including the translation y'all clowns use), all 27 of them. And all of them said god hardened the poor Pharaoh's heart.
https://biblehub.com/exodus/9-12.htm
So who's lying?

orisa37:
The Curse on ADAM is extended to Mechanised farming and Agricultural Science. The Sufferings include Covid19 from CHINA and PUTIN'S madness with UKRAINE
TODAY BIDEN REJOICES WITH SIGNING SAMESEX AND INTERNATIONAL MARRIAGES. THAT MAY BE ARTS OR SCIENCE TO YOU. BUT IT IS A SPIRITUAL CURSE FROM THE LORDGOD.
WE ARE ALL DEAD ON EARTH GROPING IN SINS GALORE. ONLY VERY FEW OF US WILL MAKE HEAVEN.

TINUBU'S CAMPAIGN IN KADUNA. HE HAS A LIST OF THOSE HE THREATENS TO ELIMINATE IN A GESTAPO STYLE WHEN HE WINS THE ELECTION. IGP HEARD THAT AND NO EFFORT TO ARREST TINUBU AND HIS URCHINS.

When are you gonna stop smoking weed? Youre cracking me up

CRACK MORE.
THE CURSE OF ADAM COVERS
GOD'S LIGHT IN ADAM,
GOD'S GOODNESS IN ADAM AND
GOD'S LIFE IN ADAM.

LIGHT IS ARTS. GOODNESS IS PROGRESS.
LIFE IS FEELING, THINKING, REASONING, ACTIONS, INTERACTIONS AND MOVEMENTS.

OF THE 3 DESCRIPTIONS, ONLY LIFE IS SCIENCE REQUIRING MONEY TO EXECUTE. SCIENCE IS FEELING, THINKING, REASONING , ACTIONS, INTERACTIONS AND MOVEMENTS.

THE CURSE IS THEREFORE NOT INCONSEQUENTIAL BECAUSE THE LIGHT AND GOODNESS OF GOD IN ADAM REMAIN INTACT IN HIS SPIRIT AND IN THE CURSE DESPITE HIS LIFE, THE UNDERSTANDING OF SCIENCE.

jaephoenix:

1. So since they acted as god secretaries, how come there are just too many gaffes, errors and contradictions in your story book? Does your yhwh have senile dementia or PTSD?

2. So I took time to go through all the translations in the Bible of that particular verse(including the translation y'all clowns use), all 27 of them. And all of them said god hardened the poor Pharaoh's heart.
https://biblehub.com/exodus/9-12.htm
So who's lying?

It's you Mr Apeman of a generation of apes that has PTSD

jaephoenix:

1. So since they acted as god secretaries, how come there are just too many gaffes, errors and contradictions in your story book? Does your yhwh have senile dementia or PTSD?

2. So I took time to go through all the translations in the Bible of that particular verse(including the translation y'all clowns use), all 27 of them. And all of them said god hardened the poor Pharaoh's heart.
https://biblehub.com/exodus/9-12.htm
So who's lying?

Only a fool like you believes man evolved from animal or diversity of life forms began from the evolution of bacteria

jaephoenix:

In one breath, you guys tout the Bible as a scientific book that is ahead of its time that explained geographical and biological events like rain formation etc. In the next breath, you go 'God can't tell people what to call shapes' and 'Why do you think the educational systems is planned to take gradual process'
Do you guys think we're cretards?

Learning shouldn't be rushed, it should be a slow and steady process. God never planned that man should expire so we could have all eternity to continue discovering one thing after another {Ecclesiastes 3:11} that's what makes the learning process interesting!

FAITH IN THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE OF CHRIST JESUS INPUTS
THE POWER, MIGHT, KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY.

Wilgrea7:
I've said it before, that the Christian God has one of the worst damage control measures to ever exist.

It's evidently clear that the human condition is much better now than it was about 10,000 years ago.

You can leave your house without the fear of being mauled by a bear, or a pack of lions. Diseases like that would instantly mean death in the past are pretty much way easier to treat today, or downright non-existent.

Meanwhile, the one thing the Christian God claimed to solve, which is sin, still runs rampant today. Both the "saved" and the "unsaved" experience life in the same, or similar ways. His followers have to give themselves hope based on a second coming that never happens.

And ironically, the nations that are the most riddled with poverty and disease, and strife, tend to be the most religious ones. The ones that still hold on to their book in hopes of a miracle that never happens.

If you know the awakening to the truth of Jesus Christ that is taking place all around the world, you will humble yourself and repent. The world government and economies and both human social behavior is heading for the ice.

2elliot:
If you know the awakening to the truth of Jesus Christ that is taking place all around the world, you will humble yourself and repent. The world government and economies and both human social behavior is heading for the ice.

tell us so we can humble ourselves

Aemmyjah:



It's you Mr Apeman of a generation of apes that has PTSD

Lol. What an enlightening answer.

Aemmyjah:


Only a fool like you believes man evolved from animal or diversity of life forms began from the evolution of bacteria

So you have gradually accepted your god is actually a bumbling old racist and sadistic killer. I like how you kept quiet about my answer and resorted to insults. Lol

MaxInDHouse:


Learning shouldn't be rushed, it should be a slow and steady process. God never planned that man should expire so we could have all eternity to continue discovering one thing after another {Ecclesiastes 3:11} that's what makes the learning process interesting!

What has this comment got to do with the discourse?

orisa37:
FAITH IN THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE OF CHRIST JESUS INPUTS
THE POWER, MIGHT, KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY.

Proof….

2elliot:
If you know the awakening to the truth of Jesus Christ that is taking place all around the world, you will humble yourself and repent. The world government and economies and both human social behavior is heading for the ice.

Oh, thanks for alerting us, bro

jaephoenix:

What has this comment got to do with the discourse?

SCIENCE belongs to humans in general not some APES that turned speakers all of a sudden. Science is to be understood gradually and that's God's plan!

jaephoenix:

So you have gradually accepted your god is actually a bumbling old racist and sadistic killer. I like how you kept quiet about my answer and resorted to insults. Lol

It's not
It's fact
If I say, I don't believe that Zeus was a real person or he ever existed. I won't argue with anyone who feels he never existed cos I can PROVE his INEXISTENCE to him
You can't prove that God does NOT exists but you want to resort to the Bible to point something you don't really understand

How fitting for someone who's from a family of apes
Apes don't know there is a creator, you don't believe there is a creator
Apes have no sense of purpose or meaning or think their existence have a meaning, they live for the moment based in instinct. Ape man like you who does not believe in the existence of a Creator will prove you're an Ape cos if there is no creator, your life and very existence here on earth is meaningless and by accident