Christistruth03:



Onikoyi is an Oba in his own Right

In the Eyes of Yorubas he is higher than Oba of Lagos because he has an Ife Crown

It is like calling the Olowu one of the highest Yoruba kings a Subject of the Alake of Egbamand

Moba and Ikoyi
has never been under the Oba of Lagos please don’t make that Mistake

Christistruth03:



Onikoyi is an Oba in his own Right

In the Eyes of Yorubas he is higher than Oba of Lagos because he has an Ife Crown

It is like calling the Olowu one of the highest Yoruba kings a Subject of the Alake of Egbamand

Moba and Ikoyi
has never been under the Oba of Lagos please don’t make that Mistake

Ologbo147:
because he wears an Ife crown does not mean he was not under the Oba of Lagos. It is not only the Yoruba people that have eyes. In the eyes of historians, in the eyes of the Europeans, The Onikoyi of ikoyi was an Idejo and a subordinate chief to the Oba of Lagos. The Oba of Lagos not Onikoyi ceded Lagos to the British in 1861, I don’t need to be told who is higher, I know

The material below is from your brother not me

According to the Benin law,the king is the sovereign owner of land, and as the territory was conquered by the Binis, it follows that during the conquest the king of Benin was the real owner,the control exercised by the chiefs under the Eleko or representative being exercised as part of the machinery of government and not in virtue of ownership. It might be for a considerable period prior to 1850, the control of the king of Benin had been been relaxed until it became little more than a formal and norminal overlordship, and that in this period, there had been a tendency on the part of the minor chiefs to arrogate to themselves powers to which constitutionally they had no claim. Including independent powers of control and management. There is a possibility of this, this is a point of view of the argument on who own Lagos

Ologbo147:
because he wears an Ife crown does not mean he was not under the Oba of Lagos. It is not only the Yoruba people that have eyes. In the eyes of historians, in the eyes of the Europeans, The Onikoyi of ikoyi was an Idejo and a subordinate chief to the Oba of Lagos. The Oba of Lagos not Onikoyi ceded Lagos to the British in 1861, I don’t need to be told who is higher, I know

The material below is from your brother not me

According to the Benin law,the king is the sovereign owner of land, and as the territory was conquered by the Binis, it follows that during the conquest the king of Benin was the real owner,the control exercised by the chiefs under the Eleko or representative being exercised as part of the machinery of government and not in virtue of ownership. It might be for a considerable period prior to 1850, the control of the king of Benin had been been relaxed until it became little more than a formal and norminal overlordship, and that in this period, there had been a tendency on the part of the minor chiefs to arrogate to themselves powers to which constitutionally they had no claim. Including independent powers of control and management. There is a possibility of this, this is a point of view of the argument on who own Lagos

Ghostwon8222:
@christistruth03

Don't you ever get tired of telling lies ?
I personally proved to you that Lagos was part of Benin empire! I brought a French text written by people who visited Lagos before colonization, when I left nairaland, you lied about the text and what its translation was. I had to come back and correct you, since then you no longer talk about that evidence and you just pretend it doesn't exist while you keep claiming something which has been proven to be false in the presence of your very eyes.

Christistruth03:



I don’t tell lies
I proved to you that Lagos was Yorubaland since Oduduwa’s time and that is what you find so painful

Ghostwon8222:

1) when was oduduwa born ?
2) show me a text written by a person who saw oduduwa

Edit. With you, one debates the same thing again and again, perhaps you have memory issues. How many times must one prove to you that you are wrong ?

Ghostwon8222:

1) when was oduduwa born ?
2) show me a text written by a person who saw oduduwa

Edit. With you, one debates the same thing again and again, perhaps you have memory issues. How many times must one prove to you that you are wrong ?

Christistruth03:




Oba of Benin owns no land in Lagos so he wasn’t Sovereign over it
and Lagos is not Edoland it is Aworiland and the Awori make the rules and the Laws
So we now agree that Bini never Conquered Lagos



Obalende is Under Oba of Lagos
Moba and Ikoyi are not
Onikoyi had Land at Obalende that was why he was an IdeJo Chief only at Isale Eko

But Moba and Ikoyi had absolutely nothing to do with the Oba of Lagos or Benin
The Ife Crown means the Onikoyi was installed there by the Ooni of Ife


Let me give you another Example Aare Oluyole was the King of Ibadan at the same time that he was Basorun of Oyo
That doesn’t mean the Ibadan were the rulers of Oyo or Vice Versa

But it was done for the Joint defence of Both Kindoms in the face of a common enemy in this case of Onikoyi and Oba of Lagos which was the king of Dahomey

It is like a NATO defence pact

The funniest thing is that the Oba of Benin understands all this Perfectly


Moba and Ikoyi were Ancient Yoruba Kingdoms in their own Rights

To put Moba or Ikoyi under Oba of Lagos is a huge Slap in the face and disrespect to
Moba and Yoruba People
You might as well claim that the Otun Ekiti People are under the Oba of Lagos which even you know is not true


When it comes to ownership of Lagos the Yorubas have more than all the Joker Cards

They own the entire Game

To God Almighty be all the Glory

Ologbo147:
You will certainly get a reply from me later today, you are a weakling and an insincere person, you will wait for someone to leave before typing the other seventy percent of your comments so that it would seem that the person agreed and left



It never said that the Benins invaded a fraction of Lagos

It seems to appear that it might have been there, but when the Oba of Lagos came onboard, the ikoyi came under the suzerainty of the oba of Lagos. [/b]Where dem share for isale Eko wey reach sixteen [b][/b]among Idejos. That material was succinct and precise. It talked about the fact that Lagos island and some adjoining mainland areas was under the Olofin and were shared among the Idejos for effective administration. It was this area that was conquered by the Benins

[b]Even your brothers material agreed there was a conquest, when the Oba of Lagos ceded Lagos to the British, is it only Obalende and Idumota market that she ceded to the British in 1861 or she ceded Ikoyi and other areas too on their behalf?when you answer that you will get your answers staring


My brother, it is not up to you, whether you accept or not, it is beyond you, all materials you will find, even the one brought to argue in your favor agreed that lagos was successfully invaded and conquered

- [ ] About the beginning of the eighteenth century,the island of Lagos was held by a chief called Olofin. He had parceled out the island and parts of the adjoining mainland among some sixteen subordinate chiefs, called whitecaps in recognition of their domination over the portions parceled out to them.About 1790 Lagos was successfully invaded by the neighboring Benins. They did not remain in occupation but left a representative as ruler whose title was the Eleko.

Christistruth03:





Nonsense !!

How come Benin owns no land in Lagos
Conquerors conquer Lands

Lagos is Aworiland and Ijebuland till today and you can do nothing about that


Even Oba of Lagos is not a proper Oba in the real sense

because he is a District Head in Aworiland

and the Awori who own Lagos already have their own Awori Kings

A real Yoruba Oba has the Authority to Parcel Out Lands

Oba of Lagos has no such Authority because the Land isn’t owned by him

but the Awori

Ologbo147:
Up till the 1850s, the Benins owned land in Lagos, this is an argument that is probable from your material not mine

“According to the Benin law,the king is the sovereign owner of land, and as the territory was conquered by [/b]the Binis, it follows that during the conquest the king of Benin was the real owner,the control exercised by the chiefs under the Eleko or [b][/b]representative being exercised as part of the machinery of government and not in virtue of ownership.[b] It might be for a considerable period prior to 1850, the control of the king of Benin had been been relaxed until it became little more than a formal and norminal overlordship, and that in this period, there had been a tendency on the part of the minor chiefs to arrogate to themselves powers to which constitutionally they had no claim. Including independent powers of control and management”.There is a possibility of this, this is a point of view of the argument on who own Lagos, a lot has changed since 1850s, this land was ceded to the British in 1860s where the British had control of land up till the present time where no king really have any control of land but the government.

The Oba of Lagos is the recurring decimal in Lagos politics and history. The British know better not to meet an inferior king. They met the dominandi, the numero- uno that ceded Ikoyi and other lands in Lagos on behalf of the Onikoyi and other inferior Awori kings

Before you guys bring a material up, scrutinize it properly, it can be used against you

Christistruth03:





Okay let the Oba of Benin Parcel out Land in Lagos then
Onikoyi is still Parcelling out land in Lagos as we speak even the Governors of Lagos Negotiate Land with him


A.Yoruba Oba doesn't have real authority without Power over the Land

Ologbo147:
Your argument is weak, I don’t argue beer parlor argument, your answer is in that write up, only if you can read. The Onojie of Ekpoma is the one parcelling land in Ekpoma today, does that absolve her of independence precolonially?

Up till the 1850s, the Benins owned land in Lagos, this is an argument that is probable from your material not mine

“According to the Benin law,the king is the sovereign owner of land, and as the territory was conquered by the Binis, it follows that during the conquest the king of Benin was the real owner,the control exercised by the chiefs under the Eleko or representative being exercised as part of the machinery of government and not in virtue of ownership. [b]It might be for a considerable period prior to 1850, the control of the king of Benin had been been relaxed until it became little more than a formal and norminal overlordship, and that in this period, there had been a tendency on the part of the minor chiefs to arrogate to themselves powers to which constitutionally they had no claim. Including independent powers of control and management”.There is a possibility of this, this is a point of view of the argument on who own Lagos, a lot has changed since 1850s, this land was ceded to the British in 1860s where the British had control of land up till the present time where no king really have any control of land but the government.

The Oba of Lagos is the recurring decimal in Lagos politics and history. The British know better not to meet an inferior king. They met the dominandi, the numero- uno that ceded Ikoyi and other lands in Lagos on behalf of the Onikoyi and other inferior [b][/b]Awori kings

Before you guys bring a material up, scrutinize it properly, it can be used against you.


No king can administer land that is not in his immediate domain. Just the way the Oba of Oyo cannot allocate Land to Anyone in Porto Novo. This is not the precolonial era

Christistruth03:


You have no case at all

Ghostwon8222:
Actually Lagos was witnessed as being part of Benin empire in the first visit to it by Europeans

Christistruth03:


All Metropolitan Lagos was in the hands of the Egbas [/b][b][/b]and the Ijebus when the British Arrived the only exception was Lagos Island which the Egbas couldn't be bothered to take

Ghostwon8222:

Dude, what is your point?
One thing which you fail to get into your head, no matter how many lessons I have given you is that the date of publication of documents is what makes them historically relevant. Don't bring me a document published in 1974 when we are talking about events of the 1400's.
(Besides, you don't even bring the document, instead you bring a snapshot so that we can't examine the document.)

Ghostwon8222:

Dude, what is your point?
One thing which you fail to get into your head, no matter how many lessons I have given you is that the date of publication of documents is what makes them historically relevant. Don't bring me a document published in 1974 when we are talking about events of the 1400's.
(Besides, you don't even bring the document, instead you bring a snapshot so that we can't examine the document.)

Christistruth03:



Till today the Ijebus and the Egbas that conquered Metropolitan Lagos are still Land owners there

At least your gear of Able Egba and you know that all of Eastern Lagos including Lekki are all Ijebuland

Where are the Oba of Benins Lands in Lagos?

Ghostwon8222:

What you are claiming is yet to be substantiated.
By the way, the king of the egbas wasn't even a first class king to start with. And I read a report which claims his kingdom is a fairly recent one.
So yet again, you just make claims and claims and bring no proof. And before I forget, I have already bought you an eyewitness written precolonial document which settled everything: Lagos and it's environs were part of Benin empire.
Also the jebu were vassals to Benin!