Onlytruth:

We are talking about a divided Nigeria right?
If that is the case, there will be NO SS.
There will be Ijaw nation; and then other nations out of that same SS.
Gerrit folks.

And offshore oil will remain the property of ALL countries carved out of Nigeria.
That is the only way.

Joker!!! No one will ever accept such a deal.

@OP
Odua republic (with 3 capitals in Ibadan, Warri and Benin)
Biafra republic
Ijaw nation (ND republic DOES NOT EXIST!)
Arewa republic

Posted by: jason123

Joker!!! No one will ever accept such a deal.

I'm telling you an inevitable truth.
You think aboki would walk away like that? You gotta be kiddin'.

It is the only deal they would accept.

Onlytruth:

Posted by: jason123
I'm telling you an inevitable truth.
You think aboki would walk away like that? You gotta be kiddin'.

It is the only deal they would accept.

Maybe the off shore oil in Ijaw republic or Biafra republic (if you guys like it like that or the Ijaws are with you guys in Biafra). As for Odua republic? HELL NO!! You will be shocked when that time comes!

Posted by: jason123

Maybe the off shore oil in Ijaw republic or Biafra republic (if you guys like it like that or the Ijaws are with you guys in Biafra). As for Odua republic? HELL NO!! You will be shocked when that time comes!

The truth is that I am one Igbo man that is very difficult to predict.
I am a pragmatist beyond belief.
I know that some of you Yorubas (yes you are Yoruba) are scared to death about Nigeria dividing; but you don't have to be if you get your share of "the national cake". That oil will keep flowing for everybody in the interest of peace.

In any case, I suspect that Aboki is the main person to make the proposals to.
He only needs oil and access to the sea, and he will get both if I have my say.

If Biafra had my type at the helm, there is no way we would still be in Nigeria today.
Yes, I said it.

jason123:

@OP
Odua republic (with 3 capitals in Ibadan, Warri and Benin)
Biafra republic
Ijaw nation (ND republic DOES NOT EXIST!)
Arewa republic

Wetin concern Warri with Odua Rep? Stop am.

If this country gets divided, everyone will regret it. Endless conflicts will start. Who will resolve the questions of
oil profits?

Onlytruth:

Posted by: jason123
The truth is that I am one Igbo man that is very difficult to predict.
I am a pragmatist beyond belief.
I know that some of you Yorubas (yes you are Yoruba) are scared to death about Nigeria dividing; but you don't have to be if you get your share of "the national cake". That oil will keep flowing for everybody in the interest of peace.  

In any case, I suspect that Aboki is the main person to make the proposals to.
He only needs oil and access to the sea, and he will get both if I have my say.  

No access to sea and oil in Odua! . .and if to you, I am Yoruba. Then, so be it! I guess Kpogede is also Yoruba, abi??
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-710432.0.html

Relax101:

Wetin concern Warri with Odua Rep? Stop am.

Everything concern Warri with Odua! Itsekiris and Uhrobos are concerned with Odua! Benin empire is also concerned with Odua!
So are the Yorubas the concern of the Oba of Benin

In the West, its either you are Edo/Edoid or Yoruba/Yorubiod. Anything from those two is a waste of time!!!

LOL @ jason, you are scared to death about living in a country without the Igbos.
That is why you are going gra gra about oil and sea access you don't currently (and will NEVER) control.
Abeg talk true bro.

I know you are a die hard believer in Southern Nigeria. Why not say so, than try to play tough with what you've already given away.

I know you don't want Nigeria to continue. So stop lying with your gra gra.  

Onlytruth:

LOL @ jason, you are scared to death about living in a country without the Igbos.
That is why you are going gra gra about oil and sea access you don't currently (and will NEVER) control.
Abeg talk true bro.

I know you are a die hard believer in Southern Nigeria. Why not say so, than try to play tough with what you've already given away.

I know you don't want Nigeria to continue. So stop lying with your gra gra.  

gbamm tell him as it is

Onlytruth:

LOL @ jason, you are scared to death about living in a country without the Igbos.
That is why you are going gra gra about oil and sea access you don't currently (and will NEVER) control.
Abeg talk true bro.

I know you are a die hard believer in Southern Nigeria. Why not say so, than try to play tough with what you've already given away.

I know you don't want Nigeria to continue. So stop lying with your gra gra.  

@Your first paragraph
LOL. Itsekiris+Ilajes in Delta produce 75% of Delta oil. In Ondo, Lagos and Edo; there is oil there as well. We in the West are also very well Educated! As you can see on this forum. From, Gbawe, Kilode?!, Eku bear, Katsumoto, Akanbi edu, Ajanlekoko, OMA4J, Beaf etc (sorry if I missed out your name). We wouldn't depend on Oil BUT we have it in abundance if we need it.
Ondo/Ekiti axis used to be the 4th largest producer of Cocoa in Africa before Oil. The Mid-west had Rubber, Timber and currently Oil. With Lagos and Eko atlantic . .hmm! Trust me, the West is VERY MUCH FINE!

@Your second paragraph
Yes, I am for Southern Nigeria FIRST before West or Odua. My reasons are very simple.
There used to be Southern Nigeria with no wars or ethnic clashes recorded, why can't we have that now?
The Igbos, Yorubas and SSoutherners have our NATURAL advantages and disadvantages BUT other ethnic groups will complement our individual short comings.
Education, sophistication and a sense of progress unities us all in the south. No one really cares about religion in the south. I can go on and on!

@your last
Yes, I don't. Not because I dislike Hausas or anything of that sort. But there are fundamental differences in the way we(the South) think compared to the way the CORE North thinks. To them, its mainly about religion and ruling Nigeria by all means. To us, its mainly about corruption but DEVELOPMENT!

^^

Okay o!

GARTH, the idea that because there are many Ibibios in Enugu, Igbos in Lagos, Yorubas in PH, that the south can't split makes no damn sense. What do u think will happen? Yorubas in PH will get attacked? Igbos in Lagos will attacked or Ibibios in Enugu will get attacked? This method of making up bloody scenarios just to discourage people from destiny into their hands won't work. Southerners living any part of the South will be safe and can relocate or stay back. I can guarantee anyone on my grandfather's grave that the Biafrans are way too civilized. If they haven't found a reason to touch non-natives in their midst now it certainly won't be then. BTW Ijo will have their own mangrove Republic hence 3 nations from the South can emerge.

Onlytruth:

And offshore oil will remain the property of ALL countries carved out of Nigeria.
That is the only way.

No chance in hell of this happening. A 20 year agreement in which oil revenues are still shared out (with the amount shared out diminishing), that I can see. But year 21, everyone finally completely has gone their separate ways.

No nation is going to sign away its territorial rights. . . ain't gonna happen. And if they do sign it, the coastal nations will renege.

kasiem:

their region is bereft of innovative and workaholic minds, which will deal a great blow to their fortune in absence of oil. U can see d way they lay all their survival eggs in one basket of oil revenues

The focus on oil is very unhealthy. If you have $2 and another man has only $1, if he achieves 10% growth on his dollar and you only 5%, he'll eventually have more money than you. For me, more important than oil is electricity, good infrastructure, and good POLICY+leadership.

Anyway, who knows, the SS might end up with good, wise leaders who wouldn't place emphasis purely on oil.

kasiem:

I think the SSers will suffer it most, cos, when their leaders pockets the proceeds of their oil, there wouldn't be any other survival dint for them. Naturally, they're indolent and barbaric; their polluted lands will be of no farming benefit to them.
In the north, i dont see the backwardness as suffering to them, cos, backwardness is like a way of life to them. The proceeds of their farms will feed them, and it'll be "to hell with technological advancement and civilisation". The igbos will have the problem of unity, but, they'll surely advance at a high pace.  

Although I take exception to your use of some uncharitable stereotypes to describe the people of SS, I agree with you about the badly polluted and degraded lands of the region and how that would potentially severely limit their self-sufficiency in food production.

In spite of this, however, I do not personally believe that the new SS nation would 'suffer the most' if Nigeria is divided, considering the vast natural resources (oil and gas) with which the region is blessed.

I also partly agree with your prediction that the massive arable land of Arewa would be very important for their survival, as they could at least be able to meet most of their food needs.

I laughed though at your witty, albeit condescending, characterization of what might sum up the general attitude of Arewa (core North) towards the perceived backwardness of their new country; "to hell with technological advancement and civilisation"

ekt_bear:

A 20 year agreement in which oil revenues are still shared out (with the amount shared out diminishing), that I can see. But year 21, everyone finally completely has gone their separate ways.

No nation is going to sign away its territorial rights. . . ain't gonna happen. And if they do sign it, the coastal nations will renege.

I agree with you 100% here. It would not be fair, and even if something like that were to be signed, it is very likely that some new generations of leaders of the oil-producing nations, as you stated, would get it revoked at some point. I am not even sure if there is any precedence anywhere in the world.

In the unlikely event that Nigeria were to split up, the north and the SS would be the biggest losers and the SW the best off.

The north would be land-locked and would depend entirely on the southern nation(s) for all their imports. Plus they would lose all the free money they've been getting from oil leading to a major economic crisis.

The SS on paper would be the richest, but in reality, their politicians would get most of the wealth as they currently do leaving the ordinary people to feed on scraps. The average SS man wouldn't even be able to farm because of all the pollution. The gap betwwen the rich and the poor will get even wider than it currently is leading to instability and eventually, Libya-style chaos.

The SE would do fairly well they'd get a little oil and they'd make a good living trading with the surrounding nations.

The SW would likely end as the richest of all the nations. They already have a diverse economy, excellent man-power and fairly good governance. The removal of oil revenue will lead to less rent-seeking, less corruption and ultimately more wealth for everybody. Plus they are likely to serve as the economic hub of the entire region, the same way London serves most of western Europe. This is less likely to happen though if the Yorubas kick out those from other tribes. If the SW can keep its best people, then they'll be the big winners.

the SS would be stinkingly rich!

@ onlytruth, my only concern is your interest in everybody sharing offshore oil revenue
why is all of europe not sharing the oil revenues generated in the north sea?
can't we (assuming efik-ibibio ends up in biafra) develop ourselves without their (ijaw) oil?
@ all, make no mistakes about it.ijaws will not suffer if nigeria divides

Why do you folks need to start threads such as these? Don't we have enough of them littering Nairaland politics board?

^^^

You dont have to post if you have nothing good to say, you know that?


Abi na by force?


If I were you, I'd get a job. Thats just me sha. Instead of trolling. . .

the New Nigerian Newspaper of a histogram showing the distribution of the students admitted into Nigerian Universities for the first time by JAMB.  There were 19 States in the Federation then, 9 of them in the South. Eight of the Southern States took the top eight positions in the ranking followed by Kwara and then Cross River, the final southern state. The States of the north other than Kwara took the last nine positions. Bendel State alone had more students admitted than the ten northern states combined.

source http://www.gamji.com/sanusi/sanusi11.htm



natural resources, the ss has it,
human resources it still has it,
competitiveness it has it,


so i wonder where all this below, is coming from?

I think the SSers will suffer it most, cos, when their leaders pockets the proceeds of their oil, there wouldn't be any other survival dint for them. Naturally, they're indolent and barbaric; their polluted lands will be of no farming benefit to them.

their region is bereft of innovative and workaholic minds, which will deal a great blow to their fortune in absence of oil. U can see d way they lay all their survival eggs in one basket of oil revenues

i wonder why sanusi decided to use bendel state as an example of a state that is far ahead in education, and not anambra, or oyo state  

Well, I'll simply assume that those of you who think that oil won't be shared with the North, are actually die hard One Nigerianists. That is what you are saying indirectly: some out of wicked cleverness, while others out of naivety.

If you don't share with the North, forget about Nigeria ever breaking up.
If you doubt me, spare sometime and read about Nigeria's history, from 1950 to 2011.
You will learn a few things.

Do you think I want to share anything with anybody? NO
I have no choice; and it is already happening anyway. So, you continue to have the same system, or if you are serious about having your own nation you would be reasonable and make the necessary concessions to get that.
Oil must finish one day. That is certain.

Infact if you want to know who would do best, start looking from 30 years ahead (after oil has been shared by EVERYBODY). Then the picture would be clearest.

The first step anyone serious about the disolution of this crap called Nigeria is to start discussing how the offshore oil revenue would be shared.
If not, just suck it up!
If your backyard gets polluted, you deal with it. If you're marginalised, find a way to survive without  the others.
If your relative is bombed, bury him and lock yourself in a room and cry.

Nigeria can only be divided in two ways: war or share the oil.

By kasiem
I think the SSers will suffer it most, cos, when their leaders pockets the proceeds of their oil, there wouldn't be any other survival dint for them. Naturally, they're indolent and barbaric; their polluted lands will be of no farming benefit to them.

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I didn't see this earlier. Like, WTF?! Yes, I agree the leaders are corrupt BUT every other thing you said there is irrelevant. We are NOT barbaric! Only a few "fights" here and there by expansionists, apart from that, the SS is quite a cool place.
Bendel can still go back to Timber and Rubber. Not every single plot of land is polluted, as you are trying to portray.

Posted by: jason123

I didn't see this earlier. Like, WTF?! Yes, I agree the leaders are corrupt BUT every other thing you said there is irrelevant. We are NOT barbaric! Only a few "fights" here and there by expansionists, apart from that, the SS is quite a cool place.
Bendel can still go back to Timber and Rubber. Not every single plot of land is polluted, as you are trying to portray.

I hope you know that the "SS" contain large portions of Igboland, and we ain't ceding that to nobody.
You can form your nation with Ijaw and Urhobo and others; minus Anioma and Rivers.