I might have to log off now, my babe is kicking.

Enjoyed the convo, my people. Thank you

^^^ of course Ekiti indigenes are in kwara. we have a local govt to ourselves. Ekiti LGA. but i still think it's messed up cutting Ekiti state from Ondo, then leaving us stranded in Kwara

lagcity:

^^^ of course Ekiti indigenes are in kwara. we have a local govt to ourselves. Ekiti LGA. but i still think it's messed up cutting Ekiti state from Ondo, then leaving us stranded in Kwara

If I should catch you ehnn Na me you dey joke with?o dun mi

Ileke-IdI:

I might have to log off now, my babe is kicking.

Enjoyed the convo, my people. Thank you

ok tk care. another day.

Posted by: LogicPower

Onlytruth: "Minus SE and parts of SS; SW would not be economically better than the North believe me."

I find it very, very difficult to believe this, simple because of the three obvious advantages I think the SW has over the North: access to the sea, much higher level of educational advancement and ethnic homogeneity.

The two bolded points are not too important, believe me.
If you doubt me, take a look at Somalia, and compare it to Chad.
Somalia has the longest coast in East Africa; while Chad is completely landlocked.
Chad is more than double richer (Per capita income: $1,600 (2010 est.); Somalia (Per capita income: $600 (2010 est.)

Northern Nigeria is rich in agriculture and so many minerals. If they get a fair parting share of offshore oil proceeds, they would be hard to beat economically FAR INTO THE FUTURE. Quote me on that.

. . .As for education, the North can always catch up if they see that they have no choice.
I believe they have been spoilt by current Nigerian system, whereby a hardly educated Northerner is made the overall boss in an institution propped up by educated Southerners .

. . And BTW Somalia is also ethnically homogeneous. 

@LogicPower

Another beautiful examples are Mozambique and Zambia
Mozambique has the longest coast in South Eastern Africa, while Zambia is completely landlocked.

Zambia is richer by half.

So, what matters is what people are doing inside the country to grow the economy, not all these nature endowed stuff.
Some Nigerian journalists who returned from Mozambique stated that they have never seen a worse country.
One said he was happy to see a country that Nigeria is better than, hehe!

Onlytruth:

@LogicPower

Another beautiful examples are Mozambique and Zambia
Mozambique has the longest coast in South Eastern Africa, while Zambia is completely landlocked.

Zambia is richer by half.

So, what matters is what people are doing inside the country to grow the economy, not all these nature endowed stuff.
Some Nigerian journalists who returned from Mozambique stated that they have never seen a worse country.
One said he was happy to see a country that Nigeria is better than, hehe!

I agree all these present some good and valid instances whereby a land-locked country is doing better economically than a country with a long coastal area. However, they might still be exceptions, rather than the norm. !

I am not an economist (I only studied economics in secondary sch), but I still believe that having access to the sea offers a big, obvious economic advantage to a country, while being land-locked is such a big, obvious disadvantage to a country.

I also believe that ethnically homogeneous societies tend to be less susceptible to political instability than countries that are made up of several unwilling, often warring, ethnic entities.
And the more stable a country is, the greater its potential for achieving rapid economic growth.

So I still think these two factors (access to the sea and ethnic homogeneity) would offer some added advantages to the SW, which the North would not have, in the event of a break-up.

But does it mean any country with all the three advantages I mentioned would necessarily fare better than any country that does not have them? My answer is, of course, a big NO.

This is simply because there is a whole plethora of OTHER FACTORS that can help determine the economic progress of a country.

And we were also taught in secondary school that although economics as a subject is described in our textbooks as a 'science', it is very much different from physical sciences, hence its 'laws' are not as 'scientific' as, say, those of physics. 

But all the same, I think you did justice to the topic by spicing your highly logical and enlightened arguments with those concrete examples that appear so effortlessly comprehensible, even if they happen to be exceptions rather than the rule.

Onlytruth:

Posted by: LogicPower
The two bolded points are not too important, believe me.
If you doubt me, take a look at Somalia, and compare it to Chad.
Somalia has the longest coast in East Africa; while Chad is completely landlocked.
Chad is more than double richer (Per capita income: $1,600 (2010 est.); Somalia (Per capita income: $600 (2010 est.)

Northern Nigeria is rich in agriculture and so many minerals. If they get a fair parting share of offshore oil proceeds, they would be hard to beat economically FAR INTO THE FUTURE. Quote me on that.

I don't know where you got this dream that offshore oil will ever be shared with anyone if the country splits. Whoever has their shore abutting the ocean and their navy in offshore waters will own 100% of the oil and won't be sharing it with any phucker.

IMHO, if the country were to split today, the SS would do best followed by the Middle Belt and SE (the Western parts of the SE would do exceedingly well). The core-North will really suffer and the SW will see a lot of brain drain, port business, oil coy hq's, banks etc following the money and heading for the SS. They will fare much better than the core-North though.

The SS will either stay together or form three countries; Cross River, Akwa Ibom and parts of Rivers could form one; Bayelsa, parts of Rivers and Delta could form another; parts of Delta and Edo could form a third.

Beaf: IMHO, if the country were to split today, the SS would do best followed by the Middle Belt and SE (the Western parts of the SE would do exceedingly well). The core-North will really suffer and the SW will see a lot of brain drain, port business, oil coy hq's, banks etc following the money and heading for the SS. They will fare much better than the core-North though.

The SS will either stay together or form three countries; Cross River, Akwa Ibom and parts of Rivers could form one; Bayelsa, parts of Rivers and Delta could form another; parts of Delta and Edo could form a third.

[b] The SS may have oil but no market for it but if they can take advantage of it through efficient leadership, they just may succeed but the SS leaders I see are all ravenous wolves

Other countries on the west African coast have already discovered oil and even in Ogun and Lagos, large deposits of oil have been discovered.

However, I believe the SE will lose the most simply because it is a landlocked state and the pressure on the limited and in some cases non existent infrastructure will be unthinkable as Igbos from other regions of Nigeria congregate in Igboland which barely larger than Oyo State.

The North can also prosper if they take advantage of their vast agricultural resource and thrive on agro allied industries

For the SW, the story of its development will be in the inherent potential it has in its people, its rescources and the enlightened elite it has. Rewind back to the Western Region and compare the rate of development of each region and do the maths. If the SW had not been bundled under the guise of federalism into the One Nigeria project, by now SA would have been second best in Africa. [/b]

geez*:




[b] The SS may have oil but no market for it but if they can take advantage of it through efficient leadership, they just may succeed but the SS leaders I see are all ravenous wolves

Other countries on the west African coast have already discovered oil and even in Ogun and Lagos, large deposits of oil have been discovered.

However, I believe the SE will lose the most simply because it is a landlocked state and the pressure on the limited and in some cases non existent infrastructure will be unthinkable as Igbos from other regions of Nigeria congregate in Igboland which barely larger than Oyo State.

The North can also prosper if they take advantage of their vast agricultural resource and thrive on agro allied industries

For the SW, the story of its development will be in the inherent potential it has in its people, its rescources and the enlightened elite it has. Rewind back to the Western Region and compare the rate of development of each region and do the maths. If the SW had not been bundled under the guise of federalism into the One Nigeria project, by now SA would have been second best in Africa. [/b]

Your hatred and bigotry will not let you reason properly. This is how you fail exam...I pity you!

@ ekt bear, are you actually a guy? you sound so much like a woman. what gender are you pls?

how exactly is igboland landlocked? do river niger and imo river not flow out to sea or will someone prevent our vessels from using it? everybody uses the suez canal which is not even wider than any of the two rivers.

Malawian: how exactly is igboland landlocked? do river niger and imo river not flow out to sea or will someone prevent our vessels from using it? everybody uses the suez canal which is not even wider than any of the two rivers.

They claim to be educated yet sound so blindly ignorant so ignorant and illogical! I am laughing at these fools.

geez*:




[b] The SS may have oil but no market for it but if they can take advantage of it through efficient leadership, they just may succeed but the SS leaders I see are all ravenous wolves

Other countries on the west African coast have already discovered oil and even in Ogun and Lagos, large deposits of oil have been discovered.

However, I believe the SE will lose the most simply because it is a landlocked state and the pressure on the limited and in some cases non existent infrastructure will be unthinkable as Igbos from other regions of Nigeria congregate in Igboland which barely larger than Oyo State.

The North can also prosper if they take advantage of their vast agricultural resource and thrive on agro allied industries

For the SW, the story of its development will be in the inherent potential it has in its people, its rescources and the enlightened elite it has. Rewind back to the Western Region and compare the rate of development of each region and do the maths. If the SW had not been bundled under the guise of federalism into the One Nigeria project, by now SA would have been second best in Africa. [/b]

Finally,this guy has lost it.

look at it this way; a scale over 10 to predict performance.
The North ups: agricultural potential and non oil mineral resources that can be tapped to create a strong economy. downs: will be a divided state in itself where the hausa/fulani try to impose themselves on the igala, tiv jukun and others who will resist because them eye don open. they also have unfinished crisis with SW over ilorin and yagba teritories, verdict 6/10

The South-South downs: will be divided on Ijaw versus others crisis; and will be prey to the SE who will try to bully them directly over oil and former links with biafra, the SW that will try and use its relationship with bini and itshe to try and carve up more oil lands from SS. ups: if the edoids/bini refuse SW, itsekiri will not, SS(edoids+ijaws)can invite the USA as guardians if the get themselves united. 8/10

The South-West ups has untapped oil in ondo, lagos and ogun states, and can also claim itshekiri lands as part of its own, with its highly developed industrial sectors and fertile land for agriculture, the SW can also unite with bini that will take along other edoid territories to join with it creating a strong, homo cultural nation Downs: edoids may refuse to join the SW and there will be war over ilorin and yabga territories with the north. 9/10

[b]The South East[/b]ups: hardworking, industrious and survival of the fittest attitude and with most of the population sourjorning outside the nation will make it succeed as a nation. downs: a nation of wanderers as evidenced by majority living out of the lands, landlocked and not fertile enough to support population, may not really have friends around it due to past histories. 7/10