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Re: Osun: INEC Not Bound To Electronically Transmit Results - Supreme Court Rules by thinkmoney(m): 11:47am On May 11, 2023
seunmsg:


What is the process of transmitting accredited voters and polling unit results to IREV? Are polling units results not stored on BVAS?

So, if the court agrees that it may be impossible to transmit accreditation information stored on BVAS to IREV in real time from the polling unit for reasons like battery power, network problem, polling officers not pressing the correct button etc, why then will the court turn around and insist that results stored on same BVAS must be transmitted in real time? Will the same factors that prevented the real time transmission of accreditation data not affect the real time transmission of results?

See, I don’t have to spell it out to you guys but the truth is the IREV argument is lost already. The Supreme Court will not reverse itself. We are pointing some of these things out now so that you guys won’t start calling our justices name when they use the same law to trash Peter Obi’s case.
Accreditation of voters most time happens hours before conclusion of voting.

Plus, the heading of that piece was misleading

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Re: Osun: INEC Not Bound To Electronically Transmit Results - Supreme Court Rules by Bashirkareem31: 11:48am On May 11, 2023
Ofunaofu:


Yes, the 2022 Electoral law and it's guidelines
grin grin grin grin you seem confused.Why are you mixing electoral law with electoral guidelines?Electoral guidelines will never fly at the court.
Re: Osun: INEC Not Bound To Electronically Transmit Results - Supreme Court Rules by mtngloetiartel: 11:49am On May 11, 2023
This judgement is technicality. It rubbished the purpose of the BVAS. The BVAS ensure a free and transparent election. No chance for riggings and manipulation of results. Instead of them to reinforce the BVAS capability, they are rubbishing it process. How can they hold that it is not mandatory to transmit the election results real-time? They are giving legitimacy to the chance for rigging. How do they expect a petitioner to be in possession of the BVAS like it was thier right? INEC is supposed to be held culpable for the irregularities if not, there would be no room for improvement. 3bn was allocated for this election, people deserve the best from INEC. Not this shamble and mess of an election.
tinsel:
From the above, we can see that Obi and Atiku have no case in the tribunal. What they are doing is a mere waste of time and probably to continue giving their supporters hope especially the noisy Obidients.
Re: Osun: INEC Not Bound To Electronically Transmit Results - Supreme Court Rules by Bashirkareem31: 11:53am On May 11, 2023
mtngloetiartel:
This judgement is technicality. It rubbished the purpose of the BVAS. The BVAS ensure a free and transparent election. No chance for riggings and manipulation of results. Instead of them to reinforce the BVAS capability, they are rubbishing it process. How can they hold that it is not mandatory to transmit the election results real-time? They are giving legitimacy to the chance for rigging. How do they expect a petitioner to be in possession of the BVAS like it was thier right? INEC is supposed to be held culpable for the irregularities if not, there would be no room for improvement. 3bn was allocated for this election, people deserve the best from INEC. Not this shamble and mess of an election.
no matter how much you try to paint the benefits of the BVAS,it wasn't enshrined in the electoral law/constitution.It ain't mandatory and it'll surely be ruled out at the tribunal.It should be very easy to comprehend but sentiment won't let you

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Re: Osun: INEC Not Bound To Electronically Transmit Results - Supreme Court Rules by seunmsg(m): 11:54am On May 11, 2023
thinkmoney:

Accreditation of voters most time happens hours before conclusion of voting.

Plus, the heading of that piece was misleading

Where did you get the part in bold from? Did you even vote during the last election?

No bro, accreditation and voting are done together. You get accredited and vote immediately. Accreditation ends when the last voter cast his or her vote. Ballots are counted and result announced. Result is then compared to the accreditation data on BVAS and of there is not over voting, both are transmitted to IREV and manually to the ward collation centre.

So, if you can’t transmit accreditation data to IREV in real time for whatever reasons, you can’t also transmit result to IREV in real time for the same reasons because the process is exactly the same.

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Re: Osun: INEC Not Bound To Electronically Transmit Results - Supreme Court Rules by seunmsg(m): 11:55am On May 11, 2023
mtngloetiartel:
This judgement is technicality. It rubbished the purpose of the BVAS. The BVAS ensure a free and transparent election. No chance for riggings and manipulation of results. Instead of them to reinforce the BVAS capability, they are rubbishing it process. How can they hold that it is not mandatory to transmit the election results real-time? They are giving legitimacy to the chance for rigging. How do they expect a petitioner to be in possession of the BVAS like it was thier right? INEC is supposed to be held culpable for the irregularities if not, there would be no room for improvement. 3bn was allocated for this election, people deserve the best from INEC. Not this shamble and mess of an election.

Well, Adeleke would have lost his seat if they’ve ruled otherwise.

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Re: Osun: INEC Not Bound To Electronically Transmit Results - Supreme Court Rules by garfield1: 11:55am On May 11, 2023
onuman:
Even if the Tribunal wants to stick to the outmoded version of Nigeria's fraudulent election process of secret thumbprint of ballot papers by ppliticians taking note of the number in voters register, take the fraudulent results to INEC which accepts and pronunces the candidate of the fraudsters winner; what about Tinubu not winning the required 25% in Abuja? What about Tinubu's certificate forgery? What about Tinubu's perjury of denial of dual citizenship? Tinubu's drug matter apart? Tinubu's going nowhere to be president of Nigeria.

Tinubu certificate forgery is not part of the charges.tinubu did not voluntarily acquire dual citizenship, tinubu was never convicted.by virtue of section 42 and 299,fct cannot be mandatory.by the way even if fct 25% is mandatory, how does it affect obi? He won't be in the rerun? Or you prefer atiku winning? I thought you were against a northerner ruling again?
Re: Osun: INEC Not Bound To Electronically Transmit Results - Supreme Court Rules by onuman: 11:59am On May 11, 2023
garfield1:


Tinubu certificate forgery is not part of the charges.tinubu did not voluntarily acquire dual citizenship, tinubu was never convicted.by virtue of section 42 and 299,fct cannot be mandatory.by the way even if fct 25% is mandatory, how does it affect obi? He won't be in the rerun? Or you prefer atiku winning? I thought you were against a northerner ruling again?

Atiku is healthier than Tinubu.
Tinubu as president of Nigeria is bomb for further destruction of Nigeria.

Tinubu rubbished zoning of the presidency between the regions of Nigeria when he declared that it's his turn, knowing full well that if it's turn by turn, it's the turn of the Igbo.

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Re: Osun: INEC Not Bound To Electronically Transmit Results - Supreme Court Rules by Greattie08: 12:02pm On May 11, 2023
I saw this coming way back in Apr., 2023 before the Apex Court's declaration that upheld Adeleke's victory.

The yardstick they used here which caused jubilation for the supporters of the opposition parties across the Country will be deployed for the Presidential Tribunal judgement... Remember, the Apex Court jettison the use of BVAS to revalidate Ademola as the Governor of Osun State so, also, the BVAS will be bypassed to uphold Asiwaju's victory.

Asiwaju shall be sworn in by His Grace come 29th May., 2023 in Jesus name.

God Bless Nigeria!

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Re: Osun: INEC Not Bound To Electronically Transmit Results - Supreme Court Rules by onuman: 12:09pm On May 11, 2023
Greattie08:
I saw this coming way back in Apr., 2023 before the Apex Court's declaration that upheld Adeleke's victory.

The yardstick they used here which caused jubilation for the supporters of the opposition parties across the Country will be deployed for the Presidential Tribunal judgement... Remember, the Apex Court jettison the use of BVAS to revalidate Ademola as the Governor of Osun State so, also, the BVAS will be bypassed to uphold Asiwaju's victory.

Asiwaju shall be sworn in by His Grace come 29th May., 2023 in Jesus name.

God Bless Nigeria!
Bolded.
If BVAS is not useful, why did we invest billions of Naira on electronic transmission of results from BVAS?

Why did INEC vow before the election that BVAS must be used for electronic transmission of results from BVAS in real time?

Has Nigeria become a country where election heists are legitimised by the INEC and the Courts? Because, next election, any political party is entitled to mass thumbprint ballot papers and write its own results, no accredited voters; submit to INEC to announce its candidate the winner of the election so long as the fraudulent votes tally with the number of voters in
the register of voters. Beware of the implications of what you want the Petition Tribunal to do because you want Tinubu to be president.

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Re: Osun: INEC Not Bound To Electronically Transmit Results - Supreme Court Rules by mtngloetiartel: 12:10pm On May 11, 2023
INEC was given the mandate to conduct a free and fair election. More than adequate funds was allocated to achieve this from which BVAS technology was procured. Is it now lawful for INEC to waste or abandon the resource which was constitutionally allocated to them to carry out thier constitutional responsibility?
This is some of the things the leaders are doing and we are not progressing. Let look at things from this perspective.Honestly, the Nigerian Judiciary is nothing to write home about. They turn blind to the obvious facts of the matter. Compare and contrast how judgement was delivered in UK over Senator Ekweremadu's case.
Bashirkareem31:
no matter how much you try to paint the benefits of the BVAS,it wasn't enshrined in the electoral law/constitution.It ain't mandatory and it'll surely be ruled out at the tribunal.It should be very easy to comprehend but sentiment won't let you

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Re: Osun: INEC Not Bound To Electronically Transmit Results - Supreme Court Rules by onuman: 12:18pm On May 11, 2023
Bashirkareem31:
no matter how much you try to paint the benefits of the BVAS,it wasn't enshrined in the electoral law/constitution.It ain't mandatory and it'll surely be ruled out at the tribunal.It should be very easy to comprehend but sentiment won't let you

In other words, the Electoral Act of 2022 is a FRAUD? Because if the president sign an Electoral Act, yet the Electoral Commission by-passes the Act, goes for the old system of non accreditation of voters and manual collation of votes, any court that accepts that is also involved in fraud. Or do courts have different Electoral code different from the Electoral Act of 2022?
Re: Osun: INEC Not Bound To Electronically Transmit Results - Supreme Court Rules by moodyguy: 12:24pm On May 11, 2023
seunmsg:



"An election result shall only be collated if the Collation Officer ascertains that the number of accredited voters agrees with the number recorded in the BVAS and votes scored by Political Parties on the result sheet is correct and agrees with the result electronically transmitted or transferred directly from the Polling Unit

The guideline is clear. INEC can use electronic transmission or manual transmission directly from polling units. Both are allowed. In the last election, the collation was done based on manual transmission directly from polling units. So, what is your point again? Is there a law or guideline that says it must be electronic transmission or nothing?
How is it transferred
Re: Osun: INEC Not Bound To Electronically Transmit Results - Supreme Court Rules by thinkmoney(m): 12:27pm On May 11, 2023
seunmsg:


Where did you get the part in bold from? Did you even vote during the last election?

No bro, accreditation and voting are done together. You get accredited and vote immediately. Accreditation ends when the last voter cast his or her vote. Ballots are counted and result announced. Result is then compared to the accreditation data on BVAS and of there is not over voting, both are transmitted to IREV and manually to the ward collation centre.

So, if you can’t transmit accreditation data to IREV in real time for whatever reasons, you can’t also transmit result to IREV in real time for the same reasons because the process is exactly the same.
What I said is right it’s just that it wasn’t exhaustive enough.
When I said voting I meant to say result. Accreditation and voting are singular processes that all amount to give a result.
Whilst I agree that the purported Judgment in Osun really looks like something that might have a consequential effect on the presidential case, Accreditation is singular processes which may not be transmitted in real time one after another, however, result is the sum of the processes of accreditation and voting,!this being a sum process can be transmitted immediately after the conclusion of the whole processes. And what more, we had the head of INEC going everywhere to even significant places and giving the promise that this is what is going to happen... he gave the idea that the whole reputation of the process depended on this. The Nigerian populace that are the real stake holder of this process , even more than INEC itself, understood, expected and depended on this assurance/promise
Re: Osun: INEC Not Bound To Electronically Transmit Results - Supreme Court Rules by tinsel: 12:39pm On May 11, 2023
mtngloetiartel:
This judgement is technicality. It rubbished the purpose of the BVAS. The BVAS ensure a free and transparent election. No chance for riggings and manipulation of results. Instead of them to reinforce the BVAS capability, they are rubbishing it process. How can they hold that it is not mandatory to transmit the election results real-time? They are giving legitimacy to the chance for rigging. How do they expect a petitioner to be in possession of the BVAS like it was thier right? INEC is supposed to be held culpable for the irregularities if not, there would be no room for improvement. 3bn was allocated for this election, people deserve the best from INEC. Not this shamble and mess of an election.
It is already a reference judgement to be used by all courts in the land
Re: Osun: INEC Not Bound To Electronically Transmit Results - Supreme Court Rules by tinsel: 12:43pm On May 11, 2023
onuman:

Bolded.
If BVAS is not useful, why did we invest billions of Naira on electronic transmission of results from BVAS?

Why did INEC vow before the election that BVAS must be used for electronic transmission of results from BVAS in real time?

Has Nigeria become a country where election heists are legitimised by the INEC and the Courts? Because, next election, any political party is entitled to mass thumbprint ballot papers and write its own results, no accredited voters; submit to INEC to announce its candidate the winner of the election so long as the fraudulent votes tally with the number of voters in
the register of voters. Beware of the implications of what you want the Petition Tribunal to do because you want Tinubu to be president.
Well, the highest court has ruled.
Re: Osun: INEC Not Bound To Electronically Transmit Results - Supreme Court Rules by Tzar(m): 12:46pm On May 11, 2023
What you did is the typical beer palour analysis.
Why not quote the part of the Electoral act that mandates INEC? Section 64(5) of the Electoral Act 2022 doesn’t mandate it. No part of the electoral act makes a GUIDELINE legally binding. INEC can discretionally prescribe any measure that the circumstances warrants. To seal the coffin, the Supreme and final court of the land has decided on this matter!

Ref my screenshots of excerpts of the Electoral Act. The guidelines may stipulate that , but a guideline is not legally binding. It is just a measure decided at the discretion of INEC to help the body facilitate the election as effective and efficient as possible.
Ofunaofu:
These are beer parlour analysis, we are yet to get the CTC of the judgement


Are you aware of what is called emerging new facts

INEC is bound by the Electoral law and it's election guidelines to transmit results electronically. The INEC chairman made that point clear severally at different foras that the results of the 2023 general election, i.e polling units results will be transmitted electronically to the IREV real time on the election day

Re: Osun: INEC Not Bound To Electronically Transmit Results - Supreme Court Rules by seunmsg(m): 12:47pm On May 11, 2023
moodyguy:
How is it transferred

Election results were manually entered into the form EC8 and transmitted dirt from the polling units by road to the ward collation centers.

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Re: Osun: INEC Not Bound To Electronically Transmit Results - Supreme Court Rules by garfield1: 12:51pm On May 11, 2023
onuman:


Atiku is healthier than Tinubu.
Tinubu as president of Nigeria is bomb for further destruction of Nigeria.

Tinubu rubbished zoning of the presidency between the regions of Nigeria when he declared that it's his turn, knowing full well that if it's turn by turn, it's the turn of the Igbo.

Atiku appears healthy but might not be.your comments are hypocritical,you cannot condemn the north and still support atiku.tinubu almost singlehandedly made APC so he has the right to present himself.it is his fruits.se built pdp and should reap there.it is the turn of the south and a southerner can take it.in pdp,atiku took the turn of the north.he has been contesting since 1999,why can't he step down for a south easterner this ones? This is tinubu's first time
Re: Osun: INEC Not Bound To Electronically Transmit Results - Supreme Court Rules by onuman: 12:58pm On May 11, 2023
tinsel:

Well, the highest court has ruled.

Does the court conduct elections? INEC conducts elections and vowed before the election that there is no going back from use of BVAS and electronic transmission of results.

If there were computer glitches that didn't allow transmission of results, that invalidates the election. Even a goat will tell you that a country cannot afford to have a president that emerged via a computer glitch.
Re: Osun: INEC Not Bound To Electronically Transmit Results - Supreme Court Rules by DMerciful(m): 1:05pm On May 11, 2023
IREV results, even though doctored, shows Obi won. We're not publishing it so you guys dont see us coming
garfield1:


Yes which they have done
Re: Osun: INEC Not Bound To Electronically Transmit Results - Supreme Court Rules by shinealight(m): 1:07pm On May 11, 2023
Ofunaofu:
These are beer parlour analysis, we are yet to get the CTC of the judgement


Are you aware of what is called emerging new facts

INEC is bound by the Electoral law and it's election guidelines to transmit results electronically. The INEC chairman made that point clear severally at different foras that the results of the 2023 general election, i.e polling units results will be transmitted electronically to the IREV real time on the election day

This is far from beer parlour analysis….you better wake up to reality. Obi and Atiku have already been given sliding tackle by the Supreme Court of Nigeria. Finito! undecided
Re: Osun: INEC Not Bound To Electronically Transmit Results - Supreme Court Rules by francotunsco: 1:08pm On May 11, 2023
More win for Jagaban!
Re: Osun: INEC Not Bound To Electronically Transmit Results - Supreme Court Rules by garfield1: 1:12pm On May 11, 2023
DMerciful:
IREV results, even though doctored, shows Obi won. We're not publishing it so you guys dont see us coming

No sir.irev results shows tinubu won.mark essien and several obidients published it.they have moved on.
How will obi win when he can't win north and sw?
Re: Osun: INEC Not Bound To Electronically Transmit Results - Supreme Court Rules by DMerciful(m): 1:16pm On May 11, 2023
Mark Essien explained how agbado guys were inputting wrong results so he took it offline.

Your question of how he won without the North and SW is funny...you don't need to win but get substantial votes. If the votes of LP that were swapped to APC are returned by just 50%, Obi wins
garfield1:


No sir.irev results shows tinubu won.mark essien and several obidients published it.they have moved on.
How will obi win when he can't win north and sw?
Re: Osun: INEC Not Bound To Electronically Transmit Results - Supreme Court Rules by ogmask: 1:16pm On May 11, 2023
Ofunaofu:
These are beer parlour analysis, we are yet to get the CTC of the judgement


Are you aware of what is called emerging new facts

INEC is bound by the Electoral law and it's election guidelines to transmit results electronically. The INEC chairman made that point clear severally at different foras that the results of the 2023 general election, i.e polling units results will be transmitted electronically to the IREV real time on the election day

Coupled with the fact that the Sam lawyer who won the case for Adeleke is same lawyer prosecuting Obi's case.
Re: Osun: INEC Not Bound To Electronically Transmit Results - Supreme Court Rules by miceroms: 1:18pm On May 11, 2023
It depends on what side of the argument one chooses to lean on.
The IRev at the moment has the EC8 form. So, that particular form can be used as evidence.
The petitioners in the case of Osun, did not present the document in the BVAS, neither did they bring in the EC8 form.
Re: Osun: INEC Not Bound To Electronically Transmit Results - Supreme Court Rules by jacobson662(m): 1:25pm On May 11, 2023
Ofunaofu:


Yes, the 2022 Electoral law and it's guidelines
It's only mentioned in the guidelines not in the electoral act.
Re: Osun: INEC Not Bound To Electronically Transmit Results - Supreme Court Rules by chukel(m): 1:29pm On May 11, 2023
Ofunaofu:
These are beer parlour analysis, we are yet to get the CTC of the judgement


Are you aware of what is called emerging new facts

INEC is bound by the Electoral law and it's election guidelines to transmit results electronically. The INEC chairman made that point clear severally at different foras that the results of the 2023 general election, i.e polling units results will be transmitted electronically to the IREV real time on the election day
are you hard of hearing and understanding? The specific electoral act section on this issue stipulates that only inec will determine mode of transmission of results be it electronic or manual. The highest court in the land ruled based on that. Go and read the electoral act well.
Re: Osun: INEC Not Bound To Electronically Transmit Results - Supreme Court Rules by zagaina(m): 1:30pm On May 11, 2023
Ofunaofu:


Yes, the 2022 Electoral law and it's guidelines
Please can you quote the paragraph in the Electoral law 2022 to educate a layman like me.
Re: Osun: INEC Not Bound To Electronically Transmit Results - Supreme Court Rules by garfield1: 1:33pm On May 11, 2023
DMerciful:
Mark Essien explained how agbado guys were inputting wrong results so he took it offline.

Your question of how he won without the North and SW is funny...you don't need to win but get substantial votes. If the votes of LP that were swapped to APC are returned by just 50%, Obi wins

Subsequently, others collated even here on nairaland and nothing changed...obi failed to get substantial votes in ne,nw.he tried in nc but still lost.he needed to win one region up north.even in ss,tinubu got substantial votes.obi needed to get votes in ne/nw
Re: Osun: INEC Not Bound To Electronically Transmit Results - Supreme Court Rules by DMerciful(m): 1:37pm On May 11, 2023
Nobody collated on Nairaland! You think collating IREV is easy? You're talking about Obinoscooy that did random sampling...how do you account for Obi getting over 90% in SE when you pick few samples here and there?

Are you not aware of premiumtimes report on obioakpor? This is just one place. Are you not aware of what our lagos true result is, even corroborated by PDP?
garfield1:


Subsequently, others collated even here on nairaland and nothing changed...obi failed to get substantial votes in ne,nw.he tried in nc but still lost.he needed to win one region up north.even in ss,tinubu got substantial votes.obi needed to get votes in ne/nw

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