Razgas:
lol south Africa is a unitary state. No province has controlled their resources since 1910

Is America not a unitary state?,

Cooly100:


Coal is not in excilsive list any more...you get a license and mine...

INVESTIGATION: Coal miners make a fortune while destroying livelihoods, environment in Enugu

https://www.thecable.ng/investigation-coal-miners-make-a-fortune-while-destroying-livelihoods-environment-in-enugu

License from who ?

Razgas:
lol. Ideas that keep a people down.
So we can't build skyscrapers which has been built in port Harcourt, uyo and multiple in lagos...lol.. childish argument.
I care about aesthetics yet when Tinubu was running for office he kept showing off lagos skyscrapers and your response was 'we developed lagos' lol childish argument.
You said until recently it was illegal to generate power. So in your own words it is now legal...childish arguments.
If anyone told the president of Burundi in 1993 that Kigali will be what it is today, I'm sure the president will say exactly what you are saying now!

Go and check my thread, I don't engage in blind arguments and I never used we built Lagos as an argument becuase I understand governance, I don't envy Lagos at all with sll their debts, south west and east are entirely different people we are natural capitalists while they are natural socialist, I fault Awolowo's choice to build a skyscraper, I know that skyscrapers cost millions at a time when all the Engineeers who built it are from overseas.

The west favoured free education, the East never did, because personally I believe that in a non socialist economy free education is the fastest way to mortgage the future. Having said that, if we can't build skyscraper by ourselves and we don't have stable electricity to power the lift and until this moment states didn't have power to build seperate power then I put it to you that we can't risk building skyscrapers. Bring stable electricity and skyscrapers would be as common in South East than any other part of the country just as multi story building are common here

AlexBells:

Is America not a unitary state?,

America is a federal state

AlexBells:

Go and check my thread, I don't engage in blind arguments and I never used we built Lagos as an argument becuase I understand governance, I don't envy Lagos at all with sll their debts, south west and east are entirely different people we are natural capitalists while they are natural socialist, I fault Awolowo's choice to build a skyscraper, I know that skyscrapers cost millions at a time when all the Engineeers who built it are from overseas.

The west favoured free education, the East never did, because personally I believe that in a non socialist economy free education is the fastest way to mortgage the future. Having said that, if we can't build skyscraper by ourselves and we don't have stable electricity to power the lift and until this moment states didn't have power to build seperate power then I put it to you that we can't risk building skyscrapers. Bring stable electricity and skyscrapers would be as common in South East than any other part of the country just as multi story building are common here

we don't do capitalism, we do petty trading. Sole enterprise that is mostly shops is not 'capitalism'

Razgas:
America is a federal state

Then you are faulting your own argument perhaps as you say that SA is a unitary state nevertheless while operating as a federation then why equate a province of a unitary state to a province of a federation knowing that in unitary state theres more cohesion between the units making the city you quote earlier almost like a distant capital in this case the resources of the mother state is also the resources of the daughter province however Nigeria is different in the sense that states are autonomous yet no full resource control, company sa province to Abuja which is a federal government terroritiy that's the closest you get when you use two unrelated system to make comparison

Razgas:
we don't do capitalism, we do petty trading. Sole enterprise that is mostly shops is not 'capitalism'

I will permit you to go check the meaning of capitalism in the dictionary and come back so we can continue the argument, I think you are mistaking the scale and stages of capitalism to mean the absence of it, capitalism don't have to be about size even some socialist enterprise like China are more daring than capitalist United states

Razgas:
we don't do capitalism, we do petty trading. Sole enterprise that is mostly shops is not 'capitalism'

I will permit you to go check the meaning of capitalism in the dictionary and come back so we can continue the argument, I think you are mistaking the scale and stages of capitalism to mean the absence of it, capitalism don't have to be about size even some socialist enterprise like China are more daring than capitalist United states between no country practice total capitalism or socialism but one have to be dominant

AlexBells:

I will permit you to go check the meaning of capitalism in the dictionary and come back so we can continue the argument, I think you are mistaking the scale and stages of capitalism to mean the absence of it, capitalism don't have to be about size even some socialist enterprise like China are more daring than capitalist United states between no country practice total capitalism or socialism but one have to be dominant

and yorubas are 'socialist' while we are 'capitalists'. Lmao 🤣

AlexBells:
Then you are faulting your own argument perhaps as you say that SA is a unitary state nevertheless while operating as a federation then why equate a province of a unitary state to a province of a federation knowing that in unitary state theres more cohesion between the units making the city you quote earlier almost like a distant capital in this case the resources of the mother state is also the resources of the daughter province however Nigeria is different in the sense that states are autonomous yet no full resource control, company sa province to Abuja which is a federal government terroritiy that's the closest you get when you use two unrelated system to make comparison

Nigeria and South Africa have similar structure. No resource control for provinces yet the have governors like us

Razgas:
and yorubas are 'socialist' while we are 'capitalists'. Lmao 🤣

yes, they tend to be more socialist minded, yorubas want free education at least they did it ones, they want regulation including government controlling who gets land, Igbos want competition, individual control over government control thats the major disparity between capitalist and socialist when a Yoruba Oba speaks they listen however Igbos want to see your achievements not some birth privileges

Razgas:
Nigeria and South Africa have similar structure. No resource control for provinces yet the have governors like us

You keep mixing things up, yes Nigeria is a federation on theory but unitary in practice which I appreciate to some extent by the way, Say is unitary in theory but federal in practice that's the difference, Enugu can't do the things you saying like investing huge revenue on skyscrapers do you know the new secretariat in Enugu it is not even a skyscraper but it is almost useless, you don't put the car before the horse, AlaIgbo is a highly Middle class economy of majority product of the Igbo apprenticeship system these people prefer their shops to having a huge office space they are making money however not enough to see the need of office space talk more of office space in skycraowes do you want such space to be unoccupied?

Thanksful:


Shopping Mart in filling station don't do well all over Nigeria. If you are not in Nigeria ask.

In fact nothing work as a business in those building they set up in filling stations all over Nigeria but they copied it from abroad.

Except “stanel filling station awka”
The guy is making cool money there

AlexBells:

You keep mixing things up, yes Nigeria is a federation on theory but unitary in practice which I appreciate to some extent by the way, Say is unitary in theory but federal in practice that's the difference, Enugu can't do the things you saying like investing huge revenue on skyscrapers do you know the new secretariat in Enugu it is not even a skyscraper but it is almost useless, you don't put the car before the horse, AlaIgbo is a highly Middle class economy of majority product of the Igbo apprenticeship system these people prefer their shops to having a huge office space they are making money however not enough to see the need of office space talk more of office space in skycraowes do you want such space to be unoccupied?

such spaces are not for those type of shop owners in the first place. Lol. Travel has taught me a lot and from your responses I believe you probably haven't left Nigeria.

AlexBells:
yes, they tend to be more socialist minded, yorubas want free education at least they did it ones, they want regulation including government controlling who gets land, Igbos want competition, individual control over government control thats the major disparity between capitalist and socialist when a Yoruba Oba speaks they listen however Igbos want to see your achievements not some birth privileges

all delusions of grandeur that igbos have developed after many disappointments in Nigeria politics. There is absolutely nothing that makes yorubas 'socialist and igbos capitalists lol. Yorubas started buying and trading shares since 1960. They have been among the wealthiest Nigerians since 1960s.
And just for your info..that we have refused to re-imagine Nigeria as a whole is the reason Nigeria 'cities' will keep looking like decrepit villages Everybody can't wait to 'japa' from. Rwanda survived the genocide and started re-imagining themselves and reinventing themselves while you are here giving a thousand reasons why we can't build 10 skyscrapers in 50 years . Lol

Razgas:
such spaces are not for those type of shop owners in the first place. Lol. Travel has taught me a lot and from your responses I believe you probably haven't left Nigeria.

travelling is not enough to understand how societies work? The richest men in Enugu state in no particular order 1. Peace Mass 2. Peter Mba (Enugu State governor) 3. Wilson, etc. Does this people have seperate office in the state aside their business premises office? The thing with all of you that makes travel your only source of education is it a very dangerous form of education.

If I ask you now how many books have you read this year certainly not up to six, so do you understand why those country's have that? No what you want is to replicate everything you have seen on your voyage and if one don't do it then they are not making progress.

The countries you are qouting to have travelled to have stable electricity, have astute industrial sector, have been existing since the start of the industrial era. I have been trying to tell you that until lately independent electricity has been illegal so don't put it on Enugu state if the Republic of Nigeria give us stable electricity we shall give skyscrapers. Now that electricity have been decentralised that's when you should start expecting such moves.

If I may ask you, how many councillors or town mayors have you spoken with, in such country that you have visited, I have advisers who are political and military veterans from different countries and even different parts of Nigeria and it is not about visiting a country for business you are just like a common tourist go to the administrative and find out if Enugu state can fund the energy requirements of an average skyscraper without constant power suply and now with subsidy it will be running a total loss to invest in skyscrapers without constant power

mrvitalis:

Tell us what is he economic benefits of cocoa houa in Ibadan

How much does it generate for the states

Government should build skyscrapers ? For what ?
Did they tell you it's government that build skyscrapers?? Build skyscrapers so that they would be used for what exactly ?


Bia are you sure you are Igbo ? Because this is a socialist mentality found only in South West n north

Finally my boy has made a reasonable comment on NL.

A skyscraper is driven by the need for real estate in prime locations. When you have a bustling economy and there's a great need for office spaces and residential areas in prime locations, the buildings have no choice but to move upwards to accommodate the plethora of accommodation seekers in such locations.

Question is does the economy of Enugu have what it takes to support such audacious prime real estate investments? Answer is no. If so, why waste funds?

Akwa Ibom built a 21story smart building and went about begging Mobil to rent the place. I believe that place is still cacant with no foreseeable tenant. Talk about unneccesary ego tripping.

Build your economy and watch things fall into place. Take Aba and Onitsha for example. A skyscraper can easily be built there and it will be viable.

Razgas:
all delusions of grandeur that igbos have developed after many disappointments in Nigeria politics. There is absolutely nothing that makes yorubas 'socialist and igbos capitalists lol. Yorubas started buying and trading shares since 1960. They have been among the wealthiest Nigerians since 1960s.
And just for your info..that we have refused to re-imagine Nigeria as a whole is the reason Nigeria 'cities' will keep looking like decrepit villages Everybody can't wait to 'japa' from. Rwanda survived the genocide and started re-imagining themselves and reinventing themselves while you are here giving a thousand reasons why we can't build 10 skyscrapers in 50 years . Lol

Please there's trump Tower in the US, go build your skyscrapers and leave the Government alone, halve education is dangerous, the skyscrapers in the US I bet you don't know over 90% of those were built by real estate investors and not government, you are not a politician certainly not read as well but pushing your emotions too far with entitlement mentality.

If you are elected you begin to build skyscrapers is it a job creator? Is it a crucial part of the economy, without the private sector the skyscrapers can't work unless in case of Multinationals and international organisations which Enugu can't get becuase it is not a country's capital as for the Yorubas, the Igbos has the highest Middle class, all part of the word the middle class is the biggest economic Yardstick not the 1% at the top

AlexBells:
travelling is not enough to understand how societies work? The richest men in Enugu state in no particular order 1. Peace Mass 2. Peter Mba (Enugu State governor) 3. Wilson, etc. Does this people have seperate office in the state aside their business premises office? The thing with all of you that makes travel your only source of education is it a very dangerous form of education.

If I ask you now how many books have you read this year certainly not up to six, so do you understand why those country's have that? No what you want is to replicate everything you have seen on your voyage and if one don't do it then they are not making progress.

The countries you are qouting to have travelled to have stable electricity, have astute industrial sector, have been existing since the start of the industrial era. I have been trying to tell you that until lately independent electricity has been illegal so don't put it on Enugu state if the Republic of Nigeria give us stable electricity we shall give skyscrapers. Now that electricity have been decentralised that's when you should start expecting such moves.

If I may ask you, how many councillors or town mayors have you spoken with, in such country that you have visited, I have advisers who are political and military veterans from different countries and even different parts of Nigeria and it is not about visiting a country for business you are just like a common tourist go to the administrative and find out if Enugu state can fund the energy requirements of an average skyscraper without constant power suply and now with subsidy it will be running a total loss to invest in skyscrapers without constant power

lol my guy your arguments sha. A mixed used skyscraper housing hotels, nightclubs, shopping malls, five-star restaurants, offices can not have a backup generator, but in the same state there are many factories like breweries with 24/7 electricity? Even enugu government house have constant power!
I remember when sullivan turned polo field to shopping mall..I was among those insulting him..now I know better...
My guy, you will know better. Besides I made clear over and over again that the plan was for the next 50 years. Meaning we can now generate power for it and not just for 1 skyscraper but about 10 built together and using one power supply. It is curious that one man -Dangote ..can build billions of dollars worth of plants within 20 years but you are here fighting me on how a state of about 2 million people with the landmass of some powerful European countries can't build 10 skyscrapers in 50 years. Shame on you brother 😕

AlexBells:

Please there's trump Tower in the US, go build your skyscrapers and leave the Government alone, halve education is dangerous, the skyscrapers in the US I bet you don't know over 90% of those were built by real estate investors and not government, you are not a politician certainly not read as well but pushing your emotions too far with entitlement mentality.

If you are elected you begin to build skyscrapers is it a job creator? Is it a crucial part of the economy, without the private sector the skyscrapers can't work unless in case of Multinationals and international organisations which Enugu can't get becuase it is not a country's capital as for the Yorubas, the Igbos has the highest Middle class, all part of the word the middle class is the biggest economic Yardstick not the 1% at the top

I'm sure you conduct the research on the bolded. What degree of freedom did you use to come to conclusion? What is the standard deviation of data used? Lol

jamesversion:


Finally my boy has made a reasonable comment on NL.

A skyscraper is driven by the need for real estate in prime locations. When you have a bustling economy and there's a great need for office spaces and residential areas in prime locations, the buildings have no choice but to move upwards to accommodate the plethora of accommodation seekers in such locations.

Question is does the economy of Enugu have what it takes to support such audacious prime real estate investments? Answer is no. If so, why waste funds?

Akwa Ibom built a 21story smart building and went about begging Mobil to rent the place. I believe that place is still cacant with no foreseeable tenant. Talk about unneccesary ego tripping.

Build your economy and watch things fall into place. Take Aba and Onitsha for example. A skyscraper can easily be built there and it will be viable.

mixed-used skyscrapers will have multiple tenants, also not just tenants but people can be allowed to buy spaces.
Also if uyo builds another one nearby this current one, I am sure the narrative will change. It is called economies of scale

Razgas:
lol my guy your arguments sha. A mixed used skyscraper housing hotels, nightclubs, shopping malls, five-star restaurants, offices can not have a backup generator, but in the same state there are many factories like breweries with 24/7 electricity? Even enugu government house have constant power!
I remember when sullivan turned polo field to shopping mall..I was among those insulting him..now I know better...
My guy, you will know better. Besides I made clear over and over again that the plan was for the next 50 years. Meaning we can now generate power for it and not just for 1 skyscraper but about 10 built together and using one power supply. It is curious that one man -Dangote ..can build billions of dollars worth of plants within 20 years but you are here fighting me on how a state of about 2 million people with the landmass of some powerful European countries can't build 10 skyscrapers in 50 years. Shame on you brother 😕

You are making an economic blunder, think of it this way, for every 5 story building in south east can easily be turned to a skyscraper however for a skyscraper the technology changes drastically to accommodate a lift system. This will gulp up electricity and we are not talking about 1 house we talk about 50 to 500 so this will certainly run on diesel which was never on subsidy how can real estate investors afford it, who will bear the running cost the landlord or the tenants?

This will certainly drive housing cost but with 3 to five story building you don't need lift, how can you compare a single government house to let's say a residential building where the lifts are required to work all the time? Even in polo park that you mentioned most there used to be two lifts now none of them is working, imagine living in 27th floor and your generator breaks down and you have to wait for other people sharing the house with you to contribute money or nepa would be off becuase of a little rain.

These are complicated situation go make money and build a skyscraper if you think it profitable at this point we have better things to build In in the East like modular refineries and gas projects

Razgas:
I'm sure you conduct the research on the bolded. What degree of freedom did you use to come to conclusion? What is the standard deviation of data used? Lol

according to B disraeli, there are three types of lies, 1. Lies 2. Dammed lies and 3. Statistics. I reserve my right to conceal my metric of my statistics but I also appreciate your right to see it as lie, both parties get satisfied and I leave you ro challenge my position

Razgas:
mixed-used skyscrapers will have multiple tenants, also not just tenants but people can be allowed to buy spaces.
Also if uyo builds another one nearby this current one, I am sure the narrative will change. It is called economies of scale

Ok, you're from Uyo. Can the economy of Uyo support such structures? What is the purchasing power of its residents.

NB: Akwa Ibom being a resource rich state doesn't necessarily translate to having rich citizens.

AlexBells:

You are making an economic blunder, think of it this way, for every 5 story building in south east can easily be turned to a skyscraper however for a skyscraper the technology changes drastically to accommodate a lift system. This will gulp up electricity and we are not talking about 1 house we talk about 50 to 500 so this will certainly run on diesel which was never on subsidy how can real estate investors afford it, who will bear the running cost the landlord or the tenants?

This will certainly drive housing cost but with 3 to five story building you don't need lift, how can you compare a single government house to let's say a residential building where the lifts are required to work all the time? Even in polo park that you mentioned most there used to be two lifts now none of them is working, imagine living in 27th floor and your generator breaks down and you have to wait for other people sharing the house with you to contribute money or nepa would be off becuase of a little rain.

These are complicated situation go make money and build a skyscraper if you think it profitable at this point we have better things to build In in the East like modular refineries and gas projects

even the modular refinery won't still be built for the same reasons you believe the skyscrapers shouldn't be built.
Also I'm not talking about east, I am talking about Enugu state. Other Eastern states can do whatever they want.
If I was governor, I would go with tourism and aesthetics..because I know how they open up a city. I lived in Qatar and watched how Doha gradually changed to become unrecognisable. I also know why people love visiting Rwanda but not Burundi. Why people love visiting lagos and Abuja but not Ibadan or kaduna.
It is the little things. The big things come from things as little as a neat street, traffic light, side walk. But you know nothing about these things lol

jamesversion:


Ok, you're from Uyo. Can the economy of Uyo support such structures? What is the purchasing power of its residents.

NB: Akwa Ibom being a resource rich state doesn't necessarily translate to having rich citizens.

what is the purchasing power of Rwandans?

Razgas:
even the modular refinery won't still be built for the same reasons you believe the skyscrapers shouldn't be built.
Also I'm not talking about east, I am talking about Enugu state. Other Eastern states can do whatever they want.
If I was governor, I would go with tourism and aesthetics..because I know how they open up a city. I lived in Qatar and watched how Doha gradually changed to become unrecognisable. I also know why people love visiting Rwanda but not Burundi. Why people love visiting lagos and Abuja but not Ibadan or kaduna.
It is the little things. The big things come from things as little as a neat street, traffic light, side walk. But you know nothing about these things lol

Nobody visits Lagos for tourism I bet you dont know people visit Lagos and Abuja for the money, Enugu is a bigger tourist attraction than Lagos.

Modular Refinery will create more jobs and more beneficial to the economy than skyscrapers still as far as power suply is the question here refineries are self sufficient however you are talking about residential sky scrapers there would be 100s of them here in south east if there's stable electricity.

Razgas:
lol...people like you are the reason Nigeria has made zero progress in 60 years. Nay sayers with zero practical alternative. I remember how you were insulting igbos here in 2015 because of Buhari. Nobody could call you to order. Now you run around insulting yorubas because of the same buhari. Zero direction.
Now let me explain the poverty circle to you. It starts with you telling yourself you are too poor to save. And because you don't have savings, you can't invest and because you can't invest, you make no extra income and the circle completes with you remaining poor.
In this case, we won't be able to build skyscrapers that could be used as offices and residences of modern, urban igbo youths who have lived abroad and have who have become used to a certain European lifestyle and who can bring in capital and expertise in our state because we are too busy paying an overbloated civil service with our little income. In turn this igbo youths take their investment to cities like Abuja and lagos and go there to build the same skyscrapers you don't want in the east and you go to their instagram page to insult them for abandoning igboland and igboland remains poor and unable to build these skyscrapers. Meanwhile many skyscrapers in Eko Atlantic are owned by Igbos

Are you okay at all?

Enugu like most states in nigeria dont need no skyscraper!

You expect the goverment to abandon other pressing needs and invest in building highrise buildings?

How will they maintain the buildings? Let me guess, with same government funds.

And i see you saying somthing like skyscraper been for residential purpose. In this Nigeria? Do you know how many buildings are currently unoccupied in Abduja and Lagos?

Thanksful:


Shopping Mart in filling station don't do well all over Nigeria. If you are not in Nigeria ask.

In fact nothing work as a business in those building they set up in filling stations all over Nigeria but they copied it from abroad.

Northwest filling station in Enugu has a shopping mart and they're doing well more than the average filling station .

Razgas:
thanks a million. I was so disappointed in the guy's comment because he's actually a passionate Igbo guy that I admire. I was obviously talking about PPP but he was in a rush to criticise yorubas he couldn't read what I was saying

Criticise yoruba how?..

Guy get-out.. you no be igbo

mrvitalis:

What drive supply is demand , if there is a demand for skyscrapers Nigerians would supply it

Why is there no iPhone shop in Nigeria ? Mercedes Benz shop, BMW?

There is Mercedes-Benz shop in Enugu but it's not functional, it just serves as a storage facility for Mercedes Benz


How many people would want to buy Mercedes-Benz from the Mercedes Benz shop than from ndubuisi motor seller where it's cheaper