mrvitalis:

Rwanda is a country of two ethnic nationalities forced together in forced fake peace user a dictator

Yes it's economically progressive now but it's not sustainable since kigami want live for ever

What we need in Nigeria is Germany system where each nationality is semi Independent

Igbos what we need now is a 5 trillion Naira credit facilities over a span of 10 years for Industries in import substitution or export oriented products

How do we raise 5 trillion ? Tax ,loan , revenue
Do this and GDP of south east would be over 150 billion in 10 years ... sky scrappers would naturally sprint out if we do the right urban planning

fvck Nigeria. I'm talking of South east. As far as I am concerned..Nigeria doesn't exist. I will never create a thread again about Nigerian politics. I have lost interest. South east....enugu in particular can be all those beautiful things you want without help from Nigeria
And FYI developed countries usually start with ONE man's vision. Qatar, uae, Singapore, Rwanda , USA, Cuba, Libya, are all examples

mrvitalis:

What drive supply is demand , if there is a demand for skyscrapers Nigerians would supply it

Why is there no iPhone shop in Nigeria ? Mercedes Benz shop, BMW?

Of cos... when we need electricity it ll sprout same as good transport system.

Greyworld:

Of cos... when we need electricity it ll sprout same as good transport system.

lol. You finish the guy. But he probably won't even realise

Greyworld:

Of cos... when we need electricity it ll sprout same as good transport system.

Electricity is why apple , BMW and Mercedes don't have show room in Nigeria ?

But Toyota has na , Hyundai Tecno, Samsung has na don't they need power too?

Razgas:
fvck Nigeria. I'm talking of South east. As far as I am concerned..Nigeria doesn't exist. I will never create a thread again about Nigerian politics. I have lost interest. South east....enugu in particular can be all those beautiful things you want without help from Nigeria
And FYI developed countries usually start with ONE man's vision. Qatar, uae, Singapore, Rwanda , USA, Cuba, Libya, are all examples

I specifically singled out Igbos land idea

Razgas:
Burundi is Rwanda's next door neighbour. Same population, same resources, but what is the capital of Burundi? Do you even know? Why? Because it looks just as shitty as Enugu! The photo here is Burundi's capital.
Enugu is also the capital of a state...we can implement an economic zone in enugu too.
It is the skyscrapers of Kigali that put Kigali on the map not its resources because it has non

na Burundi capital be dis enugu fine pass this place naa

Razgas:
government can build skyscrapers. I have lived in multiple countries and I know a few of the skyscrapers under construction being built by government. In Qatar, in Singapore.
Government can also contribute land alone while real estate companies build the skyscrapers.
What is the benefit of skyscrapers you ask?
What is the benefit of the alternative? In what way has the rag structures popping up in our cities benefited us?
You and I know that skyscrapers are used to make statements of the intention of a city. Even the small development Sullivan chime brought to Enugu with road construction, i know how thousands of people from neighbouring states relocated to Enugu. No need to argue this. No major city in the world doesn't have a skyline.

You made a very sane and futuristic point in the above, only non thinking people will ask questions in retrogression when someone making futuristic plans or thinking out something good for the neighborhood.

Half of the wealth in Africa is not found in Europe. But which has the most skyscrapers? Even ants, little things that God created were able to build superstructures that should inspire man, with muds. The wealth is not in the muds, but in the mind and how it's set.

Why are we backwards? Because we either think backwards or we don't think at all. We're thinking about fleeing to other people's places. But if we can create appealing hubs around our immediate neighborhood, agriculture, industry, research center etc will emerge.

We need a state to start on such template in the interior, that could be a structural revolution. I watched the endeavors of governor Adeleke in Osun, more about roads, but it doesn't really beautify the entirety of the sphere for the masterpiece to be masterpiece.

It has to be a complete redesigning and not facelift, to build a nation ought to be it, complete art. You can't be making roads in 2023 to link up with the 1909 dilapidated surroundings, uplift the old place and build new cities sponsored by the state.

In such instance, we're not going backwards like japa to slave trade sort of journey or building roads for people who are no longer around.

absoluteSuccess:


You made a very sane and futuristic point in the above, only non thinking people will ask questions in retrogression when someone making futuristic plans or thinking out something good for the neighborhood.

Half of the wealth in Africa is not found in Europe. But which has the most skyscrapers? Even ants, little things that God created were able to build superstructures that should inspire man, with muds. The wealth is not in the muds, but in the mind and how it's set.

Why are we backwards? Because we either think backwards or we don't think at all. We're thinking about fleeing to other people's places. But if we can create appealing hubs around our immediate neighborhood, agriculture, industry, research center etc will emerge.

We need a state to start on such template in the interior, that could be a structural revolution. I watched the endeavors of governor Adeleke in Osun, more about roads, but it doesn't really beautify the entirety of the sphere for the masterpiece to be masterpiece.

It has to be a complete redesigning and not facelift, to build a nation ought to be it, complete art. You can't be making roads in 2023 to link up with the 1909 surroundings, uplift the old place and build new cities sponsored by the state.

In such instance, we're not going backwards like japa to slave trade sort of journey or building roads for people who are no longer around.

thanks brother. Even little cities in the U.S are planned to have a city centre with skyscrapers.
The picture here is Atlantic city in New Jersey. It has less than 40k people

mrvitalis:

Tell us what is he economic benefits of cocoa houa in Ibadan

How much does it generate for the states

Government should build skyscrapers ? For what ?
Did they tell you it's government that build skyscrapers?? Build skyscrapers so that they would be used for what exactly ?


Bia are you sure you are Igbo ? Because this is a socialist mentality found only in South West n north

What south West and Yoruba got to do with this...

Why are you Obi supporters so obsessed with Yorubaland?

Razgas:
thanks brother. Even little cities in the U.S are planned to have a city centre with skyscrapers.
The picture here is Atlantic city in New Jersey. It has less than 40k people

The masterminds of such societies are ahead of us, we're living like this because if you are at the frontpage and you continually read the comments we make, our minds are still in the age of anthropological childhood.

Building such a city is good for many things, not necessarily for the need of the city itself, but the science of urban planning and structural engineering, material science and all forms of technology that goes into the project.

Building such a city get the best of the best employ the startup, so much that new firms comes from the process with years of experience. That helps perpetuate the art of city building for the builders, home and abroad.

Now the city is situated on the Atlantic, possibly earning from tourism, but not comparable with what a jungle turned to a Paradise could make with much human traffic.

In extension, our minds are not yet developed to the extent of seeing our homelands with the beauty of the paradise. Paradise should be somewhere else. Our place.remains a jungle in the core of our being.

So, only God can make the progress some of us imagined to be witnessed in our time.

Razgas:
Yes Kigali is in the middle of nowhere as you can see from the map here. It is the yellow dot.
Why does it attract international opportunities? Is it because it is peaceful? Nope...Rwanda genocide was just in 1994.
Is it because it is rich? Nope it has no resources.
Is it because of its beaches or ports? Nope it is landlocked.
Is it because it has a rich neighbour? Nope it's neighbours are poorer than it.

Let me tell you why....Paul Kagame is the y and zed.
A Paul Kagame will put Enugu on the map too

I think the issue here is you are comparing a sovereign state capital to a provincial capital, please stop the argument it is baseless, a sovereign enters many official engagements that a province can't, for instance, UN, UNICEF, Embassies, joint projects can easily need those office space in such country's capital however in Nigeria it is either Abuja or Lagos so you need to compare that city to Abuja or Lagos becuase that's where all the international and multinational organisations are in Nigeria, there are other towns in your so called Rwanda compare them to Enugu, Enugu is a provincial capital please do take note.

BentizilL:

What south West and Yoruba got to do with this...

Why are you Obi supporters so obsessed with Yorubaland?

mrvitalis this is the kind of insults your kind bring to us when you act obsessed with yorubas. They laugh at us and say we always migrate to their land. You laugh at them and say they never leave their region...who do you think the joke is on?

Razgas:
thanks brother. Even little cities in the U.S are planned to have a city centre with skyscrapers.
The picture here is Atlantic city in New Jersey. It has less than 40k people

Is US and Nigeria practicing the same kind of government, aren't cities more autonomous in the state when last did Enugu mine our coal, when last did Enugu explore our gas and crude, there are strength and weakness in every system don't just judge from the surface

AlexBells:

I think the issue here is you are comparing a sovereign state capital to a provincial capital, please stop the argument it is baseless, a sovereign enters many official engagements that a province can't, for instance, UN, UNICEF, Embassies, joint projects can easily need those office space in such country's capital however in Nigeria it is either Abuja or Lagos so you need to compare that city to Abuja or Lagos becuase that's where all the international and multinational organisations are in Nigeria, there are other towns in your so called Rwanda compare them to Enugu, Enugu is a provincial capital please do take note.

how come their next door neighbour Burundi's capital doesn't look as good as Enugu? Or are you saying UN doesn't want to build an embassy in Burundi? It is all about idea. Enugu can look better than this with our resources within 40 years if ideas are developed and implemented.

AlexBells:
Is US and Nigeria practicing the same kind of government, aren't cities more autonomous in the state when last did Enugu mine our coal, when last did Enugu explore our gas and crude, there are strength and weakness in every system don't just judge from the surface

what crude oil or coal did Durban in South Africa mine to look like 'abroad'? Blame blame blame that's all I hear from us.

mrvitalis:

Why would a business want to rent a sky scrappers that's expensive when it can rent normal office for 10%

Use u asked. Why most skyscrapers in Lagos is empty ? or why cocoa house is abandoned?

...but where is the normal office to rent in Enugu?

We need a mixture of both.

It could be just as high as 10 or 15 floors.

And talking about the city have just $60M...it is because they governors have no idea in generating revenue.

The revenue from real estate should be bigger than that by far...if they know how to get it.

Razgas:
how come their next door neighbour Burundi's capital doesn't look as good as Enugu? Or are you saying UN doesn't want to build an embassy in Burundi? It is all about idea. Enugu can look better than this with our resources within 40 years if ideas are developed and implemented.

Their next door neighbour may not look as built up as them depending on 1. Their international standing, for the fact that Their neighbours is already an international focus, it has become a regional player as such Multinationals which already fixed in Rwanda won't go getting office in Burundi, it is simple same way Lagos is developed and the rest of south west is going backward, proximity and alternative, however if Enugu is a country's capital it could have been a priority since Nigeria is a regional player it same as saying why ain't Benin capital as developed as Lagos or Abuja like I told you international presence and multinational accepting a regional hub is a critical driver of infrastructure

Razgas:
what crude oil or coal did Durban in South Africa mine to look like 'abroad'? Blame blame blame that's all I hear from us.

Is crude oil the only resources available to a state ? You need resource control which Nigerian states lack

AlexBells:

Their next door neighbour may not look as built up as them depending on 1. Their international standing, for the fact that Their neighbours is already an international focus, it has become a regional player as such Multinationals which already fixed in Rwanda won't go getting office in Burundi, it is simple same way Lagos is developed and the rest of south west is going backward, proximity and alternative, however if Enugu is a country's capital it could have been a priority since Nigeria is a regional player it same as saying why ain't Benin capital as developed as Lagos or Abuja like I told you international presence and multinational accepting a regional hub is a critical driver of infrastructure

what made Rwanda an international focus and not Burundi? The genocide happened in both countries because they are all the same people. Both are landlocked and literally in the middle of nowhere. What miracles then made Rwanda to transform itself if not the miracle of idea?
Now let's say Enugu governors build 2 skyscrapers per 8 years. Is Enugu not gradually going to transform to become the lagos of the east while..using your own words, other Eastern states go backwards? Is Enugu not in position to transform to a hub within a large number of years? 50 damn years!

AlexBells:

Is crude oil the only resources available to a state ? You need resource control which Nigerian states lack

what resources was KwazuluNatal controlling?

Cooly100:


...but where is the normal office to rent in Enugu?

We need a mixture of both.

It could be just as high as 10 or 15 floors.

And talking about the city have just $60M...it is because they governors have no idea in generating revenue.

The revenue from real estate should be bigger than that by far...if they know how to get it.

Firstly you think if building those 15 floors n renting it out is economically viable people won't be doing it ? Like really?

Oya oga tell us how Enugu can generate revenue ...we are all ears you never know who can read This

mrvitalis:

How much d the Qatar building cost 2.7 billion dollars ,has Enugu gotten that amount since 1999 combined ?

Enugu had governors who only depended on FG, Coal is still used in US, China and other countries, why can't they develop the coal mines?

Development is all about mindset and individual.

You are already giving reasons why it can't be done but the Op is giving reason why it can be done even if the resources are not there.

If you are made the governor of the state, you will be like the past governor while the OP will be like Dave Umahi of Ebonyi state.

Sorry if you think I was rude. But it is what it is.

BentizilL:

What south West and Yoruba got to do with this...

Why are you Obi supporters so obsessed with Yorubaland?

How you read that as insult to Yorubas shows how your mind is

mrvitalis:

Firstly you think if building those 15 floors n renting it out is economically viable people won't be doing it ? Like really?

Oya oga tell us how Enugu can generate revenue ...we are all ears you never know who can read This

How did Ebonyi generate revenue?

Enugu has the biggest real estate in Nigeria after Abuja and Lagos.

Most of the owners are rich.

I am already doing a proposal to the government or how to get money from the estates...

There is coal, I even heard people are selling the coal and a making huge money....

The government can develop the coal industry...

I can help the government generate cash from the inner city roads as well...

Razgas:
what made Rwanda an international focus and not Burundi? The genocide happened in both countries because they are all the same people. Both are landlocked and literally in the middle of nowhere. What miracles then made Rwanda to transform itself if not the miracle of idea?
Now let's say Enugu governors build 2 skyscrapers per 8 years. Is Enugu not gradually going to transform to become the lagos of the east while..using your own words, other Eastern states go backwards? Is Enugu not in position to transform to a hub within a large number of years? 50 damn years!

You should not come close to being a councillor talk more of any significant position unless you change, you care more about baseless ecstatic. First Enugu isn't anywhere near Lagos of the East no Eastern states have such power, Enugu and other eastern states where planned to play unique role from the time of MI Okpara and Zik.

2. Enugu can't be like Rwanda's capital becuase until recently there was a centralised power grid, without stable electricity sky scrapers are defective or do you want to say why haven't Enugu gotten a seperate power plan well that will be illegal.

Now Engineering capabilities, there are limitations of Enugu going into international contracts for example with China because of the pack of sovereignty I told you about, as it stands now, Nigerian universities are not capable of producing Engineers and tools to build skyscrapers an Igbo man have to think cost of a project, you saw Anambra airport materials was sources here however the design of the airport is average at best, the Igbo man prefer to do things ourselves our Engineering is not up to building skyscrapers yet then the issue of power suply, the issue of demand for such office space, 90 of enterprise in AlaIgbo are sole proprietorship so how do you expect medium scale enterprise to rent office space in skyscrapers.

Without being a regional capital Enugu and other South Esst states needs to develop from within and that's exactly what we are doing, when there's the need and capability to build skyscrapers it would be provided for now you are only making sense when you think about the tourism potential of Skyscrapers but the people who really want to come to Enugu for tourism most likely are people who are fed up with seeing skyscrapers and wish to see some real African stuff and nature.

Razgas:
what resources was KwazuluNatal controlling?

Within KwaZulu-Natal there are diverse mining operations for the extraction of a range of mineral products including lime, slate, titanium, granite, and sand and stone quarries for construction materials.

Cooly100:


Enugu had governors who only depended on FG, Coal is still used in US, China and other countries, why can't they develop the coal mines?

Development is all about mindset and individual.

You are already giving reasons why it can't be done but the Op is giving reason why it can be done even if the resources are not there.

If you are made the governor of the state, you will be like the past governor while the OP will be like Dave Umahi of Ebonyi state.

Sorry if you think I was rude. But it is what it is.

Do you know what exclusive list is ?
If u think coal is profitable why not buy right mine n make profit ?
Why exactly as people not wanting to invest into coal ?

mrvitalis:

Do you know what exclusive list is ?
If u think coal is profitable why not buy right mine n make profit ?
Why exactly as people not wanting to invest into coal ?

Coal is not in excilsive list any more...you get a license and mine...

INVESTIGATION: Coal miners make a fortune while destroying livelihoods, environment in Enugu

https://www.thecable.ng/investigation-coal-miners-make-a-fortune-while-destroying-livelihoods-environment-in-enugu

AlexBells:

You should not come close to being a councillor talk more of any significant position unless you change, you care more about baseless ecstatic. First Enugu isn't anywhere near Lagos of the East no Eastern states have such power, Enugu and other eastern states where planned to play unique role from the time of MI Okpara and Zik.

2. Enugu can't be like Rwanda's capital becuase until recently there was a centralised power grid, without stable electricity sky scrapers are defective or do you want to say why haven't Enugu gotten a seperate power plan well that will be illegal.

Now Engineering capabilities, there are limitations of Enugu going into international contracts for example with China because of the pack of sovereignty I told you about, as it stands now, Nigerian universities are not capable of producing Engineers and tools to build skyscrapers an Igbo man have to think cost of a project, you saw Anambra airport materials was sources here however the design of the airport is average at best, the Igbo man prefer to do things ourselves our Engineering is not up to building skyscrapers yet then the issue of power suply, the issue of demand for such office space, 90 of enterprise in AlaIgbo are sole proprietorship so how do you expect medium scale enterprise to rent office space in skyscrapers.

Without being a regional capital Enugu and other South Esst states needs to develop from within and that's exactly what we are doing, when there's the need and capability to build skyscrapers it would be provided for now you are only making sense when you think about the tourism potential of Skyscrapers but the people who really want to come to Enugu for tourism most likely are people who are fed up with seeing skyscrapers and wish to see some real African stuff and nature.

lol. Ideas that keep a people down.
So we can't build skyscrapers which has been built in port Harcourt, uyo and multiple in lagos...lol.. childish argument.
I care about aesthetics yet when Tinubu was running for office he kept showing off lagos skyscrapers and your response was 'we developed lagos' lol childish argument.
You said until recently it was illegal to generate power. So in your own words it is now legal...childish arguments.
If anyone told the president of Burundi in 1993 that Kigali will be what it is today, I'm sure the president will say exactly what you are saying now!

AlexBells:

Within KwaZulu-Natal there are diverse mining operations for the extraction of a range of mineral products including lime, slate, titanium, granite, and sand and stone quarries for construction materials.

lol south Africa is a unitary state. No province has controlled their resources since 1910

Check out 🌹

Cooly100:


How did Ebonyi generate revenue?

Enugu has the biggest real estate in Nigeria after Abuja and Lagos.

Most of the owners are rich.

I am already doing a proposal to the government or how to get money from the estates...

There is coal, I even heard people are selling the coal and a making huge money....

The government can develop the coal industry...

I can help the government generate cash from the inner city roads as well...

So u finally agree we should tax real estate