DeathParade:


1) Is this thread about Indian Caste System?
Answer: No.

2) Why did you bring Indian Caste System into this debate when you yourself say you are not an expert on it?
Answer: Because you find it beneath you to learn any lessons from India when it comes to the topic of this thread: protecting indigenous people.

3) Did you stop making bogus claims about Indian Caste System such as the claim that skin colour discrimination led to Caste System?
Answer: No.

4) Did you make strawman arguments trying to insinuate that I am denying Skin-colour discrimination in India just because I am denying that it led to creation of Caste System?
Answer: Yes.

5) Did you pick relevant points from my reply regarding the actual topic of this thread and thereby make an effort to stop derailment of this thread?
Answer: No.

I really don't have time to keep this back and fourth with you, quick chronology:

1) someone claimed India should be taken as a good exemple for protection of indigenous people
2) I said no, and my argument was that India has a racist cast system
3) you came and said my claim on India's cast system was untrue and your argument was that you knew about one person whose skin is as dark as that of an African who was among the top caste.
4) I proved my point about racism against darker skin colour in India by using YouTube videos.
5) you complain that I didn't use words and that I am lazy to not comment the videos, even though I actually wrote a comment on the post of the first videos and wrote an other comment at the post of the last video. I guess, I have to attach a comment to every video to make you happy (yeah, and I work for you 'ow I guess 😅)
6) I explain that I'm not a specialist on India's cast system (but I don't need to be a specialist on chemistry to know to not bath with acid), and I reaffirm the well known fact that India's cast system favours the lighter skin colour.
7) I also ask you to provide the percentage of darker skin people whom are in the top caste instead of relying on the one token guy (who may or may not exist by the way).
8 ) you ignore the question and continue to cry like a baby

Now consider your butt hurt and lying by omission and entitled self ignored. I've got a real life to live in the real world

Stoplying:

I think we don't need to exchange any words after this. Try and learn how to talk with respect, otherwise don't talk at all.

Go read my first reply. Find one instance of "disrespectful tone" in it, there is none. You started with the name calling, called me a "propagandist" in a post without even having the courtesy of tagging me in that post. So maybe you need to teach yourself first about respectful discourse and how to partake in it. I only talk respectfully to those who first respect me and my country.

Stoplying:

I really don't have time to keep this back and fourth with you, quick chronology:

1) someone claimed India should be taken as a good exemple for protection of indigenous people
2) I said no, and my argument was that India has a racist cast system
3) you came and said my claim on India's cast system was untrue and your argument was that you knew about one person whose skin is as dark as that of an African who was among the top caste.
4) I proved my point about racism against darker skin colour in India by using YouTube videos.
5) you complain that I didn't use words and that I am lazy to not comment the videos, even though I actually wrote a comment on the post of the first videos and posted an other comment at the post of the last video. I guess, I have to attach s comment to every video to make you happy (yeah, and I work for you 'ow I guess 😅)
6) I explain that I'm not a specialist on India's cast system (but I don't need to be a specialist on chemistry to know to not bath with acid), and I reaffirm the well known fact that Indians cast system favours the lighter skin colour.
7) I also ask you to provide the percentage of darker skin people whom are in the top caste instead of relying on the one token guy (who may or may not exist by the way).
8 ) you ignore the question and continue to cry like a baby

Now consider your butt hurt and lying by omission and entitled self ignored. I've got a real life to live in the real world

This chronology, more than anything, reveals more about how clueless you are regarding the topic you are engaging me on. Proof follows:-
In point number 3, you claim I said "one person" has dark skin and he is upper caste. No dude, "Tamil Brahmin" is not the name of one person. It is the name of an entire community of black-skinned highest caste people in India who literally number in the millions.

The rest of your chronology is similarly mistaken because your own ignorance leads you to misinterpret my arguments and you keep refusing to keep a cool head and read my replies that would clear the bulk of your confusion. For example, you think I claimed there is no skin-colour based discrimination in India. When the truth is that I was disputing your assertion that skin-colour discrimination led to Caste System in India. I agree that skin-colour discrimination exists in India. I also agree that Caste System once existed in India. But I do not agree that skin-colour discrimination led to Caste System in India. Get it?

And as I keep pointing out to you, your refusal to learn from the Indian example shows how narrow your own thinking is. Like I said, lessons can be learnt from the successes of other nations even if those other nations are more backward than your own. Just like I gave you that example of me learning a lesson on disaster management from Democratic Republic of Congo.

obyno82:


Oga in what way? I am telling you your reality and you want to use sense to dodge.

Ur opinion not reality

Kay25:

Ur opinion not reality

Same as yours too

Nobody asked you not to make laws that suit the Niger Delta. Please go ahead if that is what your people need!

eldoradoxx:
Which one is una go learn? Learn what. If Lagos can be allowed to make laws segregating against people in ownership of property or right to do business in Lagos even as citizens of Nigeria, then we in the Niger Delta will also be allowed to make law that the vast oil and gas under our lands and seas is our cultural heritage as indigenous people of the areas and only our sons and daughters can own, drill, export and market our crude. Isn't it fair enough since we are to be allowed to make laws like Obasa said "giving more rights to property and participation in commerical activities in our state to indigenous people of Lagos as Yoruba nation" (paraphrasing Hon.OBASA

Tzar:
Nobody asked you not to make laws that suit the Niger Delta. Please go ahead if that is what your people need!

I wrote that to see the foolishness of the brand of discriminatory laws you are supporting Lagos State to make. As if Lagos can survive on its own. Meanwhile it is Niger Delta crude oil that Tinubu of Lagos is planning to use to govern Nigeria, yet Lagos wants to make law that will perhaps affect property or commerical rights of Niger Deltans in Lagos.

There is no foolishness or discrimination in the proposed law. There is only hypocrisy in your argument.
So the law that gives privileges to Niger Delta to get a share of federal allocation higher than any other part of the country is foolish? ND gets money from NDDC, FAC & Ministry of ND, is that foolish?
Also, the laws that mandate oil companies to dedicate a percentage of their employment to Niger Deltans is foolish abi?
I repeat, when the law is finally passed, make una no follow am o. Una go collect woto woto!
You even forget that Lagos and Ondo also have oil?

eldoradoxx:
I wrote that to see the foolishness of the brand of discriminatory laws you are supporting Lagos State to make. As if Lagos can survive on its own. Meanwhile it is Niger Delta crude oil that Tinubu of Lagos is planning to use to govern Nigeria, yet Lagos wants to make law that will perhaps affect property or commerical rights of Niger Deltans in Lagos.

Point of correction, the first videos weren't associated to a comment of mine

Stoplying:

I really don't have time to keep this back and fourth with you, quick chronology:

1) someone claimed India should be taken as a good exemple for protection of indigenous people
2) I said no, and my argument was that India has a racist cast system
3) you came and said my claim on India's cast system was untrue and your argument was that you knew about one person whose skin is as dark as that of an African who was among the top caste.
4) I proved my point about racism against darker skin colour in India by using YouTube videos.
5) you complain that I didn't use words and that I am lazy to not comment the videos, even though I actually wrote a comment on the post of the first videos and wrote an other comment at the post of the last video. I guess, I have to attach a comment to every video to make you happy (yeah, and I work for you 'ow I guess 😅)
6) I explain that I'm not a specialist on India's cast system (but I don't need to be a specialist on chemistry to know to not bath with acid), and I reaffirm the well known fact that India's cast system favours the lighter skin colour.
7) I also ask you to provide the percentage of darker skin people whom are in the top caste instead of relying on the one token guy (who may or may not exist by the way).
8 ) you ignore the question and continue to cry like a baby

Now consider your butt hurt and lying by omission and entitled self ignored. I've got a real life to live in the real world

Cloudflare:


Dude, over here in Edo state we don't care about such laws. The law is a stupid one, the guy who proposed the law is equally high on weed. Hence we binis don't really care about it. Imagine Edo state having such laws, you think there would be any Yoruba in Edo state? Dude, that law is a stupid one and makes no sense

I am sure you won't have this take on such law if the non-Binis residing in Benin City were adjudging Benin City a no-man's-land. I guess you can recall how tussle over the ownership of Warri land caused so much of bloodshed because of the fact that when the crisis started on a mere verbal note first the Delta State House of Assembly didn't see the need to conduct proper inquiry and come up with a white paper and law on that. You think Lagos State is as non-proactive as any of the other 35 states?

kingsways:
An Indian is British Prime Minister

A Pakistani is Mayor of London

Even a Yoruba man is a Mayor in Colorado

And Yet some stewpid Speaker want to pass some stewpid bill to protect his own stewpidity

In the UK, the settled Indians don't advocate for abolishment of the British Monarchy or House of Lords. I haven't seen a British Indian in the UK who doesn't speak English or denigrate the British Culture.

The interests of British Citizens are well protected e.g the Tuition Fees of British Citizens are lower than Non-Citizens.


In Nigeria, Anambra and Abia States have once sacked non-indigenes in their State Civil Service.


There was no single non-indigenes in the Administration of Peter Obi as Governor of Anambra State.

Tzar:
There is no foolishness or discrimination in the proposed law. There is only hypocrisy in your argument.
So the law that gives privileges to Niger Delta to get a share of federal allocation higher than any other part of the country is foolish? ND gets money from NDDC, FAC & Ministry of ND, is that foolish?
Also, the laws that mandate oil companies to dedicate a percentage of their employment to Niger Deltans is foolish abi?
I repeat, when the law is finally passed, make una no follow am o. Una go collect woto woto!
You even forget that Lagos and Ondo also have oil?

It is you that seems to be lost in your own argument. Oil exploration activities leaves the environment degraded and waters and land polluted, the representatives of all Nigerians at the National Assembly (Not Lagos Assembly or any State Assembly) made laws to provide for those displaced by the environmental issues. It lies in the Assembly of the whole country to make such law that specifically provides for particular segment of the Nigerians living in Niger Delta regardless of their state of origin. Yorubas living in Rivers, Delta, etc are beneficiaries of any development that these State Government use their derivation to bring. Our constitution will not allow any State Assembly to make any law that excludes anybody on the basis of ethnicity, religion or gender whatsoever. Obasa can only make noise, let him try the law. Even Tinubu himself is smarter and knows he can't allow such laws to exist or he will have National Assembly to contend with.

eldoradoxx:
I wrote that to see the foolishness of the brand of discriminatory laws you are supporting Lagos State to make. As if Lagos can survive on its own. Meanwhile it is Niger Delta crude oil that Tinubu of Lagos is planning to use to govern Nigeria, yet Lagos wants to make law that will perhaps affect property or commerical rights of Niger Deltans in Lagos.

IBO man rest. I say rest! Why crying more than the bereaved. At least not oil in the se

Injera:

IBO man rest. I say rest! Why crying more than the bereaved. At least not oil in the se

Everyone who has a contrary view to some of you is immediately classified as Ibo man. The hatred is so real. Meanwhile, am Niger Delta, we can see how you people are achieving the one Nigeria, one Nigeria filled with hatred and intolerance for one another.

So the overpopulation of Lagos given the tiny landmass does not have consequences on the environment and the natives?!
What kind a hypocrite are you?
Let me educate you, because you seem to think we practice a UNITARY govt where all laws MUST come from the centre. We operate a FEDERAL STRUCTURE!
So where does the constitution say states cannot make laws that suit them? I ask again, where does the constitution state that SHARIA is a binding law? But did states successfully pass it, YES!

eldoradoxx:

It is you that seems to be lost in your own argument. Oil exploration activities leaves the environment degraded and waters and land polluted, the representatives of all Nigerians at the National Assembly (Not Lagos Assembly or any State Assembly) made laws to provide for those displaced by the environmental issues. It lies in the Assembly of the whole country to make such law that specifically provides for particular segment of the Nigerians living in Niger Delta regardless of their state of origin. Yorubas living in Rivers, Delta, etc are beneficiaries of any development that these State Government use their derivation to bring. Our constitution will not allow any State Assembly to make any law that excludes anybody on the basis of ethnicity, religion or gender whatsoever. Obasa can only make noise, let him try the law. Even Tinubu himself is smarter and knows he can't allow such laws to exist or he will have National Assembly to contend with.

Tzar:
So the overpopulation of Lagos given the tiny landmass does not have consequences on the environment and the natives?!
What kind a hypocrite are you?
Let me educate you, because you seem to think we practice a UNITARY govt where all laws MUST come from the centre. We operate a FEDERAL STRUCTURE!
So where does the constitution say states cannot make laws that suit them? I ask again, where does the constitution state that SHARIA is a binding law? But did states successfully pass it, YES!

Go to National Assembly of the entire country and convince the representatives of the entire country on why indigenous Lagosians (who are actually not up to 10% of Lagos population) should enjoy special status in commerical activities and property rights over the rest of the citizens living in Lagos. It cannot be done by Lagos Assembly alone.

Well, when the Lagos Assembly passes the law, & the governor sign it, PLEASE don’t obey it. The law was created for people like you. We need to make examples of people so that others will learn/ Shebi una call Lagos ‘no man’s land’? ‘No man’ will make the laws that people like you need to learn lessons.

eldoradoxx:

Go to National Assembly of the entire country and convince the representatives of the entire country on why indigenous Lagosians (who are actually not up to 10% of Lagos population) should enjoy special status in commerical activities and property rights over the rest of the citizens living in Lagos. It cannot be done by Lagos Assembly alone.

eldoradoxx:

Go to National Assembly of the entire country and convince the representatives of the entire country on why indigenous Lagosians (who are actually not up to 10% of Lagos population) should enjoy special status in commerical activities and property rights over the rest of the citizens living in Lagos. It cannot be done by Lagos Assembly alone.

This is where we disagree, I believe that true Lagosians should have privilege in Lagos. Where I disagree with Yoruba people is that they seem to want to hijack what an indigene of Lagos is: the Yoruba are claiming that indigene of Lagos is equal to Yoruba.
Nigeria is not the same as the USA or England or any other western nation, Nigeria is a country of compromises, a union of people who bring in their lands and enjoy privilege on their land.
All Nigerian have their ancestral lands (except the slave returnees who now call themselves Yoruba by the way), so every Nigerian (except slave returnees) enjoys privilege in his ancestral land.

Stoplying:

Your lack of intellect is pushing you to see visions.
There is no way to know which group was the "first settler". You are just not smart enough to understand this.

Go watch any documentary about Lagos and see if you find any Edo tribe there. Go tell them they’re Edo

ogunijebu18:

Go watch any documentary about Lagos and see if you find any Edo tribe there. Go tell them they’re Edo

The guy who drew this Precolonial map, saw the Edo people of Lagos.
Also since you don't know anything about anything, let me inform you that Edo and Edo-state are two different things. I will let you learn by yourself what the difference is.

Stoplying:

The guy who drew this Precolonial map, saw the Edo people of Lagos.
Also since you don't know anything about anything, let me inform you that Edo and Edo-state are two different things. I will let you learn by yourself what the difference is.

I told you very well. Go see if you can find any Edo speaking Lagos tribe.

ogunijebu18:

I told you very well. Go see if you can find any Edo speaking Lagos tribe.

Not all Edo people speak Edo, this is you confusing language with ethnicity.
The same language which the political leadership of the western region tried to force upon everybody in the region. I speak English, I guess that makes me and you part of the English tribe.

But again, you don't know anything about the history of Lagos. Keep tapping about language.

Stoplying:

Not all Edo people speak Edo, this is you confusing language with ethnicity.
The same language which the political leadership of the western region tried to force upon everybody in the region. I speak English, I guess that makes me and you part of the English tribe.

But again, you don't know anything about the history of Lagos. Keep tapping about language.

All the Edo speak Edo language not Yoruba. Some of the so called Edos are actually Yoruba blood like osimhen. Yorubas have a distinct look so you can’t confuse anyone. We’re not like Edos who look different from each other.
The indigenous lagosians speak Yoruba not Edo. They speak Edo in Edo state. No one forced anything

ogunijebu18:

All the Edo speak Edo language not Yoruba. Some of the so called Edos are actually Yoruba blood like osimhen. Yorubas have a distinct look so you can’t confuse anyone. We’re not like Edos who look different from each other.
The indigenous lagosians speak Yoruba not Edo. They speak Edo in Edo state. No one forced anything

How I keep finding myself in discussions with fools 😅
Nairaland is not the place to have an intellectual conversation, so it seems.
How old are you kid ?
For your information:

Stoplying:

1) contrary to your belief, the British are not gods.
2) the Precolonial map which I posted predates the British taking Lagos from Benin.
3) after the British took Lagos from Benin, they flooded it with American and European freed slaves and local slaves also migrated into Lagos.
4) once again, Yoruba is not a people but a Precolonial country also known as oyo kingdom.
5) the first mention of Yoruba is from 1808, all these different people who originate from slavery have decided to call themselves Yoruba, that is what explains Yoruba presence in Lagos.
6) migration into Lagos never stopped right from when the British took it over from Benin, it is still ongoing today.
7) it seems you have difficulties understanding, let me be even clearer: when the British took over Lagos, it was a part of Benin, it's people were by definition, Benin people or shall I say Edo. The British didn't take Lagos from Ife, they took it from the Oba of Benin !

Stoplying:

How I keep finding myself in discussions with fools 😅
Nairaland is not the place to have an intellectual conversation, so it seems.
How old are you kid ?
For your information:

You are the one who can’t accept fact. It’s really disrespectful to the indigenous Lagos people what you’re trying to spread when the truth is clear. A simple documentary about Lagos would clear your mind

ogunijebu18:

You are the one who can’t accept fact. It’s really disrespectful to the indigenous Lagos people what you’re trying to spread when the truth is clear. A simple documentary about Lagos would clear your mind

Your documentary about Lagos was made by ignoramuses, and you missed this:

Stoplying:

1) contrary to your belief, the British are not gods.
2) the Precolonial map which I posted predates the British taking Lagos from Benin.
3) after the British took Lagos from Benin, they flooded it with American and European freed slaves and local slaves also migrated into Lagos.
4) once again, Yoruba is not a people but a Precolonial country also known as oyo kingdom.
5) the first mention of Yoruba is from 1808, all these different people who originate from slavery have decided to call themselves Yoruba, that is what explains Yoruba presence in Lagos.
6) migration into Lagos never stopped right from when the British took it over from Benin, it is still ongoing today.
7) it seems you have difficulties understanding, let me be even clearer: when the British took over Lagos, it was a part of Benin, it's people were by definition, Benin people or shall I say Edo. The British didn't take Lagos from Ife, they took it from the Oba of Benin !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZGxyimgGtY

Watch and learn

Stoplying:

Yorubas were always there. No one else was there before Yorubas. They don’t have any other culture language name that’s not Yoruba. Learn respect. The lagosian people are Yoruba

gambolistic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZGxyimgGtY

Watch and learn

I should rather teach those ignoramuses who made that "documentary". Read and learn. History is not a YouTube video.

Stoplying:

1) contrary to your belief, the British are not gods.
2) the Precolonial map which I posted predates the British taking Lagos from Benin.
3) after the British took Lagos from Benin, they flooded it with American and European freed slaves and local slaves also migrated into Lagos.
4) once again, Yoruba is not a people but a Precolonial country also known as oyo kingdom.
5) the first mention of Yoruba is from 1808, all these different people who originate from slavery have decided to call themselves Yoruba, that is what explains Yoruba presence in Lagos.
6) migration into Lagos never stopped right from when the British took it over from Benin, it is still ongoing today.
7) it seems you have difficulties understanding, let me be even clearer: when the British took over Lagos, it was a part of Benin, it's people were by definition, Benin people or shall I say Edo. The British didn't take Lagos from Ife, they took it from the Oba of Benin !

Stoplying:

I should rather teach those ignoramuses who made that "documentary". Read and learn. History is not a YouTube video.

It was never part of Benin. If it was they wouldn’t be Yorubas and speak Yoruba but Edo. It was never Benin. The British colonized Benin city so are their indigenous now British. That’s how dumb you sound

ogunijebu18:

Yorubas were always there. No one else was there before Yorubas. They don’t have any other culture language name that’s not Yoruba. Learn respect. The lagosian people are Yoruba

You see what you are saying are nothing but your belief.
While I provided proof for my claim, yours is just a belief, unsubstantiated, just your belief. And your belief goes against my claim, but my claim is proven. Instead of accepting reality, you dig in even more with your disproved beliefs. 🤣 You are a fanatic.

Stoplying:

You see what you are saying are nothing but your belief.
While I provided proof for my claim, yours is just a belief, unsubstantiated, just your belief. And your belief goes against my claim, but my claim is proven. Instead of accepting reality, you dig in even more with your disproved beliefs. 🤣 You are a fanatic.

I’m not a fanatic. YOU ARE. Even the British called the Lagos people Yoruba. You’re just making things up. You won’t say it offline I bet. We don’t speak Edo in Lagos