Fr33born:
What do they really mean by foreign ? In which countries were they trained?

No wonder UK is packing all our Nigerian trained doctors.

FreeStuffsNG:
Lobatan. Foreign doesn't mean better.They should study harder for the resit. Check my signature for free stuffs!

Eazeee:
U guys are forgetting or ignoring the fact that one of the reason for the failure may be because the foreign trained doctors refuse to ''settle'' the Medical Council. I have personally seen that done in the past. Carry out proper investigation on the cause of the failure & you may be shocked

InvertedHammer:

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I beg to differ.

The question is: What is the structure of the examination?

It is difficult to study and train with modern equipment and be tested on archaic practices bordering on "cram and vomit". Many Nigerians who excelled in many professions abroad were initialed failed in Nigerian schools. Do you ever wonder why? Last time I checked, graduates from Nigerian universities are not world class. They need to update their curricula. Don't be surprised that it is the same exams that they used in the 1980s that they are still using in 2023.

Talk to doctors in your Teaching Hospitals about laparoscopic surgery or even common bronchoscopy, they will look at you like an alien.

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jaephoenix:
It doesn't mean the IMGs (International Medical Graduates) are dullards. It simply means we use a different yardstick here. Those IMGs satisfied their foreign trainers who based their assessments on pathologies endemic in their environment, and some management regimen obtained in their climes.
MDCN conduct their exams based on tropical diseases with Nigeria as a case point. Example is Cystic Fibrosis. Its almost impossible to see a Nigerian with this. But its common in the UK etc. So UK trained docs would be quite comfortable managing it. Thus their exams would consist more of such cases. Now look at Sickle Cell Disease. This is endemic in Nigeria and kinda rare in Caucasians. We know how to manage it and thus our exams (and this MDCN assessment) would feature it hugely. A IMG would not know much about it.
I took the exam even though I'm Nigerian trained. Long story

FreeStuffsNG:
Lobatan. Foreign doesn't mean better.They should study harder for the resit. Check my signature for free stuffs!

FreeStuffsNG:
Lobatan. Foreign doesn't mean better.They should study harder for the resit. Check my signature for free stuffs!

Jman06:
That's because there are no checks and balances in our healthcare system.

Nigerians should demand that government opens up an avenue to enable patients and their families sue erring medical personnel and get instant justice from any injuries, deaths or other losses suffered in the course of treatment as a result of negligence on the part of the personnel. This will help our healthcare personnel to sit up in their practices and tone down the overbloated ego.

smart8956:
As a medical student here in CA, I'm not planning not even in my dream of coming down there to work even if it's government appointment. Let me explain for those of you not understanding but rush to comment and condemn those failed students.

1. In your university, what's the typical behaviour of your lecturer compared with those abroad? What's their interest? How do they lecture you and set exams for you? Answer and settle yourself.

2. Type of school/country/ language they study with. There's no student in US, CA, UK, China, Russia or even South Africa that will return to Nigeria to practice except the person is really in love to serve his home community. He/she will comeback not because of money but humanitarian services. For those coming back, 90% is that they study in a country which doesn't permit them to work after their studies. There are a number of such countries. Once your study permit ended you're not allowed to work unless you return home and apply for a work visa. In this case many of them will want to write the mdcn exams just to have the license so any time the return to the country they can practice. Also, they may choose to open their clinic and employ home based Nigerian doctors and they travel back to Europe. Don't forget language barrier in Russia, Ukraine, China and other countries.

3. There's so much bribe and corruption in Nigeria. Do you know how much it's now in Abuja or in your state when you ask a doctor to write/give you a medical report? Visit Abija Wuse General Hospital, National Hospital Abuja to confirm for yourself. So what do you think will happen in other poor states when they heard you're a foreign student coming to write exams? You'll pay bribe in millions. Believe me. Even during the exams you'll see some invigilators circulating answers for those who had paid them. It's business, and it's their time to catch out they don't care just like the average politicians. Everybody want to catch out. Some of these students are already exhausted and coming back home their parents can't afford again. They'll surely failed. How many of you write waec exams yourself? That's a mirror example.

4. Experience is different. You can't compare a medic abroad e.g in Asia, Europe, America, or southern Africa to a medic in West Africa. It's different. The same way when our doctors move to CA, US and fail exams and then turn cap drivers is the same way they fail back home. You think UK, USA or Canada and China will employ a junior doctor from Nigeria who doesn't have atleast 4-6 experience ? You think they just pick doctors from Nigeria anyhow? If that's true, even your neighbour who is a doctor would've migrated longtime. Believe me.

Recently tinubu has united exchange rates and most students abroad will not be able to pay fees and some back home won't be able to travel. This was a planned something with the British government when they say they want to reduce student from bringing their parents. We know already. So please calm down and let those poor students coming back seat up perhaps go to UTH in their states and do something with colleagues, they'll do better in next exams.

Conclusion: Even my mother will disown me If I comeback to say I want to work there after all spending. It's not possible.

livebyday:


Are you not in your 50s? why do you reason like this ? Do you understand the concept of irony sarcasm or even propaganda? Before you start jumping to say foreign doesn't mean betterask for data from which these so called foreign trained students are.from!!

People who studied in Cotonou will also tell you they are foreign trained and it's indeed true but

There is a big difference between a doctor trian3d in Russia Israel, united states United Kingdom South Africa, Egypt , Germany, Australia etc and those trained in Ghana , Niger , Ethiopia etc but on paper they are all foreign trained

Jman06:
I'm sure the MDCN are aware of the peculiarities of the different training environments and as such would base their assessments on general cases. Besides, there's no those foreign trained docs wouldn't have been taught diseases like sickle cell, malaria etc which are endemic in Nigeria if they attended good medical schools abroad.

Jeezuzpick:


Yet our doctors are doing the same thing and succeeding outside while those who trained outside can't do it and aucceed here?

That's funny......

Well, I do know you can't consult reference books or even the internet in an emergency, it's what you have in your brain that you'll use.

DeOTR:

Are you sure you're OK with this your last paragraph?

Even as a non-medical staff who has once worked in the managed care industry, I'm not ignorant of laparascopy. It's a common procedure in our hospitals and I have records of dozens of my clients then that went through it. The damn surgery is on HMO plans.

africanman85:
You have not been a victim of negligence. That's why u are talking that way or probably u are one of this doctors.

ncoolsome:


So y do nigerians do better outside accedimically ??

NinjaMetahuman:
because it's not easy to become a doctor in Nigeria.

The process is rigorous unlike.foreign countries where anyone can become doctor as long as you have money.

You need big score in waec and jamb to even become doctors in naija. You just need big pocket to become one in most foreign countries..

jaephoenix:

Look at what this one is saying?

jaephoenix:

Define Medical Negligence?

jaephoenix:

This is how you know somebody that doesn't know anything.
There are avenues for aggrieved patients and patient relatives to sue doctors and hospitals. In fact my hospital get regular lawsuits and most of them turn out to be frivolous or outright lies. Even this same MDCN entertains complaints from the general public about doctors. So quit bitching and get to court or MDCN if you are sure of what youre saying, instead of disturbing us.
The issue is doctors and hospitals have an oath of doctor patient confidentiality and so risk being struck off or liable if we expose many of these lies you guys tell on social media

jaephoenix:

In fact our exam methodologies here are museum materials.
Yeah. My school had issues with MDCN then in 2005 cos non-physicians like lab scientists etc took up some posts like consultant hematologosts etc. There was serious beef with physicians and non physicians like lab scientists, pharmacists, nurses etc. MDCN just jumped in and discredited my school. And we just finished our final exams. Had to take this MDCN exam in ABUTH Zaria
Quite harrowing

RECTEM:
It still amazes me why anyone would spend so much studying overseas,only to return to Nigeria to hustle for a licence to practice.

Penny wise,pound foolish venture

updatechange:



The number 2 is exactly what I meant by Nigeria trained docs are better than their abroad trained ones.

Zikson:
which Universities in Scotland?

SSpeter:
I beg to differ cos the president said the exam is to test their "Basic" sciences and application, I guess at the fundamental level it doesn't matter if you studied in Iceland, infact most of medical text books you read are foreign

jaephoenix:

Hes a physician