frosbel:

You lost me here, never did it occur to me that I was wounded, me wonders where and when it happened !  

I see you are not yet healed of the injury, well get well soon
.

frosbel:

So why is the crescent the symbol in your mosques and country flags etc. Common who are you kidding !!

Oh I see Christain worship the cross since most Churces have it hanging on. You see you hardly bring concrete evidence, nw you want to get injured in this thread, just like i injured you in the last . . . , now the issue of the crescent became common on Mosques centuries after Muhammad pbuh, hence it is more of a new phenomenon. but please answer the following questions:

The American Flags has stars on them, does it mean Americans worship the star god?


England, Norway, Denmark, etc have Cross on their flags does this mean they worship the cross god?

Churches have cross on their buildings does this mean they worship the cross god?

Syria have an eagle on its' flag does this mean they worship eagles?

Please you can do better than this, bring concrete stuff to the table rather than this Small minded thinking

frosbel:

And how come Allah had 3 daughters and suddenly Mo said , oh dear me, it was a mistake, Satan deceived me.    Could not ALLAH the all knowing have protected Mo from this deception or was he sleeping. Please tell me !

No evidence no answer! as all this have been refuted but bring your proof!

frosbel:

Okay now you have plagiarised this excerpt and edited with my nairaland name. Please post either an excerpt with a source we can refer to or make an original assessment.

Then I will respon in kind. I trust that you will desist from further plagiarism  

I did not plagiarize it I simply wrote what I understand of Reformed Catholicism - Protestantism . I did gave links for you to better understand how your dubious Protestantism came about, since you again have shown you can not refute the content of what I wrote, I take it you simply have no answer,as this plagiarism claim is more of a diversion. I reassert that Protestants have indicted Christianity as a whole by claiming that the Vatican is a Harlot this would mean that Jesus pbuh after all the troubles he underwent could only produce a harlot Church, and God did nothing to change the situation until the 1500 years after Jesus. This is the greatest Indictment on Christianity any Christian can ever make!

vedaxcool:

I will giv you more precedence over frosbel, since he has blocked his heart. Now on that verse, I will give you the simple task of asking yourself, why do all countries in the world have standing army? DO you know that America spends billions of Dollars maintaining its army? Now to answer your simple question. This verse was revealed during the period when Muslims were under constant threat of war from the Paganistic meccans. Now amongst the ranks of Muslims there were some who did not want to fight, Hence Allah said to them Fighting is required from you, note Throughout the conflicts of  between Muslims and the pagans the pagans were the ones who started the war, they hated Islam and wanted to extinguish the light Allah brought for mankind, to cut a long story short, this verse reminded the muslims that fighting is compulsory for them because if they do not fight they will be killed. Hence those hating fighting in such conditions would be doing himself and his family a great disservice as no man would like to see his wife and children slaughtered.

In Islam it is seen as a virtuous act to defend yourself and family and even your country from invaders, hence this verse refers to the situation in which the Hypocrites those who pretended to be Muslims, pretended not to be well or strong enough to fight during the wars instituted by the pagans. Allah here indicated that those who stayed back cannot e compared to those who went out fighting.

Now, Remember the following:

That it is wrong to defend and repel attack on your person or country.

It is virtuous to fight against people who want to harm you or your family


All wars fought against the pagans were actually started by the Pagans the Muslims simply did the virtuous thing by defending themselves and community from such attack.

Hope this answers your question

ok next question

If (like you said) Allah told you guys to fight/kill to defend yourself against the pagans/infidels back then, does it still apply to today? lets take what has happened and still happening at home for example, the killings of Christians (some innocent some not) and little children (who are as pure as Angels) in the North where we have large % of Muslims and when you come down to the South were we have Christians, you will never hear of Such Killings.

So is your religion a religion of peace or of war/killing? judging from what has happened and still happening in Northern part of Home (2001-Date)

vedaxcool:

I will giv you more precedence over frosbel, since he has blocked his heart

Indeed I have blocked all my faculties from listening to the falsehood of your concepts

Now on that verse, I will give you the simple task of asking yourself, why do all countries in the world have standing army?

For defence.

DO you know that America spends billions of Dollars maintaining its army?

Common knowledge

Now to answer your simple question. This verse was revealed during the period when Muslims were under constant threat of war from the Paganistic meccans. Now amongst the ranks of Muslims there were some who did not want to fight, Hence Allah said to them Fighting is required from you, note Throughout the conflicts of  between Muslims and the pagans the pagans were the ones who started the war, they hated Islam and wanted to extinguish the light Allah brought for mankind, to cut a long story short, this verse reminded the muslims that fighting is compulsory for them because if they do not fight they will be killed. Hence those hating fighting in such conditions would be doing himself and his family a great disservice as no man would like to see his wife and children slaughtered.

Liar

What about the Jihad against Persia, the Eastern Roman empire , Egypt and even Nigeria ? Were these wars of defence, were they not conquests to spread your deception worldwide  

Thank GOD it was halted .

In Islam it is seen as a virtuous act to defend yourself and family and even your country from invaders, hence this verse refers to the situation in which the Hypocrites those who pretended to be Muslims, pretended not to be well or strong enough to fight during the wars instituted by the pagans. Allah here indicated that those who stayed back cannot e compared to those who went out fighting.

And still many bombists and suicide addicts use these same verses to blow themselves into smithereens.  

Now, Remember the following:That it is wrong to defend and repel attack on your person or country.

Was the forced conversion of Northen Nigeria by Uthman Dan Fodio a war of defence.

Listen to yourself, does it make one iota of sense.

It is virtuous to fight against people who want to harm you or your family

The Jews that Muhammad slaughtered , 600 - 900 of them, because they rejected his false ramblings, was this defending your family

What about the thousands of Christians slaughtered like goats in Kano, Kaduna etc etc , where these incidents of self - defence.

Why do you lie so blatantly  

Please do not insult our intelligence with all these nonsense twists !

All wars fought against the pagans were actually started by the Pagans the Muslims simply did the virtuous thing by defending themselves and community from such attack.

They kicked him out of Mecca and rightly so.

He came back at a later date with his hordes of followers and attacked and massacred the pagans.

Hope this answers your question

No it does not.

It has raised more questions than answers.

Your excuses for Mo ( PBUH ) are laughable and will not stand the smallest piece of scrutiny in a court of law.

Good night !!!

vedaxcool:

I see you are not yet healed of the injury, well get well soon 

You seem to be referring to some one else !

Oh I see Christain worship the cross since most Churces have it hanging on. You see you hardly bring concrete evidence, nw you want to get injured in this thread, just like i injured you in the last .    .        . , now the issue of the crescent became common on Mosques centuries after Muhammad pbuh, hence it is more of a new phenomenon. but please answer the following questions:

Don't flatter yourself , I only left the ISLAM section and also stopped raising further articles for the sake of civility and respect.

The American Flags has stars on them, does it mean Americans worship the star god?

No, because it is not documented anywhere , historically speaking that they did.

England, Norway, Denmark, etc have Cross on their flags does this mean they worship the cross god?

You know what the cross stands for I would have thought !

Churches have cross on their buildings does this mean they worship the cross god?

Jesus Christ died on a Cross , this is an emblem of rememberance and identification.

The crescent on the contrary is derviced historically and archeologically from pre-Islam pagan sources.

Example

Syria have an eagle on its' flag does this mean they worship eagles?

Syria is a socialist secular state.

I did not plagiarize it I simply wrote what I understand of Reformed Catholicism - Protestantism . I did gave links for you to better understand how your dubious Protestantism came about, since you again have shown you can not refute the content of what I wrote, I take it you simply have no answer,as this plagiarism claim is more of a diversion.

I am fully up to the task, heavily resourced and mentally capable of debating you on this issue.

However I see plagiarim as a sign of dishonesty.

I reassert that Protestants have indicted Christianity as a whole by claiming that the Vatican is a Harlot this would mean that Jesus pbuh after all the troubles he underwent could only produce a harlot Church,

The church you see is the physical. The real church, the bride of Christ is made up of true believers worldwide , consisting of believers from diverse physical churches worldwide.

and God did nothing to change the situation until the 1500 years after Jesus. This is  the greatest Indictment on Christianity any Christian can ever make!

History , History my friend.

You have the truths in your face but make a sharp swerve around them for the cheap purpose of making a point.

Jesus is LORD and his TOMB is empty.

Can you say the same about Mo ( PBUH ) ?  I think not.

Peace !

Gotta go my nbat is low mail will answer you when i can Nitty night

[Quote]Jesus is LORD and his TOMB is empty.

Can you say the same about Mo ( PBUH ) ? I think not.[/Quote]So when a tomb is empty, thats the proof that the one it was dug for is LORD? Fortunately, no one dug a tomb for Jesus because he didn't die. If he had died, he would have remained dead. If he had risen, he would not be walking the back alley avoiding the Jews from making a new attempt to kill him.

I wonder if frosbel knows that Muslims never worshiped the moon, star, sun, etc, anything created, ever, while the christians worship a man, and according to him above, gets attached with the cross in honor of a assumed death?

And not all mosque carried star and crescent of Ottoman caliphate. The mosque of mosques is Haram in Makka. Is there a star and crescent on it? What about the second most important mosque in Madina? What about the Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem? What about Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem that can be assumed as 4th in historical importance? None of these has the Ottomn Turk's Crescent and Star. Most mosques around the world do not have crescent and star.

Sweetnecta:

So when a tomb is empty, thats the proof that the one it was dug for is LORD? Fortunately, no one dug a tomb for Jesus because he didn't die. If he had died, he would have remained dead. If he had risen, he would not be walking the back alley avoiding the Jews from making a new attempt to kill him.

He did not die       

So that means Jesus is more special than Mo.

Because Mo died but Jesus 'did not ' he is with God , while Mo ( PBUH ) is buried in a tomb.

Now tell me who is the real prophet.

You will make a very good comedian !!!

frosbel:

He did not die       

So that means Jesus is more special than Mo.

Because Mo died but Jesus 'did not ' he is with God , while Mo ( PBUH ) is buried in a tomb.

Now tell me who is the real prophet.

You will make a very good comedian !!!

You don't have to ague with anyone concerning what you know is the truth, they will never believe you, i read someone saying we Christians Worship a man, what he forgot to mention is that, he (Jesus Christ) is not an ordinary man, there are three great men in the bible, two of them did not die, the where-about of one was unknown cos he walked with God, the other was taken in spirit and in person and the last died, buried and on the third day just as he told his disciples, he resurrected.

The funniest part of it all is that, he gave his life so that this ignorant fools can be saved and yet they spit on his name, say blasphemous words against him.

Most of you here will still reply me and ask me how i know if he actually resurrected, if i were there, well, to answer you IGNORANT BSTS, i was not there when it all started nor was i there when it ended, but i have come to believe in HIM and he has made HIMSELF known to me, both in spirit and in person, HE (Jesus Christ) told us allot of things like, we should not judge other people/religion because we were not there when all the deals went down and for those of you who think Islam is better/peaceful than Christianity, let it be to you according to your faith.

We (humans) do not actually know anything, seriously we do not, most people say there is no God, i wonder who created the man and woman who came together to produce them, i wonder how this world was created and please spare me the Big Bang Bs.

to cut the long story short, to my own opinion, i do not think Islam is in anyway better/peaceful than Christianity and my advice to you frosbel whoever you are, its high time you stop wasting your time with this FOOLS cos they will never understand you. Muslims think if they kill someone in the name of Allah they are doing him a favour, the funniest part of all this is that Lord Jesus said it in John 16:2 "They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God." do you see the reason why i choose to follow Christ? the Muslims think if they kill a Christian they are doing God a favour, very funny.

I want to ask a true Muslim this question, do you really think you are better than a True Christian/Follower of Jesus Christ?

So many so-called pastors has and are still given Christianity a bad name, God will surely judge them, they can not escape it.

Peace and blessings be upon y'all

@Mail4gift2 and frosbel: « #71 on: Today at 07:33:49 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: frosbel on Today at 04:45:29 PM
He did not die [/b]Huh Grin

So that means Jesus is more special than Mo.

Because Mo died but Jesus 'did not ' he is with God , while Mo ( PBUH ) is buried in a tomb.

Now tell me who is [b]the real prophet. Undecided

You will make a very good comedian !!![/Quote]I am a comedian because Jesus did not then, but before that Adam and Eve, etc including The Best Friend of God, Abraham, The one God spoke to directly, Moses, The one who fought God and man and won over them, Jacob [read your Bible about the fight where Jacob defeated every opponent that night], David that Has the best voice, Solomon who was the most wise, John who was the greatest Prophet Israel ever had, and after these men and after Jesus escaped death and had been lifted, Muhammad [as] the only post Jesus prophet; every one of them died. So because Jesus didn't die, these men who died are no prophets? By the way Elijah was taken up to the heavens without dying. And the death of Enoch didn't occur on earth but in 4th heavens, higher than the 2nd where Jesus and John are lodged. I am sure you cant find this bit of information in your Bible. And Torah does not have them. Ask a Rabbi.



[Quote]You don't have to argue with anyone concerning what you know is the truth, they will never believe you, i read someone saying we Christians Worship a man, what he forgot to mention is that, he (Jesus Christ) is not an ordinary man, there are three great men in the bible, two of them did not die, the where-about of one was unknown cos he walked with God, the other was taken in spirit and in person and the last died, buried and on the third day just as he told his disciples, he resurrected.[/Quote]Frosbel, now you see that Jesus was not alone among those who have not tasted death. But a man is a man, whether ordinary or no, mail4gift2. Jesus didnt say he will spend 3 days, 3 days and 3 nights. Anything short of or more than 3 days and 3 nights, the who prophetic statement is found to be incorrect. Please find me 3 days and 3 nights.

Sweetnecta:

@Mail4gift2 and frosbel: « #71 on: Today at 07:33:49 PM »I am a comedian because Jesus did not then, but before that Adam and Eve, etc including The Best Friend of God, Abraham, The one God spoke to directly, Moses, The one who fought God and man and won over them, Jacob [read your Bible about the fight where Jacob defeated every opponent that night], David that Has the best voice, Solomon who was the most wise, John who was the greatest Prophet Israel ever had, and after these men and after Jesus escaped death and had been lifted, Muhammad [as] the only post Jesus prophet; every one of them died. So because Jesus didn't die, these men who died are no prophets? By the way Elijah was taken up to the heavens without dying. And the death of Enoch didn't occur on earth but in 4th heavens, higher than the 2nd where Jesus and John are lodged. I am sure you cant find this bit of information in your Bible. And Torah does not have them. Ask a Rabbi.


Frosbel, now you see that Jesus was not alone among those who have not tasted death. But a man is a man, whether ordinary or no, mail4gift2. Jesus didnt say he will spend 3 days, 3 days and 3 nights. Anything short of or more than 3 days and 3 nights, the who prophetic statement is found to be incorrect. Please find me 3 days and 3 nights.

am not going to do this with you, trust me, believe in whatever you want to and let me believe in whatever i want to.

if you ask 10000 people one question, i bet you will get 10000 different answers, use ur own tongue to count your teeth.

mail4gift2:

ok next question

If (like you said) Allah told you guys to fight/kill to defend yourself against the pagans/infidels back then, does it still apply to today? lets take what has happened and still happening at home for example, the killings of Christians (some innocent some not) and little children (who are as pure as Angels) in the North where we have large % of Muslims and when you come down to the South were we have Christians, you will never hear of Such Killings.

So is your religion a religion of peace or of war/killing? judging from what has happened and still happening in Northern part of Home (2001-Date)

Muslims are required to defend themselves, even common sense requires that you defend yourself from harm. Now on the issue of Muslims committing violence against people of other faiths without recourse to the law of the land, I say such violence are not sanctioned by any the rules of Islam, Islam was the first religion to bring what we come to know as the Rules of Engagement, now Islam expressly forbid that Civilians should be killed during war, it goes on and rejects burning trees or destruction of life stock, if you are conversant with the bible Joshua was instructed to kill and massacre entire population to the extent of not sparing trees, in Islam there is no such precedence. Now why are Muslims in the North killing non Muslims? I say it is wrong to judge an entire population on the actions of a few people even statistically that is not accepted, this indicates that it is unscientific to make such statements. Now it is surprising that you fail to mention that muslims are also killed in all this sort of crisis. I think we should be objective when it comes to making deductions on issue.

Now let me give you a simple test, using your form of thinking would it be right to say the following are violent people:

Martin Luther called for the persecution of the Jews for rejecting christ, i ask would you be ready to certify that he is violent?


In Norway recently a man kiled scores of people in order to stop Islam from spreading, would you be willing to say Christianity is iolent based on this action?

In Nigeria Rev. King Burnt his follower thereby causing serious bodily harm toher, would you say Christianity doctrine is violent since rev. King claimed that he wanted to perform fire baptism?

^^^^

The Jews that Muhammad slaughtered , 600 - 900 of them, because they rejected his false ramblings, was this defending your family

What about the thousands of Christians slaughtered like goats in Kano, Kaduna etc etc , where these incidents of self - defence.

What about the Jihad against Persia, the Eastern Roman empire , Egypt and even Nigeria ? Were these wars of defence, were they not conquests to spread your deception worldwide.

In any case, you can quote what Joshua did 4000 thousand years ago, but with ISLAM these killings have never stopped up to the 21st century.

frosbel:

You seem to be referring to some one else !

Still in Denial! maybe it is his pain coping mechanism  

frosbel:

Don't flatter yourself , I only left the ISLAM section and also stopped raising further articles for the sake of civility and respect.

the substance of the response u dogded,, how funny what was central to the response like Oh I see Christain worship the cross since most Churces have it hanging on. You see you hardly bring concrete evidence, nw you want to get injured in this thread, just like i injured you in the last .    .        . , now the issue of the crescent became common on Mosques centuries after Muhammad pbuh, hence it is more of a new phenomenon. but please answer the following questions:


Keep dodging what you cannot refute!

frosbel:

No, because it is not documented anywhere , historically speaking that they did.

Likewise No, Muslims do not worship the moon because no historical evidence points to such lies! No Islamic doctrine requires Muslims to worship the moon, no historical evidence can prove that the prophet Muhammad pbuh worship[rf the moon.

frosbel:

You know what the cross stands for I would have thought !

same way I thought you knew what the moon stands for!

frosbel:

Jesus Christ died on a Cross , this is an emblem of rememberance and identification.

The crescent on the contrary is derviced historically and archeologically from pre-Islam pagan sources.

Example

likewise the cross :The evidence for its pagan origin is so convincing that The Catholic Encyclopedia admits that "the sign of the cross, represented in its simplest form by a crossing of two lines at right angles, greatly antedates, in both East and the West, the introduction of Christianity. It goes back to a very remote period of human civilization." It then continues and refers to the Tau cross of the pagan Egyptians, "In later times the Egyptian Christians (Copts), attracted by its form, and perhaps by its symbolism, adopted it as the emblem of the cross." [12]

http://thewordsofeternallife.com/cross.html

The moon the Qur'an states shows fixed period of time. The same QUr'an states that Allah created the moon. this are hard facts on the ground. like I indicated before moon appearing on mosques or flags started long after the time of the Holy prophet Muhammad pbuh.

frosbel:

Syria is a socialist secular state.

Using your poor logic Syrians worship eagles because it appears on their flag.  

frosbel:

I am fully up to the task, heavily resourced and mentally capable of debating you on this issue.

, fraudbel! I do not take prisoners  

frosbel:

However I see plagiarim as a sign of dishonesty.

I see you finding it difficult replying  

frosbel:

The church you see is the physical. The real church, the bride of Christ is made up of true believers worldwide , consisting of believers from diverse physical churches worldwide.

lol!   this man fail to see that the Harlot (Catholicism) gave the reformed harlot (Protestantism) all what they know about Christianity, in fact the Harlot got rid of books she did not like, the reformed Harrlot never asked where those books, in fact the only difference between the Harlot and the reformed Harlot centers around the trowing of some books and the issue of works vs faith, on the principles the Two halots are almost alike. It remains baffling that Jesus sweat and blood produced a Harlot church which formulated doctrines of the churches as we know. In fact the Reformed Harlot seemed to like ignoring the Old testament while the harlot prefers reading them, this still indicts christianity as Harlot and Reformed Harlot are only interested on how to milk their customers!  

frosbel:

History , History my friend.


You have the truths in your face but make a sharp swerve around them for the cheap purpose of making a point.

Jesus is LORD and his TOMB is empty.

Can you say the same about Mo ( PBUH ) ?  I think not.

Peace !

Funny Adam does not have Tomb, Moses does not have a tomb, Jesus tomb please where is it? You do not expect me to follow my Lord my Lord why have thou forsaken me, do you   . A man that can be forsaken can not be depended upon to save.

mail4gift2:


i could only past the last page cos that's where the whole summary is

Thanks for your effort in pasting that page, I couldn't do it.

OLAADEGBU:

Did the Vatican Create Islam?

The Vatican wanted to create a messiah for the Arabs.  Someone they could raise up as a great leader, a man with charisma whom they could train, and eventually unite all the non-Catholic Arabs behind him, creating a mighty army that would ultimately capture Jerusalem for the pope.

In the Vatican briefing, Cardinal Bea told this story:

"A wealthy Arabian lady who was a faithful follower of the pope played a tremendous part in this drama.  She was a widow named Khadijah.  She gave her wealth to the church and retired to a convent, but was given an assignment.  She was to find a brilliant young man who could be used by the Vatican to create a new religion and become the messiah for the children of Ishmael.  Khadijah had a cousin named Waraquah, who was also a very faithful Roman Catholic and the Vatican placed him in a critical role as Muhammad's advisor.  He had tremendous influence on Muhammad.

Teachers were sent to young Muhammad and he had intensive training.  Muhammad studied the works of St. Augustine which prepared him for his "great calling."  The Vatican had Catholic Arabs across North Africa spread the story of a great one who was about to rise up among the people and be the chosen one of their God.

While Muhammad was being prepared, he was told that his enemies were the Jews and that the only true Christians were Roman Catholic.  He was taught that others calling themselves Christians were actually wicked impostors and should be destroyed.  Many Muslims believe this. 

Muhammad began receiving "divine revelations" and his wife's Catholic cousin Waraquah helped interprete them.  From this came the Qur'an.  In the fifth year of Muhammad's mission, persecution came against his followers because they refused to worship the idols in the Kaaba.

Muhammad instructed some of them to flee into Abysinnia where Negus, the Roman Catholic king accepted them because Muhammad's views on the Virgin Mary were so close to Roman Catholic doctrine.  These Muslims received protection from Catholic kings because of Muhammad's revelations.

Muhammad later conquered Mecca and the Kaaba was cleared of idols.  History proves that before Islam came into existence, the Sabeans in Arabia worshipped the moon-god who was married to the sun-god.  They gave birth to three goddesses who were worshipped throughout the Arab world as "Daughters of Allah."  An idol excavated at Hazor in Palestine in 1950's shows Allah sitting on a throne with the crescent moon on his chest."

Continued.

"Muhammad claimed he had a vision from Allah and was told "You are the messenger of Allah."  This began his career as a prophet and he received many messages.  By the time Muhammad died, the religion of Islam was exploding.  The nomadic Arab tribes were forming forces in the name of Allah and his prophet, Muhammad.  Some of Muhammad's writings were placed in the Qur'an, others were never published.  They are now in the hands of high ranking holy men (Ayatollahs) in the Islamic faith.

When Cardinal Bea shared with Rivera in the Vatican, he said, these writings are guarded because they contain information that links the Vatican to the creation of Islam.  Both sides have so much information on each other, that if exposed, it could create such a scandal that it would be a disaster for both religions.

In their "holy book", the Qur'an, Christ is regarded as only a prophet.  If the pope was his representative on earth, then he also must be a prophet of God.  This caused the followers of Muhammad to fear and respect the pope as another "holy man".

"The pope moved quickly and issued bulls granting the Arab generals permission to invade and conquer the nations of North Africa.  The Vatican helped to finance the building of these massive Islamic armies in exchange for three favours:

1. Eliminate the Jews and Christians (true believers which they called infidels).

2. Protect the Augustinian Monks and Roman Catholics.

3. Conquer Jerusalem for "His Holiness" in the Vatican.

As time went by, the power of Islam became tremendous -- Jews and true Christians were slaughtered, and Jerusalem fell into their hands.  Roman Catholics were never attacked, nor were their shrines, during this time.  But when the pope asked for Jerusalem, he was surprised at their denial!  The Arab generals had such military success that they could not be intimidated by the pope -- nothing could stand in the way of their own plan.

Under Waraquah's direction, Muhammad wrote that Abraham offered Ishmael as a sacrifice.  The Bible says that Isaac was the sacrifice, but Muhammad removed Isaac's name and inserted Ishmael's name.  As a result of this and Muhammad's vision, the faithful Muslims built a mosque, the Dome of the Rock, in Ishmael's honour on the site of the Jewish temple that was destroyed in 70 AD.  This made Jerusalem the second most holy place in the Islam faith."  To be continued.

OLAADEGBU:

Continued.

"Muhammad claimed he had a vision from Allah and was told "You are the messenger of Allah."  This began his career as a prophet and he received many messages.  By the time Muhammad died, the religion of Islam was exploding.  The nomadic Arab tribes were forming forces in the name of Allah and his prophet, Muhammad.  Some of Muhammad's writings were placed in the Qur'an, others were never published.  They are now in the hands of high ranking holy men (Ayatollahs) in the Islamic faith.

When Cardinal Bea shared with Rivera in the Vatican, he said, these writings are guarded because they contain information that links the Vatican to the creation of Islam.  Both sides have so much information on each other, that if exposed, it could create such a scandal that it would be a disaster for both religions.

In their "holy book", the Qur'an, Christ is regarded as only a prophet.  If the pope was his representative on earth, then he also must be a prophet of God.  This caused the followers of Muhammad to fear and respect the pope as another "holy man".

"The pope moved quickly and issued bulls granting the Arab generals permission to invade and conquer the nations of North Africa.  The Vatican helped to finance the building of these massive Islamic armies in exchange for three favours:

1. Eliminate the Jews and Christians (true believers which they called infidels).

2. Protect the Augustinian Monks and Roman Catholics.

3. Conquer Jerusalem for "His Holiness" in the Vatican.

As time went by, the power of Islam became tremendous -- Jews and true Christians were slaughtered, and Jerusalem fell into their hands.  Roman Catholics were never attacked, nor were their shrines, during this time.  But when the pope asked for Jerusalem, he was surprised at their denial!  The Arab generals had such military success that they could not be intimidated by the pope -- nothing could stand in the way of their own plan.

Under Waraquah's direction, Muhammad wrote that Abraham offered Ishmael as a sacrifice.  The Bible says that Isaac was the sacrifice, but Muhammad removed Isaac's name and inserted Ishmael's name.  As a result of this and Muhammad's vision, the faithful Muslims built a mosque, the Dome of the Rock, in Ishmael's honour on the site of the Jewish temple that was destroyed in 70 AD.  This made Jerusalem the second most holy place in the Islam faith."  To be continued.

Did the Vatican Create Islam? (Continued).

"The pope realised what they had created was out of control when he heard they were calling "His Holiness" an infidel.  The Muslim generals were determined to conquer the world for Allah and now they turned towards Europe.  Islamic ambassadors approached the pope and asked for papal bulls to give them permission to invade European countries.

The Vatican was outraged, war was inevitable.  Temporal power and control of the world was considered the basic right of the pope.  He wouldn't think of sharing it with those whom he considered heathens.

The pope raised up his armies and called them Crusades to hold back the children of Ishmael from grabbing Catholic Europe.  The Crusades lasted centuries and Jerusalem slipped out of the pope's hands.

Turkey fell and Spain and Portugal were invaded by Islamic forces.  In Portugal, they called a Mountain village "Fatima" in honour of Muhammad's daughter, never dreaming it would become world famous.

Years later when the Muslim armies were posted on the islands of Sardinia and Corsica, to invade Italy, these was a serious problem.  The Islamic generals realised they were too far extended.  It was time for peace talks.  One of the negotiators was Francis of Assisi.

As a result the Muslims were allowed to occupy Turkey in a "Christian" world, and Catholics were allowed to occupy Lebanon in the Arab world.  It was also agreed that the Muslims could build mosques in Catholic countries without interference as long as Roman Catholicism could flourish in Arab countries.

Cardinal Bea told Alberto Rivera in Vatican briefings that both the Muslims and Roman Catholic agreed to block and destroy the efforts of their common enemy, Bible believing Christian missionaries.  Through these concordats, satan blocked the children of Ishmael from knowledge of Scripture and the truth."  To be continued.

OLAADEGBU:

Did the Vatican Create Islam? (Continued).

"The pope realised what they had created was out of control when he heard they were calling "His Holiness" an infidel. The Muslim generals were determined to conquer the world for Allah and now they turned towards Europe. Islamic ambassadors approached the pope and asked for papal bulls to give them permission to invade European countries.

The Vatican was outraged, war was inevitable. Temporal power and control of the world was considered the basic right of the pope. He wouldn't think of sharing it with those whom he considered heathens.

The pope raised up his armies and called them Crusades to hold back the children of Ishmael from grabbing Catholic Europe. The Crusades lasted centuries and Jerusalem slipped out of the pope's hands.

Turkey fell and Spain and Portugal were invaded by Islamic forces. In Portugal, they called a Mountain village "Fatima" in honour of Muhammad's daughter, never dreaming it would become world famous.

Years later when the Muslim armies were posted on the islands of Sardinia and Corsica, to invade Italy, these was a serious problem. The Islamic generals realised they were too far extended. It was time for peace talks. One of the negotiators was Francis of Assisi.

As a result the Muslims were allowed to occupy Turkey in a "Christian" world, and Catholics were allowed to occupy Lebanon in the Arab world. It was also agreed that the Muslims could build mosques in Catholic countries without interference as long as Roman Catholicism could flourish in Arab countries.

Cardinal Bea told Alberto Rivera in Vatican briefings that both the Muslims and Roman Catholic agreed to block and destroy the efforts of their common enemy, Bible believing Christian missionaries. Through these concordats, satan blocked the children of Ishmael from knowledge of Scripture and the truth." To be continued.

Is there anyway this can be moved to the frontpage?

mail4gift2:

Is there anyway this can be moved to the frontpage?

Yes.  You can cut and paste it to the front page, but let me type the concluding part before you do this.

Did the Vatican Create Islam? (Continued).

"A light control was kept on Muslims from the Ayatollah down through the Islamic priests, nuns and monks.  The Vatican also engineers a campaign of hatred between the Muslim Arabs and the Jews.  Before this, they had co-existed peacefully.  The Islamic community looks on the Bible-believing missionary as a devil who brings poison to the children of Allah.  This explains years of ministry in those countries with little results.  The next plan was to control Islam. 

In 1910, Portugal was going socialistic.  Red flags were appearing and the Catholic Church was facing a major problem.  Increasing numbers were against the church.  The Jesuits wanted Russia involved, and the location of this vision at Fatima could play a key part in pulling down Islam to the Mother Church.  In 1917, the Virgin appeared in Fatima.  "The Mother of God" was a smashing success, playing to overflow crowds,  as a result, the Socialists of Portugal suffered a major defeat.

Roman Catholics world-wide began praying for the conversion of Russia and the Jesuits invented the Novenas to Fatima which they could perform throughout North Africa, spreading good public relations to the Muslim world.  The Arabs thought they were honouring the daughter of Muhammad, which is what the Jesuits wanted them to believe.  As a result of the vision of Fatima, Pope Pius XII ordered his Nazi army to crush Russia and the Orthodox religion and make Russia Roman Catholic.

A few years after he lost WWII, Pope Pius XII startled the world with his phoney dancing sun vision to keep Fatima in the news.  It was great religious show biz. and the world swallowed it.  Not surprisingly, Pope Pius was the only one to see this vision.  As a result, a group of followers has grown into a Blue Army world-wide, totalling millions of faithful Roman Catholics ready to die for the blessed virgin.

The Jesuits have their Virgin Mary scheduled to appear four or five times in China, Russia and major appearance in U.S.  Our Lady's appearances at Fatima marked the turning point in the history of the world's 350 million Muslims.

After the death of his daughter, Muhammad wrote that she "is the most holy of all women in Paradise, next to Mary."  He believed that the Virgin Mary chose to be known as our Lady of Fatima as a sign and a pledge that the Muslims who believe in Christ's Virgin birth, will come to believe in His divinity.

Bishop Sheen pointed out that the Pilgrim virgin status of Our Lady of Fatima were enthusiastically received by Muslims in Africa, India and elsewhere, and that many Muslims are now coming into the Roman Catholic Church."

Did the Vatican Create Islam?

The Vatican wanted to create a messiah for the Arabs. Someone they could raise up as a great leader, a man with charisma whom they could train, and eventually unite all the non-Catholic Arabs behind him, creating a mighty army that would ultimately capture Jerusalem for the pope.

In the Vatican briefing, Cardinal Bea told this story:

"A wealthy Arabian lady who was a faithful follower of the pope played a tremendous part in this drama. She was a widow named Khadijah. She gave her wealth to the church and retired to a convent, but was given an assignment. She was to find a brilliant young man who could be used by the Vatican to create a new religion and become the messiah for the children of Ishmael. Khadijah had a cousin named Waraquah, who was also a very faithful Roman Catholic and the Vatican placed him in a critical role as Muhammad's advisor. He had tremendous influence on Muhammad.

Teachers were sent to young Muhammad and he had intensive training. Muhammad studied the works of St. Augustine which prepared him for his "great calling." The Vatican had Catholic Arabs across North Africa spread the story of a great one who was about to rise up among the people and be the chosen one of their God.

While Muhammad was being prepared, he was told that his enemies were the Jews and that the only true Christians were Roman Catholic. He was taught that others calling themselves Christians were actually wicked impostors and should be destroyed. Many Muslims believe this.

Muhammad began receiving "divine revelations" and his wife's Catholic cousin Waraquah helped interprete them. From this came the Qur'an. In the fifth year of Muhammad's mission, persecution came against his followers because they refused to worship the idols in the Kaaba.

Muhammad instructed some of them to flee into Abysinnia where Negus, the Roman Catholic king accepted them because Muhammad's views on the Virgin Mary were so close to Roman Catholic doctrine. These Muslims received protection from Catholic kings because of Muhammad's revelations.

Muhammad later conquered Mecca and the Kaaba was cleared of idols. History proves that before Islam came into existence, the Sabeans in Arabia worshipped the moon-god who was married to the sun-god. They gave birth to three goddesses who were worshipped throughout the Arab world as "Daughters of Allah." An idol excavated at Hazor in Palestine in 1950's shows Allah sitting on a throne with the crescent moon on his chest."

"Muhammad claimed he had a vision from Allah and was told "You are the messenger of Allah." This began his career as a prophet and he received many messages. By the time Muhammad died, the religion of Islam was exploding. The nomadic Arab tribes were forming forces in the name of Allah and his prophet, Muhammad. Some of Muhammad's writings were placed in the Qur'an, others were never published. They are now in the hands of high ranking holy men (Ayatollahs) in the Islamic faith.

When Cardinal Bea shared with Rivera in the Vatican, he said, these writings are guarded because they contain information that links the Vatican to the creation of Islam. Both sides have so much information on each other, that if exposed, it could create such a scandal that it would be a disaster for both religions.

In their "holy book", the Qur'an, Christ is regarded as only a prophet. If the pope was his representative on earth, then he also must be a prophet of God. This caused the followers of Muhammad to fear and respect the pope as another "holy man".

"The pope moved quickly and issued bulls granting the Arab generals permission to invade and conquer the nations of North Africa. The Vatican helped to finance the building of these massive Islamic armies in exchange for three favours:

1. Eliminate the Jews and Christians (true believers which they called infidels).

2. Protect the Augustinian Monks and Roman Catholics.

3. Conquer Jerusalem for "His Holiness" in the Vatican.

As time went by, the power of Islam became tremendous -- Jews and true Christians were slaughtered, and Jerusalem fell into their hands. Roman Catholics were never attacked, nor were their shrines, during this time. But when the pope asked for Jerusalem, he was surprised at their denial! The Arab generals had such military success that they could not be intimidated by the pope -- nothing could stand in the way of their own plan.

Under Waraquah's direction, Muhammad wrote that Abraham offered Ishmael as a sacrifice. The Bible says that Isaac was the sacrifice, but Muhammad removed Isaac's name and inserted Ishmael's name. As a result of this and Muhammad's vision, the faithful Muslims built a mosque, the Dome of the Rock, in Ishmael's honour on the site of the Jewish temple that was destroyed in 70 AD. This made Jerusalem the second most holy place in the Islam faith." To be continued.

"The pope realised what they had created was out of control when he heard they were calling "His Holiness" an infidel. The Muslim generals were determined to conquer the world for Allah and now they turned towards Europe. Islamic ambassadors approached the pope and asked for papal bulls to give them permission to invade European countries.

The Vatican was outraged, war was inevitable. Temporal power and control of the world was considered the basic right of the pope. He wouldn't think of sharing it with those whom he considered heathens.

The pope raised up his armies and called them Crusades to hold back the children of Ishmael from grabbing Catholic Europe. The Crusades lasted centuries and Jerusalem slipped out of the pope's hands.

Turkey fell and Spain and Portugal were invaded by Islamic forces. In Portugal, they called a Mountain village "Fatima" in honour of Muhammad's daughter, never dreaming it would become world famous.

Years later when the Muslim armies were posted on the islands of Sardinia and Corsica, to invade Italy, these was a serious problem. The Islamic generals realised they were too far extended. It was time for peace talks. One of the negotiators was Francis of Assisi.

As a result the Muslims were allowed to occupy Turkey in a "Christian" world, and Catholics were allowed to occupy Lebanon in the Arab world. It was also agreed that the Muslims could build mosques in Catholic countries without interference as long as Roman Catholicism could flourish in Arab countries.

Cardinal Bea told Alberto Rivera in Vatican briefings that both the Muslims and Roman Catholic agreed to block and destroy the efforts of their common enemy, Bible believing Christian missionaries. Through these concordats, satan blocked the children of Ishmael from knowledge of Scripture and the truth." To be continued.
"A light control was kept on Muslims from the Ayatollah down through the Islamic priests, nuns and monks. The Vatican also engineers a campaign of hatred between the Muslim Arabs and the Jews. Before this, they had co-existed peacefully. The Islamic community looks on the Bible-believing missionary as a devil who brings poison to the children of Allah. This explains years of ministry in those countries with little results. The next plan was to control Islam.

In 1910, Portugal was going socialistic. Red flags were appearing and the Catholic Church was facing a major problem. Increasing numbers were against the church. The Jesuits wanted Russia involved, and the location of this vision at Fatima could play a key part in pulling down Islam to the Mother Church. In 1917, the Virgin appeared in Fatima. "The Mother of God" was a smashing success, playing to overflow crowds, as a result, the Socialists of Portugal suffered a major defeat.

Roman Catholics world-wide began praying for the conversion of Russia and the Jesuits invented the Novenas to Fatima which they could perform throughout North Africa, spreading good public relations to the Muslim world. The Arabs thought they were honouring the daughter of Muhammad, which is what the Jesuits wanted them to believe. As a result of the vision of Fatima, Pope Pius XII ordered his Nazi army to crush Russia and the Orthodox religion and make Russia Roman Catholic.

A few years after he lost WWII, Pope Pius XII startled the world with his phoney dancing sun vision to keep Fatima in the news. It was great religious show biz. and the world swallowed it. Not surprisingly, Pope Pius was the only one to see this vision. As a result, a group of followers has grown into a Blue Army world-wide, totalling millions of faithful Roman Catholics ready to die for the blessed virgin.

The Jesuits have their Virgin Mary scheduled to appear four or five times in China, Russia and major appearance in U.S. Our Lady's appearances at Fatima marked the turning point in the history of the world's 350 million Muslims.

After the death of his daughter, Muhammad wrote that she "is the most holy of all women in Paradise, next to Mary." He believed that the Virgin Mary chose to be known as our Lady of Fatima as a sign and a pledge that the Muslims who believe in Christ's Virgin birth, will come to believe in His divinity.

Bishop Sheen pointed out that the Pilgrim virgin status of Our Lady of Fatima were enthusiastically received by Muslims in Africa, India and elsewhere, and that many Muslims are now coming into the Roman Catholic Church."

^^^^^^^^^^^^ Olaadegbu and his pipe smoking gather around story.

Thw group that the vatican created by them being a shear from it, is the protestanism. Olaadegbu forgot that the fingers are pointed at his brand of christianity, but Islam which is an iconoclast of Christianity. Carry on mate with your delusion.




Muslims hate statues/idols. Islam of the father of Fatima [as to the messenger and ra to the daughter] destroyed all idols.

Even he Tawliban blew up big buhhda, big time.

to come up with "muslims loving/receiving' idol of somebody is a lie.

I don't care whose so called idol is presented before muslims, puff will its end.

i dont know which herb oladegbu stuffed in his get smart smoking pipe? It just didn't do the job.

Its the opposite effect we see.


Thanks for the video. I will share it with my jewish friends and other christians that the TABERNACLE OF THE LORD, in the Bibles is in the possession of the muslims. It is called KA'ABA in Masjid Haram in Makka.

Sweetnecta:

^^^^^^^^^^^^ Olaadegbu and his pipe smoking gather around story.

Thw group that the vatican created by them being a shear from it, is the protestanism. Olaadegbu forgot that the fingers are pointed at his brand of christianity, but Islam which is an iconoclast of Christianity. Carry on mate with your delusion.

This information is too raw for you that's why it is closely guarded by your high ranking Ayatollahs.

Sweetnecta:

Muslims hate statues/idols. Islam of the father of Fatima [as to the messenger and ra to the daughter] destroyed all idols.

Even he Tawliban blew up big buhhda, big time.

Muhammad truly destroyed most idols in the Kaaba but kept one which is allah, the idol with the moon crescent on his chest. Does the moon crescent ring a bell?

Sweetnecta:

to come up with "muslims loving/receiving' idol of somebody is a lie.

I don't care whose so called idol is presented before muslims, puff will its end.

Until you destroy that idol called allah we would see.

Sweetnecta:

i dont know which herb oladegbu stuffed in his get smart smoking pipe? It just didn't do the job.

Its the opposite effect we see.

Your mind is made up I will not confuse you with the facts. Carry on with your indoctrination.

Sweetnecta:

Thanks for the video. I will share it with my jewish friends and other christians that the TABERNACLE OF THE LORD, in the Bibles is in the possession of the muslims. It is called KA'ABA in Masjid Haram in Makka.

You wish. Is it the 'tabernacle' that contains the idol called Allah?

OLAADEGBU:

This information is too raw for you that's why it is closely guarded by your high ranking Ayatollahs.

until you have concrete evidence for your claims we will have to take yo to bean unrepentant liar . . .

OLAADEGBU:

Muhammad truly destroyed most idols in the Kaaba but kept one which is allah, the idol with the moon crescent on his chest. Does the moon crescent ring a bell?

I see the thread on hundreds of wives has pushed you into this new low . . . Jesus has become an idol to Christians who worship him, some see him as the cross idol . . .

OLAADEGBU:

Until you destroy that idol called allah we would see.

Allah created the moon it is written in the Qur'an.

OLAADEGBU:

Your mind is made up I will not confuse you with the facts. Carry on with your indoctrination.

Facts or hearsay? you have brought numerous speculations that do not make any semblance of sense, like I said earlier after all the troubles Jesus went thru he could only produce a Harlot Church, which reigned for 1500 years with none to challenge it, the same Harlot Church labeld sme gospels as apocryphal and destroyed them long before the reformed Harlot -Protestantism- came into being. yeah we see who suffers indocrination

OLAADEGBU:

You wish. Is it the 'tabernacle' that contains the idol called Allah?

Cross Idol worshiper you need to end the idol worship.

vedaxcool:

until you have concrete evidence for your claims we will have to take yo to bean unrepentant liar . . .

I see the thread on hundreds of wives has pushed you into this new low . . . Jesus has become an idol to Christians who worship him, some see him as the cross idol . . .

Allah created the moon it is written in the Qur'an.

Facts or hearsay? you have brought numerous speculations that do not make any semblance of sense, like I said earlier after all the troubles Jesus went thru he could only produce a Harlot Church, which reigned for 1500 years with none to challenge it, the same Harlot Church labeld sme gospels as apocryphal and destroyed them long before the reformed Harlot -Protestantism- came into being. yeah we see who suffers indocrination

Cross Idol worshiper you need to end the idol worship.

u re saying all these to feel superior on the internet right?read my first comment on this topic and provide the answers to the questions lets see the original from the photocopy.

@Olaadegbu: [Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on November 01, 2011, 05:53 PM
Thanks for the video. I will share it with my jewish friends and other christians that the TABERNACLE OF THE LORD, in the Bibles is in the possession of the muslims. It is called KA'ABA in Masjid Haram in Makka.

You wish. Is it the 'tabernacle' that contains the idol called Allah?[/Quote]Until you can prove wrong the obvious truth; Just like Jesus is a prophet sent to his people, Muhammad the "that prophet/comforter to 'come after Jesus, hearing and repeating without addition or subtraction", the Kaaba is the "Tabernacle of the Lord build by Abraham". If you wanna try to point to another place, then let your joke fit some portion of the description of the tabernacle and reaction of man to it. The children of Israel, Jacob, who used to make journey to Makka's Kabba didn't see idol of any kind. they stopped the first idol was introduced by a worse idolater than your subtle kind. The annual gathering at the TABERNACLE in Makka is on currently and I am certain there is a child of Israel among the many millions observing the religious command.

lets figure out the abraham triangle.sarah was the legitimate wife of abraham that was barren for some many years,the mother of ismael was the maid of parental neccesity to the family.ismael was the older brother of isaec.abramham sent away the older son because of isaec and sarah.God promise to make abraham a father of many nations.if isaec and ismeal had live in one house then abraham would have being the father of just one nature.my point is that God use abraham to bring these two religions christianity and islam to the world which is fulfilling the prophecy of father of many nations.almost every nation in the world is made up of christians or muslims.God fulfilled that prophecy in the holy bible.for those people disputing the bible,it's a free world(believe what ever u want).the reason i said the quran was edited from the bible because the message of quran is that ismael should have being the heir to abraham because he was the elder brother of isaec.God choose isaec above ismael because the promise was made to both abraham and sarah not the 'mother of ismael'.roger that folks

^^^^^^^^^ the Quran does not mention anything about the heir of Abraham. You christians have a warped understanding of yourselves.

Is Judaism not part of the so called abrahamaic faiths?

if Issac was what you said he was, then the jews and christans abandoned abrahamaic precepts of the heir to his faith. Islam keeps the precept and i wonder how a "wife" is illegitimate and still a wife properly married and not a people of adultery?

is it a must that the first wife must be the mother of the first born?

how Quran retells the human stories in their proper dimensions and becomes a thing edited from the Bible is not understood by me. can the edited be better than the authentic original, if both are what you said they are, yet Quran tells a perfect completely detailed story?

Did the Vatican Create Islam? (Full Version)

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These are the secrets that neither the RCC nor the Ayatollahs would want you to know about.

Sweetnecta:

^^^^^^^^^ the Quran does not mention anything about the heir of Abraham. You christians have a warped understanding of yourselves.

Is Judaism not part of the so called abrahamaic faiths?

if Issac was what you said he was, then the jews and christans abandoned abrahamaic precepts of the heir to his faith. Islam keeps the precept and i wonder how a "wife" is illegitimate and still a wife properly married and not a people of adultery?

is it a must that the first wife must be the mother of the first born?

how Quran retells the human stories in their proper dimensions and becomes a thing edited from the Bible is not understood by me. can the edited be better than the authentic original, if both are what you said they are, yet Quran tells a perfect completely detailed story?

answer my first question then we shall proceed.how about isaec and ishmeal living in the same house and growing up with one faith and belief.there would have being no two religions such as ,

^^^^^^^^ there would not have been judaism and christianity, and what is left is Islam, the religion of Abraham.

or was Abraham a religious jew or christian?

Sweetnecta:

^^^^^^^^ there would not have been judaism and christianity, and what is left is Islam, the religion of Abraham.

or was Abraham a religious jew or christian?

ibrahim and abraham is not a synonmy.who wrote the story about ibrahim?and when was it written.