Dantedasz:
Christians never cease to amaze and twist things written in their holy books. The Christian god pretends not to love human sacrifice but encourages it throughout the book. from Abraham and Isaac to Jephthah and his daughter to even his own begotten son Jesus Christ. Pastors in churches seldom or ever preach on the Jephthah conundrum because it puts their god in a bad light. Christians always avoid threads like this one because they have no answers to the questions raised on the morality of human sacrifice of an innocent girl on a bon fire to please a god. the brave Christians will come her and argue in an illogical manner that the girl was not sacrificed but consecrated as a virgin to god.

Dantedasz:


The joke is on you and your fellow Christians.
This rubbish is in your religious book.
Your god supports and enables human sacrifice to hself. Examples abound in your book. Abraham and Isaac,Jephthah and his nameless daughter and above all the sacrifice of his only begotten son on a stake.
The jokes on you son.

TheMadame:



While I agree with you that God forbids human sacrifice as per mosaic laws, Jephthah for reasons best known to himself apparently decided to go against all Mosaic laws and made a sacrifice of his daughter. it was a rash vow but only a person with comprehension problems would go ahead and say the girl was not sacrificed.

Dantedasz:


At the emboldened,
Is that how a moral God should act in your opinion?
A moral benevolent god?? If such an entity loves burnt human flesh so much why not sacrifice Jephthah himself instead of the innocent girl? Or better still give him a ram or goat🐐 to sacrifice??
Argue with your story book mate.

Dantedasz:


At emboldened,
1. Your god being omniscient(if he really is omniscient) should have known he did not need to test Abraham.
2. Jephthah is now on his own no longer carrying out the sacrifice to please and worship his God?
3. Comparing a god son(Iesus Chrestus) to a movie character)di Caprio) is apt. The whole Bible comes across as a badly written comic book or movie script.

Just argue with your story book please.

Aemmyjah:


To sacrifice means to offer or set apart as a gift to God or a deity
Some sacrifices could be land, fields, animals, humans, etc... Only an ignorant person will reason that all living things sacrificed must be killed

Dtruthspeaker:


Prove!

TheMadame:
STOP ADDING AND SUBTRACTING GOD'S WORDS. IT IS A GREAT SIN. STOP PROJECTING YOUR PERSONAL WANTS AND INTERPRETATIONS INTO GOD'S WORDS BECAUSE THE REPERCUSSIONS ARE GREAT AND GRAVE. DO NOT ADD OR SUBTRACT THE HOLY WORD.

Aemmyjah:

Tithes are also sacrifices if you'll agree with me
Burnt offerings and sin offerings were sacrificed wholly. We also have grain offering, communion offering, guilt offering, drink offerings, wave offerings, heave offerings.
Offerings and sacrifices are similar but not same
Offerings could be money
An Israelite could sacrifice himself to become a Nazarite for certain period or throughout his days

The tenth of flocks given to the levites who had no inheritance in Israel was so they too could have field amd crops and flocks to tend as they carry out their sacred duties but an Israeli due to distance if transporting his animals could still offer money

Samuel was given as a vow offering
Jephthah daughter as well but she was not killed as they Bible says she went to weep of her virginity, nit her death - her prospect of having her raising her own family
Besides, any man that of Israel that sacrifice a fellow human even if it were his own child, the way he sacrificed animal, such a man will receive a curse and not a blessing from God... Was Jephthah daughter killed, the answer is No.

Dtruthspeaker:


This is not proof of your case but a fallacy of extension. Tithes and offerings you mentioned are matters prescribed by Law, jephthah's act is not one of these.

I was only mentioning the different kind of offering. A sacrifice is also an offering - a vow offering

However, you are still right because most sacrifices are to be undertaken by the Levite as provided by Law, so Jephthah has to deliver his daughter to them and cannot undertake the sacrifice himself. No Israelite can.

Therefore jephthah did not burn his daughter as we erroneously thought because of the word "for a burnt offering".

For The Law of burnt offering is very precise and it dictates that the offering must be of the cattle and flock. No human is ever used.

So jephthah just gave up his daughter to the service of The Lordd like Hannah gave up Samuel.

So Jephthah'sdaughter was never killed or burnt.

Aemmyjah:


To sacrifice means to offer or set apart as a gift to God or a deity
Some sacrifices could be land, fields, animals, humans, etc... Only an ignorant person will reason that all living things sacrificed must be killed

Maynman:

So why did they mourn her every year?

Maynman:

So why did they mourn her every year?

Aemmyjah:



King James Version
Judges 11:38
And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.

Don't bring your own confusion sir

Aemmyjah:

Exactly
Also, Jephthah likely had in mind that it was not an animal sacrifice as animals were not kept in Israelite homes neither can an animal come out to greet or meet his owner from war. Only servants and children do that
All the same, what he did was noble and he and his daughter, though unnamed are still remembered today but the majority misunderstood it to be him killing her...

Maynman:

The verse didn't end in 38.

40 that the daughters of Israel went year by year to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in the year.

Why were they mourning every year and it even became a custom?

Dtruthspeaker:


That is why i hate follow-follow. People always throwing their shitty errors and lies and crooked understanding as though it is solid True before a person gets to even see things for himself.

I remember my first reaction was that this did not make any sense for God does not do an evil thing and can never ever support one. However the noise did not let me see things for myself until now. Thanks for the correction.

However, in return I respectfully urge you to get out of jw. They are evil and will destroy your soul. If you are fair and True as I have seen in you, you yourself can not deny that they are certainly not from God and Christ.

I know that their selling point and appeal is that they would take care of you financially, connectionally and everything you need like a good club. But that is what cults do whether eckanker or olumba olumba or atheism. But they are all one and the same evil using the power of cooperation to entrap your soul.

However, I respect your right to choose your associations and I do not say more than this for you know that which is good or evil, to choose therefrom!

Maynman:

The verse didn't end in 38.

40 that the daughters of Israel went year by year to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in the year.

Why were they mourning every year and it even became a custom?

Maynman:

The verse didn't end in 38.

40 that the daughters of Israel went year by year to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in the year.

Why were they mourning every year and it even became a custom?

Dtruthspeaker:


I remember my first reaction was that this did not make any sense for God does not do an evil thing and can never ever support one. However the noise did not let me see things for myself until now. Thanks for the correction.

Aemmyjah:


Your double-mindedness amazes me
You can correct these churchgoers by citing scriptures and making references to correct wrong doctrines, even ones they wrongly use Bible to support with an incorrect understanding of it either literally or unliterally but you are very picky and biased in your determination to remain a blind atheist for life
In same manner, do an effective research and come up with a reasonable conclusion and stop fooling around threads not meant for your kind

Aemmyjah:

And follow someone who says women are from the seed of Satan?
Such a misogynist

Aemmyjah:


Imagine if it were an animal like a dog or a pig that came out to 'greet' Jephthah. Would he have sacrificed it? He will receive a curse
What about a leper or an hunchback or an amalekite slave?

I am happy we finally agreed on something

Maynman:


Judges 11:39 At the end of two months, she returned to her father, after which he carried out the vow he had made regarding her]

TheMadame:
CONCLUSION.

Dtruthspeaker:


And what was his vow?
Answer: To give her to The Lord like Hannah gave Samuel.

Maynman:

The vow is the burnt offering.

Dtruthspeaker:


You are so twisted and backwards for you to make the end of a statement, the beginning.

Dtruthspeaker:


And what was his vow?
Answer: To give her to The Lord like Hannah gave Samuel.

TheMadame:
CONCLUSION.