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Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by tpia5: 4:30am On Oct 23, 2011 |
Chyz*: werent you on the other thread where this topic was discussed. check the newspaper article. Also, Are you even sure that that that group was actually called olukumis and even when they "were in Ondo"? when in ondo, they wouldnt have been called lukumi because they only acquired that name in diaspora. It was what they were called by outsiders. same applies to yoruba itself. |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by tpia5: 4:31am On Oct 23, 2011 |
odumchi: are you saying their oral traditions are wrong- i dont get your point. |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by exotik: 4:34am On Oct 23, 2011 |
tpia@: and what point does that score? |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by tpia5: 4:39am On Oct 23, 2011 |
^^you're the one turning everything into a battle for points. you really should deal with your insecurity. |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by exotik: 4:55am On Oct 23, 2011 |
i guess i shouldnt have used "score", but instead should have said what point does that "make" coz your response was pointless. |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by exotik: 5:01am On Oct 23, 2011 |
and btw, if we are to speak on insecurity, i think you should go look in the mirror coz when you were talking from the side of your mouth or should i say typing with your crooked fingers that the benin monarchy was started by the yoruba, i didn’t argue with you. but when i responded with the simple fact and truth that the first ooni of ife was a bini man and he instituted the monarchy, you told me it was a lie and dragged it into an argument. if you weren’t so insecure, why didn’t you just ignore? i guess you don’t know the meaning of the word. |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by tpia5: 5:02am On Oct 23, 2011 |
@ topic i'm noticing some naming patterns on the list someone posted: 3 issele 3 onicha 2 idumuje 2 ogo each with suffixes or appelations. any clue about the meanings of the words? |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by Chyz2: 5:33am On Oct 23, 2011 |
tpia@: Who is that someone? |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by Chyz2: 5:39am On Oct 23, 2011 |
tpia@: The guy who wrote that article is a yoruba and from ogun state. He's not from Anioma. tpia@: What were they called in Ondo then? Since it(olukumi) is what others call them, what do they call themselves in Anioma today because it wouldn't make sense for them to refer to themselves as such? |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by lakal(m): 7:29am On Oct 23, 2011 |
This whole Olukumi issue is very interesting: I don't think that the Olukumi-speaking people see themselves as anything but residents of their respective villages, nowadays. (I'll leave that Anioma = Igbo/not Igbo fracas). It's generally agreed that Olukumi comes from Ondo/Owo dialect Oluku mi (my friend). The name Olukumi or "lucumi" is still used to refer to Yorubas in Cuba. |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by tpia5: 3:05am On Oct 24, 2011 |
I don't think that the Olukumi-speaking people see themselves as anything but residents of their respective villages, nowadays. quite right. |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by odumchi: 3:21am On Oct 24, 2011 |
They are a perfect example of the "Igbo-ization" of people |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by Johnpaul2k2(m): 9:56am On Oct 24, 2011 |
i hate this post |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by noiseless: 1:03pm On Oct 24, 2011 |
This poster with the name ahj_harem does he/she not have something else to do other than being on case of anything igbo and always with a negative aproach?but will pretend to be balanced and start dribbling all over when connered.Does he see igbo in his dreams?each time i read his comments on here all i do is shake my head. Abagworo: |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by aribisala0(m): 1:17pm On Oct 24, 2011 |
in order to understand this issue it is important to know the origin of the word yoruba. from all indications it would appear that those people known as yoruba today only started calling themselves as such quite recently. this has been largely due to european colonialist influence partly and also partly due to the fact that there are no indigenous written records. all so-called yoruba peoples speak language(s) /dialect(s) that are mutually intelligible but traditionally regarded themselves as ondo,ijebu,ekiti,egba,ijesha,ogbomina etc and were fiercely proud of these identities. there is contemporary utility in being called yoruba as it creates the illusion of a single nationality and unity which has NEVER existed. even the language was known as Anago and the term Olukumi was quite universal in what is now called yorubaland as such many are known as anagos outside nigeria. modern historians have confused issues in their written accounts and those "yorubas" who have been schooled with these accounts believe the myth of their yorubaness. in fact by the time the word Yoruba became known among many groups it was used to refer mainly to Oyo people/speakers. certainly all the elderly ijebus i knew in the 70s referred to ARA-OKE people as awon yoruba = yoruba people. as such if you have a group of anago speakers that are encysted in time in anioma they are not likely to use the word Yoruba in referring to themselves because factually they are NOT yoruba . it is my understanding that this creation of a monolith homogenous group base on speaking dialects of a similar language is NOT restricted to the so called Yoruba but is also true of other major language/ethnic groups in Nigeria. its utility lies in collective strength against "other" out groups but its validity is dubious. however without such devices it is impossible to form great nation states with a single identity e.g. hausa,germans,arabs |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by aljharem3: 1:52pm On Oct 24, 2011 |
noiseless: How is Olukumi studies = Igbo studies we really have ideeiots on NL keep shaking ur head till it comes off. MUMU |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by noiseless: 5:37pm On Oct 24, 2011 |
alj_harem:WELL YOU CAN ANSWER THAT TO YOURSELF UDELE ORIE ONICHA UBOMA!PARHEPS THE SAME WAY TO YOU ONITSHA/ONICHA IN MANY IGBOLAND IS CORRUPTION OR = ORISHA IN YORUBALAND ACCORDING TO YOU. |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by aljharem3: 5:42pm On Oct 24, 2011 |
noiseless: Hey stop this ur attack on me. Philip emeaguali an Onitsha man suggested this. I am not saying or insinuating that it is a yorubaland or what ever. In fact we should be glad that we have a common ground for our unity. It has nothing to do with Igboland or yoruba land |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by AndreUweh(m): 6:14pm On Oct 24, 2011 |
noiseless:Are you from Isinweke (Etiti)?. |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by AndreUweh(m): 6:15pm On Oct 24, 2011 |
aribisala0:WORD. |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by aljharem3: 6:16pm On Oct 24, 2011 |
Andre Uweh: What part of the statement draw your attention ? |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by AndreUweh(m): 6:21pm On Oct 24, 2011 |
alj_harem:All. Aribisala is an intelligent poster. |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by aljharem3: 6:23pm On Oct 24, 2011 |
Andre Uweh: true that. |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by tpia5: 6:32pm On Oct 24, 2011 |
aribisala's focus is more towards the east. his analysis on this thread is geared that way as well. yoruba, just like lukunmi, anago and eku/aku, are words used by outsiders to describe southwesterners in ancient times. on a side note, some yorubas try to call themselves oodua which technically also isnt quite correct. Omo oodua is more accurate. |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by aljharem3: 6:44pm On Oct 24, 2011 |
tpia@:I think Ooduan is more correct than Omo odudua. Not all yorubas are children of odudua. Odudua[b]n[/b] is more of a coolective term to acknowlege him in yoruba history. Also I actually found out that the term Anago was actually awori descriptive name I am not too sure while Yoruba was from Oyo. Also what did the benins call the the ife people ? Today, the Yewa people are mainly located on the Western part of Ogun State of Nigeria. They comprise the Ketu, the Sabe, the Ije (Ohori),Ifonyin, Anago, Eyo and Ogu (Egun) On the Northern part of Yewaland is the Ketu sub-ethic group. Ketu towns of Ijoun, Ijaka, ljale, Egua, Igan Alade, Imeko, Owode-Ketu, Tata, llara and Idofa etc. were founded by emigrants from Ketu (founded by Alaketu and now in the Republic of Benin). South of he Ketu are the Ije (Ohori) located in Oja-Odan, Obele, Ohunbe, Ibeku and lsale. Further to the South of the Ohoriare the Ifonyin whose main kingdoms are Ikolaje, llashe and Ifonyintedo. To the Eastern part of Ketu, Ohori and Ifonyin are the sub groups originally referred as Egbado. These include the people of llaro, Ibara, Ilewo, Ilogun, Imala-Aiba, lIobi, Ibese, Igbogila, Imasai, lsaga, Igan Okoto, Joga, Ayetoro, Idofoyi, Tibo, Keesan, Oke-Odan, Erinja and Ajilete, among others. South of the Egbado are the Awori who settled in towns such as Ota, Ado-Odo and Igbesa. West of the Awori are the Anago interspersed by the Eyo who settled in Ipokia, Agosasa, Ijofin, Ibatefin and Ihunbo. To the south of the Awori and Anago are the Ogu (Egun) largely concentrated in and around Badagry. The Egun have intermarried with the Aworis, Anagos and Egbado and their main settlements are Tube and Maun. http://yewaunionlagos.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=47:history-of-yewa&catid=29:history&Itemid=28 also this http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=MhOJheUc4pkC&pg=PA237&lpg=PA237&dq=awori+anago&source=bl&ots=EisSA-eYXX&sig=wAyL-KGdcstCZqTUH2fmt12x4R4&hl=en&ei=F6OlTqz-Mcyo8QPi0p3UBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by tpia5: 6:52pm On Oct 24, 2011 |
Ooduan is more correct than Omo odudua omo oodua is the correct term. Also I actually found out that the term Anago was actually awori descriptive name I am not too sure while Yoruba was from Oyo. anago, eku, etc were all used to describe yorubas in diaspora- particularly yorubas who were enslaved overseas. yoruba was used by the hausa for the people to their south [west]. i'm not sure oyos themselves went by that term. To the best of my knowledge, they simply called themselves oyo. |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by aljharem3: 6:57pm On Oct 24, 2011 |
tpia@: also what is the meaning of ogaga in yoruba in terms of name ? |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by tpia5: 7:00pm On Oct 24, 2011 |
^^ogaga is an urhobo term i believe. did someone call it yoruba and if so, what did they say was the meaning. |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by aljharem3: 7:05pm On Oct 24, 2011 |
hmmmmm |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by aljharem3: 7:18pm On Oct 24, 2011 |
Ogaga or Ogoga actually means king in Ekiti yoruba dialect In urhobo it means Power Hmm for example Ogaga or Ogoga of Ikere http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/highlight_objects/aoa/p/pair_of_door_panels_and_a_lint.aspx |
Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by tpia5: 7:29pm On Oct 24, 2011 |
^^not aware of this ogoga title. what's the pronounciation? there seems to be two kings in ikere- an olukere [of ife origin] and the ogoga [who seems to have migrated from benin]. Got this from a quick search. never heard of this conflict before. as per the ogoga/ogaga meaning- that's entirely possible. we also have juba in yoruba which means worship or respect, and juba happens to be the name of a roman emperor of african origin. so, there's really a lot that needs to be looked into by informed minds with the right training and experience. owo, for example, can mean respect or honour in yoruba but it's also the name of a town. |
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