Aemmyjah:



King James Version
1 Timothy 6:16
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Jesus is the only one having immortality

Templee333:
just a reminder: "and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die" - john 11:26.

MaxInDHouse:


So a prophet of God like John who knew the word of God doesn't know he was Elijah in his past life shey?

MaxInDHouse:


Prove you sabi not just arguing but with evidence that's undeniable!

Explore2xmore:

■ You definitely know there is the connection as there are prophesies from the old testament about things in the new testament. Reference to the laws and Torah of Moses too.
■ Then what use is the the Transfiguration if the books and times are not related?

Aemmyjah:



King James Version
1 Timothy 6:16
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Jesus is the only one having immortality

bobestman:

Yea he might not know. He may know but refuse to tell them cos many true men of God usually put things in codes. In our world today their are ppl operating in the spirit of Elisha, Isaiah etc that don't know yet. To me he knew cos he said he was a voice crying out in the wilderness - it was code for a great prophet who came

bobestman:

It is not about proving. Will you understand with your zapped JW mind? No be to argue with JW handout you sabi? And anything against it is a lie to you

bobestman:

Lol you ppl self. You ppl just want to argue. Immortality is deathlessness. There are many who never taste death. When you please God he might decide to take you away one day. This happened to Elijah and Enoch. The 24 elders were ones great kings on earth before they ascended and were rewarded.

Kobojunkie:
I only mention that the One instance connected to one particular being who happened to be of the Old Law.

2. This isn't about the books and times but rather the contracts --- the details, terms and conditions, etc., -- as well as Kingdoms to which they apply being different. For example, the Old Law's terms applies only to those of Israel who are of the Nation of Israel which is of this world whereas Jesus Christ applies to those removed from this world and are of the Kingdom of God.

TenQ:

Christians do NOT believe in reincarnation as it is contrary to the scripture.

1. Elijah did not die but was taken bodily to heaven, therefore this is not a reincarnation
2Kin 2:11:
"And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven."

2. Jesus said, that John the Baptist was Elijah (without giving any explanation of how it is). Jesus simply said:

Mat 11:14:
"And if you will receive it, this is Elijah, which was for to come."

Mat 17:11-13:
"And Jesus answered and said to them, Elijah truly shall first come, and restore all things. But I say to you, That Elijah is come already, and they knew him not, but have done to him whatever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Then the disciples understood that he spoke to them of John the Baptist."

Since Elijah never died, this cannot be called a reincarnation.

Not withstanding, as Christians, we believe in miracles from God as a suspension of the norm in specific instances such that God reserves the right to resurrect anyone or even cause a person to be reincarnated. However, this would be a miracle of God and stands unchallenged by us as Christians.

bobestman:


Lol you ppl self. You ppl just want to argue. Immortality is deathlessness. There are many who never taste death. When you please God he might decide to take you away one day. This happened to Elijah and Enoch. The 24 elders were ones great kings on earth before they ascended and were rewarded.

SIRTee15:


Jesus was referencing the spirit of Elijah in John the baptist. John is not reincarnated Elijah.

Explore2xmore:


Is Elijah of the two spoken in Revelations?

MaxInDHouse:


So a prophet of God like John who knew the word of God doesn't know he was Elijah in his past life shey?

FRANCISTOWN:

So a prophet of Yhwh like John who knew the word of Yhwh didn't know Jesus and was asking the same Jesus if they should expect the real messiah. Dey play

Explore2xmore:
■ Well all time is bound by obviously stated and unstated contracts or law. Your point is noted.

Explore2xmore:
■ Is Elijah of the two spoken in Revelations?

Kobojunkie:
Huh?

Explore2xmore:
■ Thank you SirTee15. Outside Jesus pointing towards this it was not obvious as in the case of Elisha.....

9 As Jesus and the followers were coming down the mountain, he gave them this command: “Don’t tell anyone about what you saw on the mountain. Wait until the Son of Man has been raised from death. Then you can tell people about what you saw.”
10 The followers asked Jesus, “Why do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come[a] before the Messiah comes?”
11 Jesus answered, “They are right to say Elijah is coming. And it is true that Elijah will make all things the way they should be.
12 But I tell you, Elijah has already come. People did not know who he was, and they treated him badly, doing whatever they wanted to do. It is the same with the Son of Man. Those same people will make the Son of Man suffer.”
13 Then the followers understood that when Jesus said Elijah, he was talking about John the Baptist. - Matthew 17 vs 9 - 13

Explore2xmore:
■ When you feel tired and have a rest you often feel refreshed isn't it?
■ How is this established?

TenQ:

There is no scripture to assert or prove that one of the two men spoken of in Rev 11:1-14. They were simply referred to as Witnessess. Whatever anyone says about the two men other than this are speculations as the Bible gives no names.

Note:
Not withstanding, as Christians, we believe in miracles from God as a suspension of the norm in specific instances such that God reserves the right to resurrect anyone or even cause a person to be reincarnated. However, this would be a miracle of God and stands unchallenged by us as Christians.

Kobojunkie:
There are those for which that rule barely holds. They wake up exhausted, sometimes even more than they did before they went in to rest.

How is what established?

Kobojunkie:
Actually, John was Elijah returned.
Unless of course, you would rather believe that Jesus Christ lied about it!

Elijah was probably originally meant to die at the hands of King Ahab and Jezebel. But God took him out of that timeline and brought Him back as John, where he eventually did die at the hands of King Herod and his wife.

Aemmyjah:

Continue saying wetin no de Bible

Explore2xmore:
■ Do you often recover strength after a rest or subdue a feeling of hunger after eating a meal?
■ Do you have an inclination to go to sleep at some point? Those who wake up feeling exhausted may seek and find reasons why this is.
■ Could be blood sugar anomalies, kidney problems, or some ailment.

Explore2xmore:


Are these parts of scripture meaningless then?


This description of the two witnesses bears a striking resemblance to the miracles performed by Elijah in the Old Testament. In 1 Kings 17, Elijah proclaimed that there would be no rain in the land, and in 1 Kings 18, he called down fire from heaven to consume a sacrifice.


The appearance of Elijah alongside Moses at the transfiguration of Jesus is another indicator of Elijah's significance in the end times. In Matthew 17:3-4, it says, "Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus. Peter said to Jesus, 'Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah.'"

Elijah did not experience physical death but was taken up to heaven in a fiery chariot (2 Kings 2:11) supports the notion that he is destined to return as one of the two witnesses in Revelation. The idea that Elijah did not die but was taken directly to heaven leaves the possibility open for him to return in the future as one of the witnesses.

Although his apparent return as new born John the Baptist or a John the Baptist of kindred spirit adds on some uncertainty.

TenQ:

Did the book of Revelation give the identity of the two witnesses OR you are making a speculation that these could be Moses and Elijah?

FRANCISTOWN:
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@MaxInDHouse

I'll be speaking according to the bible.
John the Baptist was infact the reincarnation of Elijah.
Let's walk thru the bible together.
What happens when a man dies?
His earthly body returns back to the ground.
It is impossible to ascend into heaven with your earthly body.
For God himself said this to the first man who inherited death.

In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread till thou return to the earth, out of which thou wast taken: for dust thou art, and into dust thou shalt return. Gen 3:19

When Enoch was taken up to heaven, he was not taken with his earthly body, likewise Elijah

Apostle Paul better explained this in

Phil3: 21 He will take our weak mortal bodies and change them into glorious bodies like his own, using the same power with which he will bring everything under his control.

The earthly body cannot survive in heaven.
So Enoch and Elijah must have been given a new body just as Paul explained.

Now about reincarnation.
See what the dictionary says:
•A rebirth of a soul, in a physical life form, such as a body.
Since Elijah was taken into heaven without his earthly body. It is reasonable to say he was a soul.
Now in Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

John was the only prophet that was sent just before Jesus.

Even Jesus confirmed that indeed John the Baptist was a prophet in Luke 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist...

Luke 1:17 "And he will go on before the Lord, in the spirit and power of Elijah..."

Simply put, the spirit of Elijah in a new earthly body.
And Jesus really said it clearly in

Mat 11:14:
"And if you will receive it, this is Elijah, which was for to come."

Mat 17:11-13:
"And Jesus answered and said to them, Elijah truly shall first come, and restore all things. But I say to you, That Elijah is come already, and they knew him not, but have done to him whatever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Then the disciples understood that he spoke to them of John the Baptist."

When Elijah was taken to heaven, he was given a different body, so, he had to enter a new earthly body which can only happen by birth. Hence, reincarnation

FxMasterz:


All this lengthy talk can be rendered heretic by one simple scripture -The two appearances Jesus had on the Mount of Transfiguration.

Moses and Elijah appeared to Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration. The same Elijah that appeared to Jesus cannot be the same John tha Baptist.

Truly, flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. That does not mean flesh and blood cannot appear there. Moses like Elijah probably never died too. His grave was never found. There's high tendency that their reappearance at the end of time as prophesied in the book of revelation was to accomplish the shedding off of the flesh so that they, in their spirit bodies can inherit the Kingdom of God.

Malachi 4:5 refers to the reappearance of Elijah before the coming of the dreadful day of the Lord. The dreadful day of the Lord is still future. It is a day of judgement. The first coming of Christ was not dreadful. It was for the salvation of souls. You can bear me witness that there was nothing dreadful about it. In the book of revelation, just immediately after Moses and Elijah (The two witnesses) were taken up after their redirection, the dreadful judgement of the Lord began upon the earth. That's the day Malachi was talking about.

John himself testified that "He was the voice of one crying in the wilderness" - John 1:23. Re-echoing an earlier prophecy of Isaiah about him.

"This is Elijah that was to come..." Is a prophetic language. It should not be taken literally. The literal meaning of those words was given at John's birth in Luke 1:17.

Being in the spirit of Elijah is not the same as being Elijah. The anointing or mantle of Elijah was upon him to deliver his fiery message of repentance to Israel. This is similar event as the one recorded of Elisha after the mantle of Elijah fell on him on the other side of Jordan. The sons of the prophet looking at Elisha afar off reported: "The spirit of Elijah doth rest upon Elisha". Elisha did not become Elijah at that point but he operated in the spirit of Elijah. John was not a reincarnation of Elijah. He was a distinct spirit with the zeal, fervour and anointing of Elijah.

Templee333:
our ancestors who had no bible or heard about Jesus knew better than a modern christian. Was Jesus not the 2nd Adam? Was John the baptist not Elijah?

MaxInDHouse:


According to Jesus those believing in him are in comma whenever they stop breathing because he knows them so during resurrection he will just call them by name the same way he called Lazarus but in this case some are saying nobody dies for real whether believer or not.