Explore2xmore:


I am seeking clarity about this as there are divergent views.

Can you or can't you not explain convincingly?

FxMasterz:


All this lengthy talk can be rendered heretic by one simple scripture -The two appearances Jesus had on the Mount of Transfiguration.

Moses and Elijah appeared to Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration. The same Elijah that appeared to Jesus cannot be the same John tha Baptist.

Truly, flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. That does not mean flesh and blood cannot appear there. Moses like Elijah probably never died too. His grave was never found. There's high tendency that their reappearance at the end of time as prophesied in the book of revelation was to accomplish the shedding off of the flesh so that they, in their spirit bodies can inherit the Kingdom of God.

Malachi 4:5 refers to the reappearance of Elijah before the coming of the dreadful day of the Lord. The dreadful day of the Lord is still future. It is a day of judgement. The first coming of Christ was not dreadful. It was for the salvation of souls. You can bear me witness that there was nothing dreadful about it. In the book of revelation, just immediately after Moses and Elijah (The two witnesses) were taken up after their redirection, the dreadful judgement of the Lord began upon the earth. That's the day Malachi was talking about.

John himself testified that "He was the voice of one crying in the wilderness" - John 1:23. Re-echoing an earlier prophecy of Isaiah about him.

"This is Elijah that was to come..." Is a prophetic language. It should not be taken literally. The literal meaning of those words was given at John's birth in Luke 1:17.

Being in the spirit of Elijah is not the same as being Elijah. The anointing or mantle of Elijah was upon him to deliver his fiery message of repentance to Israel. This is similar event as the one recorded of Elisha after the mantle of Elijah fell on him on the other side of Jordan. The sons of the prophet looking at Elisha afar off reported: "The spirit of Elijah doth rest upon Elisha". Elisha did not become Elijah at that point but he operated in the spirit of Elijah. John was not a reincarnation of Elijah. He was a distinct spirit with the zeal, fervour and anointing of Elijah.

TenQ:

I have giving you explanation from the Bible, do you want me to give you speculations that is not supported by the scriptures?

If you think that the two witnesses are Moses and Elijah, you should be able to give us convincing scriptures that back it up. As for me, the Bible did not give us the names other than the fact that they are two men, they are witnesses, power of miracles is given to them and they would preach for a number of days before they are killed and they will be resurected from the dead.

Any two men who fulfill ALL these conditions are the witnesses irrespective of whether their name is James or Joseph or Janitor or Junaid.

MightySparrow:

TenQ:

In comma!??
Including the good thief on the cross?
He was in comma in paradise!

Explore2xmore:


Quite a good submission however where then do you place the statement of Jesus?

Mark 9:13
But I tell you, Elijah has come, and they have done to him everything they wished, just as it is written about him."

Matthew 17:10-13
10 The disciples asked him, “Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?”

11 Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. 12 But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.

MaxInDHouse:


Where is Paradise?
Ọmọ Jesus didn't go to anywhere that day with the thief this is the correct rendering of what Jesus said:

“Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise.” Luke 23:43

So it was that day Jesus promised the thief not that the guy is going to heaven o!

FRANCISTOWN:
@FxMasterz
When Moses and Elijah appeared to Jesus.
Note that, John the Baptist already died.
John died in chapter 14 of Matthew, while Elijah and Moses appeared with Jesus in chapter 17.

Also in Mark. John the Baptist died in the sixth chapter of Mark and Elijah appeared in the 9th chapter on the mount of transfiguration.

Elijah was already a "spirit" according to you guys' bible.

You also said Moses did not die, see. Read your bible.
Deuteronomy 34:7 "And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died..."

Jude the brother of James even gave an account of what happened after Moses' death in Jude 1: 9 "Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee."

So Moses died, according to the bible stories.

The Moses and Elijah that appeared to the bible Jesus were spirits.

Also it is important to know that, whenever Elijah appeared. There was always a Jezebel who wanted to kill him.
It happened in 1kings chapter 18-19
Since she couldn't kill Elijah.

When Elijah came back as John the Baptist. The spirit of Jezebel also reappeared as herodias (another case of reincarnation in the bible that people don't know about)

Jesus himself said John the Baptist was Elijah, so why the stress?

TenQ:

In comma!??

Including the good thief on the cross?
He was in comma in paradise!

Explore2xmore:
■ Are these parts of scripture meaningless then?
This description of the two witnesses bears a striking resemblance to the miracles performed by Elijah in the Old Testament. In 1 Kings 17, Elijah proclaimed that there would be no rain in the land, and in 1 Kings 18, he called down fire from heaven to consume a sacrifice.
The appearance of Elijah alongside Moses at the transfiguration of Jesus is another indicator of Elijah's significance in the end times. In Matthew 17:3-4, it says, "Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus. Peter said to Jesus, 'Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah.'"
■ Elijah did not experience physical death but was taken up to heaven in a fiery chariot (2 Kings 2:11) supports the notion that he is destined to return as one of the two witnesses in Revelation. The idea that Elijah did not die but was taken directly to heaven leaves the possibility open for him to return in the future as one of the witnesses. Although his apparent return as new born John the Baptist or a John the Baptist of kindred spirit adds on some uncertainty.

Kobojunkie:
The last days which referred to the time of God's judgment against the nation of Israel took place in the same generation that Jesus's disciples were a part of. We are talking approximately 1900 years ago.

2. Jesus Christ informed you that Elijah had already come(past tense). Are you expecting Elijah to have to come again?

Explore2xmore:
■ Jesus did not give judgement yet

Explore2xmore:
■ How can Elijah come before Jesus, as stated in Matthew, and also come before the great and awesome day of the Lord, as stated in Malachi?
■ How do the the people ask of Elijah when
Kings 19 says:
15 And the Lord said to him, “Go, return on your way to the wilderness of Damascus. And when you arrive, you shall anoint Hazael to be king over Syria.
16 And Jehu the son of Nimshi you shall anoint to be king over Israel, and Elisha the son of Shaphat of Abel-meholah you shall anoint to be prophet in your place.
17 And the one who escapes from the sword of Hazael shall Jehu put to death, and the one who escapes from the sword of Jehu shall Elisha put to death.
Is Jehu and Jesus not confused? Jehu being King and putting some to death isn't a form judgement?

4 “Remember and obey the law of my servant Moses. I gave those laws and rules to him at Mount Horeb. They are for all the people of Israel.
5 “Look, I will send Elijah the prophet to you. He will come before that great and terrible time of judgment from the Lord.
6 Elijah will help the parents become close to their children, and he will help the children become close to their parents. This must happen, or I will come and destroy your country.” - Malachi 4 vs 4- 7

TenQ:

So, you are saying that Jesus was not speaking he truth!?

Is the statement“Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise.” UNTRUE?

Explore2xmore:
There appears some verses in the Bible that say reincarnation doesn't occur.

Hebrews 9:27 - "And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment

Yet Jesus is said to say Elijah had come but wasn't recognised. Matthew 11:10-14.

MaxInDHouse:


Guy all Adam's descendants died.

Do you now believe in Jesus of Nazareth? Because it's only him that mentioned 24 elders o!

MaxInDHouse:


Present the worshipers of your own God, to the world i presents the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses!

That's the undeniable evidence of the Bible God.

Without such an organized group these is no single evidence of God! Isaiah 43:10-12

MaxInDHouse:


You've edited my post this is the rendering:

“Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise.”

Jesus made the promise that day but it's not the same day that he will be with that thief in Paradise. If lifetime insurance of $50b is issued to a day old baby and the giver say the child should be given when he is 25 years old surely it's until he attain that age before he could become a billionaire but the assurance has been granted that day.

So Jesus made that promise but the thief will start enjoying the benefits when Paradise begins on planet earth only BORN AGAIN Christians (baptized with water and anointed with God's Holy Spirit}l) are going to heaven {John 3:3-5} that thief never got baptized in water nor anointed with Holy Spirit!

bobestman:

You are still a baby spiritually. There are many things not recorded in your bible. Did Enoch die? Did Elijah die? I rather call the messiah the name in the first edited bible than what many of you call that you don't know the origin. You call a Hebrew man a name that has no meaning in Hebrew and even in all languages
When you have nothing tn say again you come up with all these useless questions

bobestman:

JWs are brain dead ppl. They have been decieved and their brains hijaacked. They are working for their GB claiming they are working for a God they don't know. They are even claiming to replace ppl God made covenant with. The foolish followers never read with their brain to see the many lies of their dead organisation/company. Bunch of headless fools

TenQ:

I edited it to read the real translation of the greek
Check it out in the attachment: Why did you swap TODAY with "I SAY"
Say exactly what Jesus said rather than attributing to Him what you want him to say!

MaxInDHouse:


You've forgotten that there are many things not recorded in the Bible shey?

The complete Bible said we must work for the Governing Body otherwise we are enemies of the Messiah.

So there's no need to argue hold onto your ideas while i hold onto mine!

MaxInDHouse:


The highlighted is enough so no further comment!

bobestman:

You are working without knowledge just like a man building without a plan. You don't see. You don't hear. You are not led by the spirit that makes one a son of God. You are just following your GB's order. You are working in vain!

bobestman:

You are just a brainwash fool. You think you know but know nothing. You laugh at ppl but can't see that you are the one in error. I will never take it lightly with you ppl. Inspite of your many errors and lies. You ppl still claim to be the only true ppl. Thieves!

MaxInDHouse:


You can't prove any of the above because:

"There are many things not recorded in your bible" ~ bobestman

MaxInDHouse:

You can't prove any of the above because:

"There are many things not recorded in your bible" ~ bobestman

bobestman:

John 20:30; 21:25. You are a baby spiritually. Even many of the translators ommited certain things for reasons known to them. It is not just to read, without knowledge you can't understand. I am not your mate on these things

bobestman:

I gave you a verse up their. You are a big fool

MaxInDHouse:


Was there a comma in the original writing?

Ọmọ it's translators who added chapters, verses and the punctuations.