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Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman: 10:41pm On Dec 09, 2023
NNTR:




"It doesnt mean, as you claim, baptized in water, because of the fact that, the baby in the first place, isnt or wasn't dipped into water"

baptized literally means DIPPED.
Why don't you look up the Greek word too wink
Re: JOHN 3:16. by Kobojunkie: 10:42pm On Dec 09, 2023
undecided
1 Before the world began, the Word was there. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was there with God in the beginning.
3 Everything was made through him, and nothing was made without him.
4 In him there was life, and that life was a light for the people of the world.
5 The light[b] shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not defeated it.- John 1 vs 1 - 5
According to John 1, the Word of God was with God from the beginning... and had Life(Spirit of Eternal Life) in Him. This, the same Word of God that became a man and lived among men
14 The Word became a man and lived among us. We saw his divine greatness—the greatness that belongs to the only Son of the Father. The Word was full of grace and truth.
15 John told people about him. He said loudly, “This is the one I was talking about when I said, ‘The one who is coming after me is greater than I am, because he was living before I was even born.’”
16 Yes, the Word was full of grace and truth, and from him we all received one blessing after another.
17 That is, the law was given to us through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
18 No one has ever seen God. The only Son is the one who has shown us what God is like. He is himself God and is very close to the Father. - John 1 vs 14 - 18


The question remains exactly what is the identity of the Spirit that came upon Jesus Christ and rested on Him after He was baptized? Aren't we getting ahead of ourselves by concluding that Jesus Christ had no spirit in Him until a spirit arrived and rested instead on him after he was baptized? undecided
Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman: 10:44pm On Dec 09, 2023
Kobojunkie:
undecided
According to John 1, the Word of God was with God from the beginning... and had Life(Spirit of Eternal Life) in Him. This, the same Word of God that became a man and lived among men

It was talking about the spirit which is also the word of god, Jesus was to deliver the message of the father, that's his commandment, there's only ONE.

John 3:34
The One whom God has sent to represent him will speak the words of God, because God has poured out upon him the fullness of the Holy Spirit without limitation.


John 1:32
32 Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him.
Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman: 10:45pm On Dec 09, 2023
Kobojunkie:
undecided

The question remains exactly what is the identity of the Spirit that came upon Jesus Christ and rested on Him after He was baptized? Aren't we getting ahead of ourselves by concluding that Jesus Christ had no spirit in Him until a spirit arrived and rested instead on him after he was baptized? undecided
You should first learn what "spirit" means, it's also called shekinah.

The spirit is the word of God, that was with God and all that.
Jesus was born a normal man and he got the holy spirit, same way David did


1 Samuel 16:13.
Then Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed David in the presence of his brothers, and the Spirit of the Lord came on David from that day forward. Then Samuel got up and went to Ramah.

John 1:32 Then John gave this testimony: “i saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him.
Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman: 10:55pm On Dec 09, 2023
Kobojunkie:
undecided
God was with God from the beginning... and had Life(Spirit of Eternal Life) in Him.

The spirit gives life.
John 6:63
The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit[a] and life.
Re: JOHN 3:16. by Kobojunkie: 11:15pm On Dec 09, 2023
And so, if the Word(The Way aka God's Law) already embodied Grace(Eternal Life) and Truth even before the baptism event— basically, He already had the Spirit of God's Law, Spirit of Truth, and Spirit of Eternal Life in Him — then it follows that the identity of the spirit or at least the purpose must be linked to the Baptism that John carried out.
1. The Good News about Jesus the Messiah, the Son of God,[a] begins
2 with what the prophet Isaiah said would happen. He wrote: “Listen! I will send my messenger ahead of you. He will prepare the way for you.”
3 “There is someone shouting in the desert: ‘Prepare the way for the Lord. Make the road straight for him.’” - Mark 1 vs 1 - 3
In the above passage, we see that John's job was to prepare the way...
11 “I baptize you with water to show that you have changed your hearts and lives. But there is someone coming later who is able to do more than I can. I am not good enough to be the slave who takes off his sandals. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.
12 He will come ready to clean the grain. He will separate the good grain from the straw, and he will put the good part into his barn. Then he will burn the useless part with a fire that cannot be stopped.”
13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan River. He came to John, wanting John to baptize him.
14 But John tried to stop him. John said, “Why do you come to me to be baptized? I should be baptized by you!”
15 Jesus answered, “Let it be this way for now. We should do whatever God says is right.” Then John agreed.
16 So Jesus was baptized. As soon as he came up out of the water, the sky opened, and he saw God’s Spirit coming down on him like a dove.
17 A voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, the one I love. I am very pleased with him.” - Matthew 3 vs 11 - 17
...and the conversation between Jesus Christ and John before the baptism happened leads one to believe that the duty that John had was essential to the plan. So it reasonably follows that the Spirit which came down on Jesus Christ right after He was baptized was linked with that necessary for preparing the way. undecided
Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman: 11:19pm On Dec 09, 2023
Kobojunkie:
And so, if the Word(The Way aka God's Law) already embodied Grace(Eternal Life) and Truth even before the baptism event— basically, He already had the Spirit of God's Law, Spirit of Truth, and Spirit of Eternal Life in Him — then it follows that the identity of the spirit or at least the purpose must be linked to the Baptism that John carried out.
The word is the spirit, the spirit is the son of god.
That's why the spirit led him to the wilderness to be taught on the word.

Mark 1'12
At once the Spirit sent him out into the wilderness,
Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman: 11:22pm On Dec 09, 2023
Kobojunkie:

In the above passage, we see that John's job was to prepare the way...
...and the conversation between Jesus Christ and John before the baptism happened leads one to believe that the duty that John had was essential to the plan. So it makes reasonable follows that the Spirit which came down on Jesus Christ was linked with that necessary for preparing the way. undecided
Matthew used book of Mark to write his book. that's absent in Mark.

In john, the reason why he was doing all this is because he did not know who the spirit will land on, he had a sign on how to identify it though.

John 1:31
I myself did not know him, but the reason I came baptizing with water was that he might be revealed to Israel.”

John 1:33
And I myself did not know him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is the one who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.

John baptize with water, Jesus baptize with holy spirit.

The testimony that Jesus got is more than john.
John 5:36
But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.
Re: JOHN 3:16. by NNTR: 11:39pm On Dec 09, 2023
Maynman:

Born again Means come from above.
being born again” is ἄνωθεν, anothen, which means from above.
Luke 2:39-52
39And when they had done everything [in connection with Jesus’ birth] according to the Law of the Lord, they went back to Galilee, to their own city, Nazareth.
40And the Child continued to grow and become strong [in spirit], filled with wisdom; and the grace (favor, spiritual blessing) of God was upon Him.
41Now His parents went to Jerusalem every year for the Passover Feast.
42And when He was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem, according to the custom of the Feast;
43and as they were returning [to Nazareth], after spending the required number of days [at the Feast], the boy Jesus remained behind in Jerusalem. Now His parents did not know this,
44but supposed Him to be in the caravan, and traveled a day’s journey; and [then] they began searching [anxiously] for Him among their relatives and acquaintances.
45When they did not find Him, they went back to Jerusalem looking for Him [everywhere].
46Three days later they found Him in the [court of the] temple, sitting among the teachers, both listening to them and asking them questions.
47All who heard Him were amazed by His intelligence and His understanding and His answers.
48When they saw Him, they were overwhelmed; and His mother said to Him, “Son, why have You treated us like this? Listen, Your father and I have been [greatly distressed and] anxiously looking for You.”
49And He answered, “Why did you have to look for Me? Did you not know that I had to be in My Father’s house?”
50But they did not understand what He had said to them.
51He went down to Nazareth with them, and was continually submissive and obedient to them; and His mother treasured all these things in her heart.
52And Jesus kept increasing in wisdom and in stature, and in favor with God and men.


Luke 2:39-52 above is about Yahshua aka Jesus at age 12, dazzling and extremely impressing everyone with how much He knew. His intelligence, His understanding and His answers didnt go unnoticed

Absolutely, 'Born again' can be taken to mean 'come from above', while 'being born again' (i.e. ἄνωθεν, anothen,) means 'from above', however, abiding by how it is used in John 3:3 (i.e. Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, unless you are born again, you cannot see the Kingdom of God), 'born again' in that context, means, 'come into existence from above, from a higher place, from heaven, even from the beginning, or from an origin' et cetera

This is a rebirth, a spiritual event. Now here's an interesting fact, naysayers, scoffers, mockers, cynics, pagans et cetera dont see, never see and never will see anything good about the kingdom, for the simple reason because they are not born again. They are not born from above, and so are not spiritually rebirthed aka not regenerated, or nor renewed.

It's more the reason, we have atheists, it is because regeneration has not taken place in atheists et al and so is why they are quick to rubbish and/or never want to acknowledge any moves, any demonstrations and any power of the kingdom of God.

Such people dont believe who Jesus is, that He is God and that the miraculous signs are evidence that God is with Jesus, who is the preincarnate and incarnate God

Born again, is meant to be a given. To acknowledge God, to accept, confess, recognise, appreciate, own up, concede, realise and admit occurrences or events of the demonstration of the power of God is proof that one is born again aka born from above (i.e. anew). Thats the point Jesus wanted Nicodemus to know and grasp

Kk, lets review the Nicodemus' clandestine private meeting, he had with Jesus (i.e. John 3:3-7)

At John 3:2, yes, Nicodemus recognised, admitted and confessed that he has observed the demonstrated power and moves done by Jesus, and all these events and occurrences that left him with the impression that they were all of God, so at John 3:3, Jesus informed Nicodemus that, its only a person born from on high or above, which also is known as being 'born again' (i.e. a person regenerated or renewed essentially) that is capable of seeing, that all those events and occurrences, the demonstrated power and move done by Jesus are all of God.

So,'Born Again', in regards to believers, being a given, is the reason why Jesus never publicly preached 'born again'. The subject 'born again', only came up for discussion accidentally, and even Jesus reprimanded Nicodemus for being a teacher of Israel and not knowing biblical basic no-brainer things, such as 'Born Again', 'seeing the kingdom' and 'entering the kingdom'

Every believer, by default, is born again, meaning, it is unlikely that a believer is not born again. Abraham, Moses, Nicodemus, the disciples, the Apostles et cetera were all born again, aka, born from on high, born of the Spirit. Yes, we all (e.g. Rahab, Ruth, Simeon, Job et cetera) get born of the Spirit, from the moment will believe. Now as believers, the instalment of the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the manifestation of the Spirit soon after follow in tandem.

As a makeshift comparison, this thread was birthed by you. The idea came from you, came into existence, out from your heart, mind, brain, head, hand and fingers

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Re: JOHN 3:16. by NNTR: 11:39pm On Dec 09, 2023
Maynman:
"It doesnt mean, as you claim, baptized in water, because of the fact that, the baby in the first place, isnt or wasn't dipped into water"

baptized literally means DIPPED.
Why don't you look up the Greek word too wink
John 3:5
Jesus answered,
“I assure you and most solemnly say to you,
unless one is born of water and the Spirit
he cannot [ever] enter the kingdom of God.


When a baby is ready to be born, the amniotic sac, which surrounds the baby and contains amniotic fluid, breaks and the fluid comes out through the vjay. This is whats referred to as waters breaking, and ultimately leading to the baby be born of water.

Now essentially, its takes a human born of water to see, appreciate and acknowledge the power of the Kingdom, while it takes to be born of water and be born again (i.e. a fundamental change brought on from born by the Spirit) to enter into the kingdom. It basically is a paradigm shift

Reproduce where I used 'baptized in water'. Jesus didnt use baptise and neither did I

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman: 11:41pm On Dec 09, 2023
NNTR:
Luke 2:39-52
39And when they had done everything [in connection with Jesus’ birth] according to the Law of the Lord, they went back to Galilee, to their own city, Nazareth.
40And the Child continued to grow and become strong [in spirit], filled with wisdom; and the grace (favor, spiritual blessing) of God was upon Him.
41Now His parents went to Jerusalem every year for the Passover Feast.
42And when He was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem, according to the custom of the Feast;
43and as they were returning [to Nazareth], after spending the required number of days [at the Feast], the boy Jesus remained behind in Jerusalem. Now His parents did not know this,
44but supposed Him to be in the caravan, and traveled a day’s journey; and [then] they began searching [anxiously] for Him among their relatives and acquaintances.
45When they did not find Him, they went back to Jerusalem looking for Him [everywhere].
46Three days later they found Him in the [court of the] temple, sitting among the teachers, both listening to them and asking them questions.
47All who heard Him were amazed by His intelligence and His understanding and His answers.
48When they saw Him, they were overwhelmed; and His mother said to Him, “Son, why have You treated us like this? Listen, Your father and I have been [greatly distressed and] anxiously looking for You.”
49And He answered, “Why did you have to look for Me? Did you not know that I had to be in My Father’s house?”
50But they did not understand what He had said to them.
51He went down to Nazareth with them, and was continually submissive and obedient to them; and His mother treasured all these things in her heart.
52And Jesus kept increasing in wisdom and in stature, and in favor with God and men.


Luke 2:39-52 above is about Yahshua aka Jesus at age 12, dazzling and extremely impressing everyone with how much He knew. His intelligence, His understanding and His answers didnt go unnoticed


So when did Jesus go to Egypt in Luke?
Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman: 11:46pm On Dec 09, 2023
NNTR:
John 3:5
Jesus answered,
“I assure you and most solemnly say to you,
unless one is born of water and the Spirit
he cannot [ever] enter the kingdom of God.


When a baby is ready to be born, the amniotic sac, which surrounds the baby and contains amniotic fluid, breaks and the fluid comes out through the vjay. This is whats referred to as waters breaking, and ultimately leading to the baby be born of water.

Now essentially, its takes a human born of water to see, appreciate and acknowledge the power of the Kingdom, while it takes to be born of water and be born again (i.e. a fundamental change brought on from born by the Spirit) to enter into the kingdom. It basically is a paradigm shift

Reproduce where I used 'baptized in water'. Jesus didnt use baptise and neither did I

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.



Baptising Is use of water, baptize means dipping.
Jesus and his discples also did baptism, to the extent that more people came to Jesus for baptism.

Nicodemus was already born, he can't go back to womb.

And please water breaking does not mean be born of water, you are born of the womb.

Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman: 11:48pm On Dec 09, 2023
NNTR:


Reproduce where I used 'baptized in water'. Jesus didnt use baptise and neither did I

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.



Re: JOHN 3:16. by NNTR: 11:49pm On Dec 09, 2023
Maynman:
So when did Jesus go to Egypt in Luke?
You're all over the place

Each of the gospels are tailored for different captive audiences and coming from different perspectives and/or angles. Whatever is not captured from one angle, not covered or seen from one perspective, will be captured, covered and seen from another by one or more of the other gospels from different angles or perspectives

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Re: JOHN 3:16. by NNTR: 11:58pm On Dec 09, 2023
Maynman:
It doesnt mean, as you claim, baptized in water, because of the fact that, the baby in the first place, isnt or wasn't dipped into water"

baptized literally means DIPPED.
Why don't you look up the Greek word too
Re: "Water Baptism Is A Useless Practice" Says Pastor Abel Damina by NNTR: 3:22am On Nov 05, 2021
https://www.nairaland.com/6835123/water-baptism-useless-practice-says#107341647

Check above link to see it was Kobojunkie who used it, with me doing a setting straight rebuttal.

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.

Re: JOHN 3:16. by Kobojunkie: 12:04am On Dec 10, 2023
NNTR:
https://www.nairaland.com/6835123/water-baptism-useless-practice-says#107341647

Check above link to see it was Kobojunkie who used it, with me doing a setting straight rebuttal,
You should have probably asked me to clarify rather than make assumptions of the sort you made.

Water Baptism is a ritual to commemorate — as stated by John the Baptist in Matthew 3 vs 7 - 11 — that one has abandoned the Old Fountain of Living Water(YHWH aka the Old Law of Moses) and embraces instead the new Fountain of Living WATER that is Jesus Christ

https://www.nairaland.com/7110397/gospel-minddump/4#127404317

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Re: JOHN 3:16. by NNTR: 12:11am On Dec 10, 2023
NNTR:
Stay focussed on John 3:1-21 alone and stop behaving like a prat or repetitive bot.

There isnt a single word nor any words about 'baptized in water', 'need to die to their old life', 'forgives sins', or even 'wash away sins' in the entirety of John 3:1-21

Ask yourself these questions.
Why did Nicodemus turn up in the dead of night to have a private audience with Jesus?
What was Nicodemus' opening remark?

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.





Kobojunkie:
You should have probably asked me to clarify rather than make assumptions of the sort you made.

Water Baptism is a ritual to commemorate — as stated by John the Baptist in Matthew 3 vs 7 - 11 — that one has abandoned the Old Fountain of Living Water(YHWH aka the Old Law of Moses) and embraces instead the new Fountain of Living WATER that is Jesus Christ
Was at length on that thread, and didnt see you come back after my last post on the thread (i.e. which is what you see reproduced above)

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Re: JOHN 3:16. by Kobojunkie: 12:37am On Dec 10, 2023
NNTR:
Was at length on that thread, and didnt see you come back after my last post on the thread (i.e. which is what you see reproduced above)
It is Ok if you do not see what I see but that does not give you go ahead to post any nonsense you cook up only to then claim it is what I believe. undecided

What in the world has a baby to do with any of what John and Jesus Christ taught? undecided

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Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman: 3:36am On Dec 10, 2023
NNTR:
You're all over the place

Each of the gospels are tailored for different captive audiences and coming from different perspectives and/or angles. Whatever is not captured from one angle, not covered or seen from one perspective, will be captured, covered and seen from another by one or more of the other gospels from different angles or perspectives

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
You are the one all over the place, MARK is the basis of Luke and Matthew, that's why it's called synoptic gospel.


So explain how is Jesus captured in book of Matthew when he went to stay in Egypt because of Herod and balance it with the book of luke where that isn't mention.
When was Herod time? When was the census conducted?
Is Jesus parents from Nazareth or Bethelem?

Is like you didn't know that Matthew and Luke are 2 different stories about Jesus birth.

There's a reason the only story about Jesus childhood was when he was AGE 12.
He has 12 discples, the house of Israel is 12, Jews have 12 hours, we have 12 star signs.

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Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman: 3:54am On Dec 10, 2023
NNTR:
Re: "Water Baptism Is A Useless Practice" Says Pastor Abel Damina by NNTR: 3:22am On Nov 05, 2021
https://www.nairaland.com/6835123/water-baptism-useless-practice-says#107341647


Even in that Luke, it was after the baptism that he got the holy spirit and started his mission at age 30.


Luke 3:21
When all the people were baptized, it came to pass that Jesus also was baptized; and while He prayed, the heaven was opened, And the Holy Spirit descended in bodily form like a dove upon Him, and a voice came from heaven which said, “You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased.”

Jesus got the holy spirit after the baptism, that same spirit that descended on him took him to the wilderness where he was taught for 40 days and night, before the baptism, no spirit descended on him and was not called son of man, that's why Jesus baptism is present in ALL gospel, Jesus virgin birth is later formulated story.
Re: JOHN 3:16. by NNTR: 9:20am On Dec 10, 2023
Maynman:
You are the one all over the place, MARK is the basis of Luke and Matthew, that's why it's called synoptic gospel.
Synoptic, simply means summary, now, as earlier advanced, Matthew was directed to the Jew aka Hebrew audience, Mark was written for the Romans audience in mind, Luke was designed to address the Greeks, while John's narrative, however, was targeted at an international world wide or cosmopolitan audience

Maynman:
So explain how is Jesus captured in book of Matthew when he went to stay in Egypt because of Herod and balance it with the book of luke where that isn't mention.
When was Herod time? When was the census conducted?
Is Jesus parents from Nazareth or Bethelem?
What point are you trying to make with all this darting up and down the place

Maynman:
Is like you didn't know that Matthew and Luke are 2 different stories about Jesus birth.
On the surface, it seemingly looks like two different stories, but really isnt case of two different stories

Maynman:
There's a reason the only story about Jesus childhood was when he was AGE 12.
Yes, there is

Maynman:
He has 12 discples, the house of Israel is 12, Jews have 12 hours, we have 12 star signs.
Jesus was not limited to 12 disciples, as He actually had hundreds of disciples

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman: 9:24am On Dec 10, 2023
NNTR:
Synoptic, simply means summary, now, as earlier advanced, Matthew was directed to the Jew aka Hebrew audience, Mark was written for the Romans audience in mind, Luke was designed to address the Greeks, while John's narrative, however, was targeted at an international world wide or cosmopolitan audience

What point are you trying to make with all this darting up and down the place




That's not what synoptic gospels mean, MARK is the first Gospel to be written, the unknown authors of Matthew and Luke used MARK to write their story, they literally COPIED IT.

any Jew that has read Matthew, will know that it's hogwash.
John was a book that was used by the Gnostics, hence "logos".

Have knowledge on the books you are basing your life on FIRST.

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Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman: 9:27am On Dec 10, 2023
NNTR:


On the surface, it seemingly looks like two different stories, but really isnt case of two different stories

Yes, there is

Jesus was not limited to 12 disciples, as He actually had hundreds of disciples

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
They are different stories, Herod was DEAD TEN YEARS before the census, can you explain how they are same?
And why did Jesus go to Egypt?

Jesus had 12 discples that he appointed out of his other discples.
When other discples left him after telling them they will eat and drink his flesh and blood, it was only the 12 discples that he INTENTIONALLY chose that remained.

John 6:70
Re: JOHN 3:16. by NNTR: 9:40am On Dec 10, 2023
If being honest with you, you're ranting and raving over nothing.
I am running late going out, so I'll have to revert in a few hours time when back to put straight and lay justice your many misunderstandings.
For now, know that Herod isnt a name, its a title, and akin to saying, president, (i.e. which president) go figure the rest

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman: 9:43am On Dec 10, 2023
NNTR:
If being honest with you, you're ranting and raving over nothing.
I am running late going out, so I'll have to revert in a few hours time when back to put straight and lay justice.
For now, know that Herod isnt a name, its a title, and akin to saying, president, (i.e. which president) go figure the rest
you are the one that's empty on this topic, ordinarily synoptic you don't know.

When you are done deluding yourself, you'll tell me who the KING of Judea was.
HEROD is the The name of the family of political rulers over the Jews.

Re: JOHN 3:16. by NNTR: 6:17pm On Dec 10, 2023
Maynman:
you are the one that's empty on this topic
Empty on what topic?

Maynman:
... ordinarily synoptic you don't know.
1. Are you refuting that 'synoptic, simply means summary' then?
2. According to your best understanding define, synoptic

Reading each of the first four books in the New Testament in isolation of each other, deprives one of getting a 3-D holistic grasp of the gospel truth, as it tantamount to viewing from one perspective

The two below attachments are self explanatory pics that speak a billion words

Maynman:
When you are done deluding yourself
Having the best time of my life. Delusion isnt on my list nor radar

Maynman:
you'll tell me who the KING of Judea was.
You have to be specific.
Be specific about saying, what time and who in relation to, that you want to know who the king of Judea was

Do you now concede that you're all over the place and changing subjects a lot without reason. I've lost count how many times you've flip-flopped on subject matters.

What really is the bane of your life? Whats this your anxiety all about?

Maynman:
HEROD is the The name of the family of political rulers over the Jews.
Essentially you're confirming what I'd already advanced, that the word Herod, is a title name, just as we have President, Prime Minister, King, Governor, Taoiseach, First Minister et cetera

We don’t see things, as they are, we see them as we are. It is a narrow mind which cannot look at a subject from various points of view

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.

Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman: 6:20pm On Dec 10, 2023
NNTR:
Empty on what topic?

1. Are you refuting that 'synoptic, simply means summary' then?
2. According to your best understanding define, synoptic

Reading each of the first four books in the New Testament in isolation of each other, deprives one of getting a 3-D holistic grasp of the gospel truth, as it tantamount to viewing from one perspective

Having the best time of my life. Delusion isnt on my list nor radar

You have to be specific.
Be specific about saying, what time and who in relation to, that you want to know who the king of Judea was

Do you now concede that you're all over the place and changing subjects a lot without reason. I've lost count how many times you've flip-flopped on subject matters.

What really is the bane of your life? Whats this your anxiety all about?

I said, synoptic gospels, and it's like religion is not allowing you to free your mind?
MARK is the first Gospel to be written, the unknown authors of Matthew and Luke used MARK to write their story, they literally COPIED IT.

any Jew that has read Matthew, will know that it's hogwash


How many Herod was king of Judea?

Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman: 6:22pm On Dec 10, 2023
NNTR:

Essentially you're confirming what I'd already advanced, that the word Herod, is a title name, just as we have President, Prime Minister, King, Governor, Taoiseach, First Minister et cetera


Wtf, prime minister is not a family name, first minster is not a family name. King is not a family name.

Herod is a name of a family, who else was not in Herod family that bear the name as a title?
Is your surname a title?

Re: JOHN 3:16. by NNTR: 7:35pm On Dec 10, 2023
Maynman:
I said, synoptic gospels
1. Are you refuting that 'synoptic, simply means summary' then?
2. According to your best understanding define, synoptic

Kk, if you cant be bothered to answer the two questions reproduced above from my last post, then kindly state exactly and describe clearly what the meaning of synoptic gospels means then

Maynman:
and it's like religion is not allowing you to free your mind?
You havent a Scooby Doo idea what religion that is without flaws and such that God finds no fault in.

Yes, unbeknownst to you, you have a religion, and your religion, is allowing you to use your precious and valuable free time to be used up for getting up to mischief, posting ungodly posts et cetera

Maynman:
MARK is the first Gospel to be written, the unknown authors of Matthew and Luke used MARK to write their story, they literally COPIED IT.
So? And then? Why not, go file a lawsuit and sue them for plagiarism. Hmm?

Maynman:
any Jew that has read Matthew, will know that it's hogwash
Why dont I come across as surprised that a considerable proportions of Jews of some sort, read Matthew, and conclude that it's hogwash

Considering the fact, there exists Messianic Jews, who read Matthews and dont know nor see it as hogwash, you surely, now must admit that you're over stretching the truth that 'any Jew that has read Matthew, will know that it's hogwash'

Maynman:
How many Herod was king of Judea?
Beloved this is the Herod dynasty under discussion here, isnt it?
So what's the point you want to make with, asking me a 'How many Herod was king of Judea?' unexpected question. Hmm?

I reiterate my earlier humble request, that, you be specific. Be specific about stating, what time and who in relation to, that you want to know who the king of Judea was then

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Re: JOHN 3:16. by NNTR: 7:35pm On Dec 10, 2023
Maynman:
Wtf,
Beloved, calm down, calm down. Calm down
Wtf, where's the faith, when a distressed brother needs one

Maynman:
prime minister is not a family name, first minster is not a family name. King is not a family name.

Herod is a name of a family, who else was not in Herod family that bear the name as a title?
Is your surname a title?
They are titles, arent they though. I rest my case

Hmm. Kk now, why not take Caesar for size then.
I know you're smart and clever enough to know what I've done just there

What sort of bee sef, is it, you have there inside your bonnet?

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman: 7:54pm On Dec 10, 2023
NNTR:
Beloved, calm down, calm down. Calm down
Wtf, where's the faith, when a distressed brother needs one

They are titles, arent they though. I rest my case

Hmm. Kk now, why not take Caesar for size then.
I know you're smart and clever enough to know what I've done just there

What sort of bee sef, is it, you have there inside your bonnet?

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Herod is a name of a family. Is your surname a title?

You are just deluding yourself, shows what religion can do
Re: JOHN 3:16. by Maynman: 7:55pm On Dec 10, 2023
NNTR:
1. Are you refuting that 'synoptic, simply means summary' then?
2. According to your best understanding define, synoptic

Kk, if you cant be bothered to answer the two questions reproduced above from my last post, then kindly state exactly and describe clearly what the meaning of synoptic gospels means then

You havent a Scooby Doo idea what religion that is without flaws and such that God finds no fault in.

Yes, unbeknownst to you, you have a religion, and your religion, is allowing you to use your precious and valuable free time to be used up for getting up to mischief, posting ungodly posts et cetera

So? And then? Why not, go file a lawsuit and sue them for plagiarism. Hmm?

Why dont I come across as surprised that a considerable proportions of Jews of some sort, read Matthew, and conclude that it's hogwash

Considering the fact, there exists Messianic Jews, who read Matthews and dont know nor see it as hogwash, you surely, now must admit that you're over stretching the truth that 'any Jew that has read Matthew, will know that it's hogwash'

Beloved this is the Herod dynasty under discussion here, isnt it?
So what's the point you want to make with, asking me a 'How many Herod was king of Judea?' unexpected question. Hmm?

I reiterate my earlier humble request, that, you be specific. Be specific about stating, what time and who in relation to, that you want to know who the king of Judea was then

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Jargons.

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