FRANCISTOWN:


I don't consider those things as sins. I just don't see no reasons to add them to my lifestyle. It's not like I'm better than those who do them. I just feel like they don't add any value to MY own life, emphasis on "my".

Whether they are real christians or fake christians. They still confess and believe in Jesus. Their confession and believe add no values to their lives. They still end up doing what their religion tells them not to do.

It's not if true, I'm telling you the truth. It's not like you'd credit my account for saying this.

I cannot add Jesus because:
1. I have not seen the advantage of that Jesus in the lives of those who believe in him.
2. I do not believe Jesus ever lived or walked on the surface of this earth.
3. The book that introduces Jesus(bible) lacks the required credibility
4 Let's assume Jesus were real(Which can never be ). He hasn't told me to follow him.
5. Even if he asked me to follow him face to face. I'd never do that. I don't want someone who took a donkey that was not his own for a role model. I have high standards.

Therefore, Jesus cannot love me. Inexistent things can't love living or non living things.

Jesus never lived

If you don't believe Jesus ever lived, it's simply because you don't want to because there are undeniable evidence to this effect. If you can believe that Caesar lived but not Jesus, then the problem is not with Him ever living but your sentiments blindly rejecting that undeniable historical fact.

FRANCISTOWN:
That was sarcasm, simply giving christians a dose of their own prescription.

But if we both agreed to that?
Christianity requires someone to suspend the use of brain. They became atheists because they couldn't afford to be foolish for a long time.

That's fair enough. But as for the bolded that's as ignorant as they could possibly come, because the best and intelligent minds that have ever lived have been Christians. Noah (invented the Ark/cargo ship), Joseph (invented the pyramids/world biggest storage facility), Daniel, Shedrach, Meshach, Abednego, (masterminded the hanging gardens of Babylon/Nebuchadnezzar etc.), Isaac Newton (world's greatest scientist in history) etc. You may deny the rest not existing because of sentiments but not Isaac Newton, and he was openly a devout Christian. So you're obviously wrong my friend on your assertion.

FRANCISTOWN:

I'm not willing. I'm not interested. I don't have a spare time for an imaginary figure.
He should reveal himself to people on mountains and those on the sick beds who are desperately praying for his visitation.

It makes sense why you haven't and may never receive what you claim would make you believe God exists, because you won't believe in Him regardless. Such privilege is only meant for those who would.

FRANCISTOWN:
Mtcheeeeew. Total waste of my time.
I was expecting someone to say they saw an amputee's limb regrow.
I apologize for gracing this thread with my presence.

I would have loved to share testimonies with you but as Jackanda1 rightly said, it is better for you to actually go to good churches and you will see many signs/evidences being done and happening in people's lives.
But then only God calls who will be saved.

Myer:

I would have loved to share testimonies with you but as Jackanda1 rightly said, it is better for you to actually go to good churches and you will see many signs/evidences being done and happening in people's lives.
But then only God calls who will be saved.

I don't believe in personal testimonies (an individual personal account). An individual could be lying.

Mention one good church please.

atheistconverta:
It makes sense why you haven't and may never receive what you claim would make you believe God exists, because you won't believe in Him regardless. Such privilege is only meant for those who would.

Even if a God jumped down from heaven today and went like "Yo! I'm the god of the whole world". I'd still not be impressed, let that god know that scientists are by far greater than him. Science has been able to do something for the amputees which no god will ever be able to do.
Hence what's the advantage of god?

atheistconverta:
That's fair enough. But as for the bolded that's as ignorant as they could possibly come, because the best and intelligent minds that have ever lived have been Christians. Noah (invented the Ark/cargo ship), Joseph (invented the pyramids/world biggest storage facility), Daniel, Shedrach, Meshach, Abednego, (masterminded the hanging gardens of Babylon/Nebuchadnezzar etc.), Isaac Newton (world's greatest scientist in history) etc. You may deny the rest not existing because of sentiments but not Isaac Newton, and he was openly a devout Christian. So you're obviously wrong my friend on your assertion.

Well. I disagree that Isaac Newton remains the greatest scientist to ever live. Never!

Isaac Newton has never openly acknowledged that any spirit influenced his discoveries. Rather, he acknowledged standing on the shoulders of giants. Which means, Isaac Newton could only go far, thanks to the works of the scientists before him. In which many of them were pure atheists.

Really intelligent people always have an area of weakness.
For Newton it was the inability to escape the God delusion.
What of Hawking?
Elon has speech impediments.
Albert Einstein in all his greatness and mightineas had difficulties combing his hair. E.T.C
Prof. Wole Soyinka in all his intelligence may not be able to solve some elementary maths.
No matter how great you are, there is always something you are ignorant of.
It could even be about religion.

atheistconverta:
Former NL Atheist Michellekabod1's testimony:

https://www.nairaland.com/5023710/thank-god-finally-don-port#75735602

You should have dug deeper on this one to find how we ended up.

https://www.nairaland.com/5023710/thank-god-finally-don-port/15#80679857

budaatum:

Michellekabod2, thank you for writing the story of our conversion, for mine was exactly the same as yours, though all threads and everyone was involved.

It was funny when jesus arrived. I was going to be his satan but he saw right through me, then I saw him tempted by real devils. Jnr, is it not true that you have had to argue with the Christians more than the atheists since you arrived? The ones I witnessed were on the proportions of Jesus, the Pharisees and the Sadducees!


Yes, it is a beginning! And isn't that glorious? There is a thread on here about spirits. You will create some about the Holy Spirit, and if you find any in the archives revive it. All that time ahead of us and this is the beginning of moreso than this will be done by people with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ the Messiah, Aleluya Amen.

budaatum:


You should have dug deeper on this one to find how we ended up.

https://www.nairaland.com/5023710/thank-god-finally-don-port/15#80679857

I actually dug much deeper than what you have here. That's how I knew yours was fake as kobojunkies but hers real. And her conversion posts provided here reflects her current state of mind. So kindly update yourself. By the way don't ask me how though. Some things are best left secret.

atheistconverta:
I actually dug much deeper than what you have here. That's how I knew yours was fake as kobojunkies but hers real. And her conversion posts provided here reflects her current state of mind. So kindly update yourself. By the way don't ask me how though. Some things are best left secret.

Deeper than being in touch with her off NL?

Michelle felt hounded by Christians, and in particular her suppose converter, and left.

budaatum:


Deeper than being in touch with her off NL?

Michelle felt hounded by Christians, and in particular her suppose converter, and left.

I told you to update yourself, didn't I? Stop living in the past. Even marriages that start very well, end up breaking up after a while, but still amend after several years. After they amend, would you still speak of them as broken and not as they were prior to that? If you like though keep speaking ignorantly, your choice. That all I have to say to you.



Modified: That should have been all but let me kindly assist you a bit with the screenshots below since you seem lost. This was the same person you claimed was hounded out of the forum by same the person she's begging to come back to the forum. There's another post where she says she misses the same person and pleads for him to come back because according to her, the NL guys, including the "Martinez" she "reported" back to, unfortunately though I couldn't find that one now. They say, you never miss a good thing until it's gone, it appears they were actually speaking of her.

FRANCISTOWN:

Even if a God jumped down from heaven today and went like "Yo! I'm the god of the whole world". I'd still not be impressed, let that god know that scientists are by far greater than him. Science has been able to do something for the amputees which no god will ever be able to do.
Hence what's the advantage of god?

God will never waste His time to try convince someone who mind is sealed up already against Him regardless of what He does. Since you're not willing, it's best you resigned your mind and forgot about God ever trying to show you anything until you become willing to believe. The science you worship is only a copycat at best, yet there are some things God made that science can't copy as we speak. God is the Creator if only you could comprehend that. So there's no basis of comparison except that science tries to copy from the work God did on how to replicate it.

FRANCISTOWN:

Well. I disagree that Isaac Newton remains the greatest scientist to ever live. Never!

Isaac Newton has never openly acknowledged that any spirit influenced his discoveries. Rather, he acknowledged standing on the shoulders of giants. Which means, Isaac Newton could only go far, thanks to the works of the scientists before him. In which many of them were pure atheists.

Really intelligent people always have an area of weakness.
For Newton it was the inability to escape the God delusion.
What of Hawking?
Elon has speech impediments.
Albert Einstein in all his greatness and mightineas had difficulties combing his hair. E.T.C
Prof. Wole Soyinka in all his intelligence may not be able to solve some elementary maths.
No matter how great you are, there is always something you are ignorant of.
It could even be about religion.

Why would you agree when he has proven the ignorance of your claim it takes someone to forget his brain to be a christian? Even if he's not the greatest to you as he was to most, including those in the science field, it will take the highest order of personal bias to deny the fact that he's one of the greatest. Yet he was a devout Christian while being that, so please spare me your desperate excuses and humbly acknowledge your blatant error. It's the more mature thing to do.

atheistconverta:
Why would you agree when he has proven the ignorance of your claim it takes someone to forget his brain to be a christian? Even if he's not the greatest to you as he was to most, including those in the science field, it will take the highest order of personal bias to deny the fact that he's one of the greatest. Yet he was a devout Christian while being that, so please spare me your desperate excuses and humbly acknowledge your blatant error. It's the more mature thing to do.

In the science field. Some scientists won't rate Sir. I. Newton in their top 10. Sir Isaac Newton in all his intelligence made one big terrible error about gravity, which was later exposed and corrected by Albert Einstein. Would that nullify Newton's greatness ?
Never!
But it's to show that brilliant people also make mistakes. Just so you know, there were scientists who knew about gravity before Newton, but they were just not as accurate.

So I tell you again. Many many people won't put Newton in their top 10 greatest of all time.

If Sir. Newton could make mistakes in his own area of expertise, his own invention. Tell me why he couldn't make mistakes about other people's invention (god and religion). Therefore, Newton was foolish about religion. Though he may not be totally foolish, because at a time, he discovered that , the true religion had been altered by the early christians to suit their agenda.

Since you decided to play dirty. There were lots of scientists who were atheists/Deist/agnostics or of other religions aside christianity.

atheistconverta:
God will never waste His time to try convince someone who mind is sealed up already against Him regardless of what He does. Since you're not willing, it's best you resigned your mind and forgot about God ever trying to show you anything until you become willing to believe. The science you worship is only a copycat at best, yet there are some things God made that science can't copy as we speak. God is the Creator if only you could comprehend that. So there's no basis of comparison except that science tries to copy from the work God did on how to replicate it.

Like I had said. I'm not interested in meeting any God, I'm busy. I have useful things to do with my time.
He has not even physically met those who believe or are desperate to meet him. 😂

I have not said anywhere that I worship science, don't pin what I haven't said on me.
If I'd worshipped anything, that'd be my parents. They created me, so they are my creators. There is no proof that any god created anything but, there is just more than just proof that your parents created you.🤣🤣

Like I said, if any god jumped down today I'd still not be interested. Any god who needs my worship and service is no god at all , just a sadist magalomaniac

Jackanda1:
My own fall was even worst cos i became atheist, turned against God and insulted Jesus, went into porn and mxstxbxtxxn, smoking and drinking even after being born again. Later got visited by demons.

I have stopped sinning. The trouble i have now is about my hardened heart. I'm struggling with geniune repentance and Godly sorrow.

If you care about me, please pray for me. Ask the holy spirit to show mercy and open my heart again.

Wait… you have been praying since all that time, and yet Yahweh ignored you? Thats a mean mothafucker! Tell him he sucks

Jackanda1:
The more you keep resisting God, the more you make it difficult to know Him.

Atheist ask for evidence, but are not ready to search for it nor accept the door of knowledge opened for them.

You don't believe gold is inside a room, but when asked to go inside and check for evidence, you refuse. How would you see the gold or believe?

If you don't seek him, you won't find him. He's a gentle man and won't force himself on you. Not especially if you have been exposed to the knowledge of truth before now.

Try this; walk into a bible believing church confess and ask for prayers. Do this consistently and see what happens.

The demon of atheism would flee and your eyes opened.

The sheer arrogance of Christians!
What makes you think we atheists didn’t do all these? Are you even aware atheists know more about the bible than theists. We searched and searched, and the more we searched the more we realized the bullshit piling up

Jackanda1:
The bible says many shall fall away in the last days, please don't fulfil this prophecy.

When i went into atheism, i used to settle for the term 'agnostic', i just needed fews years for this demons to convert me to a militant atheist.

You're been decieved. A demon is telling your mind to be comfortable and settle inbetween GOD and atheism. But there is no inbetween. Its either you're for GOD or the devil. Its either
gathering with Jesus or scattering.

* I would advice you to start seeking for deliverance, ask for prayers against that demon hardening your heart, before its too late.


In addition, No matter what happens, make sure you don't blaspheme, your words are important to God.

*I could be attacked this night for warning you, like other times, but i would take that risk for you. Only consider what i have said.

When did this 'last days' begin?

FRANCISTOWN:
Mtcheeeeew. Total waste of my time.
I was expecting someone to say they saw an amputee's limb regrow.
I apologize for gracing this thread with my presence.

I replied here because they invaded our thread too.
Logic and science flies in the face of religion

FRANCISTOWN:


Atheists are coming from the room. There is no gold inside.
Don't forget many atheists were once theists.

They don't even think

atheistconverta:
People's limb don't have to be amputated first and restored for you to believe God exists. God made those limbs to be there in the first place so if you can't believe He exists because of that, you wouldn't believe if He restores them to the way He made them to be.
As for your apologies, you never know because some former NL atheists turned Christians, including those on this thread have said same things before.

So if Yahweh made those limbs(which you claim without evidence) why can't he replace it? Or is he allergic to limb replacement surgeries?

atheistconverta:
You are right about Christians living a lifestyle of sin. Those aren't real Christians. Real Christians aren't always perfect, but if they sin, it's not a norm but an aberration, because their lifestyle is one of righteousness and obedience of God's Word. As for avoiding sin despite being an atheist, if true, then you're on the right path. Only thing left is to add Christ to that and it'd be a match made in heaven. Jesus loves you.

Please compare the crime rates of relatively atheistic countries like Nederlands to Nigeria. Their jails are almost empty compared to ours. What does that tell you?

atheistconverta:
You probably forgot these ones have said the same things before as atheists but later realized their error in that. Should I show you some of their posts at the time? They could even be worse than yours so i won't be surprised if you tomorrow have a change of heart. God bless you.

Christians convert to atheism and vice versa. There's no big deal.
The point is there is no gold in the room. The babble is plain crap

atheistconverta:
As for 1 and 2, God sees the heart, and trust me, if you're truly willing in your heart, God will prove Himself to you in a way that you'd believe He exists. That's a small thing for Him to do. What's a big deal is the for the heart of men to be sincere and willing. Remember He once revealed Himself in a convincing and powerful way to a nation called Israel, however they didn't still believe in Him despite knowing for a fact that He exists.

Are you trying to tell me no christian amputee is worthy of yahweh restoring their limbs, since the beginning of time? Really?

jaephoenix:

I replied here because they invaded our thread too.
Logic and science flies in the face of religion

Imagine, someone wanted me to be impressed because atheists became christians. Since time immemorial people have converted from one religion to another, deconverted from religion to atheism, from atheism to agnosticism e.t.c

If they invaded our threads? Qe should invade their threads too. An eye for an eye.
Their mind no go touch ground.

atheistconverta:
If you don't believe Jesus ever lived, it's simply because you don't want to because there are undeniable evidence to this effect. If you can believe that Caesar lived but not Jesus, then the problem is not with Him ever living but your sentiments blindly rejecting that undeniable historical fact.

Caesar is a title, not a human name. Just like Emperor. If you mean Julius Caesar, yes, there is evidence he lived. Not for jesus

atheistconverta:
That's fair enough. But as for the bolded that's as ignorant as they could possibly come, because the best and intelligent minds that have ever lived have been Christians. Noah (invented the Ark/cargo ship), Joseph (invented the pyramids/world biggest storage facility), Daniel, Shedrach, Meshach, Abednego, (masterminded the hanging gardens of Babylon/Nebuchadnezzar etc.), Isaac Newton (world's greatest scientist in history) etc. You may deny the rest not existing because of sentiments but not Isaac Newton, and he was openly a devout Christian. So you're obviously wrong my friend on your assertion.

All the names in the Bible are non existent. And so dont count. Newton is not a Christian. He doesn't believe in the same god you believe in. I'm tired of correcting ignorant christians

Myer:

I would have loved to share testimonies with you but as Jackanda1 rightly said, it is better for you to actually go to good churches and you will see many signs/evidences being done and happening in people's lives.
But then only God calls who will be saved.

As you share the 'testimonies', please kindly bring evidence. We arent as gullible as you folks

atheistconverta:
God will never waste His time to try convince someone who mind is sealed up already against Him regardless of what He does. Since you're not willing, it's best you resigned your mind and forgot about God ever trying to show you anything until you become willing to believe. The science you worship is only a copycat at best, yet there are some things God made that science can't copy as we speak. God is the Creator if only you could comprehend that. So there's no basis of comparison except that science tries to copy from the work God did on how to replicate it.

But Yahweh wasted his time and blocked a puny human like Saul on his way to Damascus. Lol
Any evidence that Yahweh made the universe? No. What if I tell you Flying Spaghetti Monster made it?

atheistconverta:
Why would you agree when he has proven the ignorance of your claim it takes someone to forget his brain to be a christian? Even if he's not the greatest to you as he was to most, including those in the science field, it will take the highest order of personal bias to deny the fact that he's one of the greatest. Yet he was a devout Christian while being that, so please spare me your desperate excuses and humbly acknowledge your blatant error. It's the more mature thing to do.

In Newton's eyes, worshipping Christ as God was idolatry, to him the fundamental sin.[132] In 1999, historian Stephen D. Snobelen wrote, "Isaac Newton was a heretic. But ... he never made a public declaration of his private faith—which the orthodox would have deemed extremely radical. He hid his faith so well that scholars are still unraveling his personal beliefs."[127] Snobelen concludes that Newton was at least a Socinian sympathiser (he owned and had thoroughly read at least eight Socinian books), possibly an Arian and almost certainly an anti-trinitarian

FRANCISTOWN:

In the science field. Some scientists won't rate Sir. I. Newton in their top 10. Sir Isaac Newton in all his intelligence made one big terrible error about gravity, which was later exposed and corrected by Albert Einstein. Would that nullify Newton's greatness ?
Never!
But it's to show that brilliant people also make mistakes. Just so you know, there were scientists who knew about gravity before Newton, but they were just not as accurate.

So I tell you again. Many many people won't put Newton in their top 10 greatest of all time.

If Sir. Newton could make mistakes in his own area of expertise, his own invention. Tell me why he couldn't make mistakes about other people's invention (god and religion). Therefore, Newton was foolish about religion. Though he may not be totally foolish, because at a time, he discovered that , the true religion had been altered by the early christians to suit their agenda.

Since you decided to play dirty. There were lots of scientists who were atheists/Deist/agnostics or of other religions aside christianity.

Some wouldn't but most see him as the greatest as I said. He is not just seen as the greatest scientist of all time but one of the greatest and most influential humans to ever lived, as a result of his influential works. So this is not just about science. His efforts transcends the science world. He would have also been the first on your list had he been an atheist, but then your good judgments have proven to be totally beclouded by personal sentiments, as your brainless idea that to be a Christian one has to do away with one's brain.

FRANCISTOWN:

Like I had said. I'm not interested in meeting any God, I'm busy. I have useful things to do with my time.
He has not even physically met those who believe or are desperate to meet him. 😂

I have not said anywhere that I worship science, don't pin what I haven't said on me.
If I'd worshipped anything, that'd be my parents. They created me, so they are my creators. There is no proof that any god created anything but, there is just more than just proof that your parents created you.🤣🤣

Like I said, if any god jumped down today I'd still not be interested. Any god who needs my worship and service is no god at all , just a sadist magalomaniac

Yet you're frequently here in the religion section always talking about Him. How ironic!