Dsimmer:


There are several others such as Omo, Olu, Odua etc which are Yoruba. Esan speak a mix of Bini.

Dsimmer:


There are several others such as Omo, Olu, Odua etc which are Yoruba. Their first king title was Agba. The Esan name itself is a Yoruba name. Esan speak a mix of Yoruba with Bini.

Usenokpevbo:
The Esan name Is not Yoruba, it is Edo. it is “Esan fia “ which means they fled into the bush. Because a word look similar to a word in Your language does not mean they are the same. Agba was the name of the second king of Uromi,not his title and they don’t have a universal king.

I don’t like blind argument, if you will not be willing to learn, there is really no need to quote me.


Esan is Esan. It is similar to Bini, it is independent of yoruba

Usenokpevbo:
Olu is a Yoruba word that has no meaning in Esan and Bini. No Esan bear it if they don’t have an affiliation with Yoruba land. Their mothers must be Yoruba or their mothers are Yorubas and they also grew up in Yorubaland.

Omo in all Edoid language, from Benin to Esan to Etsako to Owan to Ososo to Uneme to Egenni language in Rivers state to Degema in Rivers state to Urhobo in Delta state to Isoko in Delta all use Omo as a word to mean child

In Edo groups, because of how we value children here,


We equate children to the beautiful things of this world, there are names like Omorose which means A child in one’s life is the beauty in that person’s life. Omosefe- A child is more than money. So those Omo you saw is certainly a short form of these names. [right][/right]


No body bears Odua now .

Dsimmer:




Olumese is what?

And Omo is a Yoruba word which means child. Bini word for child is Evbi.

Odua is also used among the Esan. The title of Esan king is Agba Onojie. Esan itself is a Yoruba word, for example Orimisan.

Usenokpevbo:


Olumese is a cognate of the Benin Oruwmense. The O in Esan Olumese is pronounced Oor while the O in Olu in Yoruba Is pronounced basic o. Also the word Olu in Yoruba means Lord while that of the Esan which is pronounced in Oorlu means he did, the Full meaning Olumese means he did me right. It is the same meaning for the Bini Oruwmense. In Bini and Esan language, anywhere there is R in Bini word, there is L in Esan. Names like Ighodaro in Benin is given as Ighodalo in Esan, Words like Odionwere in Benin is given as Odionwele in Esan and so on .


The Bini and Esan word for Offspring is Ovbi, not Evbi. Ovbi is not the word for a child, it is the word for descendants or offspring. And also all Edoid group call a child Omo. Urhobo, Bini, Esan Degema, Engenni, Ososo, Owan, Etsako, etc. So the usage is not for Esan alone. There are Words like Omote in Urhobo, Omosefe, Omorose and so on in Benin and Esan.


Odua is used among the Esans how? There is no singular Esan king, there are 35 major communities in Esan land and all of them have their distinct engine. The Enogie Agba was the second King of Uromi not the entire Esan land. And the meaning of It in Esan land is God of war. I believe it is not the same thing in Yoruba.


There are similar words in every tribe with distinct meanings. Esan is not a Yoruba word for the umpteenth time. Sigh! I believe the reason you quoted me was because you wanted to get clarifications on some issues. It is an Edo word “Esan fia”that means they fled

Dsimmer:


Olu is a Yoruba word. Just like Omo and Esan.

Do you even realize that Bini king is from Yoruba ancestry, Oranmiyan?

You know what? Bini should stop rewriting history upsidedown because facts won't change regardless. We all know it was Oranmiyan ancestry who went out of the palace to found other towns which includes the likes of Esan, Owan, Etsako etc.

lexy2014:


off point.

1. are you aware that all your emotional outbursts have not answered the simple questions?

2. why do you sound so hurt? do you need a hug?

its now "officially"?

you claimed that



3. if "there is nothing like Bazuaye", how do you explain this screenshot?

Usenokpevbo:
Can Oyo and Owo communicate smoothly without using Oyo dialect? Aren’t they deemed dialects of the same language. Isn’t Okpe and Uvwie distinct languages from Urhobo according to linguistic scholars? Don’t they regard themselves as Urhobos? How many Igbo dialects that are regarded as dialects of the same language can communicate with themselves without the need for their central tongue? Can’t Efik and Ibibio communicate smoothly? Aren’t they regarded as dialects of the same language? Why are they still regarding themselves as different groups?

Benin and Esan has more mutual intelligibility than many subgroups within big tribes. According to Pedro Obaseki, the difference between Benin and Esan is lesser than the difference between Oyo and Ijebu or Oyo and Owo. We bear the same names, we have the same names for almost every items.


Many a times becoming members of the same groups among very similar groups is politics and a central language factor. Enahoro tried bringing up a central language for Edoid, if he had stuck his desire for a central language for Edo within Benin and Esan alone, we would have since been one tribe, it would have been so realistic and possible. He tried to extend to Owan and Etsako, i believe that is where the loudest rejection would have came from. Or if Benin and Esan were alone in one state with groups like Efik/ibibio, we would since be identifying as one tribe. But because we are largely in Edo state where 98%of the population have similar language and culture, and we are not threatened by another strange major group. There is really no bearing need to put on another identity other than our very immediate identity even though we are related and we know the most related ones amongst us

Peter Ekeh described Benin and Esan as approximately mutually intelligible.

Okojie noted that even among present day Esan generation, speaking Bini may be difficult but it is unnecessary for an Esan to learn it before understanding it. According to him, it is easier for an Esan to understand Bini than Ora or Kukuruku language either of which has suffered further inflexion due of course to their early contacts with their northern, western and eastern neighbors.



Okojie was from Irrua, what Okojie meant by that to those who can’t comprehend English properly. He say for Esan people of this generation, to speak Bini fit hard them o, but them no go need learn am to understand am

Usenokpevbo:
K

OKAIGHELE:
Succintly put, you are intelligent, “If Enahoro stuck his ideas of a central language for all Edoid to Esan and Bini alone, we would have since been one group”. I think the closest Edoid languages would be Bini and Esan

scholes0:


But if Benins and Esans do actually understand 91% of one another IRL, then surely both languages and even identities should have since merged into one.

Udazi:
There is nothing like if, it is not an uncommon scenario anywhere in the world,French and Italian have 89% lexical similarities but only have partial mutual intelligibility and are regarded as separate languages and people.

With the 91% lexical similarities between Esan and Benin. That is why they are regarded as one of the very few languages in Africa and the world that are said to be mutually intelligible

scholes0:


While this may be true though, lexical similarity is just one factor that determines mutual comprehensibility. There are also things like language structure/grammar/arrangement, evolved divergent tones and inflections, speed of speech, use or lack thereof originally universal terms that are retained or dropped etc.

What is the real life experience of people (native speakers of these languages) trying to understand the other will be the real determinant of how much they can communicate. Linguistics for example say Igala and central Yoruba are share about 60% lexical similarity. in practical terms however, I doubt a Lagosian can even understand one third (35%) of Igala.
But if Benins and Esans do actually understand 91% of one another IRL, then surely both languages and even identities should have since merged into one.

Usenokpevbo:
Can Oyo and Owo communicate smoothly without using Oyo dialect? Aren’t they deemed dialects of the same language. Isn’t Okpe and Uvwie distinct languages from Urhobo according to linguistic scholars? Don’t they regard themselves as Urhobos? How many Igbo dialects that are regarded as dialects of the same language can communicate with themselves without the need for their central tongue? Can’t Efik and Ibibio communicate smoothly? Aren’t they regarded as dialects of the same language? Why are they still regarding themselves as different groups?

Benin and Esan has more mutual intelligibility than many subgroups within big tribes. According to Pedro Obaseki, the difference between Benin and Esan is lesser than the difference between Oyo and Ijebu or Oyo and Owo. We bear the same names, we have the same names for almost every items.


Many a times becoming members of the same groups among very similar groups is politics and a central language factor. Enahoro tried bringing up a central language for Edoid, if he had stuck his desire for a central language for Edo within Benin and Esan alone, we would have since been one tribe, it would have been so realistic and possible. He tried to extend to Owan and Etsako, i believe that is where the loudest rejection would have came from. Or if Benin and Esan were alone in one state with groups like Efik/ibibio, we would since be identifying as one tribe. But because we are largely in Edo state where 98%of the population have similar language and culture, and we are not threatened by another strange major group. There is really no bearing need to put on another identity other than our very immediate identity even though we are related and we know the most related ones amongst us

Peter Ekeh described Benin and Esan as approximately mutually intelligible.

Okojie noted that even among present day Esan generation, speaking Bini may be difficult but it is unnecessary for an Esan to learn it before understanding it. According to him, it is easier for an Esan to understand Bini than Ora or Kukuruku language either of which has suffered further inflexion due of course to their early contacts with their northern, western and eastern neighbors.



Okojie was from Irrua, what Okojie meant by that to those who can’t comprehend English properly. He say for Esan people of this generation, to speak Bini fit hard them o, but them no go need learn am to understand am

scholes0:


Obazuaye of Ibiwe class actually comes from the Yoruba phrase 'Oba ju aye' - The king is more than the world'. In other words, the Oba choses the pleasure anyone enjoys in this life.

nlfpmod:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RTR6QjlcRo?si=MkjG9eXUUgGQR8c9

scholes0:


lol, you are saying the same thing as I am. It is an Edo chieftaincy today but has obtained a slightly unique connotation in Edo parlance. Just like Kpataki and the Osodin, another ibiwe chief.

At any rate, Olumide is from Usen originally.

scholes0:


Yes it has come a long way in Edo historically no one is disputing that, but as you can also see, their Ife links are very obvious for everyone to see. All his Ogbebor n'Usen family side have Yoruba names. Ogbebor left Usen for Benin with the sanction of Olu Awure in 1819. He prospered and became a big family there (Infact, one of the biggest and most influential in Benin) and got chieftaincy from Oba. Anyways, their family is an example of one of those family clans in Benin that bridge both sides. I won't be surprised if they greet Lauhe.

scholes0:


How can his Obazuaye, Ize and Obasohan side which is maternal be more important than his Erha (Ogbebor)º side though?
If some Edo people call him a Yoruba person , they wouldn't be completely wrong.

On the meaning of certain Benin chieftaincies/aristocratic terms and titles i.e (Obazuaye, Ologbosere, Osodi, Esogban etc) being originally Yoruba etymologically, trust me, I know what I am talking about, but even if we argue til tomorrow, u no go gree, lol, but its okay. Let's just keep it at that.