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Re: Lagos Monarchs Get N46m Car Gift From Fashola by jason123: 5:46pm On Dec 08, 2011
manny4life:

What is wrong is that it was tagged as "gift" as opposed to official vehicles to be used in "discharging their duties" pertaining to state residents whom they govern.

A title can be written by anyone. Nigerian journalism has gone to the dogs. It is part of the states duty to look after the welfare of her traditional ruler, isn't it? This is the law bruv.
Re: Lagos Monarchs Get N46m Car Gift From Fashola by EkoIle1: 5:56pm On Dec 08, 2011
aloy/emeka:

It doesn't matter which costs more because both deals are wrong besides, 6 cars may worth more than 463 cars. Its like justifying a thief who stole N5k in Lagos because another thief stole N100k in Enugu.

Shut your mouth, you have no credibility. You have no business crying  over 64 million if billions doesn't bother you.

Obviosly, this has nothing to do with all the rubbish you are talking  about, this  about your madness and and fashola hate and I hope it kills you.
Re: Lagos Monarchs Get N46m Car Gift From Fashola by naptu2: 6:04pm On Dec 08, 2011
In simple terms, Nigerians need to decide if we still want to have traditional rulers or not, but until then:

1) Traditional rulers are seen as the "natural rulers" of their domain.

2) Their lands where taken over by the colonialists via treaties in which the British promised to take care of the welfare of the traditional rulers.

3) The Government of Nigeria inherited these treaties and lands from the Colonial Government.

3) The government takes care of the welfare of these monarchs by providing them with cars, stipends, police orderlies, etc.

4) The monarchs are expected to explain government policy (eg immunisation, etc) to the people, maintain peace in their community, etc.

Now, I do not like the situation painted above, but that's the way it is.
Re: Lagos Monarchs Get N46m Car Gift From Fashola by eros(m): 6:41pm On Dec 08, 2011
What can we say to these things
Re: Lagos Monarchs Get N46m Car Gift From Fashola by naptu2: 7:26pm On Dec 08, 2011
This things are not new. I remember that state governments bought cars for traditional rulers during the Babangida administration in the 1980s. The Obasanjo administration got the late Sultan Macido to explain government policy on girl child education to northerners (probably his last public function before his death). The government got Emirs to explain its policy on immunization (during the polio immunization crisis of the 2000s). Recently, Theodore Orji threatened to dethrone any traditional ruler who allows kidnapping to occur in his domain. This has always been the relationship between traditional rulers and government. Read the article below.

Plateau Gov't Buys Cars for Royal Fathers

29 September 2002

Lagos — Plateau State government has spent N51 million on the purchase of cars for traditional rulers and renovation of two palaces in the state, a top official has said.

Commissioner for Local Government and Chieftaincy Affairs, Mr Ali Wuyep, said in Jos while briefing newsmen on activities of the ministry that the N17 million was spent on the purchase of 22 custom-made Mercedes Benz cars for the royal fathers in the state.

allafrica.com/stories/200209300413.html
Re: Lagos Monarchs Get N46m Car Gift From Fashola by Kobojunkie: 8:05pm On Dec 08, 2011
Fashola's responsibility to give 46 million naira gifts

I wonder which Lagos Law stipulates this anyways? Does anyone have access to an actual copy of this law/constitution that stipulates that the state governor can purchase cars for free(not recorded as part of any stipend agreement) for traditional rulers in the state? This I would like to see.
I mean so it does not continue to appear as if we are arguing from our arses.
Re: Lagos Monarchs Get N46m Car Gift From Fashola by jason123: 8:07pm On Dec 08, 2011
naptu2:

This things are not new. I remember that state governments bought cars for traditional rulers during the Babangida administration in the 1980s. The Obasanjo administration got the late Sultan Macido to explain government policy on girl child education to northerners (probably his last public function before his death). The government got Emirs to explain its policy on immunization (during the polio immunization crisis of the 2000s). Recently, Theodore Orji threatened to dethrone any traditional ruler who allows kidnapping to occur in his domain. This has always been the relationship between traditional rulers and government. Read the article below.

Plateau Gov't Buys Cars for Royal Fathers

29 September 2002

Lagos — Plateau State government has spent N51 million on the purchase of cars for traditional rulers and renovation of two palaces in the state, a top official has said.

Commissioner for Local Government and Chieftaincy Affairs, Mr Ali Wuyep, said in Jos while briefing newsmen on activities of the ministry that the N17 million was spent on the purchase of 22 custom-made Mercedes Benz cars for the royal fathers in the state.

allafrica.com/stories/200209300413.html


Hahaha! Thread dead! cool
Re: Lagos Monarchs Get N46m Car Gift From Fashola by Kobojunkie: 8:09pm On Dec 08, 2011
naptu2:

This things are not new. I remember that state governments bought cars for traditional rulers during the Babangida administration in the 1980s. The Obasanjo administration got the late Sultan Macido to explain government policy on girl child education to northerners (probably his last public function before his death). The government got Emirs to explain its policy on immunization (during the polio immunization crisis of the 2000s). Recently, Theodore Orji threatened to dethrone any traditional ruler who allows kidnapping to occur in his domain. This has always been the relationship between traditional rulers and government. Read the article below.

Plateau Gov't Buys Cars for Royal Fathers

29 September 2002

Lagos — Plateau State government has spent N51 million on the purchase of cars for traditional rulers and renovation of two palaces in the state, a top official has said.

Commissioner for Local Government and Chieftaincy Affairs, Mr Ali Wuyep, said in Jos while briefing newsmen on activities of the ministry that the N17 million was spent on the purchase of 22 custom-made Mercedes Benz cars for the royal fathers in the state.

allafrica.com/stories/200209300413.html

So, that States did it right when Babangida was President and Then Plateau state did it in 2002, It is OK for All States, including Lagos to then do the same? Are we serious that we even want to get rid of Corruption and shenanigans at all?

I don't get it. Someone tried offering up the same bullcrap for an excuse on a thread that had to do with another governor, on a similar issue, and some of those on this thread praising this governor for this, immediately tore him to shreds for even attempting to rationalize the unacceptable in that manner. Why are you attempting to do that here and why are the same dogs not tearing into you for the very same
Re: Lagos Monarchs Get N46m Car Gift From Fashola by kolexy(m): 9:28pm On Dec 08, 2011
Am a fan of Fashola, and I believe the guy is genuinely pursuing his dream for a better Lagos. But this does not make him perfect.

I wonder what personal benefits Eko Ile "my bros" is getting from ACN. Someone should please remind him that no human is perfect.


Fashola got this all wrong!. But sadly, he is still the best we ve got.
Re: Lagos Monarchs Get N46m Car Gift From Fashola by Beaf: 11:07pm On Dec 08, 2011
Corruption.
Re: Lagos Monarchs Get N46m Car Gift From Fashola by cantell(m): 11:21pm On Dec 08, 2011
Eko Ile:

What is your problem gan sef? Na ya papa dey pay my internet bill ni? See me see trouble of ,

Back to sender sha.


If mumu people were to earn money for the level of their foolishness, you'll probably be earning millions of dollars.
Idiota!
Re: Lagos Monarchs Get N46m Car Gift From Fashola by lastpage: 12:18am On Dec 09, 2011
@Commissioner Kuye
“You are therefore expected to use your influence and education to sell government policies and programmes to your people and encourage them to cooperate with government, and thereby support its policies,” he said.

So, the reason for the "gift" has been explained, along wit the gift itself!
Does anyone remember when Late MKO Abiola was detained in Prison and the Ooni of Ife (who was supposed to be the Paramount Yoruba Oba and a defender of Yoruba interest) was invited to Aso Rock? Only for him to come out and to everyone's consternation, the Ooni said: "The Man (Abacha) was making Sense"! grin grin
A few people said the Ooni got a lot of Ghana-must-go "gifts", to sound like that! shocked

Again, when our late President was in the throes of death (Or probably dead a long time before then; RIP), some "traditional rulers and religious leaders" where invited to "see him in action", they came out and said "The president was actually very well and was just doing basic exercise like push-ups, somersaults grin , running 100M-dash, e.t.c, just to get his muscles back in shape, to run Nigeria better! But "The Man Died"! lipsrsealed

Thus, we can sum-up that these traditional rulers have not only lost respect, they have become clowns, tools in the hands of "every" government in power and a disgrace to the traditional stools they sit on!
Most of them have become "beggers-to-government" instead of fulfilling their traditional role of custodians of our traditions! How can such an Oba fulfil his traditional role of "correcting or speaking truth to power"?

No wonder a Governor can just remove an Oba, anytime he likes! Where is the "traditional, spiritual selection process" that our forefathers use in selecting who occupies the esteemed traditional stool, in those days? What we have now are "cash-and-carry" Obas thus, their words holds nothing to the average Nigerian.

It might interest you that the govt has also copped-up to the strategy and uses money/gifts as inducement to these "men-of-the-belly", to make them "parrot" any unpopular policy they want to implement, hence the "instruction" of "a Commissioner" to "an Oba"! (Lord have mercy!)

Whether the people (subjects) still listen to these Obas or see them as a "modern-day joke and "Area-Boyz", is out there for everyone to discern! grin grin

Lastpage

BTW: Whenever you introduce "ethnicity" into a serious issue like this, you make it sound trivial and it deflects away from the real bone of contention. What is wrong, is wrong; irrespective of who the perpetrator is, Period.

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Re: Lagos Monarchs Get N46m Car Gift From Fashola by aloyemeka1: 2:12am On Dec 09, 2011
lastpage:

@Commissioner Kuye
So, the reason for the "gift" has been explained, along wit the gift itself!
Does anyone remember when Late MKO Abiola was detained in Prison and the Ooni of Ife (who was supposed to be the Paramount Yoruba Oba and a defender of Yoruba interest) was invited to Aso Rock? Only for him to come out and to everyone's consternation, the Ooni said: "The Man (Abacha) was making Sense"! grin grin
A few people said the Ooni got a lot of Ghana-must-go "gifts", to sound like that! shocked

Again, when our late President was in the throes of death (Or probably dead a long time before then; RIP), some "traditional rulers and religious leaders" where invited to "see him in action", they came out and said "The president was actually very well and was just doing basic exercise like push-ups, somersaults grin , running 100M-dash, e.t.c, just to get his muscles back in shape, to run Nigeria better! But "The Man Died"! lipsrsealed

Thus, we can sum-up that these traditional rulers have not only lost respect, they have become clowns, tools in the hands of "every" government in power and a disgrace to the traditional stools they sit on!
Most of them have become "beggers-to-government" instead of fulfilling their traditional role of custodians of our traditions! How can such an Oba fulfil his traditional role of "correcting or speaking truth to power"?

No wonder a Governor can just remove an Oba, anytime he likes! Where is the "traditional, spiritual selection process" that our forefathers use in selecting who occupies the esteemed traditional stool, in those days? What we have now are "cash-and-carry" Obas thus, their words holds nothing to the average Nigerian.

It might interest you that the govt has also copped-up to the strategy and uses money/gifts as inducement to these "men-of-the-belly", to make them "parrot" any unpopular policy they want to implement, hence the "instruction" of "a Commissioner" to "an Oba"! (Lord have mercy!)

Whether the people (subjects) still listen to these Obas or see them as a "modern-day joke  and "Area-Boyz", is out there for everyone to discern! grin grin

Lastpage

BTW: Whenever you introduce "ethnicity" into a serious issue like this, you make it sound trivial and it deflects away from the real bone of contention. What is wrong, is wrong; irrespective of who the perpetrator is, Period.

500% Gbam except the part that says "our late president". Abacha was our late dictator and not president.
Re: Lagos Monarchs Get N46m Car Gift From Fashola by EkoIle1: 4:59am On Dec 09, 2011
Kwara State Ministry of Local Government and Chieftaincy Affairs


B. Welfare Packages/Incentives

    9 Nos Limousine Volvo Cars for all the 1st Class Chiefs while a Mercedes Limousine was provided for the Chairman State Council of Chiefs.
    Pilot Vehicles provided for all the 1st Class Chiefs.
    10 Nos 3 bedroom Modern Chalet was also built for all the 1st Class Chiefs in the State and a Duplex Building for the Chairman State Council of Chiefs.
    Construction/Renovation of Palaces of 1st Class Chiefs for which tendering is being processed.
    Review of the Salaries and Allowances of the graded chiefs in the State in progress.
    Overseas Medical Treatment for 1st Class Chief.
    Organized one day seminar for all categories of Traditional Rulers in the State.



http://www.kwarastate.gov.ng/local-government-and-chieftancy-affairs/ministry-of-local-government-and-chieftaincy-affairs.html



I wonder wetin go happen to these dumb clowns if na Fashola dey give out Limousines, pilot vehicles, foreign medical treatments and houses to traditional rulers.

Den go just put knives to their own throats and cut away suicide style,


Awon olosho onirani aje eyin awo,  grin grin grin
Re: Lagos Monarchs Get N46m Car Gift From Fashola by Kobojunkie: 5:01am On Dec 09, 2011
Yes, the average Nigerian tout's mind at work.[size=13pt] "If someone else steals it is wrong, however, when we are ourselves caught stealing, it should then follow that stealing ought to be endorsed"  [/size]. . . . . grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

Re: Lagos Monarchs Get N46m Car Gift From Fashola by EkoIle1: 5:05am On Dec 09, 2011
Akpabio tasks traditional rulers on inter-ethnic harmony



“All our royal fathers, in addition to their monthly stipends, enjoy the ride in comfort with brand new cars like Kia Sorento Jeeps which you graciously approved for them.," the commissioner said.

http://tribune.com.ng/index.php/community-news/28745-akpabio-tasks-traditional-rulers-on-inter-ethnic-harmony





Buhahahahahahhaha grin grin grin grin
Re: Lagos Monarchs Get N46m Car Gift From Fashola by EkoIle1: 5:08am On Dec 09, 2011
Abia to compensate landowners, buys cars for rulers



Governor Theodore Orji announced this at the commissioning of a link road to the Ministry of Local Government and Chieftaincy Affairs where he also distributed 34 electric transformers, two to each of the 17 local councils in the state.




http://odili.net/news/source/2011/sep/9/6.html


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Re: Lagos Monarchs Get N46m Car Gift From Fashola by EkoIle1: 5:18am On Dec 09, 2011
Kobojunkie:

Yes, the average Nigerian tout's mind at work.[size=13pt] "If someone else steals it is wrong, however, when we are caught stealing, it should then follow that stealing ought to be endorsed"  [/size]. . . . . grin grin grin grin grin grin grin


Abiding by your state constitution and laws is stealing?

You are not only hopelessly ignorant, you are even worse than you clownish and re-tarded pictures you slam on your face all over NL?

Olodo rapata, oju eja lo moo je


lmao
Re: Lagos Monarchs Get N46m Car Gift From Fashola by EkoIle1: 5:20am On Dec 09, 2011
Nsukka Residents Hail Gift of Official Cars to Traditional Rulers

A cross section of residents of Nsukka in Enugu State have applauded the award of official cars to traditional rulers in the state by Gov. Sullivan Chime

"It was a thing of shame before now, seeing a traditional ruler riding a motorcycle in his regalia. Some of them even trek long distances because they have no official cars.

http://allafrica.com/stories/201106150703.html

Re: Lagos Monarchs Get N46m Car Gift From Fashola by Kobojunkie: 5:21am On Dec 09, 2011
hm. . . I wonder where this state constitution that says it's OK for the government to give GIFTS, using tax payer money, to traditional rulers. Wouldn't it be nice if more than one person were privy to this data at this point in this thread . . .  4 pages and still no link How do I know this one person is not speaking through his arse as usual??

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Re: Lagos Monarchs Get N46m Car Gift From Fashola by EkoIle1: 5:46am On Dec 09, 2011
Sokoto Governor gives N59m car to Sultan


A custom-built state-of-the-art Mercedes Benz car, described as special breed worth N58,867,558.06 was, on Monday, presented to the Sultan of Sokoto, Alhaji Muhammadu Maccido, Abubakar III, by Governor Attahiru Bafarawa of Sokoto State on behalf of the state government.

http://www.onlinenigeria.com/links/LinksReadPrint.asp?blurb=170


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Re: Lagos Monarchs Get N46m Car Gift From Fashola by EkoIle1: 5:48am On Dec 09, 2011
Sokoto Govt Showers Car Gifts On Imams, District Heads


Sokoto — Sixty seven district heads and Imams of three Juma'at mosques in the Sokoto metropolis have been presented Mercedes Benz cars by the Sokoto State government.

The 250 and 300 Mercedes Benz series were distributed by Gov. Atahiru Bafarawa at a ceremony in the state capital.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200410260171.html


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Re: Lagos Monarchs Get N46m Car Gift From Fashola by Kobojunkie: 5:49am On Dec 09, 2011
Yes, the average Nigerian tout's mind at work.[size=13pt] "If someone else steals it is wrong, however, when we are ourselves caught stealing, it should then follow that stealing ought to be endorsed"  [/size]. . . . .ain't it grand that some can easily play the ignorance card whenever they see fit? grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

Re: Lagos Monarchs Get N46m Car Gift From Fashola by EkoIle1: 5:59am On Dec 09, 2011
Chime Spends N2 Billion On Cars for Monarchs



Car gift to Royal fathers: Chime is true son of Igbo land

The administration of Governor Sullivan Chime of Enugu State has concluded plans to present Chevrolet as official cars to over 80 traditional rulers in the state.

The cars are estimate to cost a whopping N2 billion, as, according to sources, each costs N2.5 million.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200903240157.html

Re: Lagos Monarchs Get N46m Car Gift From Fashola by Kobojunkie: 6:04am On Dec 09, 2011
Yes, the average Nigerian tout's mind at work.[size=13pt] "If someone else steals it is wrong, however, when we are ourselves caught stealing, it should then follow that stealing ought to be endorsed"  [/size]. . . . .ain't it grand that some can easily play the ignorance card whenever they see fit?  grin grin grin grin grin grin grin



As long as we dey benefit some . . . . it is GOOD . . . grin grin grin grin grin
Re: Lagos Monarchs Get N46m Car Gift From Fashola by EkoIle1: 6:19am On Dec 09, 2011
Kuje Chairman Seeks Recognition For Traditional Rulers


The area council boss who presented vehicles to 20 traditional rulers on the occasion, also berated politicians, who he said only recognised the importance of the traditional rulers during electioneering campaigns campaigns and elections, and dumped them afterwards.

http://www.leadership.ng/nga/articles/5399/2011/09/19/kuje_chairman_seeks_recognition_traditional_rulers.html
Re: Lagos Monarchs Get N46m Car Gift From Fashola by humblebee: 11:30am On Dec 09, 2011
you shouldn't underestimate these traditional rulers, if it were you, you'll do more, you need to understand that they have more grounds in their respective towns or cities, residents usually respects them alot even more than the government in some cases. so if you want to reach the residents effectively, you might need to keep their respective rulers close.
im not saying, they should get juices squeezed outta the masses but at least, try and make them feel important, they dont buy them these cars always, do they?
Re: Lagos Monarchs Get N46m Car Gift From Fashola by Kobojunkie: 12:39pm On Dec 09, 2011
Boohoo . . . . those poor traditional leaders  . . government needs to dip into the pockets of the people to buy them cars as gifts so they can feel good, and important and wanted by society.



This is what I don't get about the average Nigerian psyche. Some have spent 4 pages desperately looking for every kind of excuse they can cook up to justify the spending. Na wa ooo!!! Na so we want change
Re: Lagos Monarchs Get N46m Car Gift From Fashola by PAGAN9JA(m): 1:51pm On Dec 09, 2011
its good to see our Rulers getting their due. grin


however i must admit that it is nothing compared to what other countries give their rulers. to be honest, i wouldnt mind if our government even gave our Obas private jets, skyscrapers, Ferrari cars, cash benifits, etc, but they must do some work for the people to deserve it too. sad
Re: Lagos Monarchs Get N46m Car Gift From Fashola by lastpage: 2:16pm On Dec 09, 2011
We seem to be mixing-up issues here:

If you give someone (an Oba, a public Officer or anyone for that matter, "a Gift" in respect of "observable good deed(s) done in THE PAST, it is called APPRECIATION,.,.,.,.,and this is laudable BUT

When you give "a Gift" in respect of a FUTURE PERFORMANCE of some Ignoble act or when such Gift is given so as to sway the opinion or incite some performance (especially when the commissioner then openly reads the riot act (expectations of those in Power) to our supposedly "revered" traditional rulers, IT IS CALLED BRIBE!.,.,.,.,.,.and that is denigrating our 'traditional institutions'.

Imagine if Bode George first gave =N=50Million to that Pastor who preached at his "Thanks Giving Service" and then instructed the Pastor concerning "what to say"? How does that feel?


Okay, l am not surprised that some would support this action of the Government (and it seems it has become a pattern), it is common knowledge that most Nigerians are going through a period of moral decadence in our national and individual family life.

Unheard things, abominations, e.t.c., have now become "acceptable norms"

Lastpage.


@Aloy/Emeka:
500% Gbam except the part that says "our late president". Abacha was our late dictator and not president.
The phrase you quoted, was referring to our late President, Umar Musa Yar Adua.
Recall that he was in Saudi Arabia (alive, dead or dying), when our shameless "spiritual and traditional fathers" came to tell us on NTA, that "they saw him at Aso Rock" and he was so "improving" that he was doing "Olympic level exercise"! grin grin shocked
Re: Lagos Monarchs Get N46m Car Gift From Fashola by Pifa: 3:35am On Dec 10, 2011
aloy/emeka:

Stop saying rubbish sometimes. Show us proof that British taxpayers have an agreement to pay the royal family millions of pounds annually. If I recall very well, there are millions of Britons who still petition the idea of using their taxes for the upkeep of the Buckingham palace.
 

The British Parliament funds the British monarchy from the taxpayers' coffers. Since the British parliament represents the British people, the British people are in effect assenting to an arrangement to fund the Royal Household.

It’s a little bit of reading, but somewhere in the link below, it explains how the British monarchy is funded and how much of the royal household's expenses come from the taxpayers.
http://www.royal.gov.uk/TheRoyalHousehold/Royalfinances/Overview.aspx
Re: Lagos Monarchs Get N46m Car Gift From Fashola by Pifa: 3:58am On Dec 10, 2011
ekt_bear:

^-- Cosign on scrapping of the monarchy.
 
 
I would not abolish the traditional rulers in African, which may come as a surprise to you. The Obas and Emirs (sorry, but I don’t know what the Igbo monarchy is called) are your links to the past and abolishing them will be pissing on your history and tradition. But to have 46 of them in a small city like Lagos is ridiculous and a waste of tax-payer’s money.

However, innovative thinking and approaches can make the monarchy fiscally self-funding.


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Diversion for ekt_bear:

I saw your post in the other thread. I would have responded, but I had enough of it.


If you’re interested in African Architecture, there is a very good book on the work of Nigerian architect, Demas Nwoko. My youngest one, the budding architect in the family, got this book as a birthday present from my aunt in the UK.

The architecture of Demas Nwoko
Authors: John Godwin and Gilian Hopwood
Publisher: Farafina, Lagos 2007
ISBN 978-978-068-843-9

Its not available on Amazon.com (US), but you can find it here:
[url=http://www.africabookcentre.com/acatalog/index.html?http%3A//www.africabookcentre.com/acatalog/Art_and_Photography_Nigeria.html&CatalogBody]http://www.africabookcentre.com/acatalog/index.html?http%3A//www.africabookcentre.com/acatalog/Art_and_Photography_Nigeria.html&CatalogBody[/url]
or
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Architecture-Demas-Nwoko-John-Godwin/dp/9780688439/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1323463524&sr=1-1

Book review and a few photographs:
http://www.archiafrika.org/en/node/1230

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