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Re: The NBA Begins by Eruditor: 2:54am On May 02
Bill Laimbeer was the reason the Pistons walked out. But Isiah supported him. And their main reason at the time was that at 3-0 Jordan and Pippen talked disparagingly about them so they wanted to return the disrespect. I know he tried to soften things in the "Last Dance" but if you watched the ESPN 30 for 30 for the Bad Boys Pistons, you'd see that Jordan and Pippen were very disrespectful and ungraceful even when it was clear they were going to win the series.

Isiah did a stupid thing (he was known to make stupid jokes) about Magic but that was because Anthony Fauci in the 80's had misinformed the world that HIV was a "gay disease". So when Isiah was asked about Magic, he stupidly said he could not tell if Magic was a closet gay since he had contracted the gay disease. And he was laughing while at it because he was genuinely joking. He has done a sit-down interview with Magic and both former players cried about it. They were best friends.

Anyways, that is the major reason he was not in the 1992 Olympics team. He had also quarrelled with Chuck Daly. If you watched Isiah's Niasmith Hall of Fame introduction by Chuck, you can draw the inference. Chuck Daly would later say that had Isiah been 5 inches taller he would have been the greatest basketballer of all times.

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Re: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 4:15am On May 02
Roland17:


Yes, they were winning but they could not get over the hump until Phil arrived with the triangle and they won their first title in 1991. If you ask me, you can not isolate Pippen's maturation from MJ's influence, that is one strong information I have learned since watching the documentary. Not like I was unaware but it just grounded my belief even more.
Pippen had the body but man was a chicken when he first came into the league, to which the Pistons even alluded to that. The same way you can not isolate Pippen's growth to the triangle because it was perfect timing during his maturation process and Michael's resolve to win a title overtook his desire to win individual accolades as he was tired of losing to the Pistons.
Doug Collins took them to a conference finals as well. Perhaps they are not as dominant like they were with Phil but with an improving Pippen I can still see them winning titles

Let's also get one thing clear, Phil Jackson was not taking that Bulls squad from 84-88 anywhere whether with triangle or rectangle offense. Those teams were the traveling cocaine circus

Of course MJ played a very crucial role in Scottie's maturation and pushed him to become better as a second banana to MJ.
Re: The NBA Begins by chic2pimp(m): 4:29am On May 02
I really did enjoy that. It was well put together. The icing on the cake would have been Jerry Krause being alive to give His side of the story as I felt He was potrayed in a negative light.

Yh I get it, every Story needs a pantomine villian and yes some of the decisions He took even looking back it now were not that smart but I am sure He had His reasons for taking them. I just wish He were here to defend himself as Handsight they say is 50/50. Great series nonetheless.

Oh btw I see the NCAA have finally relented and will be starting from next season allowing players to profit from their Likeness and Image. About time methinks.
Re: The NBA Begins by addempsea(m): 12:49am On May 03
The NCAA has seen two of the top HS players go into the G-League program. They scared already, hence the soften stance on their rule.
Re: The NBA Begins by Roland17(m): 1:57pm On May 03

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuWwWtjC06A


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GYKrcM1k0U&t=119s

@A40 watch the attached videos and see why I said Phil & The triangle should take the credit for the titles..
The Pistons had a Jordan rule book they applied effectively anytime they can up against Jordan under Doug and the Bulls but Phil came with the triangle and changed everything.
Yesterday, I rewatched the full episode of 30 for 30 Bad Boys Pistons yesterday and was able to find the YouTube videos. Also, I don’t care how his personality is being vilified, Isaiah Thomas was a great player during that era and nothing will change my view about that. He had some personal problems especially with his communication but he was held to different rules as he was already seen as the head of the snake.
Re: The NBA Begins by Myrainbow333: 1:31am On May 05

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Re: The NBA Begins by Nostradamus: 1:30pm On May 09
Now I have every reasons to believe my boy,victor oladipo have some connections with one of the royal families in my hometown,ikole-ekiti cool
Re: The NBA Begins by Khanben: 6:08am On May 10
Gaejthe just systematically put a beat down on Ferguson.

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Re: The NBA Begins by steady986(m): 7:26am On May 11
Khanben:
Gaejthe just systematically put a beat down on Ferguson.
Everybody's a beast until they receive a mauling. grin. Khabib's next on the line, and it'll come from someone we least expected.
Re: The NBA Begins by birdman(m): 6:32pm On May 12
Nostradamus:
Now I have every reasons to believe my boy,victor oladipo have some connections with one of the royal families in my hometown,ikole-ekiti cool

lol. that is too vague...everybody has a connection to a royal family somewhere
Re: The NBA Begins by birdman(m): 6:37pm On May 12
Roland17:


@A40 watch the attached videos and see why I said Phil & The triangle should take the credit for the titles.
The Pistons had a Jordan rule book they applied effectively anytime they can up against Jordan under Doug and the Bulls but Phil came with the triangle and changed everything.
Yesterday, I rewatched the full episode of 30 for 30 Bad Boys Pistons yesterday and was able to find the YouTube videos. Also, I don’t care how his personality is being vilified, Isaiah Thomas was a great player during that era and nothing will change my view about that. He had some personal problems especially with his communication but he was held to different rules as he was already seen as the head of the snake.


this post warms my heart like butter on bread grin

Isaiah is much maligned, but the dude is very very underrated. the mental discipline, to me is on par with MJ or Kobe. You should also watch Isaiah's interview with chris broussard if you havent already. He explains the Jordan rule differently from what most people are saying
Re: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 9:07pm On May 12
Last Dance really is an absolute epic. Sheds even more light on why MJ is the GOAT and a clearer understanding of his mentality and authenticity
Re: The NBA Begins by DeeMain(m): 9:29pm On May 12
A40:
Maybe not up and coming as a star but perhaps as a leader. He did a lot or had to do a lot on his own

I don't want to hear anything about Isiah injury. He averaged 38 mins in that sweep. Lol I no wan hear any story

The Pistons reign had run its course with or without the Bulls. Isiah, whom the Pistons was built around, had a career ending wrist injury before the beginning of the season that affected his play in the series. He was no longer the same player. He never recovered and retired at 32 because of it.

If he had been fit, it would not have been that easy for the Bulls.

Big ups to MJ and the Bulls though for they worked hard to overcome the Pistons' hump and were a reallly good team.

MJ and Pippen so insulted and disrespected the Pistons in Press interviews when it became clear they were going to win and I'm sure it heavily influenced the walk out.

History has not been kind to Isiah.
Re: The NBA Begins by DeeMain(m): 9:46pm On May 12
Eruditor:
Bill Laimbeer was the reason the Pistons walked out. But Isiah supported him. And their main reason at the time was that at 3-0 Jordan and Pippen talked disparagingly about them so they wanted to return the disrespect. I know he tried to soften things in the "Last Dance" but if you watched the ESPN 30 for 30 for the Bad Boys Pistons, you'd see that Jordan and Pippen were very disrespectful and ungraceful even when it was clear they were going to win the series.

Isiah did a stupid thing (he was known to make stupid jokes) about Magic but that was because Anthony Fauci in the 80's had misinformed the world that HIV was a "gay disease". So when Isiah was asked about Magic, he stupidly said he could not tell if Magic was a closet gay since he had contracted the gay disease. And he was laughing while at it because he was genuinely joking. He has done a sit-down interview with Magic and both former players cried about it. They were best friends.

Anyways, that is the major reason he was not in the 1992 Olympics team. He had also quarrelled with Chuck Daly. If you watched Isiah's Niasmith Hall of Fame introduction by Chuck, you can draw the inference. Chuck Daly would later say that had Isiah been 5 inches taller he would have been the greatest basketballer of all times.

Laimbeer was a bad influence. He had no soul. Isiah, as a respected and intelligent leader, should have rejected that walk out suggestion. He has now borne the painful brunt and consequences of that decison and will take it to his grave.

There is no way you can talk about the history of that era without mentioning Isiah but that walk out cost him a hand and a leg. Larry Bird, Magic Johnson and MJ are glorified and Isiah is only talked about as a footnote.

Very harsh.

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Re: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 10:12pm On May 12
DeeMain:


The Pistons reign had run its course with or without the Bulls. Isiah, whom the Pistons was built around, had a career ending wrist injury before the beginning of the season that affected his play in the series. He was no longer the same player. He never recovered and retired at 32 because of it.

If he had been fit, it would not have been that easy for the Bulls.
I think you're really hyper-extending yourself to not give credit where it's due. Using this same logic we can also say the Pistons were able to overthrow the Celtics solely because they got old.

This so-called career ending injury you claim ended Isiah's career did not stop him from averaging 38 minutes per game in that series. The following two years he averaged 18 and 7.5 assists and played 79 games so explain how he was no longer the same player?

He played for 13 seasons which is about above average for the lifespan of guards from the 80's era

If MJ had a better supporting cast who is to say he would not have beaten the Pistons much earlier. The Pistons were arguably the deepest team of all time with Dumars, Isiah, Vinny Johnson, Rodman, Mahorn and Aguirre

DeeMain:

Big ups to MJ and the Bulls though for they worked hard to overcome the Pistons' hump and were a reallly good team.

MJ and Pippen so insulted and disrespected the Pistons in Press interviews when it became clear they were going to win and I'm sure it heavily influenced the walk out.

History has not been kind to Isiah.

There was never any love lost between the Bulls and Pistons but I don't understand how walking off the court improves anything.

Anyway it speaks to Isiah and how he is perceived by his peers that nobody stuck their neck out for him to be welcomed back into the team. Not even his coach. Assuming it was remotely true that MJ didn't want him there. You think if Malone, Bird and Magic insisted Isiah wouldn't make it in?

Re: The NBA Begins by steady986(m): 11:01pm On May 12
ESPN ranked Giannis above Patrick Ewing, Allen Iverson and Isiah Thomas, and ranked Kawhi above all these guys plus D Wade. It's still these same ESPN analysts that say MJ is the GOAT. That says it all.
Re: The NBA Begins by Roland17(m): 11:14pm On May 12
A40:
Last Dance really is an absolute epic. Sheds even more light on why MJ is the GOAT and a clearer understanding of his mentality and authenticity

Even the biggest TV and ESPN critics agree this is a wonderful piece. The excerpts below particularly the embolden summarize his greatness. He broke down in tears after this quote and my goodness did I hear a pin drop! He was unrepentant in the way he was mentally built! You can't beat that!

“Look I don’t have to do this [film]. I’m only doing it because it is who I am. That’s how I play the game. That was my mentality. If you don’t want to play that way, don’t play that way.”

#LastDance
Re: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 11:59pm On May 12
Roland17:


Even the biggest TV and ESPN critics agree this is a wonderful piece. The excerpts below particularly the embolden summarize his greatness. He broke down in tears after this quote and my goodness did I hear a pin drop! He was unrepentant in the way he was mentally built! You can't beat that!

“Look I don’t have to do this [film]. I’m only doing it because it is who I am. That’s how I play the game. That was my mentality. If you don’t want to play that way, don’t play that way.”

#LastDance
The horde of Jordan haters have been baying for blood since the Documentary came out. His style was not perfect and MJ has never claimed perfection but basketball was more than a game to him.

He knew he would take the blame if his team failed and he couldn't allow that. It's like you're running a company, there would always be guys who you need to push a little harder than most because the buck stops at your desk but if you succeed everyone eats.

Look at the Horace Grant for example, does he think if he wasn't a member of that first 3peat a team like Orlando would give him a $50m contract for 5 years? So many players we are only talking about today because they were teammates of MJ.

The modern league as we know it today went global because of him and how he played the game
Re: The NBA Begins by Roland17(m): 12:34am On May 13
A40:
The horde of Jordan haters have been baying for blood since the Documentary came out. His style was not perfect and MJ has never claimed perfection but basketball was more than a game to him.

He knew he would take the blame if his team failed and he couldn't allow that. It's like you're running a company, there would always be guys who you need to push a little harder than most because the buck stops at your desk but if you succeed everyone eats.

Look at the Horace Grant for example, does he think if he wasn't a member of that first 3peat a team like Orlando would give him a $50m contract for 5 years? So many players we are only talking about today because they were teammates of MJ.

The modern league as we know it today went global because of him and how he played the game

The embolden is the reason why I love and respect Kobe Bryant. Kobe was an integral link between MJ's era and the new era of basketball and that aspect of Kobe's role is grossly underrated. Speaking of MJ, he did not need any more motivation to win, he just found one and perseverated about it. Winning was a compulsive behavior and he pushed the limits to achieve it because he understood the consequences of losing. Losing to the Magic at the ECF after his return from baseball was all the motivation he needed to redominate the NBA!
Re: The NBA Begins by Eruditor: 1:42am On May 13
DeeMain:


Laimbeer was a bad influence. He had no soul. Isiah, as a respected and intelligent leader, should have rejected that walk out suggestion. He has now borne the painful brunt and consequences of that decison and will take it to his grave.

There is no way you can talk about the history of that era without mentioning Isiah but that walk out cost him a hand and a leg. Larry Bird, Magic Johnson and MJ are glorified and Isiah is only talked about as a footnote.

Very harsh.

You are definitely right but Isiah Thomas was that type of leader. He took the fall for his team which is why the players who played with him could give everything for him. See all the flak he caught for Dennis Rodman's comment against Larry Bird. As a Jordan fan (I disliked Isiah Thomas) till I saw the Bad Boy Pistons 30 for 30 in 2016 or so.

And like Kareem, Isiah won in every category. He needed that Olympics gold to have won everything possible. His strength was his weakness at the end of the day - his heart/mentality.

Bill Laimbeer was just an evil genius. Till this very date he is still unapologetic. Thing is, he grew up in money. I believe his dad was a former CEO or VP of Pepsi or one big company. Bill even said when he signed his NBA contract his dad looked condescendingly at the money he was offered like it was some chum change.

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Re: The NBA Begins by DeeMain(m): 10:32am On May 13
A40:

I think you're really hyper-extending yourself to not give credit where it's due. Using this same logic we can also say the Pistons were able to overthrow the Celtics solely because they got old.

This so-called career ending injury you claim ended Isiah's career did not stop him from averaging 38 minutes per game in that series. The following two years he averaged 18 and 7.5 assists and played 79 games so explain how he was no longer the same player?

He played for 13 seasons which is about above average for the lifespan of guards from the 80's era

If MJ had a better supporting cast who is to say he would not have beaten the Pistons much earlier. The Pistons were arguably the deepest team of all time with Dumars, Isiah, Vinny Johnson, Rodman, Mahorn and Aguirre

There was never any love lost between the Bulls and Pistons but I don't understand how walking off the court improves anything.

Anyway it speaks to Isiah and how he is perceived by his peers that nobody stuck their neck out for him to be welcomed back into the team. Not even his coach. Assuming it was remotely true that MJ didn't want him there. You think if Malone, Bird and Magic insisted Isiah wouldn't make it in?

So minutes played and influence on a game are now the same thing? Na wah o.

Prior to the injury Isiah could hijack a game and win it all by himself if he needed to like an MJ would. After the injury he could no longer do that. It affected his game in every way, ball handling, dribbling, shooting, resilience. In fact, opposing players would hack away at that wrist as they all now knew it was his Achilles heel. It speaks to his mental toughness that he was able to still impact a game at all and lead his team after that injury.

Everyone, including the Pistons Management knew the end had come when the injury would not heal.

Till this day that right wrist is still almost immobile.
Re: The NBA Begins by Nostradamus: 11:04am On May 13
birdman:


lol. that is too vague...everybody has a connection to a royal family somewhere
his big sister, Kristine oladipo,wrote on her ig bio that "great grandmother of the royal family of ikole ekiti"
Re: The NBA Begins by osayi90: 11:42am On May 13
Michael Jordan's greatness was achieved through relentlessness, insane competitiveness, and unique talent.
There is no doubt that he is the GOAT. No doubt. He is indeed defectively competitive. Basketball saved his life. The last dance showed me his intensity level, and with all honesty I was nervous. I wouldn't want to be his team mate if I can't match that level of intensity. I will prefer to be LeBron James team mate, at least his life doesn't depend on winning. Damn!!!.

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Re: The NBA Begins by chic2pimp(m): 12:41pm On May 13
steady986:
ESPN ranked Giannis above Patrick Ewing, Allen Iverson and Isiah Thomas, and ranked Kawhi above all these guys plus D Wade. It's still these same ESPN analysts that say MJ is the GOAT. That says it all.

ESPN's list like most others are highly subjective. Unless your own personal list directly matches that of ESPN's, you are likely to disagree with it.
Re: The NBA Begins by birdman(m): 1:51pm On May 13
steady986:
ESPN ranked Giannis above Patrick Ewing, Allen Iverson and Isiah Thomas, and ranked Kawhi above all these guys plus D Wade. It's still these same ESPN analysts that say MJ is the GOAT. That says it all.

Its a business decision. If you rank some 50 year old over a 25 year old, your advertising dollars will suffer. I wouldnt take these rankings too seriously

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Re: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 12:17am On May 14
DeeMain:


So minutes played and influence on a game are now the same thing? Na wah o.

Prior to the injury Isiah could hijack a game and win it all by himself if he needed to like an MJ would. After the injury he could no longer do that. It affected his game in every way, ball handling, dribbling, shooting, resilience. In fact, opposing players would hack away at that wrist as they all now knew it was his Achilles heel. It speaks to his mental toughness that he was able to still impact a game at all and lead his team after that injury.

Everyone, including the Pistons Management knew the end had come when the injury would not heal.

Till this day that right wrist is still almost immobile.
What do you mean by influence in the game? The Pistons were never a team that solely relied on one player. Isiah was their leader but they were always a team that relied on community.

The Pistons would have been swept whether Isiah had wrist issues or not. The next season Isiah was perfectly ok when they got beaten by the Knicks

A torn Achilles was what ended his career three years later not any wrist issues. Get your facts correct bro
Re: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 12:24am On May 14
Roland17:


The embolden is the reason why I love and respect Kobe Bryant. Kobe was an integral link between MJ's era and the new era of basketball and that aspect of Kobe's role is grossly underrated. Speaking of MJ, he did not need any more motivation to win, he just found one and perseverated about it. Winning was a compulsive behavior and he pushed the limits to achieve it because he understood the consequences of losing. Losing to the Magic at the ECF after his return from baseball was all the motivation he needed to redominate the NBA!
I think he would have dominated for even longer if he had a healthier lifestyle.

He really pushed his body to the limits and the fact that he had no posse and still had quite a few of what one might call vices is quite interesting. It's also remarkable that those vices never got in the way of his basketball.

MJ and Kobe were far and away the most influential people in modern basketball and were two of the biggest reasons the sport is what it is today
Re: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 12:27am On May 14
This ESPN list is mostly buttcheeks. They got MJ right but the rest is pretty rubbish.

Imagine putting Vince Carter, McGrady and Ray Allen ahead of Clyde Drexler. I don't know what world is Giannis #25 all time and why AD is that high as well. Some of the ratings are borderline bizzare. Drexler at 57? Lol GTFOH
Re: The NBA Begins by steady986(m): 7:16am On May 14
chic2pimp:


ESPN's list like most others are highly subjective. Unless your own personal list directly matches that of ESPN's, you are likely to disagree with it.

At least the majority of NBA fandom agree that Giannis above Iverson is sacrilege.
Re: The NBA Begins by steady986(m): 7:19am On May 14
Scottie Pippen was ranked above any player LeBron ever played with. Y'all hate to see it grin
Re: The NBA Begins by steady986(m): 7:23am On May 14
birdman:


Its a business decision. If you rank some 50 year old over a 25 year old, your advertising dollars will suffer. I wouldnt take these rankings too seriously
Bro, there are many 50 yearolds that were ranked above 25 yearolds. Check out the top 10, it's filled with guys from the 60s to 90s.

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