SailorXY: ^^ but someone just said play Cleverley all the time & he'll get better, so why must Fellaini stay far away from the team?
this is exactly the problem

coogar:

it's very simple....
moyes is just retardëd. it's now obvious fellaini is more suited to opponents that don't play football at 100mph.

fellaini should be the #1 on the team list in european games. let cleverley play in the EPL where his quick thinking & intelligent passes can help unlock the defence.

afrodoc: [/b]

Good point.
At least in European games while he is turning and arranging his feet he wont be assailed on all sides with tackles and stripped of the ball.
Just so that the nearly 30m pounds would not be wasted he can be used in some champs league matches but i suspect the final answer no lifeline left is that he is not just good enough at this level

SailorXY: But this is the same Fellaini that excelled against our midfield & made our team look like amateurs on more than one occassion, did same against Chelsea, City, Liverpool & Arsenal; how did he suddenly become a terrible player to even start drawing comparism with Cleverley? If argument can be held about giving Cleverley game time for optimum performance, I see no reason why same won't hold for Anderson or Fellaini or Nani or Zaha...
Does Cleverley have any kind of capacity to be a menace to the aforementioned teams even 3 times out of 10 on a stand out performance level?
Carrick & Fellaini cannot work for now for obvious reasons, but if Carrick is absent then by all means, Fellaini should be next up in his place.
...and yes, Cleverley cannot be any more than a squad player in all big teams in Europe, same goes for Young & Welbeck

SailorXY: But this is the same Fellaini that excelled against our midfield & made our team look like amateurs on more than one occassion, did same against Chelsea, City, Liverpool & Arsenal; how did he suddenly become a terrible player to even start drawing comparism with Cleverley? If argument can be held about giving Cleverley game time for optimum performance, I see no reason why same won't hold for [b]Anderson [/b]or Fellaini or [b]Nani [/b]or Zaha...
Does Cleverley have any kind of capacity to be a menace to the aforementioned teams even 3 times out of 10 on a stand out performance level?
Carrick & Fellaini cannot work for now for obvious reasons, but if Carrick is absent then by all means, Fellaini should be next up in his place.
...and yes, Cleverley cannot be any more than a squad player in all big teams in Europe, same goes for Young & Welbeck

elampiro:

Your love for players who are bench warmers knows no limits.

Anderson or Fellaini or Nani or Zaha. Tell me how we can be playing these guys when we are struggling. No coach will be taking such risk. Cleverley is okay, he has proven himself over Fellaini and Andrson. As time goes on, things can change. Zaha has to be patient. Nani is too individualistic and offers no coverage to the right of our defence. Watch Valencia, he starts many of our attacking move from the front of our box or our own half. But Nani wants the ball shot to him in the opponents half. He isolates himself so much. Nani should learn more of attacking build up.

In summary, Moyes doesn't have the luxury for team rotation.

RVP needs to treat and rest his toe but Moyes can't afford to allow it now.

elampiro:

Your love for players who are bench warmers knows no limits.

Anderson or Fellaini or Nani or Zaha. Tell me how we can be playing these guys when we are struggling. No coach will be taking such risk. Cleverley is okay, he has proven himself over Fellaini and Andrson. As time goes on, things can change. Zaha has to be patient. Nani is too individualistic and offers no coverage to the right of our defence. Watch Valencia, he starts many of our attacking move from the front of our box or our own half. But Nani wants the ball shot to him in the opponents half. He isolates himself so much. Nani should learn more of attacking build up.

In summary, Moyes doesn't have the luxury for team rotation.

RVP needs to treat and rest his toe but Moyes can't afford to allow it now.

montelik: Was I not insisting during the summer that we sign at minimum 2 central midfielders. If I thought Tom C had no need for improvement, I would have been with Coogar saying we only needed one addition. Tom C has plenty of room for improvement and I have never said otherwise. What I can't tolerate is does who insist on ignoring and downgrading the good things he brings to this team. The same people who were insisting we spend 27.5m on Fellaini or anybody and were immediately putting him/them in the starting line-up, because they were so sure that any warm body is better than Tom C. Yet they have now seen that Fellaini who looked so great at Everton, now looks ten times worse than the Tom C who they claim is more suited to playing for relegation threatened teams.

Stop scapegoating him for the failures in central midfield. Stop over exaggerating his weaknesses and ignoring his strengths.

chamotex:

Not every body understand the dynamics of football...if you don't dribble 5 people and score goals, you are not a footballer.
I'm sure the anti Cleverley guys enjoyed the second half performance today.
Apart from scoring goals, there's nothing more important than keeping possession in football.
I'm done with that argument, I can't keep explaining my self


Anyways, if we lose against Arsenal next week, it's pretty much over ...we might mount a comeback but not with this team and manager.

dademola: d problem is dt; dos things are simply not good enof for d midfield of a club as prestigous as man utd!! ts just like one praising welbeck for his excellent workrate and hustle!! ofcourse, in clubs like stoke and hull, such qualities wld be appreciated and maybe even celebrated, buh for crying out loud, THIS IS MANCHESTER UNITED!! however, considering d present state of our midfield, cleverly appears to be one of d best we have!! THIS.....IS D MOST DISTURBING PART

SailorXY:
Your emphasis is on form & I'm talking talent, and I don't see how a talented guy can get into the flow azz on the bench picking his nose. It doesn't matter what kind of form Cleverley shows, he is just not quality enough & will not be a world beater. All the talk of improvement with game time amount to nothing.
He may be in greater form, yet its just pass mark. Moyes can still end up buying Gundogan or Fabregas & put them on the bench for having 2-3 bad games when settling down. For me, it will be better if better talents are allowed to have stinkers 4,5,6 games & come up to speed, than mediocre players passing off averagely their entire lifetime
Just as Rooney got dropped for playing piss all season last term, it doesn't make Welbeck a better player

Oghos1: Seriously.

Any1 who couldn't see d importance of t.clev 2day shouldn't be watching football. Chai.

Derz no way any1 can xplain for u 2 understand. Dahzall.

coogar:

i don't believe he's not good enough...
evra/vidic had worse starts and there have been many others. fletcher didn't get it right for about 5 seasons. i think fellaini would still click. he's operating in a new role. at everton, he was behind the main striker, winning first & second balls & flicking it on to jelavic or anichebe. he needs time to gel and the european games should be his launchpad instead of condemning him permanently to the bench.

Oghos1:
Ur 1st point is d sad truth.
N were u rili rili xpecting us 2 win d league dis season?

I would lyk u to name players that are good enough that u think united should have bought.




have u ever watched gundogan for 5 consecutive games?
That's how u clamor for players without rili knowing them.

Screwface: Those clamouring for more minutes time for Felliani need not wait longer. Carrick is out injured, Cleverly also. Felliani will most definately start on Tuesday evening. He might partner Giggs in the middle of the pack there. Ando might get lucky, but it's something I have doubts upon.
Nani is almost assured of starting too. Other than De Gea and Vidic, I feel the whole squad be rotated for that tie. Lets keep giving these guys oppurtunities to prove their worth.

dademola: bros, a player with d "characteristics"(cant even use d word "qualities" )of cleverley, shudnt b a regular fixture in d starting 11 of any big club in d world!! Wld he be starting, if he were to be in chelsea or mancity? Wont he even struggle to make d bench at clubs like bayern, madrid and barca? D dude needs to up his game, period!! Like i sed earlier, d worrying aspect is dt, he appears to be our 2nd best midfielda!! Why?? Ts obviously because anderson is fat, fellaini appears useless in CMF, jones isnt exactly a midfielda, fletcher is ill, and giggs is.....!! Bar thiago n fellaini, i'd hav preferred any of d midfieldas we wer being linked with during d summer transfer window..

Ogos1: have u ever watched gundogan for 5 consecutive games?
That's how u clamor for players without rili knowing them.

elampiro:
David Moyes Rooney saw us safely through the second half. He INSTRUCTED Rooney to dropped deep and try to be a was the only sensible player [s]we had in ur midfield and foward in the 2nd half[/s].

SailorXY: But this is the same Fellaini that excelled against our midfield & made our team look like amateurs on more than one occassion, did same against Chelsea, City, Liverpool & Arsenal; how did he suddenly become a terrible player to even start drawing comparism with Cleverley? If argument can be held about giving Cleverley game time for optimum performance, I see no reason why same won't hold for Anderson or Fellaini or Nani or Zaha...
Does Cleverley have any kind of capacity to be a menace to the aforementioned teams even 3 times out of 10 on a stand out performance level?
Carrick & Fellaini cannot work for now for obvious reasons, but if Carrick is absent then by all means, Fellaini should be next up in his place.
...and yes, Cleverley cannot be any more than a squad player in all big teams in Europe, same goes for Young & Welbeck

coogar:

i couldn't have said this better....
tom cleverley's quiet & effective brand of football gets overlooked because he's selfless & doesn't need 3 legovers to make a simple pass.



that table is now congested - 2 more wins for us & we would be in the top 3. a win for either spurs/everton would take them 2nd. i am not bothered about the position - i am bothered by the point gap.....we have to beat arsenal next week.

Mr_TA: Well we wont beat Arsenal next week so you might as well forget about that.
Moyes is not someone who can win big matches away from home.
He's bound to get it tactically wrong V Arsenal and not use Fergie's template which he laid down to beat Arsenal.
Essential Moyes hasnt got a clue how to setup the team to play on the counter and that's the only way we'll beat Arsenal if everyone is on their game.

Small matter of the CL game against Sociedad away before that although Arsenal also have to face Dortmund in Germany so that should help us a little atleast.

elampiro:
Lastly, it seems you are beginning to admit that Moyes is a very good tactician.

StarBoard:
Except that Fletcher,Evra and Vidic combined didn't cost up to half Fellaini's fee.
Except that the side Evra and Vidic joined was a transitional side as compared to the league champions Fellaini joined.
Two reasons why he has no excuse/alibi/defence not to hit the ground running and make an instant impact.
Dude is mediocre. Simple as that.

RuuDie:

Dude. Are you mistaking me for STARBOARD!!?

I've been backing Moyes since he was named UTD manager. Perhaps you should take a while and read some of my previous posts!