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Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by alienkind: 6:45pm On Feb 20, 2012
See people dey turn bible upside down.If people will automatically
turn to robots in heaven then no need for hell.God will just turn everyone
to robots and we all go to heaven.
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by dare2think: 6:47pm On Feb 20, 2012
^^^^

lol
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Nobody: 6:48pm On Feb 20, 2012
My bro, people have been turning the 'Bible' upside down till it blends to their imaginations. Their interpretations give it meaning, then they set up 'churches' saying they've been 'called' , amass FOLLOWERS  and create their own rules 'doctrines', all religions are guilty of this.
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Nobody: 6:49pm On Feb 20, 2012
lmao, ROBOsouls,
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by buzugee(m): 6:49pm On Feb 20, 2012
alienkind:

Buzee,was satan and the angels in default mode when he sinned? grin grin grin
ahhh the lies of religion. satan was not an angel. satan is a component of the spirit in every human being. the human spirit has two facets. a godly and a satanic side. the facet of the human spirit that makes you sin is your satanic side. the satanic side of your spirit as well as the godly side all belong to God. ecclesiastes 12 vs 7. God owns your spirit hence  God owns satan. satan is the part of you that leads you astray but it is still under the command of God and while you have the freewill to indulge either your godly or satanic side, if you decide to indulge your satanic side to do evil, then God will harness that evil and use it for his own purpose PROVERBS 16 VS 4, AMOS 3 VS 6, LAMENTATIONS 3 VS 38, 1SAIAH 45 VS 6-7
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by drnoel: 6:50pm On Feb 20, 2012
I just saw the video, am surprised u guys a bothering urselves over what pastor Chris said or didn't say while we still have not settled the issues of Boko Haram. Look u guys, Sudan broke up their country last year cos the North was drawing the south back. That's what we should be thinking about. Pastor Chris can say anything he wants, at the end the truth remains the truth and people are allowed to bend or interpret the truth based on how they understand
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Jomik: 6:54pm On Feb 20, 2012
This is what the bible says in GALATIANS 5: 19-21

19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, UNCLEANNESS, lasciviousness,

20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of  which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by buzugee(m): 6:54pm On Feb 20, 2012
musKeeto:

LMAO,  beautiful question,
Your mind is a dictatorship and unilateral and becomes holy,  does that happen to everyone or only those who believe in Jesus?


Only those who make it to heaven. heaven is not in the skies. heaven is on earth (ecclesiastes 1 vs 4). heaven is rulership of the earth. right now we are in gentile heaven. heathen heaven. while the israelites are in hell. the world was handed over to the gentiles because of the fall of israel (romans 11 vs 11). thats why the world is full of evil and we are all in sorrow (proverbs 29 vs 2)
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Nobody: 6:55pm On Feb 20, 2012
This mAn is a prophect of Doom
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by funshint(m): 6:59pm On Feb 20, 2012
Really I've realised dat people's general perception and view to spiritual matters is shallow & misleading. So as much as he's nt my Pastor I'll never condemn dis man because d world is always impatient in quoting and condemning pple out of context. If Jesus was an ordinary man like us, d woman who committed adultery would hv bin stoned to death wc shows we humans are naturally wicked! HYPOCRITES!
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by buzugee(m): 7:02pm On Feb 20, 2012
alienkind:

See people dey turn bible upside down.If people will automatically
turn to robots in heaven then no need for hell.God will just turn everyone
to robots and we all go to heaven.
there is no such thing as hell. what people mistake for hell is the thermonuclear fire that will engulf the daughter of babylon (america) when christ returns. america will erupt into a lake of fire smoldering with sulphur. and everyone in it who is not off the lord will be destroyed. see the earth renews itself into heaven. first it was destroyed by flood, but now babylon will be destroyed by fire. then earth will be renewed into heeaven. the end of the white rulership on earth is the beginning of the holy rulership by the lost tribes of israel 2 esdras 6 vs 9
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Nobody: 7:03pm On Feb 20, 2012
pastor chris is indirectly telling you guys he mas.tur.b.ates so you followers should do too tongue
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by 29Ade07: 7:08pm On Feb 20, 2012
Quoting the words of the very Pastor Chris himself "IT HAS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD IT IS JUST ABOUT YOU AND YOUR OWN BODY. SATAN USES THIS OPPRESSING THEIR MINDS AND MAKES THEM INEFFICIENT IN THE THINGS OF GOD. GOD IS NOT OFFENDED BY IT HE IS ONLY OFFENDED BY ANY HABIT THAT TAKES HOLD OF YOUR MIND."

Wow Satan himself could have done better with this analogy of Pastor Chris to which he gave no biblical passage to back it up. If his logic is true I might as well conclude that adultery, fornication, homosexuality, dominatrix, bondage and submission,pornography ,masochism and sadomasochism are not sinful as long as they do not control my mind as my body is my property and God has nothing to do with it. See false doctrine by the fore-runner of antichrist.

But Pastor didn`t I cor 6:19-20 says 19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.


When we come to Christ and become born-again our body becomes the temple of the Holy-Spirit and not just our spirit. Can Pastor Chris tell me that the HOLY GHOST which is the Spirit of the ALMIGHTY GOD Himself will remain in  a body given to masturbation. Haba Pastor.

This preachers are what 1 Peter 2: 1 and 18 - 19 describes thus 1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 18-1918For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

19While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.


Let this not surprise people in that a Pastor cannot preach against and help counsel you against a sinful habit that he himself might be guilty of. Mathhew 1 :21 says And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.> when God saves you He delivers you from sin to live A BRAND NEW LIFE.

I can by the grace of God declare before Heaven and Hell that by God grace I do not do such but not by my own power but by the grace of God that works in me. What God has done in me He can do for anybody bound by addiction to any form of sin if only you will let Him. He was manifested to take away our sin.

Lastly Revelation21:27 says And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life..
May God help us to number our days and promptly apply our heart to wisdom.
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by alienkind: 7:09pm On Feb 20, 2012
So una know satan pass Jesus.Which church all these people dey go self?
Luke 10:18 Jesus said to them, "I watched Satan fall from heaven like lightning
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Nobody: 7:10pm On Feb 20, 2012
buzugee:

Only those who make it to heaven. heaven is not in the skies. heaven is on earth (ecclesiastes 1 vs 4). heaven is rulership of the earth. right now we are in gentile heaven. heathen heaven. while the israelites are in hell. the world was handed over to the gentiles because of the fall of israel (romans 11 vs 11). thats why the world is full of evil and we are all in sorrow (proverbs 29 vs 2)
Seriously seek mental help.
At what point in the history of humans has there been total peace and no evil? Keep believing in delusions, all of you are same, just believe in different forms of the same delusion
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by buzugee(m): 7:14pm On Feb 20, 2012
in case yall wondering who the lost children of israel are ? THATS US. SHEMETIC BLACK PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD AND THOSE WHO WE HAVE MIXED WITH FROM THE FATHERS SIDE. THE FATHER,S SEED IS WHAT DETERMINES HERITAGE. SO A LOT OF THE HISPANICS ARE A MIXTURE OF AFRICAN SLAVES AND TAINO INDIANS SO THEY ARE ISRAELITES TOO, ALSO BRAZILLIANS, HAITIANS, AND ANYONE WHO IS A DESCENDANT OF THE SHEMETIC BLACK MAN. WE ARE GETTING READY TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD IN RIGHTEOUSNESS DANIELS 7 VS 18 AND POSESS THE WORLD FOREVER AND EVER. we will be in heaven while the heathens who make it into heaven will be repaid for what they did to us and will be our slaves in heaven. isaiah 14 vs 2, revelation 13 vs 10, obadiah 1 vs 18. but this message of good tidings only applies to those of us who make it through by following the lords laws statutes and commandments and have faith. the rest will be destroyed along with the heathens.
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by kizito96(m): 7:14pm On Feb 20, 2012
We have to be careful when it it comes to Religion. Everybody has his won interpretation of the Bible as it suits him
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by obowunmi(m): 7:14pm On Feb 20, 2012
diluminati:

pastor chris is indirectly telling you guys he mas.tur.b.ates so you followers should do too  tongue

The larger question NOW is [b]what does he watch to self-service? [/b]Does he indulge in pornography to self-service or how does he want people to self-service ? with the image of other people's wives in their minds or the image of two fluffy bre.asts/titt.ties or nice yansh or buttucks.

I don't like this ministry since he indirectly promotes fornication. I know many young people that go to church and are involved in extreme sexual behaviours with one another ---- the youth ministry more importantly and I am sure he condones the act.

Like leader, like follower.
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by buzugee(m): 7:18pm On Feb 20, 2012
musKeeto:

Seriously seek mental help.
At what point in the history of humans has there been total peace and no evil? Keep believing in delusions,  all of you are same, just believe in different forms of the same delusion
there has never been total peace but there was relative peace when the israelites ruled the world. 2 esdras 5 verse 23-30 (APOCRYPHA)

2 ESDRAS 3 VS 30-35 (APOCRYPHA)
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by emisun(m): 7:19pm On Feb 20, 2012
watching them religious fellows squashing it out among themselves.a gud sight for an atheist like me, keep on religious bigots
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by funshint(m): 7:19pm On Feb 20, 2012
buzugee:

there is no such thing as hell. what people mistake for hell is the thermonuclear fire that will engulf the daughter of babylon (america) when christ returns. america will erupt into a lake of fire smoldering with sulphur. and everyone in it who is not off the lord will be destroyed. see the earth renews itself into heaven. first it was destroyed by flood, but now babylon will be destroyed by fire. then earth will be renewed into heeaven. the end of the white rulership on earth is the beginning of the holy rulership by the lost tribes of israel 2 esdras 6 vs 9
I wonder where u got 'ur own celestial interpretation of d bible. If God is to destroy any country in d world let me tell u Nigeria will be d no1. Do u no hw many gallons of innocent blood dat has bin shed in dis country due to witchcraftry, money ritual, ethno-religio crises, cultism, political crises, corruption etc. and dis souls are daily crying 2 God against dis country! Do u know there are so many true beleivers in d U.S than in Nigeria? What we hv in Nigeria are millions of self professed believers who don't even know whether it is God they're serving or their Pastor. Selfish people who go to church only 2 seek 4 blessings while their house maids sleep in d kitchen. Great nation, Bad people. Mtchewww!
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by tlops(m): 7:20pm On Feb 20, 2012
I think it is a deed of the flesh! I also think its a sin but there are things in the bible that were not answered explicitly, so 'MOG' can conclude based on their on understanding.

whenever our hearts condemn us. For God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God.

If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that. 1John5:16
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by buzugee(m): 7:22pm On Feb 20, 2012
funshint:

I wonder where u got 'ur own celestial interpretation of d bible. If God is to destroy any country in d world let me tell u Nigeria will be d no1. Do u no hw many gallons of innocent blood dat has bin shed in dis country due to witchcraftry, money ritual, ethno-religio crises, cultism, political crises, corruption etc. and dis souls are daily crying 2 God against dis country! Do u know there are so many true beleivers in d U.S than in Nigeria? What we hv in Nigeria are millions of self professed believers who don't even know whether it is God they're serving or their Pastor. Selfish people who go to church only 2 seek 4 blessings while their house maids sleep in d kitchen. Great nation, Bad people. Mtchewww!
Nigeria is currently under the deuteronomy 28 curses. you are already in hell in nigeria.
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 7:22pm On Feb 20, 2012
Pastor Chris said, “It is an unclean habit but it is not a sin against God. It’s got nothing to do with God, it all you and your own body”

First, HE IS WRONG BY THAT STATEMENT and that makes his statement false. Hence, makes him a false teacher.

When a person comes to Christ, such person denies “self”, take up his “cross” and follow Christ and the ways of Christ.

Matthew 16:24
Then Jesus said to his disciples, "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. (NIV). Then Jesus said to his disciples, "If any of you wants to be my follower, you must turn from your selfish ways, take up your cross, and follow me.(NLT)

Apostle Paul clearly confirms this to be true of believers and followers of Christ.

Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ. 1 cor. 11:1(NIV)

Hence, Apostle Paul said this to be true when we come to Christ as followers of Christ.

Galatians 2:20
I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. (NIV). My old self has been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me. So I live in this earthly body by trusting in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.(NLT)

1 cor.6:19-20
Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body. (NIV). Don't you realize that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God? You do not belong to yourself, for God bought you with a high price. So you must honor God with your body. (NLT)

Masturb.ation is the self-stimulation to the point of sexual release without the gifting of a spouse.  It is not the sexual design of God for couples but it self-abuse or self-serviced through the mis-used sexual organ of our body which is the temple of God as a believer or follower of Christ. Masturba.tion is a selfish act whereby we take advantage of and abuse God's gift, our sex organ in this case. God cares about what we do with our bodies, in public or in private, and He doesn't want us to abuse ourselves in any way.

Mastur.bation involves sexual fantasies in the thought or mind of a person which makes it not pure and hence becomes a sin. The Bible clearly teaches that our minds are as important to God as our bodies are and that we are to remain pure in both. When mastur.bating, you are defile the mind with obscene thoughts and then defile your body by using it to act out those thoughts. To "defile" means "to make unclean, to make impure."

Every sin and sexual immorality (masturbat.ion inclusive) begins with a thought or lust as established by the bible:


"But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. T[b]hen when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin,when it is finished, bringeth forth death[/b]."James 1:14-15 (KJV)

Matthew 15:19-20a reads, "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications , these are the things which defile a man."

"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28).

1 Corinthians 6:18 (NIV)
"Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body." Also bear in mind we established our body is the temple of God after we come to Christ.

The above verse clearly confirms that immoral and unlawful sexual relations defiles our own bodies which happens to be the temple of God.

Having established the above that our body is the temple of the Lord and which does not belongs to us when we come to Christ, we are to honour God with it. We do not own the live we live in our body anymore. Also we establised the precess of sin, beginning with a thought as masturba.tion involves illicit thoughts with mis-use of the organs hence making a man impure or defiles a man. It is therefore established as a sin.

"In the same way count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to him as instruments of righteousness. For sin shall not be your master for you are not under law but under grace" (Romans 6:11-14).

1Thess 4:2-8 (NIV) For you know what instructions we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus. It is God's will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God, For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life. Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit.

"Since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God" (2 Corinthians 7:1).
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by obowunmi(m): 7:23pm On Feb 20, 2012
obowunmi:

The larger question NOW is [b]what does he watch to self-service? [/b]Does he indulge in po. RN. O.graph.y to self-service or how does he want people to self-service ? with the image of other people's wives in their minds or the image of two fluffy bre.asts/titt.ties or nice yansh or buttucks.

I don't like this ministry since he indirectly promotes fornication. I know many young people that go to church and are involved in extreme intimate behaviours with one another ---- the youth ministry more importantly and I am sure he condones the act.

Like leader, like follower.
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Demainman1: 7:30pm On Feb 20, 2012
@All, When is their next crusade? I go go there to sell my specially formulated soap for self serving for any members wey dey into the act including their pastor. Afterall no be sin to self service.
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by obowunmi(m): 7:35pm On Feb 20, 2012
their conferences are se.x hostels,
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by modavi: 7:41pm On Feb 20, 2012
just passing but still peeping,
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by TheBuilder: 7:49pm On Feb 20, 2012
Regardless of how right the pastor may seem, I believe there are things pastors and other religious leaders must not say out. Not necessarily because they want to hide the truth but for possibility of being misinterpreted.

I was once on prison evangelism many years ago (precisely 1989). During the worship service, the prison inmates were allowed to narrate the story of what led them to the prison. Then this inmate took microphone to speak. He was on life imprisonment. This was what happened. He just gave his life to Christ and was avoid anything labeled sin or forbidden,

I have to attend a meeting now. To continue later,
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by blackboi(m): 7:55pm On Feb 20, 2012
Pastor Chris knw too well that masturbation is a fowl sin before God. Haven't watched the video yet, buh i believe the pastor is been quoted out of context undecided
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by monex(m): 8:03pm On Feb 20, 2012
if he had said a Sin against your Body (the temple of God meanwhile), it would have been more palatable. but to say it is a bad habit, is not acceptable. a bad habit is picking your nostrils or biting your finger nails not wanking.

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