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Poll: Is self-service a sin?

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Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by mrmayor(m): 8:04pm On Feb 20, 2012
[size=13pt]I'm with Pastor Chris & Joagbaje on this one.

Seriously apart from Paying Tithes and almost Cult-like Adoration of Pastor Chris, I just love Christ Embassy. Kai I still remember the Love Hug I got the first day I was in that Church, their babes are the finest, ejibi jibgi jigbi. As for me, when I Lux myself wink I just think of picture of OBJ , nothing indecent  in that wink grin[/size]
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by dasparrow: 8:04pm On Feb 20, 2012
funshint:

I wonder where u got 'ur own celestial interpretation of d bible. If God is to destroy any country in d world let me tell u Nigeria will be d no1. Do u no hw many gallons of innocent blood dat has bin shed in dis country due to witchcraftry, money ritual, ethno-religio crises, cultism, political crises, corruption etc. and dis souls are daily crying 2 God against dis country! Do u know there are so many true beleivers in d U.S than in Nigeria? What we hv in Nigeria are millions of self professed believers who don't even know whether it is God they're serving or their Pastor. Selfish people who go to church only 2 seek 4 blessings while their house maids sleep in d kitchen. Great nation, Bad people. Mtchewww!

God Bless you! You have spoken well.

blackboi:

Pastor Chris knw too well that self-service is a fowl sin before God. Haven't watched the video yet, buh i believe the pastor is been quoted out of context   undecided

He clearly said self service is not a sin. I suggest you watch the video before making any assumption.

@Post
self servicing is a sin against one's own body which is the temple of the Lord. Also, it is impossible to self service without thinking dirty thoughts. Keep in mind that we sin in thoughts, words and actions. Some men have been known to self service so much that they no longer found their spouses attractive and hence neglected their spousal duties. So self service affects not just you but your loved ones as well and shows that you are under the influence of the demon of lust. Repent for the kingdom of God is near!
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Pukkah: 8:04pm On Feb 20, 2012
These Nigerian so-called men of God won't stop to court controversy.
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Outstrip(f): 8:23pm On Feb 20, 2012
So many pages. Masturbation is not a sin. I read the first few pages and no one could come up with a scripture that supports their belief that masturbation is a sin. I might start paying attention to this man more because I know he is not afraid to tell the truth even if he knows that people with their opinions of what is right or wrong might boycott him.
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by FXKing2012(m): 8:24pm On Feb 20, 2012
diluminati:

pastor chris is indirectly telling you guys he mas.tur.b.ates so you followers should do too  tongue

Stop talking trash about men of God, u have no idea what u bring upon yourself by such rash statements.
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by abdul01(m): 8:25pm On Feb 20, 2012
I thank God for making me a muslim. In Islam any body cannot just wake up and say or do anything he likes except he provides an authentic proof for it from the Quran and sunnah (i.e sayings, practices and approvals of the Prophet - peace be upon him) as understood by d early muslims. Well to know more about d islamic ruling on masturbation, just goto www.islamqa.com and type 'masturbation' in d search bar.
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Mpetempe(m): 8:28pm On Feb 20, 2012
Hmmm Thats A Shamefull Act, I Wonder How A Straight Thinking Animal Can Support This.

Masturba, tion Is Even Njo Ogbugbu. It Can Destroy The Sack.
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Seunbuddy(m): 8:32pm On Feb 20, 2012
People's bias towards Pastor Chris is affecting their judgement. As much as I do not agree totally with him, I still understand the point he was trying to make. However, this was a confusing attempt to answer the question, moreso because it was on tv. He kept stressing 'as  long as it does not have a hold on your mind' but i wonder if Pastor Chris knows what goes on  in the mind of d person masturbating. Come on, you are not gonna be watching a sermon and wanking or thinking about your homework and wanking. I was shocked he didnt even 'ask' the guy what makes him to masturbate. I believe that pornography and nudity is what makes 99.9% of human beings to masturbate. So sad he never mentioned that (the 'koko' - crux of the matter)

One more thing most of us need to know is never to speak bad of any man of God. Only God knows those who serve him genuinely. Take it easy people.
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by IykeD(m): 8:35pm On Feb 20, 2012
A man of God said this Aha! end times! So cos it's our body, it's not a sin? Is it not the same Bible he preaches with that says our bodies are the temple of God.
Now I see the next thing in vogue in CE being masturbation, as he led the guys into "frying" their hairs.
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by mrmayor(m): 8:37pm On Feb 20, 2012
abdul01:

[size=13pt]I thank God for making me  a muslim.[/size] In Islam any body cannot just wake up and say or do anything he likes except he provides an authentic proof for it from the Quran and sunnah (i.e sayings, practices and approvals of the Prophet - peace be upon him) as understood by d early muslims. Well to know more about d islamic ruling on self-service, just goto www.islamqa.com and type 'self-service' in d search bar.

[size=15pt]I totally agree, your Prophet Mohhamed was a proven Paedophile. Like Paedophile Prophet Mohamad like Paedophile Ex-Gov Zamfara State now Senator. [/size] Can't remember his stuppid name
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by ehie007(m): 8:38pm On Feb 20, 2012
I listened to it again and i fink he is coming from a good perspective, now i ask what about adults who still suck their thumb? is it a sin?

like the pastor says, if its starts affecting ur mind in the negative way, then it displeases God; but i doubt if any1 who masturbates doesnt have a corrupt mind, so it will be very difficult to rule sin against masturbation.
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by ifedun2: 8:42pm On Feb 20, 2012
What do u xpect from a hair-frying,wife in another clime man of God?Dis is another sign of d endtimes.Baba God has said it,dat on judgement day,many so called big names in d religions,He wil deny big time.But sha,i no judge o,because bible say make we no judge.Just watch wher u go to av hands laid on ur heads!
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by FXKing2012(m): 8:43pm On Feb 20, 2012
abdul01:

[b]I thank God for making me  a muslim. [/b]In Islam any body cannot just wake up and say or do anything he likes except he provides an authentic proof for it from the Quran and sunnah (i.e sayings, practices and approvals of the Prophet - peace be upon him) as understood by d early muslims. Well to know more about d islamic ruling on self-service, just goto www.islamqa.com and type 'self-service' in d search bar.

Pls dont even go there otherwise you'll make me dissect and expose that your religion, so pls dont even push me cos I'm loaded wt so much arsenal. Rubbish!
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 8:47pm On Feb 20, 2012
Outstrip:

So many pages. self-service is not a sin. I read the first few pages and no one could come up with a scripture that supports their belief that self-service is a sin. I might start paying attention to this man more because I know he is not afraid to tell the truth even if he knows that people with their opinions of what is right or wrong might boycott him.

I gave the biblical point of view how it is a sin. I guess you didn't read my article towards the end of page 7 on this same topic. I also quoted what pastor Chris himself said that it is your body and its got nothing to do with God. Read my article in page 7 above and maybe you can tell us how masturba.tion happens without the process i explained. You can believe any pastor if that is what you choose to but I have decided to believe the living word of God.
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by fennels007(m): 8:52pm On Feb 20, 2012
very soon im go allow g'ay marriage 4 im congretion wit theological defense. But God 4bid
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 8:54pm On Feb 20, 2012
@ FXKing2012,

Can you read from page 7 towards the end of the page while masturba.tion is a sin? I hope you get it straight brother. I do not judge you but your statement supporting masturba.tion not a sin is false.
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Acidosis(m): 8:56pm On Feb 20, 2012
This is wrong sir!!!
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by werepeLeri: 9:05pm On Feb 20, 2012
Una still dey here dey argue? How many of una don enter toilet ma.stuba.te since this thread start? Hypo hypo hypopotamuses.

If you have never done it before - arise and throw stones at those who have.
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Yeske2(m): 9:09pm On Feb 20, 2012
Blasphemy!
A sin if it takes the whole of your mind? Damn!  Most annoying part is using the Bible to defend his theory. He'd hear from my lawyers.
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by FXKing2012(m): 9:11pm On Feb 20, 2012
goshen360:

Pastor Chris said, “It is an unclean habit but it is not a sin against God. It’s got nothing to do with God, it all you and your own body”
First, HE IS WRONG BY THAT STATEMENT and that makes his statement false. Hence, makes him a false teacher.
goshen360:

@ FXKing2012,

Can you read from page 7 towards the end of the page while masturba.tion is a sin? I hope you get it straight brother. I do not judge you but your statement supporting masturba.tion not a sin is false.

Let me clarify this thing once and for all.

There are two types of mastur-bation and they are:
1) Mastur-bation where your mind is filled with immoral thoughts and such thoughts help you achieve erec-tion and ejacu-lation;
2) Mastur-bation where your mind is not involved, the erect-tion and ejacu-lation is achieved only the the feel of the cream on your skin.

Now the 1st type is the sinful type cos you defile your mind while having those erotic thoughts, but the 2nd type has nothing to do with erotic thoughts, it's just as a response to a certain kind of stimuli your body feels at the time.
And it is the 2nd type of Mastur-bation I was referring to when I said mastur-bation is not a sin cos u harm no one, u dont harm yourself and you dont defile your mind in the process.
I'm sure it's the 2nd type of mastur-bation Pastor Chris was also referring to.

If anybody thinks it's not possible to achieve erec-tion and ejacu-lation without the mind being involved then I urge you to read the link below where a woman had sex with a dead man and got pregnant for the dead man.
She works in a mortuary and she fumbled with the dead man's thing while washing him till the man's things became hard and she used it to get herself pregnant. This means it is possible to achieve erec-tion and ejacu-lation without defiling your mind.

The link is: http://africanspotlight.com/2012/01/dead-man-in-mortuary-impregnates-woman/

So let's quit condemning the MOG and concentrate on more important things such as salvation of souls.
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by yoji: 9:12pm On Feb 20, 2012
This is sad! When pple use d bible as a tool of convinience. U can imagine teenagers and kids who'l hear this message and go into sexual overload. These same pple celebrate xtian festivals that d bible never comanded to b celebrated, ignore biblical references then only to run to d bible when mastubation issue props up. This is truely sad
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 9:12pm On Feb 20, 2012
werepeLeri:

Una still dey here dey argue? How many of una don enter toilet ma.stuba.te since this thread start? Hypo hypo hypopotamuses.

If you have never done it before - arise and throw stones at those who have.

That is not the issue my brother. It is one thing to commit sin and admit it is a sin and it is another thing to sin but cover it under bible verses. I have masturb.ated in the past so I can explain it to you. How do you get delivered from a sinful habit when you don't admit it is wrong and sinful. I have shown from the bible masturbatio.n is a sin with bible verses. Let those that says it is not a sin also show us with bible verses that it is not a sin.
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Nobody: 9:16pm On Feb 20, 2012
Yipeeeeeeeeeeeee so let's masssturbateeee. . Pastor are we allowed to switch hands? ? ? ? I need his wife's naked to do it. . Not a sin altogether
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Nobody: 9:17pm On Feb 20, 2012
All dose of u dat are talkin nonsense, it is clearly stated in d bible, read Mat 5:28, Jesus christ said
"but i say unto you, that whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath commited adultery with her already in his heart"
u cant tel me dat u wil masturbate without havin som1 in mind.
And pls 2ndTimothy 2:16 says
"but shun profane and vain babblings(arguments): for they will increase unto more ungodliness."
so pple wen u tel dem d truth, dnt argue wit them
tank God som of us are nt dull-headed zombies who wil 4low jst anytin because we wnt 2 justify our sins.
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by werepeLeri: 9:21pm On Feb 20, 2012
goshen360:

That is not the issue my brother. It is one thing to commit sin and admit it is a sin and it is another thing to sin but cover it under bible verses. I have masturb.ated in the past so I can explain it to you. How do you get delivered from a sinful habit when you don't admit it is wrong and sinful. I have shown from the bible masturbatio.n is a sin with bible verses. Let those that says it is not a sin also show us with bible verses that it is not a sin.

and why do you think everyone should agree with your argument? Na you write the bible or are you God who determines what is sinful or not? Abeg.
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Knight1(m): 9:21pm On Feb 20, 2012
FXKing2012:

Let me clarify this thing once and for all.

There are two types of mastur-bation and they are:
1) Mastur-bation where your mind is filled with immoral thoughts and such thoughts help you achieve erec-tion and ejacu-lation;
2) Mastur-bation where your mind is not involved, the erect-tion and ejacu-lation is achieved only the the feel of the cream on your skin.

Now the 1st type is the sinful type cos you defile your mind while having those Intimate thoughts, but the 2nd type has nothing to do with Intimate thoughts, it's just as a response to a certain kind of stimuli your body feels at the time.
And it is the 2nd type of Mastur-bation I was referring to when I said mastur-bation is not a sin cos u harm no one, u dont harm yourself and you dont defile your mind in the process.
I'm sure it's the 2nd type of mastur-bation Pastor Chris was also referring to.

If anybody thinks it's not possible to achieve erec-tion and ejacu-lation without the mind being involved then I urge you to read the link below where a woman Were Intimate with a dead man and got pregnant for the dead man.
She works in a mortuary and she fumbled with the dead man's thing while washing him till the man's things became hard and she used it to get herself pregnant. This means it is possible to achieve erec-tion and ejacu-lation without defiling your mind.

The link is: http://africanspotlight.com/2012/01/dead-man-in-mortuary-impregnates-woman/

So let's quit condemning the MOG and concentrate on more important things such as salvation of souls.

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YOU REALLY SHOULD HAVE JUST SHUT UP INSTEAD OF SPEWING THIS DISGUSTING RUBBISH.
ON ONE HAND YOU SAY IT IS NOT A SIN, ON ANOTHER YOU SAY THERE IS A TYPE THAT IS A SIN.  angry angry
DID PASTOR CHRIS SAY ANYTHING ABOUT TYPES IN THAT VIDEO?? angry angry angry angry angry angry
DID THE DEAD MAN YOU CITED INDUCE WHAT HAPPENED? angry angry angry angry angry angry angry angry
INFACT, JUST SHUT UP AND GO AND READ YOURA GOOD BIBLE!!! angry angry angry angry angry angry angry angry angry angry
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by spothot: 9:22pm On Feb 20, 2012
After viewing the video, these are my conclusions: (1) From his body language,  Pastor Chris has personally battled with it before overcoming the habit  (2) only God knows if it's a sin
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Starlett: 9:23pm On Feb 20, 2012
Straight to the point: The key error that Pastor Chris has made here is in forgetting that none of these sins is merely physical. Nothing se. xual is merely physical. Ejaculation involves intense mental activity. In fact, experts will always tell you that the most powerful s. ex organ is the HUMAN BRAIN.

Which, simply put, is the mind. Nobody can engage in self-service outside of his mind. So he should better keep quiet rather than lead people astray with this ill-advised commentary.
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 9:27pm On Feb 20, 2012
FXKing2012:

Let me clarify this thing once and for all.
There are two types of mastur-bation and they are:
1) Mastur-bation where your mind is filled with immoral thoughts and such thoughts help you achieve erec-tion and ejacu-lation;
2) Mastur-bation where your mind is not involved, the erect-tion and ejacu-lation is achieved only the the feel of the cream on your skin.

This is the first time i ever hear such thing in my whole life. What dictionary gave this 2 kinds masturba.tion. My dear brother, honestly i respect you more than this you are saying. Sincerely. Masturba.tion is mAsturba.tion.

FXKing2012:

[color=#000099]Let me clarify this thing once and for all.
If anybody thinks it's not possible to achieve erec-tion and ejacu-lation without the mind being involved then I urge you to read the link below where a woman Were Intimate with a dead man and got pregnant for the dead man.
She works in a mortuary and she fumbled with the dead man's thing while washing him till the man's things became hard and she used it to get herself pregnant. This means it is possible to achieve erec-tion and ejacu-lation without defiling your mind. The link is: http://africanspotlight.com/2012/01/dead-man-in-mortuary-impregnates-woman/

Can you listen to yourself? A woman having fun a dead man and you want us to take that as biblical ground or reason to support masturba.tion? You want us to take examples of any kind from the world to perfect our walk with God? I think am beginning to loose my trust in you. Am sorry.

FXKing2012:

[color=#000099]Let me clarify this thing once and for all.
So let's quit condemning the MOG and concentrate on more important things such as salvation of souls.

But it doesn't bother you the little leaven that will spread through the whole lump from the pastor? So it doesn't bother that Christ died for these souls that are languishing in sin and they are being told masturba.tion is not a sin. So condemning the statement of a MOG bothers you more? Well, that is unlike Christ my brother.
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 9:33pm On Feb 20, 2012
werepeLeri:

and why do you think everyone should agree with your argument? Na you write the bible or are you God who determines what is sinful or not? Abeg.

On the contrary, it is not an argument. So you want everybody to also agree/believe you and your mOG statement that masturba.tion is not sin? You and your mOG said it is not a sin without proving it from the biblical explanations and I have simply proved it is a sin. You can as well do us good to explain to us how and why it is not a sin,ok. I didn't write the bible but the bible, the word of the living God determines what is sin or not.
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by EHITZ(m): 9:36pm On Feb 20, 2012
My take is dat, for he who is clean, let him be the first to cast the stone! If u dnt self service, u fornicate, if u dnt self service, u steal and convert other people's goods, u lie, u look lustfully, then where is the rightiousness we are trying to proove? Hypoccrites!
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by lyfes: 9:40pm On Feb 20, 2012
Just like in d days of Jesus, as those who crucified Him were nt unbelievers bt d sadduces nd pharises who were 'so called' religious men of their days, 90% of posters re christians nd all thier posts re cursing nd insulting d Pastor y nt look 4 an opportunity to win souls rather than always looking out to castigate other christians to make urself feel good, dat has been d problem of christianity other 'christians'. The statement made by d Pastor is clear, your body is given to u as a caretaker wat u allow is up to u jst like d bible says 'by His strips we are healed' a statement of fact, does dat mean dat a christian who falls sick is a sinner? No cos d body is urs to decide wat to allow jst as there re those who dn't fall sick nd hv learn't to live by d word. It dosen't make u any less a christian nt doin it only makes u a master over such tins. 1 of my favourite scriptures in eph ', 4 d perfecting of d church 4 d wrk of d mins till we all come 2 d unity of d faith' nd dats were we as christians are heading 2wards were we tink nd tlk alike dats God's plan.

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